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Its interesting that you claim to know something about Quantum physics yet you don't what I'm talking about.

Just know that you know nothing.

You can learn to focus of any part of your body and feel tingling. I'm not saying its fake or not, how would anyone know that?

If you think it can lead to an OBE keep it up, but it seems you have tried and failed, so move on.

I have a Hindu friend who practices chakra cleaning and it has nothing to do with OBE. He works on each chakra individually for months at a time. Again, everyone has different theories, but according to him, focusing on your chakra for 10 min doesn't do anything, even though you maybe able to feel it.

Again, everyone will say something different, and none of them really know for sure. what works for one doesn't necessarily work for another. Try some more general techniques first.

What all the OBE techniques have in common, every single one, is to focus on something. Whatever you pick to focus on, focus on only that and you should have some success.

My point about non-subjective laws that govern our existence in physical reality is based on the idea that we are in a realm with established laws that matter not whether we believe in them.

Um, it only matters if we believe in them, and the physical reality does not have established laws. I can give you hundreds of examples of prof of this concept.

Hallucinogenic drugs are chemicals that effect specific areas of the brain and would thereby lead to similar experiences.  Dreams are based on memories of commonly experienced phenomenon.  We do not have mirror image dreams.

exactly my point. Nor do we have mirror image OBE's. And just as hallucinogenic drugs effect specific areas of the brain and lead to similar experiences, so can the OBE. Just as dreams are not mirror images of one another, neither are OBE's.

I know the ethereal body exists because of the unique reaction that occurs when contact is made between the ethereal body and the Vehram Array.  The energy flows as a result of direct contact with the inner core of a Vehram energy center.  This would not happen if there were "nothing" there.  Rather the ethereal body, in order to act as a conduit, must be a "real" manifestation.

Yea, a real manifestation of your mind....or imagination.

yes, lets keep this going. Its a lot of laughs reading your comments and easily proving them to be nonsense.

I don't know if this is related but a friend of mine and his girl friend can mentally communicate while on mushrooms, and they have proven it to me.

People say a lot of things, most of the time it's not true. I have heard you have to close all your chackras then OBE because the energy hold you back. I have also heard you have to open them all and then try. I have heard you OBE through your crown chakra but i have also heard the 3rd eye one. I have even heard some of the lower chakras.

So, experiment for yourself. At the end of the the day I don't think chakras are a determining factor to having an OBE. It has much more to do with your state of mind.

On some level, we have to realize that there is a set of non-subjective principles that are responsible for our existence in the physical realm

No we don't. Besides "I think therefore I am", there is nothing that we can or should realize.

you have to ask how an ethereal phenomenon could adhere to a series of strict laws if it were merely a hallucination?

I could pose the same question about all hallucinogenic drugs. Why do we all experience some of the same symptoms and hallucinations. The same can be said about dreams, we all experience similar scenarios or situations. So you see, hallucinations can adhere to "strict laws".


How do you even know an ethereal body exists? How do you know any of the things you are talking about. You don't, you just say them as fact when they aren't even as good as theory.

If you don't know what to do, come visit me and validate for me. Then you will be able to prove if its real.



I might be hard to find though!

I'm no doctor, but from personal human experience, I notice that other symptoms show up when your heart races. For example, heaver or faster breathing, sweating, light headed. Do you experience any of these other symptoms? If you do then it might be phyisical, if you don't its prolly not. Just remember your heart can beat like that for a long time before it becomes detrimental to your health, so if your just trying to OBE and it only happens right before, keep going. But its prolly really distracting, I know if my heart just starting to race out of nowhere I would lose all concentration. Good luck

You put that much more politely than I did.

try in the morning for best results. Preferably before you normal awake time.

I don't think its possible to experience not existing... lol, I dont know, to much of a mind f**k for me!

You still don't know what your talking about and are using backwards logic to try and cover yourself. At then end of the day you don't know any more than anyone else about the subject. And yes, my comments are negative, it irritates me that you come on here posting nonsense. Some people don't know any better and buy into your pretend science talk. I could argue all your points into the ground, but there is no point, you will just use backwards logic and some more "ethereal physics" and try to sound like you know what your saying.

A 13 year old can see though your BullS*it. You obviously know nothing about physics and just Wikipedia some stuff and post in on here as fact or theory. Sell your books, but don't pretend you have anything more to offer than some techniques to OBE, because you don't.

he interaction between the Vehram System and the ethereal body demonstrates the law of entropy in that the vibrational energy that enters the body disperses throughout the ethereal body - seeking a state of equilibrium, and in doing so creates more entropy throughout the ethereal body. An example of how this law would be broken is if entrance of ethereal energy within the ethereal body resulted in a weakening of the vibrations or if the absence of vibrations within the ethereal body caused the Vehram System to no longer generate ethereal energy.

HAHA! WTF

yea, thats pretty much what I was saying

Take DMT and you will understand why our world is going to be punished.

["the complex of all the attributes--behavioral, temperamental, emotional and mental--that characterize a unique individual"]

um... what?

Personality as defined in the dictionary : "the complex of all the attributes--behavioral, temperamental, emotional and mental--that characterize a unique individual"

seccond definition of Personality "he totality of qualities and traits, as of character or behavior, that are peculiar to a specific person."


Persona : "a personal facade that one presents to the world"

I think you have the 2 mixed up some how.

so next time you want to sound smart by telling me what I mean, you should at least look the words up in the dictionary. Cant wait to see how you somehow argue this one.

It's just ignorant to think that you can even begin to try and explain a phenomena like the OBE. I don't know where you came up with all these theories that somehow the 'ethereal body' had to conform to physics. So when we are OBE and we are floating, does gravity not exist yet thermal dynamics exist? Your making arguments that cant even be considered theories they are so absurd. Every time you talk about energy you are talking about something non physical yet you want to make it conform to physical laws....makes no sense. And if you truly think you can understand it then please come up with something better than waking up in the middle of the night and going back to sleep. Vehram balls of energy? once you are in SP you don't need those balls.

I'm not saying your information about waking up in the middle of the night and going back to sleep and focusing on the out breath doesn't work. I'm not saying you cant come up with helpful information to sell to people. I'm just saying you have NO IDEA how it works. And when you pretend to know it makes you sound like you are either really ignorant, or are trying to sell books. Pick one.

Why should we fear the loss of our personalities?

Well you must have a bad personality. =)

But in seriousness, I think we fear losing out personality because that is all that we have. All the culminations of our experiences, all of our thoughts, everything is just our personalities. To lose it would mean to stop existing. Why do we fear not existing? Well for me personally I would like to exist rather than not exist because of what Panthau said

This can only be asked from someone who never thought about total emptiness

. This is true. Think about it.

Keep pretending you know anything and keep selling your books.

CFT - I also don't accept anything as fact or truth, I just was just taking a certain side for concept explanation purposes.

I was having a lucid dream and lost control, had a false awakening and started to dream non lucid. Is that what you mean?

Or are you saying have you ever woken up from reality and realized that reality is just a dream and then you woke up back into reality?

I like the way you think Zarest. Its a definite possibility.

Oh btw. if anyone validates for me more than once, i will give them 500$. There is no way i can guarantee this, but you have my word.

what? If you can validate for yourself, you can validate for others. Don't you understand that? Why don't you put on your thinking cap and do some thinking.

As far as I can tell it's legit. I read the site and agreements.

I think astral projection should be provable, if it is real. If you can prove to yourself that it is real, you can also prove it to others. The problem is, most people think it's real because "It looks and feels so real". Unfortunately if you believe it is real just from this statement, you are only fooling yourself.

I agree that it isn't possible to just project any time, any place and go and validate. But you could set something up where time is not a factor. Also, if you read the site, it says that the participant makes up his own criteria for the test.

Anyone who says astral projection is not provable, also cannot not prove it to themselves.