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I work on having lucid dreams (LD),
and I find it realy hard to maintain lucidity during the LD.

I was wondering, how easy\hard it it to maintain lucidity during an OBE?
Is it easyer than a lucid dream?

Thanks in advance.
Variety

Hi,

Sometimes I have lucid dreams. I want to use them to get out of my body, but there seems to be something that is stoping me. When ever I start expereince of getting out of the dream to out of body, i lose my lucidity, and feel tiredness.

Why is that happening?
I did succeed once.
The methode I use it to try and fly high as possible and the fastest and to get out of my body.
Thank you.

[Originally posted by Astralpulse4229829:]

Thanks for responding.

Have you succeeded going out of body using this technique?

quote:Originally posted by Astralpulse4229829:
easy ..,you have to imagine your self falling down from something like a building or from the sky . to me I take a very long breaths "about 10" and I hold the last one for about an 70 or even 80 seconds . after that I start to fell my self falling down from an airplane for about 5 minutes .


Good luck

Yours,
Alaa Murad

quote:Originally posted by Variety:
Hi,
I am testing this methode but don't realy know what is the "falling technique".
Can you please explain it?

quote:Originally posted by Astralpulse4229829:
Well , I guess I found an interesting way of getting to the trance state quickly ..

The key in my method is breathing ...

Note: this method involves in holding your breath and you may pass-out-of-consciousness PLEASE DO NOT DO IT IF YOU'RE NOT ADULT OR HAVING OTHER PROBLEMS. However, I did it so many times and I found it not in any way dangerous but you should have some one to watch you while you are trying it for the first time. The idea is to deliver less Oxygen to the brain and causing it to start to consume less and that means you get to the trance state.  

1-start to relax your mussels " use what ever method you do " take long breath 6-10 seconds.

2-take 10 long breathings every one longer than the one before it and then take the longer one until you find no more place to suck air in to it. Not only in your lungs but also in your brain "got to feel the air in the brain " and then hold on as long as you could hold you breathing "it should feels like you are passing-out ".

3- exhales very slowly. And start to breathe normally

4-do some falling techniques for 10 min

5-you could repeat 2-4 to get to the sleeping-paralyze state "and it feel like your body is on drug "


Alaa Murad

[Originally posted by Astralpulse4229829:]

Hi,
I am testing this methode but don't realy know what is the "falling technique".
Can you please explain it?

quote:Originally posted by Astralpulse4229829:
Well , I guess I found an interesting way of getting to the trance state quickly ..

The key in my method is breathing ...

Note: this method involves in holding your breath and you may pass-out-of-consciousness PLEASE DO NOT DO IT IF YOU'RE NOT ADULT OR HAVING OTHER PROBLEMS. However, I did it so many times and I found it not in any way dangerous but you should have some one to watch you while you are trying it for the first time. The idea is to deliver less Oxygen to the brain and causing it to start to consume less and that means you get to the trance state.  

1-start to relax your mussels " use what ever method you do " take long breath 6-10 seconds.

2-take 10 long breathings every one longer than the one before it and then take the longer one until you find no more place to suck air in to it. Not only in your lungs but also in your brain "got to feel the air in the brain " and then hold on as long as you could hold you breathing "it should feels like you are passing-out ".

3- exhales very slowly. And start to breathe normally

4-do some falling techniques for 10 min

5-you could repeat 2-4 to get to the sleeping-paralyze state "and it feel like your body is on drug "


Alaa Murad

Thanks for responding.

[Originally posted by Astralpulse4229829:]

More details:

When I started, I didn't actualy knew how to breath, so I tried a few variations:

1. Breathing slowly first from the lungs, than slowly filling the diaphragm (is that how it's called?), holding the air, releasing it slowly.
2. First the diaphragm, breathing in realy slow, than slowly filling lungs and holding the air for abit and releasing it.
3. Filling only the diaphragm slowly untill it's full, golding the air for a bit, then releasing it slwoly.

some of these work better than the others.

quote:Originally posted by Astralpulse4229829:
Variety,I'm glad that u have tried my method. I hope more & more people try it and tell me about what their experience with it. I'm trying also to develop a method to project while you are on your left or right side. So guys I need more people to try my method and tell me more about it ..

Yours,
Alaa Murad

[Originally posted by Astralpulse4229829:]

WOW, this methode is great!!!!
I'vw tried it yesterday, and in about 2 minuets i've reached the point where I am paralyzed, feeling as if I am swirling in 4 different directions at the ssame time. After about 1 minuets, I started to feel disconnection and a slight pull upwards with a lot of resistance.

All this in about 5 minuets.
I've stoped after those 5 minuets, deciding i'll go slow with this methode.

Thanks for posting it.

quote:Originally posted by Astralpulse4229829:
Well , I guess I found an interesting way of getting to the trance state quickly ..

The key in my method is breathing ...

Note: this method involves in holding your breath and you may pass-out-of-consciousness PLEASE DO NOT DO IT IF YOU'RE NOT ADULT OR HAVING OTHER PROBLEMS. However, I did it so many times and I found it not in any way dangerous but you should have some one to watch you while you are trying it for the first time. The idea is to deliver less Oxygen to the brain and causing it to start to consume less and that means you get to the trance state.  

1-start to relax your mussels " use what ever method you do " take long breath 6-10 seconds.

2-take 10 long breathings every one longer than the one before it and then take the longer one until you find no more place to suck air in to it. Not only in your lungs but also in your brain "got to feel the air in the brain " and then hold on as long as you could hold you breathing "it should feels like you are passing-out ".

3- exhales very slowly. And start to breathe normally

4-do some falling techniques for 10 min

5-you could repeat 2-4 to get to the sleeping-paralyze state "and it feel like your body is on drug "


Alaa Murad

[I think that if a long time ago, if someone would say about invisible rays, (radio waves) that passed in the air, he would of been considered a wierd person, untill he would invent a radio machine to prove it.Today, if someone says about any energy, untill he doesn't invent a machine to record it, he would be under the category of phsycic or crazy.]

Originally posted by jilola
The history of science is full of instances where the accepted reality has overruled advance. So I won't hold my breath waiting for te estabilished sscientific community to ccome around and see the psiritual world as something to seriously investigate. It will happen in due time.

I think that anything we can sense, be it physical or spiritual (as in non-physical), is a stepping stone in our progress in this life. Whether it can be used to achieve an OBE or just as a marker or indication that there is a higher reality is a moot point.
It may well be that we can do everything possinble and not achieve a conscious OBE in this life. But this doesn't mean that we can't do it the next time around.
I think that if a long time ago, if someone would say about invisible rays, (radio waves) that passed in the air, he would of been considered a wierd person, untill he would invent a radio machine to prove it.
Today, if someone says about any energy, untill he doesn't invent a machine to record it, he would be under the category of phsycic or crazy.


Oh PS!:: OBEwise. It seems that the vibrations are a requisite of a conscious AP. I've found that a simulacrum of the vibes can be caused by , I don't know how to describe it, contraction of the brain. Strange huh? relax and get into a decent trance state. Then try to squeeze your  skull inwards without tensing your body or head.
Well, would it help??? I know I get a light headhache when I try to do that. Did it help you get out of body or in a lucid dream?
2cents

jouni
Thanks

[Originally posted by jilola:]

Hi,
Thanks for responding.
I'll try to use that sensation again.

I agree with you that there is more then meets the eye,
I think that if science will agree that it doesn't have always the tools or technology to mesure everything, it will be able to research more things.

quote:Originally posted by jilola:
LOL! try it some time, it's not as weird as it sounds.

But if you can reproduce the sensation it's possible that you could use it as a concentration tool to achieve something else.

There are things that come and go in the human body that the medical science has no explanation or cure for. Now could these be problems with the energy body that inhabits the physical? Psychosomatic conditions?
I firmly believe that there is more to us than meets the eye.

PS: I'm not a doctor so anything I've said above is only my personal opinion, not medical advice!!

2cents

jouni

[Originally posted by jilola:]

I prefer not to put a battery on my tongue
"Did you have the thing under your skin before the WILD experiment?"
Yes, I had it for a few weeks.
A week after that WILD, it stoped.

quote:Originally posted by jilola:
Have you ever pressed a battery to your tongue? Te feeling of the pressure point was something like that. A strong tingling pressure.

Did you have the thing under your skin before the WILD experiment?

I don't think the experiences themselves are useful for an OBE (but then again it's a subjective thing so it may work for you) but I do know that she
skills you learned doing the excercises can be used towards an OBE.
And even if an OBE eludes you the experiences themselves have value as proof that the mind (and thus what we are) is much more than the physical world we live in.

2cents

jouni

[Originally posted by jilola:]

Thanks for the quick response.

Well, I don't know if this helps,
In one of my WILD (Wake Initiated Lucid Dreams) attempts, Using a little crystal, a point that moved in my body where every I wanted it to go.
It required a little thought and control over the movement, but I had control over it. The nice thing is that at some point, the crystal created another sensation of a tears coming out of it, moving on my chest to a point where I had a small thing under my skin that was there a long time getting a bit bigger.
I thought it was a tumor. A week after this experience, it vanished!!!

Now I thought that if I can reproduce these feelings, I can use it for getting out of body?

quote:Originally posted by jilola:
Have faith then! I know for a fact that after that comes an OBE! Just the other night I got separated enough to turn around while my physical body stayed completely still. This was preceded by some mild sound effectss and a weird pressure point moving arround my body.
Two nights ago I hheard the most amazing cacophony I can imagine and totally got lost listening to it. I klnow that I could have projected then but the experience was too overwhelming at the time.

The thing seeems to be not trying to move at al. You'll know when you're out and if you don't get the feeling at least you've ahd a good lesson in self control and concentration http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

We appear to be stuck at the same stage here http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_cool.gif" border=0>
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jouni

[Originally posted by jilola:]

Thanks for responding.

Well, I'm not a newbie to the subject, I am intrested in lucid dreaming for a few years.
But all these most of the time, When I lie down and focus, not going anywhere far. I can lie for hours getting only to a sleep paralysis,
and if I try to move, I move my real body because the thought of movement stops the sleep paralysis.

quote:Originally posted by jilola:

quote: Lying down and concentrating a lot doesn't take me anywhere, I seem to have a problem in concentrating. I've tried many methodes, ebergy raising techniques that seemed to work, I felt bigger than my body or smaller,
felt my legs are hovering, but never got completely out of my body.

Keep at it! Just work on relaxing, calming your mind and being able to concentrate on one single goal of getting out. This seems to be the gistof every technique I've come upon. I fail at the concentration bit. My mind starts to wander just when I'm about to exit.

Passing out due to oxygen deficit may help whenyou come to and are groggy but that's not a good way IMHO. Besides I haven't read any account of a successful AP using this method.

Just keeep it simple.

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jouni

[Originally posted by Tom:]

Well, then this brings a few more questions.
What is a good methode to go out of body?
Is a Lucid Dreams a better starting point thatn to go first out of body?
I read the technique of decreasing the air to the brain technique in the message: "Try this trance methode" (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=&TOPIC_ID=1527)
I know I almost fainted once doing something very similar, but I've stoped my self a second befor I did. Is it safe? Will I keep breathing after I faint?
I want to try it but is afraid.

Lying down and concentrating a lot doesn't take me anywhere, I seem to have a problem in concentrating. I've tried many methodes, ebergy raising techniques that seemed to work, I felt bigger than my body or smaller,
felt my legs are hovering, but never got completely out of my body.

Does any one know a similar problem or can help me?

Thank you.
Variety.

quote:Originally posted by Tom:
The method I read about for converting a lucid dream to astral projection was to go back to the body in the dream without waking up and then leave it. It sounded like a really difficult method. Just being lucid is hard for me.