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every couple days I look at my computer clock and it is exactly 2 hours behind my watch. dunno if it's related.

Actually,

just because a possibility exists doesn't mean we know about it and know how to comprehend and apply it...

I didn't say "you can fly if you think you can" or "you can fly if you aren't told that you can't fly"

Is it possible that we're all flying right now and don't realize it? yeah..

perception is quite limited,

it's not really something that can be logically explained, because the infinite is outside the bounds of logic...logic is a set of bounds in fact....

MisterJingo,

Why are you taking this as something directed towards you? I didn't direct any of what I said towards you specifically. I was just stating things based on what I have seen here at astral pulse: many people outright deny that "negs, independent of personal thought," exist. Look at the topic of the thread, "do they exist, or not?" This topic is here and people have said it's beating a dead horse because the topic has existed in many forms here over time; essentially my message was that it's foolish to deny a possibility and act on that (often against someone else's perception). As for you saying that some things can be considered impossible, I tend to disagree; even though they seem impossible to some people, that is only because people are input to believe certain things are "possible" and "not possible" when in fact all is possible. Perhaps to you it is impossible that <insert most outrageous thing you can think of here>, but as I see it, everything and anything is possible. I am not on the side of any religion, unless that religion is "deny ignorance (limited perception)" in which I suppose I am a part of. But that's about it...

I am not attacking you; I never said armies of negs must be battled to maintain health, etc. so why defend against that like I did say that?

I could argue all day but essentially I've made my point, however you choose to see it...

If a person has a problem, how can they be helped?
I think this should be the thing to focus on.

I agree. But if someone is having a problem and someone else tells them their problem can't exist in a certain way that may be possibly existing...   :eh?:

as long as that doesn't happen

Does it really matter if you are one?

[MK]fa-tality![/MK]

seriously tho, great response. deep man, deep.

"You can only prove an existence, you cannot prove a non-existence."

Exactly, which means you cannot say something "doesn't exist" and be sure of it. If one seriously argues "XYZ doesn't exist" or worse "XYZ can't exist" then it just shows a closed perception.


What I don't understand is how people can say the idea of "negs" is "ridiculous" when obviously there are people out there in "physical reality" that would care to harm you. Now why would it be absurd to assume in other "dimensions" there aren't the same things? Absolute wishful thinking perhaps?

I would understand if people said "they might exist externally, but you have more power over yourself than they do.." but most people say either yes or no to their existence. Perhaps it's not so black and white? Yet even if someone believed "we" have more power over "them," that still doesn't mean the possibility of a still more powerful external being is outlandish. For example on the astral dynamics forums it seems to be the general belief that "negs" do exist but we have power over them, or we can defeat them. Yet the possibility of more powerful beings that can completely destroy us is not ruled out, in fact if we are to believe some cases, there may be beings that can indeed completely rip us apart and leave us helpless.

I think it's good to be open to possibility instead of starting a religion against what one perceives to be a religion.

I think it's pretty foolish to say "they are only thought-forms." The people that do this are just taking the extreme they're fighting against, to the opposite extreme.

Why? First, because everyone has a different set of experiences, so just because you've experienced only one side of the coin doesn't mean another side of the coin doesn't exist. It's like people who claim "there is no such thing as god". For that to be an accurate statement, that person would have to know and understand everything possible so he could point out what isn't there. Quite egotistical.

I personally don't know the answer, but IMO anyone who states one way or the other EXPLICITLY is probably wrong, due to the only fact of reality I would admit to "knowing": everything is possible.

Here is a strong argument I will state for "negs are independent of our thought":
Are there people out there on the physical earth that like to hurt other people? If you answer yes, why would you be so opposed to the idea that there are "similar people" in a different dimension of existence, or whatever it could be called.

IMHO, they both exist. But I'm never more than 99.9% sure on anything...