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Messages - Jace

#1
Welcome to Dreams! / SP
March 28, 2005, 17:57:19
thanks again for all the good advice.  To answer one of your questions, re: what makes me become scared, thus leading to hyperventilation.  
From what I can remember, I suddenly realize that I cannot "get out", so to speak, of this dream world which I can control.  Furthermore, unconsciously, I must remember those types of SP occurances and because of that the difficulty in breathing becomes almost definite, because I have them everytime.  So my mind resorts to this breathing problem which is futher enhanced by some presence I feel when I can't wake up.  A feeling of, "if i don't wake up, somethings gonna get me".  Obviously, its all in my mind.  Now its just a matter of convincing myself that things will ok, I just need to focus on moving a finger or something.  All your advice/suggestions will come in very handy.   peace
#2
when i come to the realization that SP is occuring, how do I break out of that.  I think on of the emails that replied to my intial post mentioned that i should try to touch my finger to my thumb.  If I can't do that, and I hyperventilate at a greater rate, thus increasing my fear, what should i try next in order to wake myself.  Thanks in advance.  peace
#3
just wanted to thank all who replied.  Your suggestions were very detailed and I will most definetly be using these ideas to help me better understand SP.  Thanks again  peace
#4
Hello.  I'm new to these forums and are finding them quite helpful in my quest in learning about "awareness/consciousness".  I have experienced the scenario I decribed below ruffly 15-20 times in my 28yrs of life.  I'd like to better understand what is happening, what is it called (ie lucid dreams, sleep paralysis, OBE, etc..), and if it is a Lucid Dream or OBE, can I astral project from what ever it is I'm experiencing.  Scenario as follows:
I fall asleep in a normal fashion, with normal defined as not overly tired or any other circumstance which would cause abnormal sleep or induction into the sleep mode.  All of a sudden, I become aware that I'm asleep, but yet I'm conscious in my "dream" state.  That is, I can control my dream, including flying, super human power stuff, whatever.  I've even been shot by a gun in one of these conscious dreams, yet I knew it was only a dream so I just laughed at the shooter.  I can jump off a towering cliff, fall with the same velocity as you would if you jumped off a cliff awake, and then right before I hit the ground, I just stop myself cause I know its a dream.  Know this is where it becomes a bit weird to me.  Without notice, I feel a dark presence, some kind of fear, though I normally don't become afraid, again, because I know its a dream.  But what happens is that it becomes difficult to breath.  I try to take a deep breath and I can't.  It come to the point I think I can't breath at all so, at that point, knowing i'm dreaming, I start to yell, grap at my body, slap my face, try to open my eye lids, things like that.  As I'm doing these things, I feel this presence becoming closer and closer, which makes my try to breath harder, and being unable to, I continue trying to wake myself with anything possible until I do.  Some of these scenarios have occured when my girlfriend was sleeping next to me.  During those times, in my psuedo-dream state, I know she is sleeping next to me so I try to call her name to help me wake.  When I've yelled her name out,  or atleast I think I'm calling her out, she does wake me up.  She begins to tell me that I was moaning very load, sounding like a injured Lamb or something like that.  She can't recall me ever actually calling her name or even me remotely making comprehendable pronounciations of words, more like jibberish.  So thats it.  That is what happens in detail.  Sorry for the length, just wanted to thoroughly describe.  Any info. would be helpful.  Thanks in advance.  peace