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Good job Tiny. 

well, well - i told you   

Woot!  Good luck!  and of course keep us up to date.  I'm excited for you.  

Thank you.


I just repeated the process and the same thing started happening, well but now my body needs some food and entertainment  .

I forgot to mention a few curious details.


I experimented a bit with the separation process - when it happens, it is interesting to note how talking seems to get harder and harder as it proceeds, eventually I can just mumble before losing bodily grip alltogether.
It is also interestin to note how sense of heat and cold seems to diminish.
I have used energy raising in another situation yesterday when i stood out in the cold to avoid the pain of freezing, with a few guys outside a pub during a smoking break. My body would feel cold but I myself active in my energy body would no longer suffer from it.

Congratz Paul 

:NoY:

I'd like to hear some more of your stories too. I know you're a pretty experienced one...

Congrats.  Where did you go when you projected?

I abborted the process so I could process the technique and write it down.

I'm going to continue now, although It'll be hard to relax with all that excitement.

Dear friends, I couldn't begin to describe my excitement to you after this enormous step in my personal development, but I will share this story to you of what just happened, so perhaps you can benefit from it in some way or another.


~ 9:00 pm

I decided I would lay down for another session of energy work and guidance from higher-self to help me find my way to astral projection and whatever comes after that.
I soon realized that I needed a new technique of effectively raising energy in order to project.

So, and this was the key ingredient - I decided I would, with my mind"pull IN" energy from my feet.
5-10 min after I had layed down, after my energy body would get stronger and stronger buzzing yet not uncomfortably, suddenly with an instant i would start getting bodily and thought-wise paralyzed and exit vibrations would hit me (softly) to kick me out.
So, there it is folks, the magic ingredient. I raised more and more energy by pulling it in from my feet and up my spine and this would start kicking me out of body literally within less than 10 minutes.
Contrary to popular belief my experiences have shown me that a deep trance is not necessary in order to project - and that the objective is not to shut down theb physical-mind at all as is proclaimed so often, but to activate the energy body, raise energy until the point that it becomes like a rocket of a burst that you can use to just shoot out of the physical body.

Until this day I have only pondered what the key ingredient might be, having only the usual and rare spontaneous OBEs in the morning and such.
Now that I can reproduce them at the spot, my journey can begin  



kind regards,

Paul

I can feel movement an skin tickelings.

Unabomber, why do you call yourself 'Unabomber'?

cus i like the style and i think its funny.


Here, the iceman...

Are you referring to the "Pineal Gland" area?
What "curious effects" do you generally have take place when you do this?

its hard to explain, i would describe it as feeling a sort of relaxation/dissociation/internalization-of-self effect.

There is also a localized sensation of some kind of activation or strain somewhere in the back of the brain.

I wanted to start a discussion because I have observed some curious effects to take place when one places one's focus on areas of the brain, or more commonly the center of it.

Any experiences with this from anybody?

It might be. I just have no idea how to fix it.

its ok i can relate to your feelings - wanting to escape this sick world is no crime.


Strangely I have about the same problem as you with energy. Its been like this since 2009 as far as I can remember. My meditations used to be very fruitful and fulfilling but now i have to struggle hard and nothing much "happens" anymore.
When I activate my energy body there isn't anymore that increasing buzzing that would throw me out of the body. Maybe its just the aging process.

I'm not exactly sure whats causing this phenomenon but ive been observing it as a global trend.

However a few people still seem to have OBEs so it must work some way or another. However very few people have been posting experiences lately, its strange.

Keep trying with energy work and relaxation as I do.

Pardon?
Do I know you?  >_>

I'll leave that up to you. I'm pretty sure you'll know soon, anyway  .

There are many reasons for your demons.

Some are karmic paybacks, others are beings desperately searching for energy in order to survive spiritually... etc.

I recommend an aggressive stance on protection. Think energetically as if you would do physically. What would you do if someone had you at knifepoint, give them all your money or break their arm?

My original point was that in theory its not about relaxing muscle groups but disentangling the energy body from the physical body much like unwinding a cable chaos so you focus on physical body parts for that reason, capiche?


What i meant with "progressive" is it being a skill that you can progressively get better on, like learning an instrument or not. If so, then why - because relaxing muscle groups is a natural function of the physical body, what is there to learn except developing its etheric blanket?

I call it "disassociation".  You need to, literally, forget about the physical.  

Well you see there lies a difference. What you are up to, Xanth is mental-body travel (dreams etc.). But astral-body travel goes from the etheric-energy body on, which is a part of the physical body, NOT the mental body - so in order to travel astrally what one must do is substract energy from the etheric energy-body that is part of the physical body, so if you just forget about your physical body you're not going to get to astral travel.
Sorry but it is that complicated. I know that many experts will agree with me on this. It is old occult-science.

Gosh, I must've missed our little arguments  

The physical realm was originally intended as a conspiracy, basically - to harvest and extract energy from the "prisoners" thru means of suffering and temptation. Now it has become much more of a battlefield for power and energy, on all levels of the food chain, within this 12-universe superstructure.

It is said that astral inhabitants just wish they could incarnate (but there not being enough slots on Earth) because so much energy has shifted from the astral to the physical that there is very little left in the astral, and so it is very hard to survive energetically, over there.

For myself, and it may just be from years of doing it, but energy work itself does job. I also use a slow/calm/focused breath during energy work.

thats kind of what i was getting into,

they seem to be one and the same.

For a long time I used to just lay down and ignore my body/energy body and focus only on mental techniques and it would get me nowhere near OBEs. However the times when I focused on my body it seemed to get me somewhere.

And all the real OBEs i had were from a state of perfect relaxation with no trance/concentration stuff involoved, only energy movement.

My conclusion is that there is an inevitable decoupling from the physical necessary in order to project from the waking state. One can't just project using only the mind.

Yo dawgs,

many people talk about relaxation as a skill, as if it were something that one can progressively get better on.

Well, this would mean that there is more to it than muscular tension releasing, such as a mental holding on to the body that would prevents people from getting out of their bodies (in theory). If so, that would explain why masters like Robert Bruce say they can get out within very few minutes of lying down, or Robert Peterson writes he had left his body even while walking.
For some people Astral Projection is like a cakewalk, yet for others near impossible, so there must be a level of looseness of one's astral body. On the other hand, maybe its just that some people simply have more DMT produced in their pineals

I think relaxation is the key ingredient but the HOW is where it gets complicated imo.

several days a week? Most people will envy you for that.

Now, would you mind telling us what you focus on most? (like relaxation or visualization or whut)


Thank u

dont worry, the ppl here are just burning of envy 

I've tried this area of the mind many times with very little success.

Energy work is the only way to pop out as I see it raising vibrations not shutting down the mind. I used to always believe in the latter - how wrong i was.

Stimulate your energy body more - until you pop out atleast from my experience that is the key.

i started noticing them between 1-2 years ago. I suspect they are space battles or simply big ships.

Various sources write the chakras compress into one, the aura turns pink and the consciousness with this new unified energy body leaves out of the top of the head.

Yo dawgs,

as a kid i used to have the feeling i would fall backwards when lying in my bed.

Maybe the reason we adults dont astral-project anymore is because we get so entangled, so enrooted within our physical body and its parts that we are literally trapped in it.
I've tried so many mental techniques (Anything you can imagine incl. affirmations) for OBEs none of them worked.

I dont think you need to be physically entranced in order to OBE. In fact ive had OBEs randomly while being fully physically conscious. Now, I think loosening from the physical body is done by focusing on body parts until it feels like a copy of them is shaky or begin falling through or start hovering over them...
I once listened to some trippy-butt music ( http://www.roomp3.com/mp3-24552-Steve_Roach-Westwind_excerpt.html ) and i put my hands into my trouser pockets, then my energy hands were floating above my ribcage, that was a crazy feeling no imaging how it would be in a full body experience. Not all my OBEs have been so FREELY felt.




yours truthfully,


Unabomber