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On the other hand I've heard from another MA expert that damage can be limited by pre-exercise routines involving a LOT of warming up, stretching etc.  Never go into heavy weight exercises cold!!  

So anybody had vivid dreams using ZMA?  Personally I prefer not to ingest any chemicals even if they are called "food supplements"...!   Don't need them....

Exactly right, I spend a long time warming up, and cooling down. I always do warm up sets with light weight as well.

Anyways, I'm going to get some ZMA soon, and I'll post the results.

Creatine monohydrate is only "legal" because it doesn't work. Anything that does is banned by the IOC, lol.

lol...... hee hee

have to agree... never did much for me either.  But too much heavy weights are bad for you... take my word for it... was "near olympic fitness" 6 years ago and now have constant trouble due to the knee damage from 10 years of 200kg sqauts.... and heavy leg extensions.... take it easy out there....!  Remember to stretch before exercise - very important!

Weights are good for you, providing you have great form and take precautions etc...    

You could be one of the 10-20% of people who dont respond to it.

Again, I think you may be unaware of what creatine actually does. It increases anaerobic endurance.

Actually it does work, but most people are wrong about what it does. It increases anaerobic endurance. It doesn't make you stronger or anything like that. Many users claim to experience almost immediate increases in peak power, but I really believe this is from a placebo effect.

It would be useless for a marathon runner. However, in the field of martial arts, sustaining high powered attacks for longer periods of time is something great.

And the only reason they allow it, is because you cant test for it. It's in meat.

That's unfortunate.

Hmm water uptake with it seems to be a problem with some people. There are ways to minimize water uptake though, which includes not overdosing...  oops, sorry, I meant "loading".

Consider that any substance really and truly effective for competitive athletes outside of the bodybuilding world has already been banned by the IOC. So anything that makes any kind of grandiose claims must be a con.

Except for creatine monohydrate, which is amazing stuff btw.


Also, Although I'm not subject to drug testing, I stay drug free, which in my book, includes anabolic 'roids (Proviron being one).

"I currently take ZMA and have cycled it on and off, it does increase your test levels and does give me many very realistic dreams, i didn't have my first lucid dream until i was using ZMA."

-rockin.

What if an athlete were supplementing with ZMA. An athlete who doesn't plan to stop using supplements. If this athlete were practicing phasing, he would welcome the enhancements no? So, being both a martial artist, and someone who practices phasing, I suppose the only way to find out would be do actually try it.

Ill get back to you in a few months.

Hay,

Well, that's alot of weight when your one of the top athletes in the world.

anyways... it seems you both have missed the point of my post. I'm not here to argue over supplements, I do that on relevant forums.

Again, returning to my original idea: Could the enhanced dream effects, also enhance your attempts of phasing?

A valid comment, however, there has been countless inbiased, double blind studies on the supplement. And it has been proven to enhance performance in most top level atheletes.

There is a large body of scientific evidence supportive of ZMA. Zinc and Magnesium are commonly depleted from your body. Studies have shown that supplementing with 30mg of Zinc and 450mg of Magnesium per day can elevate testosterone levels up to 30%

The most talked about study is the following. Lorrie Brilla, PhD, a sports performance researcher at Western Washington University, recently reported that ZMA significantly increase free testosterone levels and muscle strength in NCAA football players. These ZMA study results were presented by Dr. Brilla on June 2, 1999, at the 46th Annual Meeting of the American College of Sports Medicine in Seattle, WA, and were published in the official ACSM journal, Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise, Vol. 31, No. 5, May 1999.

Specifically, Brilla reported that "a group of competitive NCAA football players who took ZMA nightly during an eight-week spring training program had 2.5 times greater muscle strength gains than a placebo group. (250% better results!) Pre and post leg strength measurements were made using a Biodex isokinetic dynamometer." The strength of the ZMA group increased by 11.6% compared to only a 4.6% increase in the placebo group.

Basically, this means that if you went up 10 pounds on your bench press in eight weeks without ZMA, you WOULD have went up 25 pounds in that same period if you had been taking ZMA.

Brilla further explained, "The muscle strength increases may have been mediated by the anabolic hormone increases in the ZMA group. The ZMA group had 30% increases in free and total testosterone levels compared to 10 percent decreases in the placebo group... The ZMA group also had a slight increase in insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) levels compared to a 20 percent decrease in the placebo group. This study shows that anabolic hormone and muscle strength increases can be induced in already strength-trained athletes by using a novel zinc-magnesium preparation."

However, its direct effects are secondary here on this forum. I'm interested in its dream enhancing properties.

I know these to be valid, because a few of my close friends started reporting dreams they couldn't tell were just dreams. They say every dream they have is unexplainibly vivid. After hearing these remarks, I went on the internet, only to find the same results.

Regular intense exercise (IE: weightlifting) can deplete your bodies supply of  zinc, magnesium, and vitamin B-6.

There have been many studies showing that most athletes are deficient in zinc, magnesium, and vitamin B-6.

A side effect of supplementing with ZMA, is outrageously realistic dreams.

You take the supplement an hour or so before bed on an empty stomach, and it helps you sleep deeper, and as I mentioned, makes your dreams substantially more vivid and greatly increases dream recall.

Anyone have any comments?

Well, I completely forgot about my physical eyes, so I would say I was feeling this in my mind.

Ok, sensation wise, I started by laying down and doing some deep breathing exercises, and relaxed into by bed.

Pretty much all my previous attempts last week were all about getting a solid focus 10. So I arrived in that state in about 10 Min's. I had little feeling, and forgot where my arms were he he.

I had made a point to myself the previous night, to not try and picture myself in my scenery, because it usually ends up in 3rd person. So I figured I would just cut that out, and the 1st person POV would naturally come. Boy how right I was.

After that, I remember when I started to build my cabin, It could only focus on one aspect of it (ie: the visual, or the audio, or smells).  But I pushed the idea of "TRYING" to engage my senses aside, and went on with the building.

After I while, I noticed I could engage multiple senses, which was fairly cool seeing as I wasn't trying.

Soon, I was totally immersed.

There was so, physical sensations, no exit symptoms, no noises, no vibrations. The transition was mega-smooth and only took about 5 Min's.

Welcome!

I hope you learn many things here.

Thursday. April 14, 2005

Last night I had my 1st true phasing experience. I fully focused my attention in F2oC. It was actually fairly incredible. I was lying in my bed attempting to "phase" like I had been doing the last week or so, except this time, I adopted the attitude of "meh". I really didn't care if it happened or not. I decided I would create an imaginary place in my mind.

Apon doing so, I had an intention to go there. So I started constructing this place. I decided I was particularly fond of old growth forests, so I constructed a log cabin midst a clearing. I then followed up be piecing bits of scenery around and filling in the details and whatnot. I remember to try and engage my senses inside my mind, so I did. After a good while, 15 mins or so, this place of mine became sooo real, that I was actually inside it, in 1st person, with all my senses going strong. I would walk, and hear my footsteps, I'd look at a tree, and see every leaf without trying to them, I could hear wind blowing in the trees. It was actually pretty intense. I completely forgot about my physical body, I was totally immersed in my creation. It was so weird, it was like being in a dream, except 100% aware. Now, I know this was F20c because it was really susceptible to thoughts, often times I had to "flex my muscles" so to speak, to get rid of "negs".

I guess I will give a detailed description of my experience:

I began constructing the log cabin midst a clearing of about 100x100 feet inside a virgin forest. I pictured the cabin being rectangular in shape, and having a straw roof. I made a door in the front on one of the shorter sides. I decided it would be awesome to have a garden on the left side of the cabin (relative to the front door). Then, I decided in the back of the house, one of the old growth trees needed a tree house up in it, and so it was born 200 feet up with no ladder. To the rear right next to the treeline grew blackberry bushes.

Then, I realized I would need entrances to the clearing, and so a long path was made in the very front center, that veered to the left about 150 feet down it. Another path was made right center, that went straight as far as I could see. I then realized I had not entered my cabin! So I walked in, and begin laying down my thoughts as to the interior design. After walking in, to the left you will find a kitchen table and 4 chairs. To the right, a TV area with love-seat, and surround sound :p. Behind the dining room table, you will find a counter that comes out from the wall, about 5 feet. Behind that is the kitchen area. Behind all that, would be a bedroom. And so my cabin was created.

I left it and realized I did not have an orchard! So, I pushed back the treeline on the side with the garden good 200 feet, and BAM, freshie orchard. I then, decided to to furnish my tree-house. I flew up there (yeah, I learned how to fly =D) and made a little bed in the far right corner, and a little desk in the rear left corner. I paused for a moment deciding what to put beside the bed. I thought of a cool little end table, and it appeared there. For a little while I was content, but i grew weary and bored, so I removed the end table, and made a window beside the door and mounted a Gatling gun turret over looking my forest paradise.

All right, I flew around my cabin a few times admiring my creating feeling proud, and generally noticing how real everything felt. At that moment, I decided it was time to explore. Then, some for some reason I created an entity, a female companion. I know now that she was an aspect of myself that I used to bring up subjects that I needed to press into my subconscious. So we began meandering down the front center pathway.

As I we were walking, I remember noticing how amazingly real it all was, I could hear to sets of foot prints, I could see every pebble, every leaf, every blade of grass and I could smell the forest air. So we rounded the bend that I mentioned earlier, and there was a pile of rubble blocking the road. My companion then posed the question: "Oh now, how are we gonna get past?" (NOTE: This is what I meant by "pressing ideas into my subconscious" I knew that I had the power to do whatever, but she was the aspect of myself that I used to bring these powers into awareness).  I then replied "I'm all powerful, and I can do anything, and you can as well". I then used telekinesis to fling the pile of rubble into space. We walked about 30 more feet down the path. Then, a thought came into my head that there could be negative entities. As soon as I thought that, a MASSIVE spider appeared right behind us. (I think my subconscious chose the spider because I had seen the scene in LOTR with the spider before bed).

At 1st, I was somewhat frightened because I could see this spider in amazing detail, its hairs, the reflection of the surroundings in its eyes and I could hear its hisssssing. But as soon as I remembered this is my would, I used telekinesis to shoot into into the forest. Now, that was especially cooool, because my subconscious created the effects of it mowing down trees as the effect of my launching it directly into the forest. I could see all the trees crash, I could see its legs flailing, and I could clearly hear the trees snapping.

At that moment I looked again at the place where the spider was. I guess I was a still a bit shocked at the sight of this thing and still had a bit of negative thoughts in my mind, so all these baby spiders, about 6 were running at me (they were still huge haha, about a foot across). But just like before, I remembered I was a god in this world, as mangled them up good, with several fireballs. Haha, that was so cool, because it sooo real feeling. I then reassured my companion that we are all powerful (to press it into my subconscious). So off we were down the path when I decided a straight path was no longer needed.

I created a fork that went off to the right. I then created a signpost that said there was a mountain straight and a cave down the right path.  My partner then piped up that the cave was probably spider-less :p. That was particularly amusing because I did not think of saying that!!!. So told her, we would continue forwards toward the mountain. I then paused for a bit, to take in my surroundings and admire the realness. TO my front, was a mountain in the distance, down the path towards the cave were these hills, and i looked back at where my cabin was supposed to be. It occurred to me that all the trees where I was were tiny in comparison to the ones surrounding the cabin, so naturally when I looked back, I saw towering trees right where they were supposed to be. I looked at the ground, saw individual pebbles, singular blades of grass. It was just to real. So onwards we trekked.

We came to another pile of rubble about 100 feet down the path!. My sidekick, said, "not another pile, will you get rid of it?". I then reminded her of her powers, so she just flew over it. But that wasn't cool enough for me :p.  

I use telekinesis to lift it up out of the ground, and made it fly into the forest, (which had similar effects as the spider hitting the trees). I looked down and it seemed the pit that remained was bottomless. I then had a negative thought of someone falling down it, which of course led to my partner falling immediately.  So, of course I, once again, flexed my brainpower, she flew up flawlessly. Again I had to remind her of our god like abilities. So we continued on down the path another 30 or so feet until I got the urge to create new forks.

I made a path to the right that led to a "evil forest" (I think at the time I decided I might want to do some battling in the future :p). And another path that went left wise, to a village. I got a glimpse of what the village might look like, think tee-pees. I decided not to go there because I did not think I was ready, but perhaps I didn't have enough energy to create such a village with people all over. So me and my new friend decided to continue our adventure towards the mountain. But first I decided to have a look around. It was awesome that nothing lost its vividness. Towards the town there was even smoke rising, that I didn't create, but it just seemed likely. And over to the "evil forest" were huge trees surrounded in mist. I looked up at the mountain and it was even a little bigger now that we were closer. At this point I don't know why, but my friend (who had no name by the way) asked what I would do if something attacked us. UHH, I guess she was a little slow :p. I told her, for like the 5th time, nothing could happen. She said " what if a... a....a big bear attacked us!".  I decided to show her exactly what would happen .  

So I said " You mean like that one!" as I pointed to the big brown bear running straight at us from the mountain path. So, feeling playful, I took it on hand to hand, or..hand to paw haha. Of course, I messed it up good. But, I saw it lying on the ground bleeding, and I somehow felt compassion for it!!, So I revived it, and made it run away into the trees. Then, I remember how cool my cabin was :p. So I grabbed my companion by the hand and started to fly back, low to the ground. It was really amazing because everything we passed was still there, looking real as ever. There were even smoldering bits of baby spider hahaha.

We arrived at the cabin, and sat down inside at the dining room table. She asked if I wanted to play chess. I said "umm, sure I guess". we took about 4 moves each, and I decided I was bored, so I walked outside. At that point I looked around at the scenery, marveled in its beauty, and felt content with my experience. I opened my physical eyes and just laid there smiling.

Yeah, so I guess a lot of people have the same symptoms as me, getting them randomly and all.

Does anyone else get them around 50 times a day!?!  (like me)

Allright, this is my 1st post here (Hehe, Hay everybody!)

I am fairly new to AP and became aware of the swaying vibrations a few weeks ago. I have been meditating for a few years now, and never felt them.  I am 18 years old if it makes a difference.

I was wondering, is it normal to get these vibrations randomly throughout the day. I would also like to note that I practice martial arts, am very healthy, and I NEVER get sick.. EVER!.

Often I will be doing some activity and I will feel the swaying, out of nowhere, without inducing it. Sometimes I will be just drawing or playing guitar, and it will get fairly intense, and I'll hear buzzing.

I was under the impression that most had to try to get the vibrations.

Does anyone else get them without trying randomly, throughout the day?!

umm, I'm feeling them very slightly right now.