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#1
Welcome to Dreams! / Re: precognitive dream?
August 18, 2011, 07:56:53

Hi astraladdict

Thanks. To be honest, the dream had no special quality that I can remember of. It was just a dream, which I found clear and easy to recollect as it happened in the last REM period.
I agree with you that emotion (as you say 'how cool will that be') must definitely play a role. There seems to be some paradox though between the logical need for willpower (keep on trying) and at the same time a certain detachment... I suppose that's why someone can have its first LD/OBE/Precognition spontaneously after discovering about the subject, and then have a hard time replicating it: the first time, the person was excited and detached of expectation (I sure did not have an expectation in my case since I did not even try), but then tries to 'push through' another occurrence with willpower...

EoL
#2
Well done Ryan!

I enjoyed reading your post. I should give a try on this rundown technique... Can I ask you about this:

QuoteI woke up after only getting about 5 1/2 hours of sleep. I tried to stay away, had a few cups of coffee, But it wasn't happening, So i passed out on the couch.

Do you know how long you staid up? 10mn, 30mn, an hour ?

Quote...Eventually, as i drifted into sleep, I noticed the patch of grass i was visualizing....was VERY VIVID.......I was now looking at it

Did you have a sense of having been asleep for some time between your last 'I'm dreaming' thought and the moment you saw vividly the patch of grass? Or would you say it was a quick transition?

EoL
#3
Welcome to Dreams! / precognitive dream?
August 17, 2011, 07:56:43

Hi,

some time last week of July, can't remember exactly which day it was, I watched an interview of Chris Robinson (I guess it was a replay). He claims to be able to get data in dreams about events occuring the next day in waking life. He allegedly got interest from the police too.
Intrigued, I remember reflecting at night on this fascinating subject, and thinking that it would be great to experience a precognitive dream. Not for the data itself, but to get some validation about the reality of this phenomena. Anyway, it was just a thought, I never had one and didn't plan on trying to get one.

Monday 1st August in the last REM period, I have the following dream
"""
I'm in the bathroom of a public institution, presumably a school, with my brother. I know somehow that the room has been neglected by administration (lack of budget?). My brother and I volunteer to get it back to a usable state. I'm standing in the middle of a giant bath and start wiping out lots of dirt off it. My brother points to the siphon [not sure of the term in english, basically the point where water gets evacuated out of the bath] and tells me that "it's all broken down there". He dives and disappears quickly through the siphon to do the repair. Someone from administration comes in. He's very happy about our work, and tells us that we deserve a reward.
"""
Monday 1st August, at around noon (waking life), I'm going on holiday and I take a train to Gatwick airport. The train unexpectedly slows down just before East Croydon station, until it comes to a halt for a long time. Finally the train driver gives us bad news: a water main has burst, flooding the tracks! The train eventually resumes its course slowly and reaches East Croydon, at which point we are told that no train will go further and we'll have to seek an alternative route. Just for the story, people were stranded there in a long queue to grab a cab, I was lucky to hop soon after into a cab with 3 other people, but missed my flight anyway and ended up waiting 6 hours in the airport...
It stunned me when I remembered the dream I had earlier that morning. About the diving theme, I can explain it easily: my brother and I did scuba diving during our holiday, this was planned and known to me before the dream occured. But why did I dream about going through a siphon in a public institution to do repairs? I could have dreamt many other things that would make more sense, such as finding a ship wreck, or a monster underwater, finding gold, colored fish, maybe a siren :-) etc.
Obviously, the fact that I also reflected upon precognitive dreaming shortly before seems to give weight to the idea that this dream was indeed of a precognitive nature. That woud be my first! As I said, I did not try to get one though. Me wondering what conditions lead to such occurences...

Yours,
EoL
#4
Welcome to Dreams! / Re: 2 and a half years later...
September 09, 2010, 16:28:57
Hi radman32

my sight was limited only in the first part of the dream, where I was moving in strange ways. Then in a second part when I'm observing the couples, my vision is perfectly clear and I stand in the room like I would do in waking life.

I take your point that control of the lucid dream isn't necessarily the best experience. I'd agree with that - I'm often amazed by what the mind (or a upper-mind?) can create in usual dreams, shaping such intricate scenes...  On the other hand, how amazing also (and useful) would that to be capable to control and shape all aspects with the conscious mind! I'm wondering to what extent can a skilled LDer do that. It's been a long while since I haven't read on the subject!

Editing:   more importantly, what would you recommend about my 2nd question in previous post? What would be an efficient ways to "activate" my other senses? I remember reading about shouting Clarity Now! - but in my case vision was clear.

Thanks
EoL
#5
Welcome to Dreams! / Re: 2 and a half years later...
September 09, 2010, 14:26:00
Thanks for your comments Stookie

What you say makes sense, I should probably intend to do something - on this one, I didn't expect a lucid dream at all...
2 questions I'd like to ask you please:
- is this common that whole aspects of the dream cannot be changed by willpower, or would you that this only a question of training?  Said differently, can a expert LD control, change or summon virtually anything?
- how can I activate all senses in the dream? In this lucid dream I had only visual perception...

Regards
EoL
#6
Welcome to Dreams! / 2 and a half years later...
September 07, 2010, 00:29:10
Hi all

I can't believe it's been 2 and a half years since my last post..! It's not just lucid dreamers who fly, time can do that too :-)

The reason I'm back today is because I just had a spontaneous LD experience, significant to me (I would have to reread my own posts to remember when was last time it happened!). Here it is:

"""
I'm moving through darkness in an undefined context/direction, I simply experience movement and intermittent views of a R&B band playing. Looks like the band is well aware of me watching, and is actually showing something to me purposedly. it also seem they control my progression somehow. Some darkness again.... then I very clearly see 2 black couples, the guys are sitting on a chair, and they're holding the girl's hand/hips, they're simply chilling out and with a slightly sensual feel to the scene. I look at them, not sure what I'm supposed to do, so I simply observe each of them. I observe to myself "I'm the only white guy around" (ie also relatively to the band I saw before too) then I think "these couples have fun....why am I here?". At that point I get a clear realization "...oh, that's because it's a dream!". I look at them and repeat "yeah, of course, I'm in a dream right now". So I thought I should be able to effect a change on one of them. So I focus my attention on one of the girls and start expecting some change happening. Nothing in particular,  but ... something particular must happen :-)  my reasoning at that pointis that since I'm clearly aware I'm dreaming then the environment should change at my will. The characters aren't distracted much by my realization though and hardly look at me. So I try to make them realize this too, without any sucess. I realize too the illogicality of trying to convince them (since they are dream characters)  and start repeating to myself "it's a dream, something should happen because it's a dream", like a mantra, also because I don't want to loose such lucidity and to wake up. As I do that, one of the guys start echoing my thoughts repeating after me. I experience some brief instability and wake up.
"""

This experience is definitely unusual to me. I would 'normally' experience some kind of transition in my environment or body feelings upon reaching some form of lucidity.

What would you do in that situation? What should I do to sink more deeply in the dream and make something happen? I'm a bit puzzled because my realization and clarity was definitely there. Exciting experience, gets me right back into the subject of lucid dreaming!

Thanks,
EoL
#7
Welcome to Dreams! / 'dark room' software
February 11, 2008, 15:52:15

just in case someone might find it useful

http://they.misled.us/dark-room

it's a notepad that is displayed full screen, with a green font over a black background.
Combined with your laptop left in sleep mode, it's a quick way to record your dream without the uncomfortable brightness when you wake up at night.
Simple and free.

Eagle



#8
hey zorgblar, I've read that book too. I don't remember, it's a long time ago, but I know it was a good one.

Stookie, nice dream! The chase sounds exciting... Would be cool to get lucid and feeling the chase even more.

Thanks guys for your comments, I appreciate.

Eagle

#9

Hello

zorgblar, thanks for your suggestion. That reminds me of Laberge's idea of repeating to oneself before falling asleep to get lucid at next dream.
Have you ever managed to dream of flying or to dream a particular topic doing that? I should give it a try.

What I would be even more interested is a testimony/technique from someone who repeatedly manage to induce a flying dream using a particular technique.

By the way, Stookie, this morning I dreamed of playing a video game  :-D  I haven't played any flying game in real life yet, but somehow your idea found its way into my dream :) So, I dreamed I was in a games centre, sat down on a kind of rotating stool whose height can be adjusted. Suddenly I'm off balance, the stool rotates faster and faster, and I shout for staff's help as I got higher and higher to the point of actually flying and rotating close to the ceiling. At that point, I feel the OBE symptom but I wake up instantaneously, undoubtedly because the feeling is too disorientating.

I think the key for me to entry and sustain separation/lucidity is to have an unidirectional flying, whatever the dreamed body position is. In some past experiences, I projected/LDed by dreaming of being in a horizontal position and flying upwards or downwards too. As long as the move is not too disorientating like a rotation...



#10

Thanks Stookie. Yes your idea makes sense..I should try that.

In your experience, have you felt that dreaming about flying helped produce lucidity/OBE?

#11

Hi

I'd like to ask you if you know of any great technique on how to dream about flying in a normal dream ?   (i'm not asking about techniques on how to fly in a lucid dream)

The thing is that I've noticed that I tend to naturally get lucid/OBE if I simply dream about flying.

Little sharing of last morning's experience if you're interested, took place @ 8 am.
I was dreaming that I was in a place separated by a small barrier/frontier, one side was more for humans, one other more for animals (but animals who can speak and behave like humans). I was talking to a few of them across the frontier, I freaked out a bit as an impressive bull standing nearby told me something touching my chest with his leg kind of defiantly. But I discovered soon he was not bad at all, those animal-humans where kind of cool actually. So decided to fly over the barrier. Then I remember something about ordering something there, coffee or something, and away for a moment, I see the coffee has disappeared. I noticed 2 animal-humans giggling, I suspect they wanted to play with me, again not in a bad way. Anyway, I decide to fly back to the human side. As I do that, my flying takes for a few seconds a clear and slow continuous motion as I see myself moving past a tree. After just a few seconds noticing that, I recognized a distinct OBE-like symptom (leaving the body with a kinesthetic feeling like removing some food from a plastic container), I got lucid and thought "just go with it!".

I'm right then propulsed high speed forward, in a standing position, flying straight ahead, then gently slowing down and describing a soft curb downward as if pulled by gravity. Landscape around is blurry, can't see solid matter. In the last few meters, I open the arms widely, still standing, happy and smiling, saying "Guides, would be good to get to know you". No sign, so thought I should be able to manifest something I want in that state, and said "allright let's go to a place where there're lots of women" :-D  but then quickly caught myself and actually thought "No, I want to do something for my personal development". Then, for an unknown reason, I freaked out that the experience somehow could affect my physical body and decided to stop. My vision got distorted by some black moving patches and right after woke up in bed.

I know that Robert Monroe was talking about dreaming he was flying in a plane as a way to trigger lucidity/OBE. 
I think the key for me is noticing myself flying in a slow and continuous motion. Do you guys notice that too? 
And more importantly, do you know a reliable way to simply dream about flying?

Thanks for any suggestion
Eagle
#12
Hi all

my last post was some 10 months ago... :roll:   Thing is, I've stopped experimenting since a long time, on purpose, wanting to focus on earthly life matters. It feels great to pause at times, really. Also, my views shifted quite a lot in the way I approach the (so-called) paranormal subjects, I'm more than ever inclined to get evidence before drawing conclusions. My nickname sounds too 'new agey' for my taste btw, but it's ok I'll keep it anyway for now!

I'm still passionate about this subject though, as ever. Something happened spontaneously this morning, so I want to share it here, I didn't forget how great this forum is. You might find some interest.

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I'm in a work office with colleagues. A green light is projected and takes the shape of a dog, once complete it gets animated and behave like real, coming to us, giving joy and affection. I can feel the contact of the dog and play briefly with him before he goes to another person. A colleague explains to me that when the pet of a coworker dies, the owner can ask the company to generate this temporary holographic projection as a way to say goodbye to friends on behalf of the beloved pet. [I never encountered such idea before, how strange...  obviously the dream scene is futurist.].  I'm aware that holographic projection is normally used by the company for normal business purposes such as remote meetings. The pet leaves out from view, and to lighten up after the emotional farewell, we start joking about using such projections to annoy people we don't like, and eventually keep laughing at imagining such scenes.
[I wake up, almost laughing. I realise I'm lying on my back, my right foot crossed over my left foot. I don't move at all, except my eyes, and wonder what time is it...]
I find myself involved in an experiment along with other subjects. I'm aware that an instructor follows my progression. I can't see him, I hear him in my thoughts somehow. The experiments consists of making us travel through different patterns of tunnel-like shapes, in a specific position, and see what we get from the disorientating effects. For my part, I'm travelling downwards, head first in a kind of helicoid tunnel made of some sort of grid patterns. I'm falling down along the contours of the tunnel but without touching them. The colors are orange-yellow-ish and soft. The position and movements feel weird but I'm OK with it. Eventually, I reach a large empty room made of the same grid and colours, my head doesn't crash on the floor, instead I'm stopping smoothly there in suspension. I resume a normal standing position but feel quite disorientated. The instructor reminds me that I'm also in my bed at home right now [This is intriguing, he actually invites me there to get lucid and indeed I reach some lucidity in the dream now as I remember that I'm sleeping in real life]. Then he asks me to reinforce the realization that I exist now at 2 places simultaneously, also by taking profit of the state of spatial disorientation I'm in. [at that point I understand that the experiment is about inducing OBE through some sort of disorientation]. I do so, and soon after starts feeling OBE symptoms. I try then to cross the wall of the room but encounters a resistance building up the more I push myself through it. I can't make it through and have to give up. I start going into a lying down position, thinking that pushing downwards would help reinforce the separation. The instructor tells me quickly that's a bad idea, I would terminate the experiment by doing so. So I resume promptly in a standing position, and decide to get some speed before crossing the wall. I start flying and...off I go! I melt briefly with the wall then find myself in a room inside a house. [The look is like any normal physical room you find in a house, I can see sunlight going through the windows]. I don't take time to look, I just fly through 2 more walls, happy that I did it and thinking 'now I'm out-of-body!'.
[I wake up, here again I'm lying on my back, my right foot still crossed over my left foot. Time: 7.55am.]
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The feeling of flying is so real and pleasant! I've had a few other short episodes in the past when my awareness was better, as clear as awake, and the OBE symptoms more pronounced, but still some nice and unusual feelings (and ideas) were definitely present here this morning. This puts me in a really good mood :-)  Despite dropping experimentation, I see that the phenomena is still at reach of hand.

Reminds me too of this idea that we would be involved in learning activities at some point during sleep. Would that be a reality?...

I don't know why it happened this morning. Unusual thing last night is no TV at all, I gave it to a friend yesterday as I'm moving soon. Just watched something which interested me on youtube, I discovered the Hang Drum, the sound is beautiful and so relaxing... check this out if your curious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Axctmwm7KQ  . Also I received a mail from the Monroe Institute just as I was about to go to bed. Maybe that context planted a seed for OBE...

Thanks for reading my little episode, hope you enjoyed it. Any comment is welcomed, of course.

Yours,
Eagle
#13
Quote from: SelskiMerde   :lol:
Sarah, your french is perfect!  :lol:

tiens, je serais curieux de savoir combien de francais nous sommes sur le forum!  [curious about how many french here]
well, we should start a poll  :razz:

Eagle of Light (<= french but glad to be in London for now!)
#14
Welcome to Dreams! / mine
January 30, 2006, 16:01:21
Hello

I find it really interesting that we could explore probable futures in dreams.

I'd love to read one of those dreams you had if you want to share some about it?

Yours,
Eagle of Light
#15
Welcome to Dreams! / a "lucid dreaming" dream
January 30, 2006, 15:44:20
Interesting.
So, one can become lucid and yet feeling somewhat dizzy...

SO...I may say that I had my first full lucid dream  :roll:  weee

I must admit nevertheless that I envy those who get a high lucidity and have fun in the dream environment! Must be such an experience to talk to dream characters in that state.
#16
Welcome to Dreams! / a "lucid dreaming" dream
January 29, 2006, 14:08:16
Hello

Thank you for your nice comments!

What makes me feel uneasy to say that it was a lucid dream is that I suppose that a lucid dream requires that you are fully aware in a dream environment, as if you were fully awake but in a new environment. Is this right or not?

I have never had a full lucid dream, I mean that I've never became lucid (fully aware) and said to myself : "wow, I'm lucid! Now what will I do?". Here in this experience, I think that I was close to this, but I did not awake afterward saying to myself "oh god, I made it! I was fully awake/aware in the dream!"

Usually (<= that's a big word  :lol:), when I become lucid in the sense that I am fully awake/aware, I invariably remember that I'm lying in a bed then I quickly enter a kind of OBE, that is I start to separate from my body, with distinct feelings. Then I wake up and have absolutely no doubt that I was in the process of projecting.

So, your comments point out the question I've asked above: does lucid dreaming means that you become fully aware/awake in a dream environment?

Yours,
Eagle of Light
#17
Welcome to Dreams! / a "lucid dreaming" dream
January 25, 2006, 19:06:22
Hello

I'm sharing this experience in Dreams, because it felt like a dream. But a peculiar one.

I  dreamed that I was under a table, trying to hide from a kind of monster. I knew that it was eventually going to find me *again* [yet I can't remember of any dream with the same scenario].

I suddenly realized it was a dream and that I could change it [So we could say I became lucid; yet I can't remember to feel as awake as when I become lucid, it feels more like dreaming about becoming lucid]

I stood up and looked directly at the monster with some gentle and loving look and...the monster vanished. Happy with that, I thought "Great, I now can do everything I want!". Aware that it would certainly not last long, I hurried up to try out every abnormal things I should be able to do in that state [I've never had a full lucid dream nor a full OBE so far, so it was a good opportunity]

First I tried to push my right hand in a physical object. Encountering some resistance, it eventually sinked through it, leaving me with a weird and fun feeling in my hand. Satisfied, I thought than I should then be able to walk across a wall. A bit hesitating, I approached the wall and...melted with it. The feeling was even weirder, covering my whole body. Then, standing outside [of a house I used to live in, not my current house] I thought that I should be able to fly to the roof. So I jumped and I easily reached the roof. [Then I woke up]

The overall quality of all this was that of a dream. In some way, I dreamed that I became lucid and that I tried some experiments.
Or was it a real lucid dream which I eventually dismissed as a dream? I can't say. But it was fun!  :razz:

Yours,
Eagle of Light
#18
Hello Sarah

That's always a pleasure to read from you.

Quote from: SelskiThat's interesting.  And in English - strange.  Did you pick up any impressions from the voice?  I tend to know the gender/age and how friendly they are.  Was it said to you?  Or just said out loud?  I often hear voices just before/during separation and most of the time they are not connected to me.

I really could not say the gender. It seemed neither male or female.
My impression was that the voice was friendly.  And said to me, also because in my dream I was talking and thinking of myself using "I".
There's something I forgot to mention is that the "you" was very briefly distorted in the beginning, it really sounded like a radio whose frequency was adjusted, in some way the "y" was distorted and the "ou" (and of course the second word 'move') was clear. So, thinking about it, it might be that I had to reach a certain level of separation from my body to be able to hear, I possibly heard only the end of a sentence.
Now, as you say it may be that the voices are definitely not connected to me and the same kind of alterations that occurs in the hypnagogic state.

About the "cracking" sound, it felt like being unwrapped from the body. Despite this is smooth, it's quite a weird feeling to separate, isn't it :smile:

Many thanks for the comments you've made, it was interesting to read.

Yours,
Eagle of Light
#19
Hello

I had a little spontaneous start of OBE this morning. Spontaneous, because I've stopped all OBE/LD training since 1 month ~ 1 month and half, feeling the need to ground more. I had no intention to resume (and still don't have for now). The only unusual thing I did that night was that I sincerely prayed for help before drifting off to sleep, asking that guides help me during my sleep time (but not for OBE stuff)

This morning at 6:30am, I found myself dreaming about OBE. I was flying out-of-body in a kind of garden, trying to avoid being seen by some people. At one point, I became lucid and realized that my astral legs were rising above my bed, so I got them back feeling the position a bit weird. Quickly resuming the dream, I met a friend who told me about his nice progress in intuitive practices. I thought to myself "wow that's cool... and me, I haven't even managed to do an OBE yet!". So I decided that after all I could do it now. I became lucid straight away and felt my whole astral body clearly detaching from my right side and rising, accompanied by a very soft "cracking" sound. Also my vision opened and felt as if I was looking with my physical eyes. As I reached what might be 1 meter further, I heard a voice in my head, very clear as if I heard it with my physical ears, it said slowly "You move" (in English despite I'm french). I remember that - funny enough - I found this normal that I could hear non-physical sounds in that state. At that point, I thought that I would certainly project to the garden if I continued (my lucidity probably weakened) so I snapped back gently in my body. I switched on the light, pondering what happened. I noticed that I was very calm.

The weird thing is that I have no conscious remembering of opening my physical eyes as I snapped back. All really felt as if I had projected wide awake with my physical eyes remaining open until the very moment I switched on the light! The transition astral sight/physical sight may have been really prompt. This is the first time something like this happens to me.

Also, about what I heard I'm not sure whether I was encouraged to move away or if this was a remark made to me for another purpose (possibly to warn me).  "Now, move" or "You're moving away" would have made more sense, don't you think so? Can this be that I distorted the sender's thought? I wonder.

Despite my will to stay away from OBE at the moment, I'm glad that I had this experience. And this adds a little experience to the countless ones in the forum ...  :wink:

Yours,
Eagle of Light
#20
Hello

I got a copy and have just finished reading it.

I appreciated the down-to-earth narration of the author's journey through NDE, OBE and guidance. I found of interest the personal validations he got about the reality of his explorations.

Of course, having participated in a Gateway Voyage program at The Monroe Institute - which was a profound experience for me - I enjoyed as well reading about his experiences there!

Definitely inspiring. Now I look forward to going back to TMI  :listen:

Thanks Adrian for making us discover the book.

Yours,
Eagle of Light
#21
yes, please let me know the URL

Thank you
Eagle of Light
#22
Hello MisterJingo

Thank you for your comment.

I have to admit my ignorance.... what is the voyager mailing list? Is this linked to TMI membership?
#23
Hello

A few days ago, I was thinking again about this "lying on front or back". The fact is that I have some difficulties to relax fully while listening to Hemi-Sync frequencies. Also I can't sleep on my back. And wearing headphones while lying on front is not really practical.

So I decided to... train myself to sleep on my back  :razz:  This way, I believe that I will naturally relax more and more easily in that position.

I don't know if I can override my usual sleeping position but it may be worth giving it a try...  :roll:
#24
Thanks for your kind comments. I'm glad that you appreciate my post.

Of course, as oilfieldpilot likes to highlight, this is a personal experience. Different people experience different things. Nevertheless I keep contact with the friends I met there and I realize I'm not the only one to experience "after-effects"!

You're definitely right oilfieldpilot, don't expect. I should have read your write-up before going there again and again, but... ironically that's really when you experience a mistake that you truly know why you need to avoid it  :smile:
So, allow the experience to unfold before you, be gentle to yourself, have fun and trust that a part of you already knows the bigger scheme in which those experiences take place.

My trainers were Bob H. and Charlene N.

Back on planet Earth? Hmmm... where is it, again?  :wink:

Yours,
Eagle of Light
#25
Hello

Following oilfieldpilot advice (see http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20797) I post my write-up in a separate thread so that people interested by Gateway can find it more easily, also by using the forum Search function. Sorry, I admit it was a bit confusing.

so, here it is:

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Hello!  I'm back! I came back yesterday from Virginia.

I had a WONDERFUL week at TMI. The place is beautiful and filled with love and light. The staff is welcoming until the very end of the program. I met amazing fellow explorers who became new friends. The teaching team is great, gave us space to share and provided assistance without intruding into our personal experiences. Also, the program contents includes along with the tapes some interesting and funny surprises/demos.

I will go back there for another program, no doubt about this!  :grin:

Now, about the right attitude you talked about, well, I must admit it did not last long for me :razz:

The first two days, I really had the right attitude. I relaxed and remained curious about what was going on, yet a bit anxious about the idea that I could be "the one who experiences nothing" (btw, there was no such person). At the very first tape, I noticed that the internal images I got were vivid in comparison with my training at home with the Wave I CD. Also, I felt very relieved as I joined the conference room, because I really connected to the experience and to guidance!
I will not enter into specifics about my experiences because I know now how much this is important that you remain away from expectations and that you "find out for yourself" as Bob Monroe loves to say. I just want to highlight some points for people intending to join the program.

The fact is that as soon as I realized that I was indeed capable to have these experiences, excitation built up amazingly. I began to think "I'm capable!!! I can have these experiences!" which quickly turned into "I'm going to have an OBE this week! I'm sure that I'm going to have an OBE this week!". So, despite the teachers recommendations, I soon found myself trying to trigger an OBE during the following tapes. I would follow the flow the first minutes but as soon as I had the feeling that I was phasing into the internal imagery, I would deliberately try to "push with my mind" in an attempt to go out and to feel separation from my body . This greatly impaired the next experiences. Oftentimes I caught myself far to be relaxed, especially around the head... I began to feel disappointed and anxious.
During one tape, I asked for guidance about why I was no more enjoying fully the new experiences. I then immediately got a very funny picture which shows how much guidance can be humorous: I clearly saw an insect, leaned forward, desperately trying to fly through a bush almost as big as his body, its wing half locked into the leafs! :lol:  :lol:  Indeed, this is exactly what I was doing...

So, I relaxed more and finally was able to get in touch again with the experiences.

So, please, if you intend to join Gateway Voyage, follow the golden rule:
set your intention, then relax, relax, relax. Forget your body. Just observe, be curious and DO NOT try to trigger an OBE. Enjoy, have fun and follow the White Rabbit.......  :cool:
As soon as I followed him again, I sometimes found myself shortly phasing into a vivid imagery, with relief and joy.

Gateway Voyage mentions that OBE is only a part of the program and now, with the various and fun exercises we did, I do understand why. This program is amazing and I do recommend it to you.

From my point of view, I think I was inspired in my last post as I said that the effectiveness of the program is certainly not easy to objectively evaluate. OK I did not get The Great OBE I desired so much. Yet I'm happy, so happy. I do feel change within me. What changed? I don't really know. There is just a deep feeling within me that I need to explore. What I know for certain is that I got new friends and tools to explore further and find out what comes next.

I will end this post with an anecdote: on my trip back to home, I missed my flight connection due to a 1h30 delay of the Charlottesville flight (little tip, be careful with that because I was said it happens quite often). So I had to stay at an hotel. On the way, I met a very gentle woman who missed as well her connection for another flight.  
The following day, I had to wait a loooong time at the airport. I sat down at a gate close to my gate where there was plenty of space available. Shortly after, a guy came and sat just behind me and began to work on his laptop. Grrrr, I just wanted to remain away from computers! So I stood up and went to the other side of the gate to find another seat and... there was the woman! We both displayed a large smile. We got to know each other and I felt that she was relieved (so did I). Actually, she was very anxious about the event and after some time incidentally told me that she wept at the hotel [EDIT: wept, not swept - lol]. We were happy that we met again and spend these long hours together. She explained to me that her husband died very recently (she's much older than I am). She told me about very happy moments she had with her husband, and I could feel her sadness. I felt "attuned" with her. I just said that I was convinced that now her husband was in great peace and happy. I also noticed an even greater motivation in me to join the Lifeline program that may help in making the connection with a deceased person. She showed me two pictures of her family. Looking at one picture of a member of her family, I silently thought "What's his name?" (I was hesitating to ask directly, I don't know why). I immediately received a name in my mind. I turned to the woman and said "This is...?" and she replied, giving the name I had in mind!!!  I was very astonished  :shock: How did I guess the name?
Countless hours later, I finally thank her for the great time as her plane was ready for boarding, went to my gate and eventually joined my plane. I arrived at my seat, sat down and began to talk with my fellow traveler, a man again much older than I am. A very calm and friendly person. He asked me why I came in the US and I decided to tell him about my training to the Institute, expecting that he would do this you-need-a-therapist look at me  :razz:  Surprisingly, it was all the contrary. He was very interested about this and wanted me to tell more about it. He told me that when he was younger, he had a weird experience: he was chatting with a friend then suddenly found himself at the ceiling, watching his body below and promptly snapped back! He said he never knew what it was! So we had very nice conversation about this. He told me as well that in his company, employees have to engage in sessions designed to improve work relationships. Part of the program is about realizing how thoughts can affect people and that mind has indeed some power. They did some experience that concretely demonstrates the power of imagination and intent... Amazing.

Is this only chance that led me to meet these 2 persons..? I just notice that this happened.
So, what I want to convey here is that I believe the effects of the program may go beyond what we first expect.

Hope you enjoyed my sharing about my experience at TMI.

Yours,
Eagle of Light