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i think thats a pretty interesting idea. it'd be fascinating if someone tried, even more so if they succeeded. but then how would you know if it was a ghost in the typical sense, or just another astral being which cant effect the physical world, or even your imagination? it'd be a very difficult thing to confirm

because you were semi-dreaming, maybe the hands cracking your spine is wish-fulfillment on the part of your subconscious? (due to what you said about your spine being crooked). wanting your spine to be straight so you had a dream that it was being fixed

Maybe they dont feel the need to.  if time passes differently in the 'afterlife' they might just think that there's no reason to come back and reassure us because we'll be here in no time, or they might just have a lot to do or dont bother. maybe not all spirits are able to come down.  And if reincarnation is true, a lot of peoples family might be back on earth already.

And anyway, there are a lot of ghost sightings every day, only thing is it doesnt happen with the majority of the population, just go on any ghost website and there'll be lots of accounts of sightings, probably from the same day.

i cant project yet so obviously i cant say anything about this with any kind of accuracy but i imagine the various things in food could have a different effect, but only on the bodies ability to relax and/or a substance which would affect the brain e.g. i should think tea or coffee would make it more difficult, obviously because of the caffeine in your brain, and a large meal would divert a lot of the body's energy to the digestive system rather than letting the body relax for sleep.
Other substances which might affect AP'ing ability could be downers like alcohol which can make people more sleepy but i'm not sure what the limit is before you'd be able to keep your focus.
Something like the psylobin (sp?) in magic mushrooms would have a big effect on your imagination i would think, but as to the actual ability to project i dont know.
Lack of food would make a difference, i know that when i'm very hungry there's little else i can think about other than my hunger.
I don't know what the supposed link with meat and impairing astral projection is all about, does anyone know what is in meat which is meant to make it harder?

I don't personally believe that food could affect the energy body, so i just think that food could only make a difference on the state of the physical body which would inevitably effect the difficulty of projection.

that talk with your subconscious sounds so cool! did its voice sound like you do?  A cool idea would be to ask him about an obscure fact you learnt in school/uni/job but forgot about and see if he remembers stuff you dont?
an that dream with the worms gave me a laugh.
be sure to tell us if he decides to speak to you again!

disability is mostly to do with genes, although sometimes lack of oxygen at birth has the same effects, either way, its a distinctly physical condition so i wouldn't have thought after death the person would be retarded in any way.......but then who knows

well your body becoming heavy is a good sign from what i know, and another good thing is patience, trying too hard isn't going to help things, just relax and take it one day at a time

have you tried a method which involves repeating some kind of mantra along the lines of encouraging yourself to remember dreams, or become lucid, or astral project? I find repeating a sentence or two describing my desire to project is enough to completely occupy my mind, with the bonus that its in my head as i fall asleep.

If you wanted to help a friend quit smoking (which i think is a good enough cause to permit you to do what you've suggested), because when most people project they aren't conscious, you telling him things like  "You must stop smoking, it is damaging your body"  would basically be a suggestion to his subconscious mind, which with enough repetition should begin to affect how his conscious mind feels.  I do not think that something as specific as a trigger like the yellow t shirt idea would work, but i see no reason why suggestion over an extended period of time would not.  Similarly, it may work simply by repeating the phrase to him while he is asleep and you are next to him, either way you would be addressing the subconscious.

Its just like when trying to create the habit of questioning whether you are dreaming while asleep to help you become lucid, it is reccommended you ask yourself very often while awake, and eventually the suggestion reaches your subconscious.

But of course, physical addiction to any kind of chemical is quite strong, so I do not think the suggestion would be enough to make him stop on its own, but if your friend is trying to quit anyway, it might help his willpower.

If you wanted to make someone do something drastic like give you lots of money, or kill someone, a simple suggestion would not work in my opinion, as you are battling against millions of years of instinct and their whole upbringing so far. E.g. it is wrong to kill and you will be severely punished if you do - i don't think the power of suggestion is strong enough to cause someone to act against this strongly ingrained fact.  (well, assuming your friend doesn't already have urges to go and kill someone lol).

Well, that was a bit more long-winded than i intended.
Hope that's food for thought.

Here's the scientific possibility:
As you fall asleep, everything slows down, digestive system, brain activity, nervous transmission, the lot, including breathing.  So i would suggest that this is simply what happens every night, except that because you are aware of the breathing rate changing, your conscious mind makes you aware of it so you breathe more so you can get the oxygen in, when in fact you are getting enough already.

Its like if you were to breathe very slowly and lightly right now, after a while you would have to take deeper and longer breaths to get enough air.

So all i can suggest is to try and go with it, realise that you probably don't have any kind of problems with your lungs or anything like that, and eventually you should get used to it, but this will take time.

Good luck

If one could connect with electrical currents it would make sense, as anyone with a basic understanding of what electrons are would probably agree with.  Electrons are high energy particles, but aren't really particles, but waves/particles at the same time.
So just like how in the physical we interact with energy that has a low vibration (after all, physical matter is just energy), when in a higher energy body we should be able to interact with higher energy 'things' or 'stuff'.

That twitching should just be nerves firing off as the muscles relax for sleep, so if anything I would take those as a good sign, i know that when i get them it coinsides with me becoming more and more relaxed, and its usually about this time i lose feelings in my legs

I read about an experiment performed by (cant remember his name), who used to project to the room where he had put a VERY lively little kitten aptly named Spirit.  The kitten would be bouncy and playing with things in the room, but when he arrived it astral form, she would sit very still and just observe, as if she were very curious about what was in front of her, and this was confirmed by people monitoring her behavior.

He then Put Spirit in a cage in one corner of the room, a hamster in a separate cage in another corner, a terrapin in one corner, and (i think) some kind of bird like a budgie or a parrot in the last.  Only the kitten and hamster showed any kind of reaction.

Maybe by developing your techniques to the point your feel they are perfect, you might find satisfaction by helping other people who cannot learn to astral project (because there is definitely no shortage of us on here), whether that's over this forum or teaching people you know, maybe you could teach your mum and the two of you could go on some pretty amazing holidays!

i think i agree with the idea that if your physical body is dead, what would be able to project down to, but maybe projection to the physical is what ghosts are doing?  It is well documented that people have seen recently departed family members before, but that could be before they leave the physical for good.

Several years ago my cousin's fiance said that while closing down at the social club he used to work in he saw my nan walk out of the ladies to the end of the pool table he was practicing, on wearing one of her favourite dresses, she looked at him, gave a smile, then walked off, clear as day the whole time.

She had died many years before my cousin had met him, so he got the feeling she'd come to check him out  He described the dress to my cousin who recognised the description and showed him a photo of her wearing it and he recognised it.  If indeed it was her this could be an example so a dead person purposely descending to the physical

My projection practice has been very all over the place at the moment because of A level results and sorting out universities etc (goin to lancaster uni this october!), but the few times i did try one method before that all started, i had a little success.

I was using the willpower technique i read about in a book i bought about astral projection, which is basically relaxing then repeating in your head a few sentences along the lines of you i will astral travel, i am ready to leave my body, my astral body is ready to leave, i want to leave NOW!. You are supposed to say it about a dozen times, have a break, then try again, then call it a day, but not much was happening so i did it for longer and i basically started to get the vibrations in my hands and wrists, which felt kinda like when your blood flow has been restricted, except when i moved them afterwards the vibration stopped immediately and i had all my normal feeling, so i know it wasn't that.  Also i had the slight sensations of movement in my head i've had a few times before.

I'm sure the answer is probably yes, but has anyone else had vibrations in a particular part of their body which over time and with practice led to the vibrations spreading?
Cheers everyone

This is a question/suggestion for those who can project (of which i am not) and control where they go.  Has anyone ever tried going to somewhere like Area 51? Or any other top secret places the public aren't supposed to know about?
The idea just randomly popped into my head and i thought someone should give it a go!

One reason I have heard in the past for this is simply that children have been around in the physical for less time than us, and therefore are less deeply connected to it.  Thus their minds are more open to be influenced by the non-physical as well as the physical.

Does anyone think there is anything substantial to that logic? Or have any other ideas why this seems to be the case with children?

I'll try and describe the experience i had when trying mushrooms (the only time i've done drugs, and i only tried them after doing my research and finding out about possible side effects, like a good boy).

3 friends came over to my house after 2 of us had bought Mexicans (recommended for beginners) so the two of us put them in sandwiches and the other two didnt want to try mushrooms.

I'll only describe the parts which may have some relevance, as there were lots of 'phases' in the trip.

2 minor things i'll mention, near the beginning of the trip, i'd been lying down on the ground (after my 'feeling one with nature' phase, which was brilliant!) i stood up and suddenly started feeling REALLY floaty, as if i was levitating or something, and the feeling was increased when i lifted up my arms.
Secondly, near the end of the trip, i had a big identity crisis (which wasn't a bad thing at the time, just confusing), where i was looking in the mirror and i just couldn't fathom the idea that the person i was talking to (yes, i was talking to myself) was the same person as me.  I even took a photo of myself with my phone and showed it to me to try and prove i was the same as the person in the mirror lol.


Anyway, the major feeling during the trip is what i call The Layers:
Imagine watching TV, but that you're inside the TV interacting with the characters.   This being inside of the TV is like the physical reality.  But then imagine after being inside the TV, stepping back from it to realise you're just watching, and experiencing, something which is happening outside of your control on a screen, so that you're just an observer.   Thats what reality was like.  It was like my mind had been pulled back, and that my mind was just watching a 3D interactive TV program.

Very wierd. so it was as if whether my mind was there or not, the physical stuff going on would have been happening anyway, but my mind interacting with the physical is what created the experience.  I dont think this is what the true nature of reality is like, i imagine this was simply my brain getting confused by the psylobin in the mushrooms, nothing more.

(by the way if any of this is unclear just ask me to try and explain it again, as its quite hard to describe)


I've never tried mushrooms since, so i havn't been able to try them while meditating or anything like that, and this was before my interest in projecting, so i dont know if having that on your mind would give a different kind of trip.
I would reccommend that you keep friends with you who aren't trying them, and DO NOT LOCK YOURSELF IN A TOILET!   As my friend who tried them soon discovered, being on your own in a dark bathroom can turn the trip very negative, and you quickly become lost in your own, paranoid/depressing thoughts.

So the important things are to do your research before you try any drugs, especially ones which can affect you like mushrooms.  But fortunately, the only possible side effects (apart from bad trips) are things like nausea, not major at all.  Start off with a low amount, and if they dont work, dont take more! because they take around 30/40 mins to take effect.  And regarding the legality, in England, it isnt illegal to grow/sell/buy/eat mushrooms, but it is illegal to prepare them.  This is a bit of a grey area, but this includes making tea with them, drying them out, putting them in a stew etc.


So go have some safe, responsible fun!

It may be of interest to know that the first evidence of religious practices comes from Neanderthal man and very early homo sapiens, meaning that early humans e.g. homo habilis or homo erectus did not carry out religious practices.
This suggests to me that understanding of a concept of God or of life after death (or even the concept of what it means to die) is a product of gaining more advanced brains.  Which could suggest that God is simply a creation of the mind, (though the reasons for this concept arising are debatable).

But then this isn't necessarily the case, the fact that only more developed homo species show signs of religious practices could just mean that a more complex brain is necessary to experience the god that is always there, so this just a little piece of info you might find interesting.

I thought i would share some experiences me and my family have had which have raised the question to me, why does it seem that children are more sensitive with regards to spirituality? I'll explain what i mean a bit more:

1. When i was a kid i had recurring nightmares all the time (lots of different ones over the years) and i partly remember one, but i only remember right at the end, and i would see a train platform and someone i.e. the person who just scared me half to death somehow, would get on a train and i would see it leave into the distance.   I remember telling my mum about my nightmares and she told me to change them, to influence it so that i wouldn't be scared.  So next time i see the train platform, a policeman chases the person onto the train, and i would get a great sense of relief knowing the person was captured (as a kid i think people look up to policemen and their crime-fighting abilities more than when you're an adult), and that i had made the policeman appear.

2. I used to have recurring lucid dreams.  One i had a lot was that it would be dusk, and as it turned dark I (being a Gargoyle) would break out of the stone that covered me and I'd go gliding from building to building, controlling where i went myself.

3. Another one was that I used to fly above my old house in Liverpool (i had these dreams while i was living there) and i thought i was a bird because of the swooping flying motion, but i realize now that i never actually saw my body, birdlike or not, so i think this recurring 'dream' was actually a series of OBEs.

4. This i find very interesting, and i plan on asking her about this when i see her next.  My little cousin (technically this is my second cousin i'm talking about, my cousins daughter) who is 7 now but i think was about 5 at the time, was in my grandads kitchen visiting him with her mum and aunty (my family all live very close to each other so see each other all the time) when she suddenly said "Theres nanny Irene" (or something similar to that effect).  When her mum asked her what she meant, she simply stated that Nanny Irene was standing near them in the kitchen.   Now this nanny Irene is my nan who died when I was 6 (would be my cousins great grandmother), which means that my cousin never met her.  But yet out of the blue she said she could see her, and she has never made up something like this before or since, and I am inclined to believe her.


Any ideas?

This story may also be of interest:
My nan (the same Irene) appeared to my cousins partner (i.e. my little cousins dad) a few years after they'd been together.  But this was more 'ghostly' because he was in the social club he used to work at, at the end of the day when no one else was left there, and he was practicing pool waiting for someone from the security company to come and fix the window shutters which were stuck. Then a woman wearing a black dress came out of the ladies toilets, walked to the end of the pool table and looked at him and smiled, then walked back.  He went home and described the experience and the description of the dress and the woman was recognized by my cousin, and she showed him a photo of our nan in the black dress she used to wear, which he said was the same person, and the same dress.

They think that nan was just coming to check out the father of her great granddaughter, as she wasn't alive when he came on the scene.



I think father and daughter both seeing raises questions either about nan's dedication to keeping watch on the family (which has always been very close), or that maybe being sensitive to such things runs in families?

Also, has anyone else had experiences with children or family members experiencing this sort of things?

People can see all sorts of things when they're in this half sleeping kinda stage.  This includes the 'old hag' phenomenon and seeing ghosts at the foot of your bed. Hallucinations caused by the mind dreaming while the person is awake is one of the current explanations of people 'experiencing' alien abductions, so what you see depends partly on the culture you live in and influences you may have had in your own life. These particular experiences often coincide with sleep paralysis, which can easily turn them into frightening experiences.
So chances are, in my opinion, that he is 'seeing' this guide, because he may have read about them, and may even expect to see something like this, and as such this is what his mind might create.  If he lived in South America (I think Ecuador specifically, but don't quote me), it is likely he would have seen a flying cycloptic dwarf, because that is what the culture of the area influences people to see when they're in that state.

So that's the psychological explanation, and a lot of research has been done into this area so i for one agree with things like this being all in the head.

take a look in the FAQ section as it has various techniques and the basic principles behind astral projection.
good luck

Milk,
Regarding Jesus being enlightened, he could have simply been one of the many mystics that were around at the time, who often used hallucinogens to experience the divine.  This doesn't neccessarily render the experience invalid, (just as to gain an aerial view of a city requires the unusual state of elevation via aircraft) but drugs could have been the route he used, rather than meditation.

Regarding Mary as a virgin, there is a theory which i think makes a lot of sense, which is that Jesus was conceived in the usual way, but when Jesus was born, the moon (or whatever reference points astrology uses) was seen in the constellation Virgo, and since at the time astrology and the night sky was important to people and their understanding of how the order of the world worked, this would have been significant enough for Jesus' parents to remember.  Eventually over time, and probably to aid the relevant gospel writers' political agenda (i.e. to help gain support/members for the believers in Jesus who were being banned from the synagogues and generally treated badly by mainstream Judaism at the time) this became distorted to 'Jesus was born of a virgin'.

I think you have quite an interesting theory there, and as far as most biblical scholars are concerned, Jesus did believe he had a divine purpose in some way or another, and this is just one possible explanation of why he may have believed this.  

I should say is that you should be careful not to become too involved in your own ideas for the (probably not fully conscious) purpose of making Christianity relevant again.

Good luck with your faith, your initial situation was definitely something that i can relate to.

Hi everyone.
I've been into astral projection for just over a month, and i think i'm on the way because i remember loads more dreams than i ever did.

In the middle of A2 exams at the mo which sucks (gonna have 2 chemistry exams on my birthday, its just not fair).  But then after the 28th i'm finished with school forever, and with the summer holidays starting i'll have lots of time to focus on meditation and stuff, so hopefully in the not too distant future i'll have some kind of wierd trance experience to share.

This is my MSN space for anyone who might want to use up a bit of their time    http://spaces.msn.com/members/mpeters87/

I wonder if theres anyone here hoping to start at Sheffield university in September?

Anyway, so why do i want to astral project?  I guess there are a few reasons, one of them being that after doing philosophy in school I definitely don't believe in life after death, that course has definitely messed with my head, but in a good way i think.  So in that respect astral projection would be the sort of experience which would stop me being terrified by the prospect of death lol.

Good luck to everyone else who is beginning this process


Also, for anyone who may be interested I am going to keep a timeline of my progress working towards astral projection, and if there is interest (as there seems to be as several members have asked others how long it can take to project) i will post it when i (hopefully) fully astral project.