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"Did I miss anything?"

Yes Tyciol, you missed the following:

A non-corporeal entity that has a completely independent existance from that of the person witnessing them.

If you want to take it to the ultimate degree, yes we are all one, yes we are all part of the same universal energy/entity, and therefore any spirit entity we encounter is simply another 'part' of our 'whole'.

In our current evolutionary existance though, we are spirit beings manifest in the physical realm in order to experience, among other things, individuality. As part of this experience of individuality, we will meet other beings who are also experiencing individuality. These other beings may be flesh and blood, they may be spirit.

Before our souls ventured back into the physical world, we make many descisions about the kind of physical lives we will live. This can include such things as what gender, what race, what socio-economic conditions, what karmic conditions, etc, we will experience. This can also include the descision as to whether or not we will have other 'friends' or like minded spirits that have shared many lifetimes with us, remain in spirit to serve as guides.

I have one such guide. He is my 'guardian'. He is a long time old friend and companion that I have shared many lifetimes with. I am also 100% sure that he exists as a seperate entity from me. Why? Well, so far at least three other people, people who do not know each other, in completely isolated incidents have seen this particular guide around me.

I have many other experiences of witnessing other spirits that many other people have seen at different times, and even different parts of the world.

Robert Bruce is without a doubt one of the more skilled astral travellers around, but just because he has not recieved guidance from other spirits does not make them any less real, or a 'wrong' belief.

As you very nicely pointed out Dusty, he has experienced angels on many occasions, but does not feel the need to call on their assistance. His own personal journey up to this point in time has not required the assistance or guidance of other spirits. He has found that his greatest source of guidance has been his higher self.

Here he sets a good example, as we do have all the answers we need within us, and we should look to our own selves, our own spirit selves for the answers we seek in life. This certainly does not preclude though the usefulness, or indeed the joys, the beauty and loving connections associated with being in contact with spirits, be they angels, earth spirits, or deceased loved ones.

I experience many various spirits on a daily basis, and I believe that I am increadibly blessed by their wonderful, loving presence, and their honest, dependable and trustworthy guidance.

I know some people have problems with trusting the spirits. I don't. I work within the universal laws of "like attracts like". I trust the spirits around me because I work from a place of love and light - raising my own vibrations to a level where only 'genuine' higher beings can come to me, where negative beings are repelled by the higher energies and come no where near. It's a really simple concept, and one that has serverd me very very well.

Astral travel is not the only means by which you can meet spirits Dusty. Psychic development through regular meditation is a far more common form of developing all the forms of mediumship (clairvoyance, clairaudience, etc.). If you want some good and practical reading to give you some pointers here, pick up just about anything written by either Ted Andrews or Doreen Virtue. They have a wonderful and enjoyable perspective on working with spirits.

Kind regards, and good luck
James.

excellent post James!! Thanx for sharing!! They say that "experience is the best teacher" and until you've "experienced" you don't realize how powerful a statement that is!!!    . I use to be a rigid skeptic. Heck, I could have been James Randi I was that skeptical and a big time athiest, but experiences have since tought me otherwise...

well, in my opinion, spirit guides are very real. Some people just haven't had the chance to communicate with them. I guess that's the same thing they say about astral projection though. Those who've never experienced, say it's nothing but a figment of the mind and something that never happens. I try and keep more of an open mind though. Just as there are people who say that astral projection is nothing bu imagination, I guess it's the same with spirit guides...


I'm hoping I can communicate more with mine someday. Spiritual mediums use them all of the time(at least the REAL ones do).

After reading more of Robert's interviews. He believes in them, but he just doesn't think they are necessary for astral projection. He speaks of communicating with angles all of the time. He just doesn't find them to be necessary for the work he does

Well, although i'm not in that field, hopefully, you can still embrace what you have . I have  many friends who are in the Information Technology area and who've been out of work for 2 years because jobs are so hard to come by in that area you are in. Most of them had to take HUGE paycuts and had to sell their homes because they say that most of their jobs are moving overseas...

Anyway, I guess that's besides the point, but I can understand where you are coming from, although my IT  friends would probably want to strangle if you they read your comments  

best of luck to ya and hopefully you can find what you REALLY want to do in life... I know it's tough sometimes to know what type of career would really make you happy. I've went through that many times.

Dusty

I hope I don't sound like I'm lecturing.I don't want to do that.I had just hoped that I can lend to some basic understanding through some of the fustration I have been reading in these threads.When you so truely desire the knowledge for any type of spiritual understanding, and eventually development one has to learn the basics first. Kinda of like we all must learn to stand before we can learn to walk. I hope that I helped lend a little insight to those whom are still seeking.
May peace be with all,

good post! Thanx for sharing your info!   Yea, I don't like to sound like I"m lecturing either. I'm just relaying what's worked well for me and sharing my experience and knowledge .  Your comments regarding anger, negativity etc are very true... Releasing those emotions so that they don't control you was one of the most difficult things I had to overcome! Getting over that was the hardest part. Although at this point in my life, I can now see how much they had held me back before I started getting serious.

I don't think you guys were lecturing.  I thought that both of your posts were very helpful (well.... helpful for me, i'm not sure about the others), and very good.

...one thing I can say for sure is that the more you meditate, the more you become in "tune" with life. You have less accidents, things just happen to go your way, you find yourself getting less angered at things that would normally anger you, you smile more, You have flashes of spiritual insight that you never had previously, you open up psychic development etc..... None of these things ever came to me prior to heavy meditating.

Hmmm..... I dont know Dusty, i've been nicknamed "Smiley" by my teacher because he thinks that i smile too much (not just my teacher but my friends as well), and i don't meditate at all. I'm also seeing less accidents in my life as well, as if they were all meant to happened to me. It's weird that a lot of what you described has so much relevance to my current life situation.  I guess what i can make out of this is that i'm probably doing some kind of meditation that i am unaware of?  

To me, reading books just gives you an academic sense of spirituality and it's hard to internalize that.

I couldn't agree more.  I believe that personal 'experience' is far greater than just reading from a book or listening to what someone else describes about their own experience.  However, i must say that i love to read and listen to other people's stories.

Also, when I meditate, I also have to create the mood, so some new age music(kitaro is my favorite) and some incense from India (Nag Champa) really creates the mood for me

Hey i have one of kitaro's cd in my car.  Actually, it isn't mine, it is my brother's..... but what the heck, it doesn't matter whose it is from. And plus, i rarely listen to it.    I'm always listening to Jack Johnson, Ben Harper, and Damien Rice's music; good stuff.  I'm currently trying to get my hands on Remy Zero, Athlete, and Ed Harcourt cds at a cheap price.  So far, no luck.  

Hehe. i know i'm going off tangent with this.

Dusty ---> Who's still FAR from being enlightened (long way to go there).

Don't be modest, now.  

Anyway, it was nice meeting with you.

Have a terrific week, everyone.

Love & Peace
w/ LittleNinja

hi there littleninja..
  well, I think you can gain different degrees of spirituality without meditating, but meditating is kinda like the shortcut and will get ya there much faster. I think some people are gifted and perhaps meditation isn't necessary, but in my opinion and based on the books I've read(Robert's Bruce's included), meditation is a shortcut to the process. It'a almost always requried if you want to make any kind of spiritual contact to a degree of satisfaction. I could never do that prior to learning to go into deep meditation. When you meditate, you raise your vibrations, which makes non physical communication possible. You really can't do that without meditating.

Now, if you just talking about becoming a more peaceful and loving person etc, then yes, you can get by without meditating. It really all depends on what your goals are, but for my goals, meditating has been mandatory and it's made a HUGE difference in my life that I couldn't get without meditating . It's all about your goals and what you want to get out of it.

best of luck to ya

Dusty

Karnautrahl,

hehe,  your thinking and mine is just the opposite . I haven't really had any experiences with energy such as what you've mentioned, nor have I been able to project, but I've had some amazing spiritual experiences...

I guess it comes down to where your gift in life is....I think that everyone has the potential to experience areas that you aren't gifted in, but it just a lot more work. ..It's not that I don't believe in the type of energy you mention, I do, but I've yet to experience it,  so it's easier for me to focus on what my experiences have taught me, which have generally been spiritual in nature. Anyway, so I do believe in your idea that it's hard to believe in something if you haven't experienced it. Oh man, about 20 years ago, I was a full blown athiest who believed that after you died, you were just  worm food, and I was the biggest skeptic of everything. It's quite amazing how experience changes your entire perception.  It's been quite the journey!

keep up the great posts everyone

I hope I don't sound like I'm lecturing.I don't want to do that.I had just hoped that I can lend to some basic understanding through some of the fustration I have been reading in these threads.When you so truely desire the knowledge for any type of spiritual understanding, and eventually development one has to learn the basics first. Kinda of like we all must learn to stand before we can learn to walk. I hope that I helped lend a little insight to those whom are still seeking.
May peace be with all,

good post! Thanx for sharing your info!   Yea, I don't like to sound like I"m lecturing either. I'm just relaying what's worked well for me and sharing my experience and knowledge .  Your comments regarding anger, negativity etc are very true... Releasing those emotions so that they don't control you was one of the most difficult things I had to overcome! Getting over that was the hardest part. Although at this point in my life, I can now see how much they had held me back before I started getting serious.

I must say that for me meditation has been a BIG key to my spiritual growth. Through meditation I've been able to connect with my grandmother who's passed on(she likes to play tricks with the lights and sometimes I hear her extremely loud while in meditation) and I also get some wonderful and insights that I haven't been able to get prior to meditating. The thing is, meditating takes alot of hard work and as others have said, you have to be PERSISTENT and never give up!!! The results are compounded over the months and years. As one metaphysician put it, "if reaching enlightenment was that easy, many would have misused it's power and would have destroyed this planet a long time ago". I remember another metaphysician saying that meditating is kinda like climbing the rungs of a ladder, each step bringing you one step closer to your goal. I don't want to get into this too much because I know everyone has different opinions when it comes to spirituality, and I don't want to step on anyone's beliefs, but one thing I can say for sure is that the more you meditate, the more you become in "tune" with life. You have less accidents, things just happen to go your way, you find yourself getting less angered at things that would normally anger you, you smile more, You have flashes of spiritual insight that you never had previously, you open up psychic development etc.....  None of these things ever came to me prior to heavy meditating. Currently I meditate about 2 hours a day and have done so for about the last 10 years, although I did miss a week once when I went to Europe.  I know 2 hours a day isn't alot, but it's the persistence that's paid off for me.

Believe me, the benefits are really worth it. To me, reading books just gives you an academic sense of spirituality and it's hard to internalize that.

I really can't put in words what meditating has done for me, but I now know why it's preached so much in spiritual/metaphysical books.

As far as the comments regarding those who have been frustrated from a lack of results through meditating, I know where you are coming from, because I was once there myself!!!

For those learning how to meditate, take Robert Bruce's advice and pick up some of the hemi sync tapes fromt he Monroe Institue. The Gateway Voyage is the best!!

Also, when I meditate, I also have to create the mood, so some new age music(kitaro is my favorite) and some incense from India (Nag Champa) really creates the mood for me
99% of incense is yucky to me, so I'm really picky when it comes to incense

One other thing, to many people, the amount of time you have to sacrifice in meditation, isn't worth it for them to embark on such a journey, and I can completely understand that. In my younger days, I didn't feel it was worth my time either, but as the old saying goes, "when the student is ready, the master appears"    


Dusty ---> Who's still FAR from being enlightened (long way to go there).

Hi,
I was listening to one of Robert's  older online interviews and a caller was asking about astral travel and spirit guides. Anyway, he had mentioned that he never encountered a spirit guide in all of his work and that spirt guides was more for "new age" type beliefs(or something like that). My question is, does that mean that he  doesn't believe they exist? I'm just curious because so many reputable metaphysicians have spoke of spirit guides and being in contact with them.  

Anyway, I'm thinking that perhaps what he meant is that they just aren't needed for astral projection?, .. Now I know that some metaphysicians use Angels/spirit guides interchangibly. I guess another possibility is that Spirit Guides wouldn't present themselves for the type of work he does??

I'm a huge fan of Robert's hard work, but was just a little bit shocked with his comments regarding spirit guides.

Any other thoughts on this?

thanx again,

Dusty