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Has anyone seen the movie they made based on his books?
If so what did you think?

a few paintings from a couple of years back

Its been a while since I've posted but...



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I somehow have a feeling that we tend to meet people in the Astral or dreamworld before we actually meet them in this dimensional reality.
Somewhat like a preparatory introduction or energy transference between souls before the actual meeting takes place.
The only way I can explain it without maybe sounding a little weird, is that our overself makes arrangements with other overselves to put our selves in positions with other people that will best create the lessons or situations needed to deal with karma.

I've had quite a few lucid dream meetings with people, that when meeting up with them in this reality,brings about the intense sense of deja vu'.
One reason I probably don't seem to recognize these people straight away is because their physical bodies are in different guises, but once you bond a little with these people you can sort of tell from there auric energy that they have the same presence about them.

I've often read that our overselves have arranged to have multiple selves in existence at the same time, to be able to increase overall awareness, live out our karmic patterns quicker so that we can evolve at a quicker rate, and deal with our karma before the end of the current planetary cycle.
Sort of makes sense when you consider how many APer's talk about having a consciousness transference into what seems to be an alternate reality/life.

Goodspeed..... have some pretty emotive songs. Great stuff : :thumbsup:

Just a matter of curiosity,

What song best describes that perfect moment, where all things blend into one, and no other thought can distract you from that everlasting now?

Mister Jingo I can see your viewpoints and agree with them. I'm taking the more liberal stance that as human trying to understand the divine principle running through all things, there is no known possibility that we can ever get natures laws mapped out with 100% accuracy. We tend to look at things within too small a frame of reference.
I understand as human thought has evolved to include more holistic approaches to things as time goes by, but how do you get a holistic view of the infinite.

I've become more interested in QM only because of a prior interest in spirituality. I've gone from seeing the single synchronous events happening within my life as the cogs in a larger network of turning wheels of cause and effect .Sure as each event happens my picture becomes more and more focused as to the larger web of the grand design. but I guess it what we don't know(and our striving to make the unknown known) that makes us strive to become more conscious, and more aware, beings

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It was about quantum mechanics, not neurology (and thats ONE neurologist out of thousands around the world?). The physicists that were quoted accurately were still used to 'support' the film. People would naturally assume that since one part of what was said was accurate, the whole film was accurate.
I'm "throwing away the baby with the bathwater" because the baby gives the impression that all the bathwater is accurate.[/quote]

The film wasn't just about quantum mechanics. It was about quantum mechanics in relation to our perception and the way we live our lives.
Our lives = everything.Quantum mechanics doesn't exist in a vacuum.

Dingo , probability isn't governed by rock solid laws. If that were the case the would be definites, not probables.
The laws themselves are just the best information we can succinctly piece together at the time, from a whole heap of other 'most probables(not definites).
This forum should be proof enough, that what society has often thought of as 'rock solid'.......... isn't.
As time goes by physicists have amended and added to these laws to make certain laws closer to the 100% mark.It wasn't all that long ago that scientists thought atoms were solid.

I agree with the point that 'What the bleep do we know?' may have been misquoted. That's the media, It will MOST PROBABLY never change.
I don't think the baby gives the impression the bathwater is accurate.
I think the baby with its limited viewpoint, has offered something to get people to think about the nature of reality.
What is accuracy?What is deemed accurate to one person may not be to another. Place a magnifying glass over it and you are still  further from the mark than you were before.

(as stated in 'what the bleep do we know?')

You might as well quote from snow white and the seven dwarfs, it's just as factually accurate.

Tell me anything within quantum mechanics that is factually accurate. If were going by the notion of quantum mechanics being the science of possibilities, everything is gray, nothing is black and white.
Quantum mechanics opens up to the notion that everything and nothing is possible at the same time. It is just throwing around abstract notions until someone hits upon something that works better in theory than an existing ideal.
Matter of fact that is just science and maybe life in general.

As far as I understand the principle behind the extra dimensions(as stated in 'what the bleep do we know?'), is partly due to the belief that all energy within an atom (string particle) isn't static.
They've found reason to believe that energy pops in and out of existence(in these 4 dimensions anyway), quarks, neutrinos, electrons, nuclei, travel across dimensions only to come into existence in this dimension as soon as we the 'observer' relate to it on some level through one of our senses.
As to why the belief of 12 dimensions, I'm not to sure.
12 SOUNDS A LITTLE LIMITING TO ME!
I was watching a doco by NOVA about the whole string theory phenomena.
They related the extra dimensions as if an ant were walking along a stretched piece of string. the ant moving forward from one spot brings it into the second dimension. if it were to rotate around the wire as it was moving it would be in the third dimension.
Imagine if the ant were to stumble across a loop the loop along its forward travels;apparently theres another three dimensions there, and if it hit another loop the loop on the first loop the loop its just run into another three dimensions.

now the first three dimensions, plus time makes four dimensions. four dimensions X3 ( straight tube ,plus two loops) will give you twelve.
That was there explanation of it .
I understand it, but I don't see why this couldn't be an infinite paradox.
you could take it to the Nth degree.

I had a similar thing with the binaural beats, after listening to them and the noise stopped, a continuation of a high pulsing sound seemed to linger on in my hearing.
I'm guessing it could be an after sound.
It's similar to looking at something for a long length of time and then looking away, you can see an outline of the image still in your focal plane.Except with this its with sound, not light


sometimes it can just be that you've had the volume up to loud.,....

After dying and coming back, I really respect life and death. In our DNA
experiments we may have opened the door to a great secret. Soon we will be able to live as
long as we want to live in this body. After living 150 years or so, there will be an
intuitive soul sense that you will want to change channels. Living forever in one body is
not as creative as reincarnation, as transferring energy in this fantastic vortex of energy
that we are in. We are actually going to see the wisdom of life and death, and enjoy it.

           As it is now, we have already been alive forever. This body that you are in, has
been alive forever. It comes from an unending stream of life, going back to the Big Bang and
beyond. This body gives life to the next life, in dense and subtle energy. This body has
been alive forever already.

                       "We are going to link up, hold hands, and walk out of hell
together." - Mellen-Thomas Benedict

One of my questions to the light was, "What is heaven?"

           I was given a tour of all the heavens that have been created: the Nirvanas, the
Happy Hunting Grounds, all of them. I went through them. These are thought form creations
that we have created. We don't really go to heaven; we are reprocessed.  But whatever we
created, we leave a part of ourselves there. It is real, but it is not all of the soul.

           I saw the Christian heaven. We expect it to be a beautiful place, and you stand
in front of the throne, worshipping forever. I tried it. It is boring!  This is all we are
going to do? It is childlike. I do not mean to offend anyone. Some heavens are very
interesting, and some are very boring. I found the ancient ones to be more interesting, like
the Native American ones, the Happy Hunting Grounds. The Egyptians have fantastic ones. It
goes on and on. There are so many of them. In each of them there is a fractal that is your
particular interpretation, unless you are part of the group soul that believes in only the
God of a particular religion. Then you are very close, in the same ball park together. But
even then, each is a little bit different. That is a part of yourself that you leave there.
Death is about life, not about heaven.

           I asked God, "What is the best religion on the planet?  Which one is
right?"

           And Godhead said, with great love, "I don't care."

           That was incredible grace. What that meant was that we are the caring beings
here.

           The Ultimate Godhead of all the stars tells us, "It does not matter what
religion you are."

           They come and they go, they change. Buddhism has not been here forever,
Catholicism has not been here forever, and they are all about to become more enlightened.
More light is coming into all systems now. There is going to be a reformation in
spirituality that is going to be just as dramatic as the Protestant Reformation. There will
be lots of people fighting about it, one religion against the next, believing that only they
are right.

           Everyone thinks they own God, the religions and philosophies, especially the
religions, because they form big organizations around their philosophy. When Godhead said,
"I don't care," I immediately understood that it is for us to care about. It
is important, because we are the caring beings. It matters to us and that is where it is
important. What you have is the energy equation in spirituality. Ultimate Godhead does not
care if you are Protestant, Buddhist, or whatever. It is all a blooming facet of the whole.
I wish that all religions would realize it and let each other be. It is not the end of each
religion, but we are talking about the same God. Live and let live. Each has a different
view. And it all adds up to the Big Picture; it is all important.

           I went over to the other side with a lot of fears about toxic waste, nuclear
missiles, the population explosion, the rainforest. I came back loving every single problem.
I love nuclear waste. I love the mushroom cloud; this is the holiest mandala that we have
manifested to date, as an archetype. It, more than any religion or philosophy on earth,
brought us together all of a sudden, to a new level of consciousness. Knowing that maybe we
can blow up the planet fifty times, or 500 times, we finally realize that maybe we are all
here together now. For a period they had to keep setting off more bombs to get it in to us.
Then we started saying, "We do not need this any more."  

           Now we are actually in a safer world than we have ever been in, and it is going
to get safer. So I came back loving toxic waste, because it brought us together. These
things are so big. As Peter Russell might say, these problems are now "soul size."
Do we have soul size answers?  YES!

           The clearing of the rain forest will slow down, and in fifty years there will be
more trees on the planet than in a long time. If you are into ecology, go for it; you are
that part of the system that is becoming aware. Go for it with all your might, but do not be
depressed. It is part of a larger thing.

           Earth is in the process of domesticating itself. It is never again going to be
as wild a place as it once was. There will be great wild places, reserves where nature
thrives. Gardening and reserves will be the thing in the future. Population increase is
getting very close to the optimal range of energy to cause a shift in consciousness. That
shift in consciousness will change politics, money, energy.

           What happens when we dream? We are multi-dimensional beings. We can access that
through lucid dreaming. In fact, this universe is God's dream. One of the things that I
saw is that we humans are a speck on a planet that is a speck in a galaxy that is a speck.
Those are giant systems out there, and we are in sort of an average system. But human beings
are already legendary throughout the cosmos of consciousness. The little bitty human being
of Earth/Gaia is legendary. One of the things that we are legendary for is dreaming. We are
legendary dreamers. In fact, the whole cosmos has been looking for the meaning of life, the
meaning of it all. And it was the little dreamer who came up with the best answer ever. We
dreamed it up. So dreams are important.

The Lessons He Learned

           The mystery of life has very little to do with intelligence. The universe is not
an intellectual process at all. The intellect is helpful; it is brilliant, but right now
that is all we process with, instead of our hearts and the wiser part of ourselves.

           The center of the earth is this great transmuter of energy, just as you see in
pictures of our earth's magnetic field. That's our cycle, pulling reincarnated souls
back in and through it again. A sign that you are reaching human level is that you are
beginning to evolve an individual consciousness. The animals have a group soul, and they
reincarnate in group souls. A deer is pretty much going to be a deer forever. But just being
born a human, whether deformed or genius, shows that you are on the path to developing an
individual consciousness. That is in itself part of the group consciousness called humanity.


           I saw that races are personality clusters. Nations like France, Germany and
China each have their own personality. Cities have personalities, their local group souls
that attract certain people. Families have group souls. Individual identity is evolving like
branches of a fractal; the group soul explores in our individuality. The different questions
that each of us has are very, very important. This is how Godhead is exploring God's
Self - through you. So ask your questions, do your searching. You will find your Self and
you will find God in that Self, because it is only the Self.

           More than that, I began to see that each one of us humans are soul mates. We are
part of the same soul fractaling out in many creative directions, but still the same. Now I
look at every human being that I ever see, and I see a soul mate, my soul mate, the one I
have always been looking for. Beyond that, the greatest soul mate that you will ever have is
yourself. We are each both male and female. We experience this in the womb and we experience
this in reincarnation states. If you are looking for that ultimate soul mate outside of
yourself, you may never find it; it is not there. Just as God is not "there." God
is here. Don't look "out there" for God. Look here for God. Look through your
Self. Start having the greatest love affair you ever had ... with your Self. You will love
everything out of that.

           I had a descent into what you might call hell, and it was very surprising. I did
not see Satan or evil. My descent into hell was a descent into each person's customized
human misery, ignorance, and darkness of not-knowing. It seemed like a miserable eternity.
But each of the millions of souls around me had a little star of light always available. But
no one seemed to pay attention to it. They were so consumed with their own grief, trauma and
misery. But, after what seemed an eternity, I started calling out to that light, like a
child calling to a parent for help. Then the light opened up and formed a tunnel that came
right to me an insulated me from all that fear and pain. That is what hell really is.  

           So what we are doing is learning to hold hands, to come together. The doors of
hell are open now. We are going to link up, hold hands, and walk out of hell together.

           The light came to me and turned into a huge golden angel. I said, "Are you
the angel of death?"  

           It expressed to me that it was my oversoul, my Higher Self matrix, a
super-ancient part of ourselves. Then I was taken to the light.

           Soon our science will quantify spirit. Isn't that going to be wonderful? We
are coming up with devices now that are sensitive to subtle energy or spirit energy.
Physicists use these atomic colliders to smash atoms to see what they are made of. They have
got it down to quarks and charm, and all that. Well, one day they are going to come down to
the little thing that holds it all together, and they are going to have to call that ...
God. With atomic colliders they are not only seeing what is in here, but they are creating
particles. Thank God most of them are short-lived milliseconds and nanoseconds. We are just
beginning to understand that we are creating too, as we go along.

           As I saw forever, I came to a realm in which there is a point where we pass all
knowledge and begin creating the next fractal, the next level. We have that power to create
as we explore. And that is God expanding itself through us.

           Since my return I have experienced the light spontaneously, and I have learned
how to get to that space almost any time in my meditation. Each one of you can do this. You
do not have to die to do this. It is within your equipment; you are wired for it already.  

           The body is the most magnificent light being there is. The body is a universe of
incredible light. Spirit is not pushing us to dissolve this body. That is not what is
happening. Stop trying to become God; God is becoming you. Here.

           The mind is like a child running around the universe, demanding this and
thinking it created the world. But I ask the mind:

           "What did your mother have to do with this?"

           That is the next level of spiritual awareness. Oh! My mother!  All of a sudden
you give up the ego, because you are not the only soul in the universe

His Return to Earth

           As I began my return to the life cycle, it never crossed my mind, nor was I
told, that I would return to the same body. It just did not matter. I had complete trust in
the light and the life process. As the stream merged with the great light, I asked never to
forget the revelations and the feelings of what I had learned on the other side.

           There was a "Yes." It felt like a kiss to my soul.

           Then I was taken back through the light into the vibratory realm again. The
whole process reversed, with even more information being given to me. I came back home, and
I was given lessons on the mechanics of reincarnation. I was given answers to all those
little questions I had:  

           "How does this work?  How does that work?" I knew that I would be
reincarnated.  

           The earth is a great processor of energy, and individual consciousness evolves
out of that into each one of us. I thought of myself as a human for the first time, and I
was happy to be that. From what I have seen, I would be happy to be an atom in this
universe. An atom. So to be the human part of God ... this is the most fantastic blessing.
It is a blessing beyond our wildest estimation of what blessing can be. For each and every
one of us to be the human part of this experience is awesome, and magnificent. Each and
every one of us, no matter where we are, screwed up or not, is a blessing to the planet,
right where we are.

           So I went through the reincarnation process expecting to be a baby somewhere.
But I was given a lesson on how individual identity and consciousness evolve. So I
reincarnated back into this body.

           I was so surprised when I opened my eyes. I do not know why, because I
understood it, but it was still such a surprise to be back in this body, back in my room
with someone looking over me crying her eyes out. It was my hospice caretaker. She had given
up an hour and a half after finding me dead. She was sure I was dead; all the signs of death
were there - I was getting stiff. We do not know how long I was dead, but we do know that it
was an hour and a half since I was found. She honored my wish to have my newly dead body
left alone for a few hours as much as she could. We had an amplified stethoscope and many
ways of checking out the vital functions of the body to see what was happening. She can
verify that I really was dead.

           It was not a near-death experience. I experienced death itself for at least an
hour and a half. She found me dead and checked the stethoscope, blood pressure and heart
rate monitor for an hour and a half. Then I awakened and saw the light outside. I tried to
get up to go to it, but I fell out of the bed. She heard a loud "clunk", ran in
and found me on the floor.

           When I recovered, I was very surprised and yet very awed about what had happened
to me. At first all the memory of the trip that I have now was not there. I kept slipping
out of this world and kept asking, "Am I alive?" This world seemed more like a
dream than that one.

           Within three days, I was feeling normal again, clearer, yet different than I had
ever felt in my life. My memory of the journey came back later. I could see nothing wrong
with any human being I had ever seen. Before that I was really judgmental. I thought a lot
of people were really screwed up, in fact I thought that everybody was screwed up but me.
But I got clear on all that.

           About three months later a friend said I should get tested, so I went and got
the scans and so forth. I really felt good, so I was afraid of getting bad news.

           I remember the doctor at the clinic looking at the before and after scans,
saying, "Well, there is nothing here now."

           I said, "Really, it must be a miracle?"

           He said, "No, these things happen, they are called spontaneous
remission."

           He acted very unimpressed. But here was a miracle, and I was impressed, even if
no one else was.

Then I suddenly came back through the second light, or the Big Bang, hearing
several more velvet booms. I rode the stream of consciousness back through all of creation,
and what a ride it was! The superclusters of galaxies came through me with even more
insights. I passed through the center of our galaxy, which is a black hole. Black holes are
the great processors or recyclers of the universe. Do you know what is on the other side of
a black hole? We are; our galaxy; which has been reprocessed from another universe.

           In its total energy configuration, the galaxy looked like a fantastic city of
lights. All energy this side of the Big Bang is light. Every sub-atom, atom, star, planet,
even consciousness itself is made of light and has a frequency and/or particle. Light is
living stuff.  Everything is made of light, even stones. So everything is alive. Everything
is made from the light of God; everything is very intelligent.

           The Light of Love

           As I rode the stream on and on, I could eventually see a huge light coming. I
knew it was the first light; the Higher Self light matrix of our solar system. Then the
entire solar system appeared in the light, accompanied by one of those velvet booms.

           I saw that the solar system we live in is our larger, local body. This is our
local body and we are much bigger than we imagine. I saw that the solar system is our body.
I am a part of this, and the earth is this great created being that we are, and we are the
part of it that knows that it is. But we are only that part of it. We are not everything,
but we are that part of it that knows that it is.

           I could see all the energy that this solar system generates, and it is an
incredible light show! I could hear the music of the spheres. Our solar system, as do all
celestial bodies, generates a unique matrix of light, sound and vibratory energies. Advanced
civilizations from other star systems can spot life as we know it in the universe by the
vibratory or energy matrix imprint. It is child's play. The earth's wonder child
(human beings) make an abundance of sound right now, like children playing in the backyard
of the universe.

           I rode the stream directly into the center of the light. I felt embraced by the
light as it took me in with its breath again, followed by another soft sonic boom.

           I was in this great light of love with the stream of life flowing through me. I
have to say again, it is the most loving, non-judgmental light. It is the ideal parent for
this wonder child.

           "What now?" I wondered.

           The light explained to me that there is no death; we are immortal beings. We
have already been alive forever! I realized that we are part of a natural living system that
recycles itself endlessly. I was never told that I had to come back. I just knew that I
would. It was only natural, from what I had seen.

           I don't know how long I was with the light, in human time. But there came a
moment when I realized that all my questions had been answered and my return was near. When
I say that all my questions were answered on the other side, I mean to say just that. All my
questions have been answered. Every human has a different life and set of questions to
explore. Some of our questions are universal, but each of us is exploring this thing we call
life in our own unique way. So is every other form of life, from mountains to every leaf on
every tree.

           And that is very important to the rest of us in this universe. Because it all
contributes to the Big Picture, the fullness of life. We are literally God exploring
God's Self in an infinite Dance of Life. Your uniqueness enhances all of life.

It took me years after I returned to assimilate any words at all for the void
experience. I can tell you this now; the void is less than nothing, yet more than everything
that is! The void is absolute zero; chaos forming all possibilities. It is absolute
consciousness; much more than even universal intelligence.

           Where is the void? I know. The void is inside and outside everything. You, right
now even while you live, are always inside and outside the void simultaneously. You
don't have to go anywhere or die to get there. The void is the vacuum or nothingness
between all physical manifestations. The SPACE between atoms and their components. Modern
science has begun to study this space between everything. They call it zero-point. Whenever
they try to measure it, their instruments go off the scale, or to infinity, so to speak.
They have no way, as of yet, to measure infinity accurately. There is more of the zero space
in your own body and the universe than anything else!

           What mystics call the void is not a void. It is so full of energy, a different
kind of energy that has created everything that we are. Everything since the Big Bang is
vibration, from the first word, which is the first vibration.

           The Biblical "I am" really has a question mark after it.

           "I am? What am I?"

           So creation is God exploring God's Self through every way imaginable, in an
ongoing, infinite exploration through every one of us. Through every piece of hair on your
head, through every leaf on every tree, through every atom, God is exploring God's Self,
the great "I am". I began to see that everything that is, is the Self, literally,
your Self, my Self. Everything is the great Self. That is why God knows even when a leaf
falls. That is possible because wherever you are is the center of the universe. Wherever any
atom is, that is the center of the universe. There is God in that, and God in the void.

           As I was exploring the void and all the yugas or creations, I was completely out
of time and space as we know it. In this expanded state, I discovered that creation is about
absolute pure consciousness, or God, coming into the experience of life as we know it. The
void itself is devoid of experience. It is pre-life, before the first vibration. Godhead is
about more than life and death. Therefore there is even more than life and death to
experience in the universe!

           I was in the void and I was aware of everything that had ever been created. It
was like I was looking out of God's eyes. I had become God. Suddenly I wasn't me
anymore. The only thing I can say, I was looking out of God's eyes. And suddenly I knew
why every atom was, and I could see everything.

           The interesting point was that I went into the void, I came back with this
understanding that God is not there. God is here. That's what it is all about. So this
constant search of the human race to go out and find God ... God gave everything to us,
everything is here - this is where it's at. And what we are into now is God's
exploration of God through us. People are so busy trying to become God that they ought to
realize that we are already God and God is becoming us. That's what it is really about.

           When I realized this, I was finished with the void, and wanted to return to this
creation, or yuga. It just seemed like the natural thing to do.

I asked to see the rest of the universe; beyond our solar system, beyond all
human illusion. The light then told me that I could go with the Stream. I did, and was
carried through the light at the end of the tunnel. I felt and heard a series of very soft
sonic booms. What a rush!

           Suddenly I seemed to be rocketing away from the planet on this stream of life. I
saw the earth fly away. The solar system, in all its splendor, whizzed by and disappeared.
At faster than light speed, I flew through the center of the galaxy, absorbing more
knowledge as I went. I learned that this galaxy, and all of the universe, is bursting with
many different varieties of LIFE. I saw many worlds. The good news is that we are not alone
in this universe!  

           As I rode this stream of consciousness through the center of the galaxy, the
stream was expanding in awesome fractal waves of energy. The super clusters of galaxies with
all their ancient wisdom flew by. At first I thought I was going somewhere; actually
traveling. But then I realized that, as the stream was expanding, my own consciousness was
also expanding to take in everything in the universe! All creation passed by me. It was an
unimaginable wonder! I truly was a wonder child; a babe in Wonderland!

           It seemed as if all the creations in the universe soared by me and vanished in a
speck of light. Almost immediately, a second light appeared. It came from all sides, and was
so different; a light made up of more than every frequency in the universe.

           I felt and heard several velvety sonic booms again. My consciousness, or being,
was expanding to interface with the entire holographic universe and more.

           As I passed into the second light, the awareness came to me that I had just
transcended the truth. Those are the best words I have for it, but I will try to explain. As
I passed into the second light, I expanded beyond the first light. I found myself in a
profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond infinity. I
was in the void. I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the
beginning of time - the first word - the first vibration. I was in the eye of creation. I
felt as if I was touching the face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply I was at
one with absolute life and consciousness.

           When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience
all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That's a
mind-expanding thought, isn't it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event
which created the universe. I saw that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big
Bangs creating universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close
in human terms would be those created by supercomputers using fractal geometry equations.

           The ancients knew of this. They said Godhead periodically created new universes
by breathing out, and de-creating other universes by breathing in. These epochs were called
yugas. Modern science called this the Big Bang. I was in absolute, pure consciousness. I
could see or perceive all the Big Bangs or yugas creating and de-creating themselves.
Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of
creation has the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still
speechless about this.

As I asked the light to keep explaining, I understood what the Higher Self
matrix is. We have a grid around the planet where all the Higher Selves are connected. This
is like a great company, a next subtle level of energy around us, the spirit level, you
might say.  

           Then, after a couple of minutes, I asked for more clarification. I really wanted
to know what the universe is about, and I was ready to go at that time.  

           I said, "I am ready, take me."  

           Then the light turned into the most beautiful thing that I have ever seen: a
mandala of human souls on this planet.  

           Now I came to this with my negative view of what has happened on the planet. So
as I asked the light to keep clarifying for me, I saw in this magnificent mandala how
beautiful we all are in our essence, our core. We are the most beautiful creations. The
human soul, the human matrix that we all make together is absolutely fantastic, elegant,
exotic, everything. I just cannot say enough about how it changed my opinion of human beings
in that instant.

           I said, "Oh, God, I did not know how beautiful we are."

           At any level, high or low, in whatever shape you are in, you are the most
beautiful creation, you are.

           I was astonished to find that there was no evil in any soul.  

           I said, "How can this be?"  

           The answer was that no soul was inherently evil. The terrible things that
happened to people might make them do evil things, but their souls were not evil. What all
people seek, what sustains them, is love, the light told me. What distorts people is a lack
of love.

           The revelations coming from the light seemed to go on and on, then I asked the
light, "Does this mean that humankind will be saved?"

           Then, like a trumpet blast with a shower of spiraling lights, the Great Light
spoke, saying, "Remember this and never forget; you save, redeem and heal yourself.
You always have. You always will. You were created with the power to do so from before the
beginning of the world."

           In that instant I realized even more. I realized that WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN
SAVED, and we saved ourselves because we were designed to self-correct like the rest of
God's universe. This is what the second coming is about.  

           I thanked the light of God with all my heart. The best thing I could come up
with was these simple words of totally appreciation:  

           "Oh dear God, dear Universe, dear Great Self, I love my life."  

           The light seemed to breathe me in even more deeply. It was as if the light was
completely absorbing me. The love light is, to this day, indescribable. I entered into
another realm, more profound than the last, and became aware of something more, much more.
It was an enormous stream of light, vast and full, deep in the heart of life. I asked what
this was.

           The light responded, "This is the RIVER OF LIFE. Drink of this manna water
to your heart's content."  

           So I did. I took one big drink and then another. To drink of life Itself! I was
in ecstasy.

           Then the light said, "You have a desire."  

           The light knew all about me, everything past, present and future.

           "Yes!" I whispered.

The Light of God

           I remember waking up one morning at home about 4:30 am, and I just knew that
this was it. This was the day I was going to die. So I called a few friends and said
goodbye. I woke up my hospice caretaker and told her. I had a private agreement with her
that she would leave my dead body alone for six hours, since I had read that all kinds of
interesting things happen when you die. I went back to sleep. The next thing I remember is
the beginning of a typical near-death experience. Suddenly I was fully aware and I was
standing up, but my body was in the bed. There was this darkness around me.  Being out of my
body was even more vivid than ordinary experience. It was so vivid that I could see every
room in the house, I could see the top of the house, I could see around the house, I could
see under the house.

           There was this light shining. I turned toward the light. The light was very
similar to what many other people have described in their near-death experiences. It was so
magnificent. It is tangible; you can feel it. It is alluring; you want to go to it like you
would want to go to your ideal mother's or father's arms.  

           As I began to move toward the light, I knew intuitively that if I went to the
light, I would be dead.  

           So as I was moving toward the light I said, "Please wait a minute, just
hold on a second here. I want to think about this; I would like to talk to you before I
go."  

           To my surprise, the entire experience halted at that point. You are indeed in
control of your near-death experience. You are not on a roller coaster ride.  So my request
was honored and I had some conversations with the light. The light kept changing into
different figures, like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, mandalas, archetypal images and signs.  

           I asked the light, "What is going on here? Please, light, clarify yourself
for me. I really want to know the reality of the situation."  

           I cannot really say the exact words, because it was sort of telepathy.  The
light responded. The information transferred to me was that your beliefs shape the kind of
feedback you are getting before the light. If you were a Buddhist or Catholic or
Fundamentalist, you get a feedback loop of your own stuff. You have a chance to look at it
and examine it, but most people do not.  

           As the light revealed itself to me, I became aware that what I was really seeing
was our Higher Self matrix. The only thing I can tell you is that it turned into a matrix, a
mandala of human souls, and what I saw was that what we call our Higher Self in each of us
is a matrix. It's also a conduit to the Source; each one of us comes directly, as a
direct experience from the Source. We all have a Higher Self, or an oversoul part of our
being. It revealed itself to me in its truest energy form. The only way I can really
describe it is that the being of the Higher Self is more like a conduit. It did not look
like that, but it is a direct connection to the Source that each and every one of us has. We
are directly connected to the Source.  

           So the light was showing me the Higher Self matrix. And it became very clear to
me that all the Higher Selves are connected as one being, all humans are connected as one
being, we are actually the same being, different aspects of the same being. It was not
committed to one particular religion. So that is what was being fed back to me. And I saw
this mandala of human souls. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I just went
into it and, it was just overwhelming. It was like all the love you've every wanted, and
it was the kind of love that cures, heals, regenerates.

The Road to Death

           In 1982 I died from terminal cancer. The condition I had was inoperable, and any
kind of chemotherapy they could give me would just have made me more of a vegetable. I was
given six to eight months to live. I had been an information freak in the 1970's, and I
had become increasingly despondent over the nuclear crisis, the ecology crisis, and so
forth. So, since I did not have a spiritual basis, I began to believe that nature had made a
mistake, and that we were probably a cancerous organism on the planet. I saw no way that we
could get out from all the problems we had created for ourselves and the planet. I perceived
all humans as cancer, and that is what I got. That is what killed me. Be careful what your
world view is. It can feed back on you, especially if it is a negative world view. I had a
seriously negative one. That is what led me into my death. I tried all sorts of alternative
healing methods, but nothing helped.

           So I determined that this was really just between me and God. I had never really
faced God before, or even dealt with God. I was not into any kind of spirituality at the
time, but I began a journey into learning about spirituality and alternative healing. I set
out to do all the reading I could and bone up on the subject, because I did not want to be
surprised on the other side. So I started reading on various religions and philosophies.
They were all very interesting, and gave hope that there was something on the other side.  

           On the other hand, as a self-employed stained-glass artist at the time, I had no
medical insurance whatsoever. So my life savings went overnight in testing. Then I was
facing the medical profession without any kind of insurance. I did not want to have my
family dragged down financially, so I determined to handle this myself. There was not
constant pain, but there were black-outs. I got so that I would not dare to drive, and
eventually I ended up in hospice care. I had my own personal hospice caretaker. I was very
blessed by this angel who went through the last part of this with me. I lasted about
eighteen months. I did not want to take a lot of drugs, since I wanted to be as conscious as
possible. Then I experienced such pain that I had nothing but pain in my consciousness,
luckily only for a few days at a time.

I was sent a story containing the experiences of a person that had  a very uplifting obe/near death experience,

Enjoy


           Mellen-Thomas Benedict is an artist who survived a near-death experience in
1982. He was dead for over an hour and a half after dying of cancer. At the time of his
death, he rose up out of his body and went into the light. Curious about the universe, he
was taken far into the remote depths of existence, and even beyond, into the energetic void
of nothingness behind the Big Bang. During his experience, he was able to learn a great deal
of information concerning reincarnation. Because of his near-death experience, he was able
to bring back scientific discoveries. Mr. Benedict has been closely involved in the
mechanics of cellular communication and research dealing with the relationship of light to
life called Quantum Biology. This research is providing dramatic new perspectives on how
biological systems work. Mr. Benedict has found that living cells can respond very quickly
to light stimulation resulting in, among other things, high speed healing. He is a
researcher, inventor and lecturer who holds six U.S. patents.

           Several weeks after Benedict was born, he may experienced a NDE when his bowels
were ruptured. His body was tossed to one side as a corpse, yet much to everyone's
surprise he later revived. As soon as he was big enough to grab hold of crayons, he started
what became a compulsive urge to create symbolic renditions of the black/white yin/yang
circles of Eastern religious thought. He has no memory of why he drew those particular
symbols.

           He spent his grade school years in a Catholic boarding school in Vermont, and
was baptized in the Salvation Army religion as a youngster. He traveled extensively because
of a military stepfather until the family finally settled down in Fayetteville, North
Carolina.

           Then, Benedict was diagnosed as having inoperable cancer. He had retired from
the frenzy of filmdom by then and was operating his own stained-glass studio. As his
condition worsened, he spent more and more time with his art. One morning he awakened
knowing he would die the next day, and he did. As the typical heaven-like scenario began to
unfold, Benedict recognized what was happening as it was happening. The process was familiar
to him because he had read many books about the near-death phenomenon previously.

           Mr. Benedict's NDE is reprinted here by the permission of his friends Dr.
Lee Worth Bailey and Jenny Yates. Their excellent book entitled The Near-Death Experience: A
Reader, published by Routledge, New York, in 1996, is highly recommended by the webmaster. A
portion of his near-death experience also appears in P.M.H. Atwater's book, Beyond the
Light. Concerning Mellen's near-death experience, Dr. Ken Ring remarked, "His story
is one of the most remarkable I have encountered in my extensive research on near-death
experiences."

           P.M.H. Atwater has the following to say about Mellen-Thomas Benedict: "I
can attest that his case is genuine and his claims about the brain tumor and the conditions
of his death are true. I have met his mother and step-father, been in his and their homes,
and have followed his life since - his struggles and his accomplishments - as he sought to
find a way to integrate his experience into his daily life while still honoring the mission
he felt guided to fulfill."

makes more sense to me now, thanks jonesy

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Im gathering you are posting more to explain your point, didn't get too much of your explanation within that post but anyway, quick Question


You've mentioned....

In the beginning the Els went against the master plan of the creator of all that is by creating man prior to the will of the creator.

How is it possible for anyone/anybeing to go against the will of the creator being that the creator has control over all creation? Sure the Creator's given us free will, but I've always been under the impression that the Elohim are direct messengers and carriers of God's divine will.  How is that possible for them to create anything without God's knowing??