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[Well, I kind of get that these things don't have much meaning in our world. I just thought it was kind of odd that they show up. :3 I'm starting to go with the idea that it's all random jumble that I just stumble into at the right time for it to say something. The thing is, I never like to completely write something off. I thought that it might be something from an APer who's looking to contact other people. I mean, it can be difficult to establish a regular contact with someone on the astral, and it might have been someone just messing around to see if they can leave ethereal matter with a message that has contact information. I thought it might have been made by a person, because after the initial message came through it's just been turning back into inconsistant astral mushy-bits.]

Well, I kind of get that these things don't have much meaning in our world. I just thought it was kind of odd that they show up. :3

I'm starting to go with the idea that it's all random jumble that I just stumble into at the right time for it to say something. The thing is, I never like to completely write something off. I thought that it might be something from an APer who's looking to contact other people. I mean, it can be difficult to establish a regular contact with someone on the astral, and it might have been someone just messing around to see if they can leave ethereal matter with a message that has contact information. I thought it might have been made by a person, because after the initial message came through it's just been turning back into inconsistant astral mushy-bits.

[Recently, in an astral experience, I found a hand mirror that seemed to be a replica of an existing one in my room. It was slightly different from the real thing, but very clearly meant to represent it. For some reason, I held it to my ear. It told me that it was sent to me by the Green Eyes Society. I wasn't able to get much more out of it than a sense that the object would be reachable by the astral.So, random bullox, or is it something I should look into? Has anyone had a similar experience?]

Recently, in an astral experience, I found a hand mirror that seemed to be a replica of an existing one in my room. It was slightly different from the real thing, but very clearly meant to represent it. For some reason, I held it to my ear. It told me that it was sent to me by the Green Eyes Society. I wasn't able to get much more out of it than a sense that the object would be reachable by the astral.

So, random bullox, or is it something I should look into? Has anyone had a similar experience?

Alright, I'll admit it. Although going into the astral did not scare me at all when I began, lately I've seemed to lose my wits. I have decent concentration, and can control emotions fairly well when actually /trying/ to do so, but being caught off guard really sends me packing. I was wondering if there are any practices or techniques that help with quelling sudden fear.

For the most part, this is how my astral experience goes. I start in a dream, and come out. I meet things that want to scare me, and I can typically ignore the feelings that they want from me. In fact, the other night I ended up in a conversation with something that wanted me to fear it, and I could /feel/ it being irritated to death. It was rather funny. It seems that, whether I'm in the real time zone or in a view of the astral that peaks out of my dream state, it's hard to scare me once I have established myself in the area. Now, here is where things get icky. Some times, my trips to the astral are very sudden and accidental. I'll be pulled out from an area of near-sleep, and find myself in sleep paralysis. Sometimes, I can use the situation to roll/shake myself lose from my body. If I'm not there on my own terms, however, something usually pops up out of no-where and does a total "BOOGA BOOGA GOT YOU!" kind of thing. You know, like that prank internet video where you think it's a car commercial, and the ugly monster pops out and screams loud enough to give a drill sergeant a heart attack? Anyhow, if they catch me off guard, I usually find myself in a nervous panicky fit. I'd like to know if anything you all have practiced has helped remedy said situations. It's been happening more and more often for me, and I would like some suggestions on how to keep sudden fear from escalating into a total loss of control.

Wow, talk about self ritious. o_o; I've already told you, I /can't/ get energy the regular way. It just sort of goes through me, and then out into la-la land, leaving me as exausted as ever.

Also, if you knew my source of energy, you wouldn't be calling me the egotist. My best friend has such an over-poweing emotional aura that she still catches me by surprise, and she shares energy with me /willingly/. I don't steal it from her, and I rarely have to make a contious effort to get anything. >__>

If your energy system is damaged, sometimes only particular types of energy will stick.

I agree that the vampire term doesn't suit it.. Technically, we aren't vampires. We don't drink blood for either energy or substanance, so we don't fit the definition.


Look, you have a misconception here. Yes, there are people who go around taking energy at random, but some people have to rely on the energy of others. I have a problem with leaking of energy. I sleep 13-16 hours a day, have to rid my house of fatty foods (A tendency to eat like crazy otherwise), and suffer the emotional and physical effects of constantly losing energy. If I couldn't take energy from my friends, I think my system would just go to default and start sapping energy out of anyone. >__> And it's not even that I take a noticable amount. It's not a frig'n super power, we aren't /really/ vampires.


It's a phycic disease. Someone has a leak in thier chakra system. They start taking outside chakra to try and even themselves out. That person, over a period of time, suffers damage to their chakra system. Unless a person is willing to deal with being mentally and physically lifeless (Or really damn close to it), they generally resort to taking a little from someone else.

It sounds to me that you are a crazy bonking stalker. A chick turned you down, and now to get revenge you are trying to ruin her reputation. Good gods, have you no shame? 

[o.o; The same thing happens to me a lot. I think it's just because you're more likely to notice negs when you think about the astral, actually.]

ACK!!! you scared me!!



thanks for the advice you guys. i'm a pretty happy and positive person, so i think i'm afraid because the negs seemed to be sort of hyped up whenever i read something about AP. (usually on other forums) i need to ignore it.

o.o; The same thing happens to me a lot. I think it's just because you're more likely to notice negs when you think about the astral, actually.

[Thank you very much! I was running out of ideas when I thought about it on my own, and hearing someone else is really helpful. I know that dreams have personal meanings, but I always get so confused when I go at it on my own. XDWell, what you said about the mask does fit. Lately I have seemed to be getting farther and farther from my true self, and on the internet in particular I have seemed to have a whole different persona. As for the whole wine and grapes thing, I've started to see what might be the meaning. In the last few months I've been completing the process to get into school and become a nurse. When I was younger, I always associated red wine with someone trying to cure an ailment. I haven't looked it up, but I'm pretty sure that in the past people drank it when they had sever colds, etc. In fact, I'm pretty sure that in my favorite nursery rhyme someone gave another person a bottle of red wine when they were sick. XDIt took a bit of thinking to come up with that, and it may or may not be it. I also tend to be outspoken/complaining, so that might in fact have something to do with it to. ^_^ Anyhow, than you very much.]

Thank you very much!

I was running out of ideas when I thought about it on my own, and hearing someone else is really helpful. I know that dreams have personal meanings, but I always get so confused when I go at it on my own. XD

Well, what you said about the mask does fit. Lately I have seemed to be getting farther and farther from my true self, and on the internet in particular I have seemed to have a whole different persona.

As for the whole wine and grapes thing, I've started to see what might be the meaning. In the last few months I've been completing the process to get into school and become a nurse. When I was younger, I always associated red wine with someone trying to cure an ailment. I haven't looked it up, but I'm pretty sure that in the past people drank it when they had sever colds, etc. In fact, I'm pretty sure that in my favorite nursery rhyme someone gave another person a bottle of red wine when they were sick. XD

It took a bit of thinking to come up with that, and it may or may not be it. I also tend to be outspoken/complaining, so that might in fact have something to do with it to. ^_^ Anyhow, than you very much.

Boooga booooooga! 

[>_< Thank you.]

>_< Thank you.

[Okay, this is what went on. I was with a group of people, and we were all being given rp roles that fit us. Someone gave me a symbol that looked like a mask that covers the entire head. It kind of makes me think about a character type in a game I used to play where one character had a mask, but it didn't seem to have any relevence within the dream. ^_^; I asked what it was, and they said something about giving wine to people. I went to the person who trains characters with that symbol, and he told me something along the lines of taking good care of wine, making sure it was red, and throwing it out if it was green. Then he handed me a bottle of red wine. I think he mean throwing it out if the grapes that were supposed to be red were green, because when those kind of grapes are still green they are sour? Oh, and by rp, I mean that it was some kind of role-playing game at the start of the dream. >_< I'm mega confuzzled on this one. Well, a wierd enough dream. I've been looking it up in dream dictionaries, but I can't seem to make any sense of it.]

Okay, this is what went on. I was with a group of people, and we were all being given rp roles that fit us. Someone gave me a symbol that looked like a mask that covers the entire head. It kind of makes me think about a character type in a game I used to play where one character had a mask, but it didn't seem to have any relevence within the dream. ^_^; I asked what it was, and they said something about giving wine to people. I went to the person who trains characters with that symbol, and  he told me something along the lines of taking good care of wine, making sure it was red, and throwing it out if it was green. Then he handed me a bottle of red wine.

I think he mean throwing it out if the grapes that were supposed to be red were green, because when those kind of grapes are still green they are sour?


Oh, and by rp, I mean that it was some kind of role-playing game at the start of the dream.  >_< I'm mega confuzzled on this one.

Well, a wierd enough dream. I've been looking it up in dream dictionaries, but I can't seem to make any sense of it.

(Feels like such a wierd little anime dork.)

This show was so twisted and interesting. I wish there were more strange tv shows out there. It made me think a lot about how things can spread around, like with rumors etc, and then when all of the fear and rumors took a form and started "atacking", I had to go ""HOLY COW! THAT REMINDS ME OF SOMETHING!"

Heeeh. Trippy tv shows= Fun. <3 <3 <3

For those who have not seen it, Paranoia Agent starts out with a woman who is under a lot of pressure for her job. She's the creator of a popular cartoon, and she can't come up with any new ideas. Something weird happens to her on the way home, and she claims to have been hit in the head by a kid with a baseball bat. Rumors fly, and other victims start popping up. The more it happens, the more rumors grow, and people having emotional crisis (And a few others things like that) start seeing "Little slugger" come out of no-where, get hit with a bat, and when they recover in the hospital they don't seem to have any problems anymore.

That probably wasn't very accurate, but I have the attention span of a chipmunk. Any-how, the whole show reminded me of negs. In the end little slugger turns out to be a made up bad guy that the girl convinced herself and everyone else to believe in after she accidentally caused the death of her pet, and when she brings him back under one of her times of stress the paranoia turns him into a neg-like thing.


Really trippy show, and people who liked "Boogypop Phantom" might like it. (Skips off to find clips on youtube.)

I'm a fan of a TV show called "Paranoia Agent." It's a Japanese anime, and I was just wondering if anyone else hear likes it. It kind of reminded me of this website, because every time I come here I see people talking about Negs.

Like I said, my sense of humor comes out instead of fear sometimes. I have no idea how that came into my head though... It's kind of weird that it was my first thought though. o_o;

(Nods.)

You are probably right. ^_^ That would explain why it did not return. I kept telling myself that if it was anything important, that it would not have any real reason to come back. I remember that it seemed a little angry when I thought to myself, "Gollum meets hellraiser." I sometimes counter my own fear and confusion with humor. It seemed a little angry, but it went away after that and I have not seen it at all since then. I'm glad I really don't have anything to worry about. XD

so was this a dream or what?

(Shakes head.)

I was awake when it happened, about to get up and go to the bathroom. I barely had the time to feel like I was going into an OBE or the astral, it happened really suddenly and I think by force.

can anyone truely interpret this?  I wouldnt write it off totally but I think if it has any meaning only you can figure it out.  I have seen things I cant begin to expain and I just hope one day that I can.  I wouldnt worry about it.

I know what you are trying to say, but that is not really what I am looking for. In this case it was something that seemed hard to mistake for something else, so I thought that if anyone else had seen it that they could clearly remember it. I figured if there was some meaning (Other than if what-ever it is was known to make something happen. In that case, whether good or bad, a little warning from someone else could help.)  involved I could find that out myself.

Judging from your definition of the way this thing looked, it could have been a very peculiar being!  The grid lines, were they regular like graphing paper, or did the lines bend and curve in strange but logical manners over the skin?

Bloodsong

It was not like looking at a character that was simple drawn with a grid line pattern, it curved like a tattoo would naturally on a person's body. I do not remember it very distinctly, but I do know that it was a grid line that fit him, however exactly it worked.

I have recently been forced into a experience where I saw a white figure in a crouching position who was covered in intersecting lines. Please do not just call it a neg, it did not attack me and I have the very distinct feeling that there is more behind it. It was in What looked like either an abandoned town marketplace filled with nothing but boxes and supplies, or a harbor. The ground looked to be made of cobble stone. I did not feel at all threatened by this creature. I awoke afraid only because I did not know what it was, it did not cause me to have any emotion or even seem to be paying attention to me.

I think I can relate to that story. Sometimes your past life self can be separate from you in a way. Your defeating her might be your way of fighting off the bad things from that life. You might have needed to confront the destructive things from your past life once and for all.

There is a part of me that is like that, a form of energy I can feel around me that I will notice entering or leaving the room. It is not a dark side for me, though. I always feel it when I've made a really good change, of thought about/said something that had a lot of meaning.

Hmm. I wonder why it looked like my guide though, my guide looks like my mom. ^^; It felt kind of funny beating up on my mom.


The strange thing is, awhile back something in the form of my mother took on a more sinister role, as a neg that really shook me up a lot. I don't think they are connected though, because a neg would be smarter than to show up in a place where a person has thier most power, state their entire entention as if it mattered, and then get beat up.

Good grief, I really shouldn't think into this. ^^; Thank you for your advice, I think you are right.

Lillith. Ever heard of her It's an old myth about a woman who does this kind of thing to male children. I read up on it a year or so ago, do a search on it. All that I know about stopping her is that she is why boys in the Jewish religion are always circumcised. Well, that is what I got from what I read.

I have had several OBEs, and each time I have had help from someone who looks just like my mom. When I was younger, one day she got really sad and told me that she had to leave. I cried, she left, and I did not see her again until the year I turned 17. For me, it as a no questions asked sort of thing that she was the same person, she gave me useful advice that I confirmed valid with several people.

Today, I had a livid dream. I knew it was just that, I knew I was dreaming, and I did several of the things I am able to do in a livid dream. I called out for my guide, found what I thought was her, and went over to it.

I asked her, " Can you help me out of body? I want to go to the astral."

She got angry, and said in a very anime villain style that she was not my guide, and stated that she would be the one who kills me.

I replied, "No, you're not going to kill me." With confidence, and said something typically good guy-ish that I would probably be a little embarrassed about if I remembered exactly. She said, "I knew your last two guides, they where you're great grandfather and your grandmother."  

I said, "Yeah right! I have never met my great grandfather, and I hate my grandma with a passion!"

I got into a fight with her, kicked her around using several livid dream sort of abilities, and it was no surprise to me that I beat her up as easily as if I had made her up myself, she did nothing back and acted like a typical dream character I would make up.

If she really were some sort of neg, why would she answer when I called out to my spirit guide? I did not see in my head any face or appearance when I called for my spirit guide, I just called out for my spirit guide to meet me. Also, if she were a neg, wouldn't she want to trick me into thinking that she was my guide? Why would she make suck anime style bad guy statements, and why would she let me win a fight if her point was to scare me?

I think that my subconscious was stalling me, like it did not want me to leave. Maybe it was worried or concerned about me, I don't really know. Any ideas?

No idea, but it would be a great way to get a boyfriend to remember your birthday of aniversery. XD If you could actualy do that though, it would not be a good idea. Each person has their own free will, and I bet that there would be people ywho try to use that for evil.