For future reference lets call everyone that made a pyramid, "The Pyramid Builders" which include: AZTECS MAYANS EGYPTIANS(if more please tell me). Also for future reference let's say aliens exist and did help us out (since we will never prove aliens exist with 'hard' evidence). So from now on I'll speak as if I believe it to be true.
The idea has popped up that magnets were used, that would make sense. Easy to give, easy to use.
Let's see what do all the pyramid builders have in common?
They all worshiped some sort of animal.
So let us get passed the idea that we are more mature then they are (past civilizations). If you see someone flying most would think he was an angel, would you agree?
Let's speculate, all over the world they build pyramids. That in itself has to pop questions. Obviously these civilizations never had contact to each other. So if all these civilizations created something that is so alike would that not indicate a common interaction they shared. Different cultures proof that humans don't think alike at different starting points.
Now I think the power of the pyramids have demised because the bodies have been taken out. Proof of this is how everyone that entered while the bodies where still in there died (curse). Also why were they put up into a museum, who came up with that brilliant idea? *Sniff Sniff* Do I smell conspiracy? (lol)
(http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1710/pyramidlg9.png)
In the photo you can see two bodies, so is the second body our astral body?
The connecting points establish a pyramid which is connected to our base chakra. In the photo below you can see the chakra points.
(http://www.clearandbalanced.com/Chakra%20Chart.jpg)
Quoteif it is not obvious to you then you do not want it to be obvious
If I don't accept your theory it's because I'm somehow biased against you? You havent't exactly provided us with any incontrovertible evidence.
I'm not going to give evidence. I just gave a theory but aliens obviously had something to do with that.
How is this obvious?
The mere fact that in contemporary times humankind neglects to align structures with celestial wonders doesn't mean that extraterrestrials had to have played a part in ancient times.
This can simply be explained away by the fact that we, as a society, have paid less attention to the heavens, and are focusing more on money, and physical materials.
I'm not saying there's not a higher purpose for the pyramids, or that aliens had nothing to do with them, but I cannot let you make these kinds of connections without being challenged.
I also suggest that you describe how you go from
"Aliens played a part in the Egyptian Pyramids"
to
"The Mayans did not create their calendar"
And I'm assuming you mean the calendar that relates to energy and vibrations, and not the calendar that relates to taxes?
the calendar was a gift for human sacrifice
Can you present evidence or argue this using more than just one assertive sentence?
ya I have evidence of aliens (hahaha ya right)
Not evidence of aliens, man. That's not what I want. But when you assert something, you have to have a reason. Tell us how you arrived at that conclusion, instead of sticking to sentence-long statements that only let others know you have no way of backing up anything you say.
I'm not trying to get evidence of alien existence. I'm trying to help you voice your points and critical thinking skills, things that seem to be at a low level, if you can't explain how pyramids lead to calendars in your mind. You make a lot of assertions (that means you state a bunch of things are true), but you don't prove, or even explain them. That will be your downfall if you ever decide to engage in a real conversation about these beliefs that you have.
Just laugh it away. Stay that way. And see what happens.
For example:
Quote from: 369 on January 23, 2008, 04:11:27
The Mayans worshiped snakes, preformed human sacrifice, pyramids, and were very advanced.
The mayans worshipped a deity that was half-snake and half bird, actually. Human sacrifice happened towards the end of their empire, and has been blamed for the collapse of their civilization. Once they ran out of conquered to sacrifice, they started sacrificing their own, and it was downhill from here. And, advanced as compared to who?
QuoteThe reason for human sacrifice is because humans can be used to go to a higher frequencies(stargate).
Is this your opinion, or is it based on what someone else said? And if the second one, who? How can humans be used to go to a higher frequency, and what makes it higher?
QuotePyramids are powerful and are used as a stargate...once you know realize it you can make sense this...
How do you know pyramids were used as a stargate? I know what I think a stargate is. What do you consider a stargate?
QuoteIn 2500 BC (see left) the southern shaft of the King's Chamber aligns perfectly with Al Nitak (Zeta Orionis) at an altitude of 45 degrees. But at this point in time the other two stars of Orions Belt and the Milky Way do not align directly with the other two pyramids and the Nile.
And this means what?
QuoteIf we 'shift' the sky around (see right), continually going back in time, we find a perfect match between the pyramids and the three stars of Orions Belt and the Nile and the Milky way at 10,500 BC !"
Yes, I know about this, but I don't see what it's supposed to prove. The egyptian religion revolved around gods turning into stars. What does this have to do with the mayans?
QuoteIn the present we can not perfectly align anything...but the Egyptians can?
Not true. We can align whatever we want to if we put resources into it. This is one of those things that people believe because someone else said it.
QuoteIt is obvious that aliens were involved with it...
Obvious means nothing else could explain it. There's all kinds of possible explanations for it- you choose the one that speaks to you, just as I do.
Quoteand if it is not obvious to you then you do not want it to be obvious.
No, when I come up with a theory I don't start by 'wanting it to be' anything. I check out the facts first.
QuoteTo come to my point the Mayans didn't create their calendar...it was given to them for their human sacrifices.
I'm not sure how you get to this conclusion from what you said before. Don't even see the connection.
Quote from: AncientLokiRemains on February 13, 2008, 17:15:31
Not evidence of aliens, man. That's not what I want. But when you assert something, you have to have a reason. Tell us how you arrived at that conclusion, instead of sticking to sentence-long statements that only let others know you have no way of backing up anything you say.
I'm not trying to get evidence of alien existence. I'm trying to help you voice your points and critical thinking skills, things that seem to be at a low level, if you can't explain how pyramids lead to calendars in your mind. You make a lot of assertions (that means you state a bunch of things are true), but you don't prove, or even explain them. That will be your downfall if you ever decide to engage in a real conversation about these beliefs that you have.
Just laugh it away. Stay that way. And see what happens.
No I just didn't know what you meant. If you can post mayan history (I don't really want to look through a forum or wikipedia (already read that)) then I'll be glad to read it.
I think I might be missing something (might blow my theory out the water) do we use the mayan calendar today?
Once this is answer I'll try to connect everything best of my ability
Not everyone, no. We don't rely on it. As a whole, we use the Gregorian calendar, the one with months and stuff.
Some people look the Mayan Calendar as a sort of horoscope, though, to see how their day is gonna go, or to see what should be done.. It's kind of smart, because the Mayans were astrologers and recognized the intention and "vibe" of every day. But you should only use it if you believe in it, because your beliefs shape your reality, and if doubt exists, then chances are you won't allow the calendar to work for you.
This is the one I look at when I need to
http://www.mayanmajix.com/TZOLKIN/DT/DT.html
Quote from: CFTraveler on February 13, 2008, 21:03:09
Not true. We can align whatever we want to if we put resources into it. This is one of those things that people believe because someone else said it.
Explain
For future reference lets call everyone that made a pyramid, "The Pyramid Builders" which include: AZTECS MAYANS EGYPTIANS(if more please tell me). Also for future reference let's say aliens exist and did help us out (since we will never prove this anyways). So from now on I'll speak as if I believe it to be true.
The idea has popped up that magnets were used, that would make sense. Easy to give, easy to use.
Let's see what do all the pyramid builders have in common?
They all worshiped some sort of animal. (Are there even cats in Egypt? ha)
So let us get passed the idea that we are more mature then they are (past civilizations). If you see someone flying most would think he was an angel, would you agree?
Here is my picture to show you the PYRAMID in the photo connected to our base chakra
(http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1710/pyramidlg9.png)
Is there more? I thought there'd be more, then I see the "reply" button.
Don't worry there is more it's in my brain I just have to connect the dots please be patient and I'm hoping for help. BTW I'm a 2 in the mayan astrology.
Quote from: 369 on February 14, 2008, 02:46:37
Explain
What?
We do have the ability to orient what we build with any direction we choose. It's just that in modern society we don't orient buildings with the stars or any specific constellation, because we build with the point of view of things like traffic flows and such.
But we do have the technology.
The idea that we don't have the technology came from Von Daniken in the 70's that I remember and people just accepted it.
Did you ask if there were cats in egypt? Are you serious? Did you know that the household cat is the descendant of the african wildcat and cats were routinely mummified in egypt?
That's a pyramid? Uh...anything can be made into such a 'pyramid' by drawing an X over it. Your point?
I think his point was, if you make a square based on the limits of the figure drawn by Da Vinci, and connect the vertices, the exact center lies at the root chakra, the base, the genitalia, the chakra that tethers us to this physical world.
Correct me if I'm wrong, 369, of course.
Quote from: AncientLokiRemains on February 14, 2008, 13:00:36
I think his point was, if you make a square based on the limits of the figure drawn by Da Vinci, and connect the vertices, the exact center lies at the root chakra, the base, the genitalia, the chakra that tethers us to this physical world.
Correct me if I'm wrong, 369, of course.
no you are right
and now that I think about it CFTraveler you are right (remembered something before that was aligned).
There are pyramids in China too. That's very interesting and you may be right, many megaliths have a seemingly sexual connotation, see Menhir, Pedra Montada... translations of the Rongo Rongo, a mysterious script from Easter Island, tell a story of fishes mating with birds and giving birth to the Sun, then there are other strange creatures copulating with one another giving birth to more different species. It is almost like the story of the Creation is but a big orgy.
It would make sense if the pyramids had a similar underlying message/use. The snake was a very common symbol in ancient times, the snake in the Garden of Eden, the intertwined snakes of the Sumerians that may represent the DNA, the Kundalini serpent of the Hindus.
In the bible God punished the Devil by turning him into a snake and forcing him to crawl upon the Earth, yet in Ancient Egypt they placed the snakes on the heads of the birds, like they were trying to uplift that basic energy.
Quetzalcoatl, of the Aztecs, who came from the stars and taught them civilization, he is depicted as a snake man.
I can't really make sense of all this yet, but it would be cool to see what you may come up with.
The old testament kind of has things backwards, or at least from a different perspective. Greek mythology tells a similar tale, but with different (virtues? protagonists?)
Where god is ticked that we ate the fruit, the ancient greeks are rejoiced. Zeus is the bringer of knowledge, signified by the lightning bolt he carries. The serpent is the enlightener, and not the trickster. Athena is Eve, burst from the head of Zeus-Knowledge. Cain, is Hephaestus, at first banished because of his deformities, but later revered by Zeus for his loyalty to the knowledge brought out by the serpent's deeds. Seth (the ancestor of Jesus) is Ares, the god of war, whom everyone despises.
Atlas (the giant holding up the sky) symbolizes the removal of god from our everyday doings. We are the boss of what we choose to do.
Interesting view, if you ask me.
Wow man I think I understand it now! Holy sh** this is amazing, it would take some time to put it properly, collect some images and stuff but here's the basic idea:
First came the Sumerian Gods, all they wanted was to dominate and use the planet, they were experimenting with genetics and everything, creating their chimeras and lulus, but they never had the best of their intentions in mind.
Then came the Egyptian Gods, they were members of a confederation involved with optimizing the genome. They created their bases and institutes where people from all parts of the Universe went to participate in the program, it would greatly benefit all the races. Their logo, the winged snake, symbolized the uplifting of the DNA.
Adam and Eve were a creation of the Sumerian Gods, they would generate all the pure sons and daughters of God.
Everything was going fine, though these Gods were not exactly friends and had such radically different agendas, they didn't interfere with one another.
But then it happened, Eve betrayed the Sumerian Gods and was 'bit by the snake', she decided to participate in the program of the Egyptian Gods.
These people were part of a program, they volunteered to mix their DNA, 'his snake with hers', for the betterment of the races:
(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums2/ATgAAABcCn2v4pxwfA7Nml12H0BNEuvCGq9HnRNMZnqqZ-PWUpZ6XtfJwwC0a9I8WyllxZjMv0uVzaEcwvbLxDRT8UziAJtU9VC2JRyof18Q0lDs84nnxJ7vWx4S4A.jpg)
The institute:
http://www.janeng.com/travel/images/kom_ombo_web.jpg
The Persians might have thought "What a bunch of perverted fools, we'll take over this planet!" :-)
so where all the pyramids used to put there king in it?
Quote from: 369 on February 14, 2008, 15:22:36
no you are right
and now that I think about it CFTraveler you are right (remembered something before that was aligned).
but also I want everyone to see the pyramid in the picture for that will be a KEY clue later (I'm sure of it)
Quote from: 369 on February 15, 2008, 00:42:40
so where all the pyramids used to put there king in it?
I don't know, that notion is highly controvertible.
It says they were either used as temples or for kings
Quote(http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1710/pyramidlg9.png)
Notice how the power is drawn from the bottom. The base of the bottom pyramid is the force. All the elements and energies of creation at our feet so to speak. they then peak or meet in the root chakra as you had mentioned in the thread. From there you will note how they then do the opposite of the bottom pyramid and literally explode towards the mind. At the crown chakra area you will see the other pyramid base which corresponds to your potential to use the forces of the universe. Well done man. Well done.
Just gonna comment on a few things in the thread.
Quote:
Is this your opinion, or is it based on what someone else said? And if the second one, who? How can humans be used to go to a higher frequency, and what makes it higher?
Look into fear vibes and death in rituals, how they use the fear and murder as drug. Of course those that feed on these things can then manifest as they consume to manifest. Without that explosion of energy they simply watch from a sideline and cannot get anything out of the ritual. Also look into the cult pedophiles. Hubbard, Crowley, crap like the super advernture club, the Hubbard yacht cruises. They believed that by sexual intercourseing little kids, they would live forever because they literally stole their energies in these rapes. Children are also pure to them and are a "full battery". Bad words but the point is there. Look into it. It gets really strange when you see what people are into.
QuoteQuoteI wrote:
Is this your opinion, or is it based on what someone else said? And if the second one, who? How can humans be used to go to a higher frequency, and what makes it higher?
You answered:
Look into fear vibes and death in rituals, how they use the fear and murder as drug. Of course those that feed on these things can then manifest as they consume to manifest.
This is a belief, not a fact. Where did you get this belief?
QuoteWithout that explosion of energy they simply watch from a sideline and cannot get anything out of the ritual. Also look into the cult pedophiles. Hubbard, Crowley, crap like the super advernture club, the Hubbard yacht cruises. They believed that by sexual intercourseing little kids, they would live forever because they literally stole their energies in these rapes.
This is what they believed. This is what they said. Why do you state this as if it were true?
QuoteChildren are also pure to them and are a "full battery". Bad words but the point is there. Look into it. It gets really strange when you see what people are into.
I understand that Crowley died in a bad way because of the bad way he lived.
But how is this connected with what you said before?
You wrote: Humans can be used to go to a higher frequency.
I asked: How do you know this? Do you believe this?
And you told me how Crowley used depravity to 'get power'.
What does one thing have to do with the other, and why do you believe that this would work, knowing that Crowley probably died of VD, a raving lunatic?
I was quoting someone else.
Quote from: 369 on February 18, 2008, 22:39:59
I was quoting someone else.
Sorry, if you were quoting somebody else (and I don't see somebody else's name on the quote, btw) as an aswer to my question, as far as I can see.
So do you think that is the answer to my question?
If not, why did you quote that as an answer to my question?
Pyramids don't necessarily mean much. We are all humans, hence we think somewhat a like all around the world.
Notice that civilizations which never had contact with each other also developed other things in common:
Pots, clay, some form of housing, some form of cloths, some form of weapon... etc. etc.
At some point they developed pyramids, probably because its a simple shape to build (at least more simple then towers since the center point of gravity is very stable).
Now some things are just invented by most civilizations and some are shown by one to the other.
Actually some civilizations which build pyramids had contact with each other at one point.
Simple question:
Why does everyone think humans are to dumb and to unskilled to invent things on their own? It always has to be God, aliens or some other beeing which is not human.
500,000 years from now someone will probably also say that the number 0 or so was actually brought to us by Aliens or God :roll:
Quote from: Mydral on March 02, 2008, 13:16:51
Pyramids don't necessarily mean much. We are all humans, hence we think somewhat a like all around the world.
Notice that civilizations which never had contact with each other also developed other things in common:
Pots, clay, some form of housing, some form of cloths, some form of weapon... etc. etc.
At some point they developed pyramids, probably because its a simple shape to build (at least more simple then towers since the center point of gravity is very stable).
Now some things are just invented by most civilizations and some are shown by one to the other.
Actually some civilizations which build pyramids had contact with each other at one point.
Simple question:
Why does everyone think humans are to dumb and to unskilled to invent things on their own? It always has to be God, aliens or some other beeing which is not human.
500,000 years from now someone will probably also say that the number 0 or so was actually brought to us by Aliens or God :roll:
I live in America.
This is fascinating, and disturbing: http://www.book-of-thoth.com/article1238.html
I read it and indeed found it fascinating. However, I don't get why they decided:
1-The code had to be designed (shows a preconceived notion, and I would think that for a code programmer this would be their starting position)
2-Why it had to be extraterrestrial- The meat of the discovery is clear about:
The non-coding sequences are common to all living organisms on Earth, from molds to fish to humans. This tells me that cancer is something that is common to all organisms on earth- so why the et connection?
This indeed may give us a cure for cancer- cancer indeed is something that does not support health and longevity, but to say that this is the reason to assume it wasn't created on earth is-suspect.
It's like saying that because killer bees contaminate other bees and are harmful to practically all other living creatures they must have been genetically programmed by something not of this earth.
This reads like the ET version of the old theistic creationist 'clock mechanism' explanation as an excuse for it.
Like I said, I basically agree with the idea of panspermia for a very simple reason, (which is besides the point of this post) but I don't see how this discovery is in any way related to it.
True, since they are proposing an alternative solution for the non-coding genes presence, without more information this is simply an entertaining hypothesis. When one puts that into a context tough, it can help us evaluate the indications. Let's say for instance that the probe on Mars finds a kind of bacteria that has the same type of sequences as the earthly organisms, that would add weight to the nonrandom nature of the coding, for if it the sequences were an evolutionary trait one would expect to find totally different arrangements in alien organisms. Being nonrandom therefore it had to be designed, the cells are definitely following the same predetermined instructions. But yes, some could say it's God, some could say it's ET.
Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on March 05, 2008, 15:50:45
True, since they are proposing an alternative solution for the non-coding genes presence, without more information this is simply an entertaining hypothesis. When one puts that into a context tough, it can help us evaluate the indications. Let's say for instance that the probe on Mars finds a kind of bacteria that has the same type of sequences as the earthly organisms, that would add weight to the nonrandom nature of the coding, for if it the sequences were an evolutionary trait one would expect to find totally different arrangements in alien organisms. Being nonrandom therefore it had to be designed, the cells are definitely following the same predetermined instructions. But yes, some could say it's God, some could say it's ET.
I belief in aliens, ok...but this article doesn't connect it at all.
QuoteLet's say for instance that the probe on Mars finds a kind of bacteria that has the same type of sequences as the earthly organisms, that would add weight to the nonrandom nature of the coding, for if it the sequences were an evolutionary trait one would expect to find totally different arrangements in alien organisms. Being nonrandom therefore it had to be designed, the cells are definitely following the same predetermined instructions. But yes, some could say it's God, some could say it's ET.
But there are a few things (I don't want to call them facts) to consider:
Both Mars and the Earth have been hit by asteroids and meteors, etc, that came from the same places (Can't remember, the Kuyper belt?) so if the idea of panspermia is correct, then we are all descended from microorganisms that came in through these meteors or asteroids.
This is obviously not proven (and I don't know if it's even probable) but it brings on the idea that DNA may be extraterrestrial, though not necessarily planned by an intelligence (Leaving God aside from this convo for now, because we can get really complicated really fast) it would show why there could have been the same microorganisms in Mars as in Earth- because both got 'colonized [in the biological sense] while the Earth was in the 'primordial soup' phase.
I find this idea compelling because really ancient microorganisms needed different things to thrive and were adapted to conditions that would destroy us now. They actually had to adapt to oxygen when it became abundant. This is in the fossil record. So what I'm saying is that primitive life here on earth was abundantly different than it is today, in a very basic sense. So what I'm trying to say is that I applaud that they're trying to find evidence of ET genetics here, but I think they jumped the boat on this one.
I also believe that aliens created us.
QuoteBoth Mars and the Earth have been hit by asteroids and meteors, etc, that came from the same places (Can't remember, the Kuyper belt?) so if the idea of panspermia is correct, then we are all descended from microorganisms that came in through these meteors or asteroids.
The problem I see is that due to the extremely high levels of radiation that occur in outer space, be it from the Sun or Cosmic Rays, living organisms wouldn't be able to survive the travel. Meteorites and asteroids would be completely sterilized before they got anywhere, and if they didn't, the iron melting temperatures reached during the passage through the atmosphere would wipe out any traces of life that might have existed there.
QuoteThis is obviously not proven (and I don't know if it's even probable) but it brings on the idea that DNA may be extraterrestrial, though not necessarily planned by an intelligence (Leaving God aside from this convo for now, because we can get really complicated really fast) it would show why there could have been the same microorganisms in Mars as in Earth- because both got 'colonized [in the biological sense] while the Earth was in the 'primordial soup' phase.
I find this idea compelling because really ancient microorganisms needed different things to thrive and were adapted to conditions that would destroy us now. They actually had to adapt to oxygen when it became abundant. This is in the fossil record.
See, supposing that they survived an arduous space travel, for these very reasons the organisms shouldn't show the same genetic sequencing. They had to survive under very different conditions: different distances to the Sun, different atmospheric compositions, different environments, etc. Now, what if the sequences were the same? That's when things get interesting.
Meteors and asteroids are not as relevant to the history and development of the planets as they are portrayed to be. This is a very long story, actually a very big conspiracy, or preferably, a big play of interests. The importance of those loose space rocks have never been accepted until the late 1950's, when planetary science started growing and they became aware of what's going on 'out there'. They realized that it would be undesirable for people to know of these matters, maybe fearing that people would panic, maybe not wanting the public to know that it's out of their control, so theories were embraced, not because of their validity, but because things needed to be addressed to mold the mind of the people before the geology of our neighbouring planets could be spoken of.
QuoteSo what I'm saying is that primitive life here on earth was abundantly different than it is today, in a very basic sense. So what I'm trying to say is that I applaud that they're trying to find evidence of ET genetics here, but I think they jumped the boat on this one.
I'm not sure that I agree with their conclusions either, I just feel there's something there.
QuoteMeteors and asteroids are not as relevant to the history and development of the planets as they are portrayed to be. This is a very long story, actually a very big conspiracy, or preferably, a big play of interests. The importance of those loose space rocks have never been accepted until the late 1950's, when planetary science started growing and they became aware of what's going on 'out there'. They realized that it would be undesirable for people to know of these matters, maybe fearing that people would panic, maybe not wanting the public to know that it's out of their control, so theories were embraced, not because of their validity, but because things needed to be addressed to mold the mind of the people before the geology of our neighbouring planets could be spoken of.
Sources?
www.freewebs.com/hiddenhistory
I'm fine with the concept that previous civilizations were more advanced that we give them credit for, but I don't get why the 'conspiracy' idea. I don't see any 'undeniable proof of conspiracy'- more like our tendency to think we're the 'highest point in evolution'- our cultural ego, as history has shown over and over, that makes us think we're 'the lords of creation' somehow entitled to be 'it', and naturally resisting any ideas that suggest otherwise.
As to conspiracy, true or false, I don't know, but not necessarily based on any facts.
As some people say, a good conspiracy can't be undeniable, because then it's not a conspiracy anymore, but a proven fact. Still there's a lot more evidence, that was just the 'tip of the iceberg', but things start to get way too serious, and I'm not sure that I wanna get into that yet. I'd like to think that there are good conspiracies, like people working silenty for the betterment of the situation, but it seems that it's always cover ups and manipulation of information, and it stinks.
Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on March 07, 2008, 15:13:41
As some people say, a good conspiracy can't be undeniable, because then it's not a conspiracy anymore, but a proven fact. Still there's a lot more evidence, that was just the 'tip of the iceberg', but things start to get way too serious, and I'm not sure that I wanna get into that yet. I'd like to think that there are good conspiracies, like people working silenty for the betterment of the situation, but it seems that it's always cover ups and manipulation of information, and it stinks.
I think the aliens are going to show themselves after 2012.
It's not that far off.
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8853/pyramidhallwayhx3.png)
http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2007/uk2007au.shtml#pic4
I'm sorry I have been posting 1 liners lately.
Quote from: Mydral on March 02, 2008, 13:16:51
Pyramids don't necessarily mean much. We are all humans, hence we think somewhat a like all around the world.
Sounds like you are naive. If humans think so alike then why don't we all have the same cultures? Pyramids are one of the common things that different cultures share. So if you truly believe that pyramids don't mean much like I said you are naive or maybe you just didn't think of that.
This is what I think I'm gonna have to do...find out every single civilization that made pyramids and match up what is common with each one, with all of them and what they have different about each other. After that I think we will have a better understanding.
QuoteThis is what I think I'm gonna have to do...find out every single civilization that made pyramids and match up what is common with each one, with all of them and what they have different about each other. After that I think we will have a better understanding.
To me you've found out already. Doesn't the apex point to the genitals? That's what they were doing, I have no doubt, procreation.
Quote from: 369 on March 10, 2008, 14:53:37
I'm sorry I have been posting 1 liners lately.
Sounds like you are naive. If humans think so alike then why don't we all have the same cultures? Pyramids are one of the common things that different cultures share. So if you truly believe that pyramids don't mean much like I said you are naive.
We aren't here to make snide remarks about other people, are we guys? Just because someone see's something in a different way than you do, you shouldn't go calling them names. We are more mature than that.
Continuing to the topic, I don't know what I believe about aliens creating us. It don't deny that it could have happened like that, however, I don't have any problem believing that we occurred naturally either. I know that organisms as advanced or perhaps even more advanced MUST have occurred naturally, sometime, somewhere, so I don't find it difficult to believe that we were. If we weren't created naturally, then how did the "aliens" that created us come into existence? They could have been occurred naturally, or THEY could have been created by other "aliens". I do know though, that this line couldn't have started with organisms created by aliens (naturally, because that would contradict it self). The whole situation is very paradoxical. In conclusion, I have no problem believing that we occurred naturally, because I know that it is very possible.
As for the pyramids, I just honestly don't know what to think about how they were created, or who they were created, not even what they were created for, but I love reading all of these different theories though. And andrew, i love your site dude. It's so informative and you don't talk like you are trying force people to believe your theories. Plus you give proof, and you actually go into depth about why you think what you do, instead of just saying here is what I believe and I'm not going to try and prove it, so thank you for puting together all of your research and sharing it, and 369, I can't wait to read the final product.
Hi, thanks a lot dotster! I'm glad to hear that, it's good to receive this feedback.
369, I think that's a great idea. I started doing that but lost interest at some point.
Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on March 10, 2008, 16:08:53
To me you've found out already. Doesn't the apex point to the genitals? That's what they were doing, I have no doubt, procreation.
Did I miss part of this conversation?
Muy confusa. :?
Quote from: 369 on March 10, 2008, 14:53:37
Sounds like you are naive. If humans think so alike then why don't we all have the same cultures? Pyramids are one of the common things that different cultures share. So if you truly believe that pyramids don't mean much like I said you are naive or maybe you just didn't think of that.
Hmmm....369, what u r pointing to has just abt the same probability of being a fact as that of what mydral said.Everything which has been said here are mere opinions and nothing with absolute facts and experimental details, and even if u have sources , these sources are also just speculations again.So everything here is an opinion,and none of it could be a reality,so lets not make anything here our bible and be similar in a way to some zealots we have in our society and learn to be flexible.
I might be slightly inclined to what mydral pointed to , are we giving our history more importance than what it should be given? To understand our past, all we have to do is understand us now,cos in abt 10 000 yrs we have definitely not evolved so much as to distinguish a difference( evolved genetically and wrt dna that is)! We have always been fascinated with nature ,our environment ,always questioned and tried to understand and always been creative!Thus i have to say we human beings are very much alike though in the past we had been divided.
So now to come to the pyramids, look at their basic structure and look around and what reminds u of a large base and sharp tip?there are many natural structures, to start with lets just say a mountain(agreed it isnt a perfect pyramidal structure,far from it, but it can give rise to an idea thanks to our inherent creativity). Our ancestors should be given due credit, cos they were just like us with the same intelligence, and hence perfectly able to create the monuments they created then and attributing them to their beliefs and culture.So if i have been able to express myself clearly, u might wonder now whats so alien about the pyramids or any other structures?If not, just take a paper and draw something whatever comes in ur mind,there u would see ur creativity with some element of logic, and hence then u might believe with some effort structures like the pyramids can be constructed by humans!So now,we can deduce, pyramids have just some historical significance!(abt it being aligned, tht can be done again with time and effort).
Now abt the aliens, this concept is similar to the concept of GOD!If we cant explain something , y do we always bring a greater force?Why dont we accept we are not intelligent enough to understand our universe completely?We could be just like chickens trying to understand quantum physics( that is if they try to )!LOL, but then again this is my opinion , u could be very well right abt aliens,astral, god and stuff.So i guess we should be open minded and not be fixated to any idea or lash an idea however preposterous it might seem.
I do understand this is an opinion. I stated that by saying "Growing Theory Thread" . I not trying to be mean, but I am a mean person sorry.
If there are basic moving joints in the bones and primal geometrical points - you simply color that points saying these are the energy centers and are influenced by aliens somehow???
Seeing a pyramid in it would you give the map of stars?and maybe the reasoning aliens used these pyramids to eject bodies into the outerspace to get rid of them.
The diffrence of the two bodies - the movement of the sun???
Or in your case the rotation of the energy centers which connected to the pyramid.Pyramids which occured not only in Egypts but also in Mayan culture, means humans had no transportation used in Atlantis to build up a Stargate to eject bodies they wanted to get rid of.
What the paintings of DaVinci have to do with Mayan Astrology?
Here is what i think about the pyramids, Back when the project of pyramids was undergoeing.
The son of god (jesus) and the son of the devil (mammon) decended upon the earth manytimes through out the many twinty six thousand years when one came,
they built a pyramid depending on which one it was they would build a shaft to the area that they belonged. (hevan or hell)
However they all became confused as to which one it was for they had lost much knowledge of this.
which came to this, when one of them came they built a pyramid with two shafts leading to both heaven and hell, and i guess they allowed jesus to go back to heaven or something.
When god told moses to led the esrilights from egypt he was saying that the job was complete and that they must travel to the land god gave to them to live on, the new jurusalim.
and the mayans did the same thing, it is my belief that everyone around the world did the same thing but we have too forgoten our job to seal evil from the heavens and to allow good to reign in heaven eternity. However, there is one thing that doesn't quite fit, romulus and remus both sons of mars? or sons of the devil, romulus and remus was said to have been raised by wolves, so if they was raised by wolves, could they have been born of wolves as well? and if so wouldn't that mean they are infact demons and not demi gods? i see life as a test and we are flunking the class.
So the supposed son of god Jesus, scheduled his Earth visits based on the precession of the equinoxes? How materialistic of him.
How did you come up with that information anyway? You know, you shouldn't blindly put faith in all the material that supports a predefined conclusion.
The correct way to do things is first look at the evidence, then draw conclusions. Don't be bound to faith based beliefs.
well he wasn't being materialistic he most likely didn't ask his followers to give him such treasures, but rather they gave those treasures to him, because of the fact that they was curupted by the treasures they possessed thus ridding them selves of there material possesions would rid themselves of their bonds to the physical world. that was what i was getting at but again that wouldn't explain alot of things.
see at the end of my last post i put critisism in it to proove that somethings would be unexplained by my last post and this one. so don't think them to heavaly and i've been reading things that explain alot more.
this is what i've been reading http://www.crystalinks.com/2012.html
I am confused by this so I have lots of questions:
Quote from: kurai kokoro on September 12, 2008, 01:00:46
Here is what i think about the pyramids, Back when the project of pyramids was undergoeing.
The son of god (jesus) and the son of the devil (mammon) decended upon the earth manytimes through out the many twinty six thousand years when one came,
Are you saying that god and the devil are primal dual forces in the universe? You do know that the idea of the devil as a central organized evil didn't exist until the time of the romans?
Quotethey built a pyramid depending on which one it was they would build a shaft to the area that they belonged. (hevan or hell)
Why do you need a material object (a pyramid with a shaft) to go to an immaterial place (heaven or hell)?
QuoteHowever they all became confused as to which one it was for they had lost much knowledge of this.
If they are indeed the children of deities (they used to call those heroes in the time of the greeks, btw) how could they forget stuff? That sounds way too human.
Quotewhich came to this, when one of them came they built a pyramid with two shafts leading to both heaven and hell, and i guess they allowed jesus to go back to heaven or something.
Who allowed Jesus to go to heaven? Who is 'they'? Another comment: In one book of the Bible (and I don't remember which, I'm sure someone can figure this out for me) Jesus states that he went to hell already and is back. So...?
QuoteWhen god told moses to led the esrilights from egypt he was saying that the job was complete and that they must travel to the land god gave to them to live on, the new jurusalim.
When did God say this to Moses? That the job was complete?
Quoteand the mayans did the same thing,
Which is what?
Quoteit is my belief that everyone around the world did the same thing
Which is what?
Quotebut we have too forgoten our job to seal evil from the heavens
When you say 'heavens' do you mean the sky, space, the state of potential before something happens or exists, the astral environment, or what? And why is it our job to do this?
Quoteand to allow good to reign in heaven eternity
Are you saying God needs us to do something to be eternal, to reign, or something else? This version of God, if indeed is what you mean, sounds pretty incomplete (as in needs something) and weak (as in has to have us do something for him). So unless you mean something different, why would God need us (who are temporal) to do something for eternity? I don't understand this.
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QuoteHowever, there is one thing that doesn't quite fit, romulus and remus both sons of mars?
Mars the god of war? The representation of war. That's what the roman myth says.
Quoteor sons of the devil,
Do you mean to say that the roman god mars (out of many roman gods that had many different meanings and roles) is supposed to be the biblical devil? (Or which biblical devil, as the bible has many different personages that are now considered 'the devil' by modern christianity?
Quoteromulus and remus was said to have been raised by wolves, so if they was raised by wolves, could they have been born of wolves as well?
I think you need to study the mythology before you try to fit it to a different (modern) myth. Roman mythology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus) states that Romulus and Remus were sons of Rhea, who was a vestal virgin (that's where the idea of nuns came from originally.) Vestal virgins swore to never marry for life (or be sacrificed). But Rhea had relations with Mars and was sentenced to death. The twins were saved by (not born of) a female wolf who found them in the woods after her own cubs were gone and nursed them to health. In this myth the wolf is a positive symbol, who actually does a good thing-save a hero's life. Why do you equate the wolf with something negative?
Quoteand if so wouldn't that mean they are infact demons and not demi gods? i see life as a test and we are flunking the class.
Just so you know, it happens in nature, and happened recently, that occasionally horrible human mothers abandon their infants. Recently there was a case of a baby who was found in the dumpster, who was being nursed by a female dog who had found him(or her, I don't remember the gender) and basically saved it's life. Someone heard the baby crying and found that it was alive, thanks to a female dog who had recently given birth and was still lactating. So even though the story is a myth, chances are the real Romulus & Remus, if they existed, were the sons of a vestal virgin that strayed, etc. and lived to found Rome.
Which brings me to this- We humans have in us the capability to do great and wonderful things, such as help those who need it, build great monuments and great works of art- but we have also the capability of doing horrible things, just like in the above example I gave (I believe this happened in Florida not too long ago, maybe a month). In other words, the potential for both sides of the behavior are in us, here on earth. Good and evil are two sides of the same coin, and that coin is called material existence. We judge things as good because they benefit us here, and judge things as evil because they harm us here. On earth. So if you want to create good, start with the world- do good things- help others- the opportunities are endless- that's how you improve things in heaven. We're here to do things here- heaven is a state of nonphysicality- where we also dwell. End of rant.
Quote from: kurai kokoro on September 13, 2008, 15:26:10
well he wasn't being materialistic he most likely didn't ask his followers to give him such treasures, but rather they gave those treasures to him, because of the fact that they was curupted by the treasures they possessed thus ridding them selves of there material possesions would rid themselves of their bonds to the physical world. that was what i was getting at but again that wouldn't explain alot of things.
see at the end of my last post i put critisism in it to proove that somethings would be unexplained by my last post and this one. so don't think them to heavaly and i've been reading things that explain alot more.
this is what i've been reading http://www.crystalinks.com/2012.html
What I meant is that in your scenario Jesus is materialistic for basing his visits on a physical cycle that doesn't affect him in any way.
Right here, the site you linked lost any credibility it had:
QuoteIn December 21, 2012, for the first time in approximately 26,000 years, the Sun will rise to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way (eye, heart, center) and the ecliptic plane. The sun aligning with the galactic center, is referred to as the Cosmic Cross.
The 26,000 years cycle, not only it doesn't appear in the long count calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_count#Long_Count_periods), but it also has NOTHING to do with any "galactic alignment". 26 thousand years (or about 25,7 to be more precise), is the length of the precession of the equinoxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession_of_the_equinoxes).
I have an Idea, According to what I have read I now come to realize something,
In All ancient cultures there are lesser gods, and a god of gods, take ancient Greece, Rome, Vikings, so on and so forth for an example. now here is my theory.
the ancient Egyptians gave us the most simply deceptive symbols that we take for granted, the sun, the dead, fertility, the moon, the hunt, and so on and so forth, now to the point, what is the most common theme of all mythology?
well
1. the gods are pretty much the same or have the same role {I.E. Anubis / hades / Pluto.)
2. in all mythology there are quests involved.
3. there are monsters involved.
4. there are tasks involved.
and here is my point, the gods in all mythology aren't gods at all, but rather they are symbols of a higher state of being. Zeus being the last, and if my memory serves me correctly in India they can nearly stop their heart this would be hades/ Pluto/ Anubis. and they left the pyramids so that we can remember the keys to true immortality which is this.
again if my memory serves me correctly when a saint becomes a saint they get what is called stigmata and they smell of flowers and are perserved, well when you reach the highest state of being you will then have been given immortality, and just so you are wondering the only way to become immortal is through death (the immortal soul.) some people may claim that you can reconstruct your DNA to become immortal but I'm highly doubtfull that the person would still be alive after words, then again i wouldn't know because I'm not that high of a being yet. and there is my theory.
What I don't understand is why are we so focused on a specific time and date?
What I mean is...our "plane" or dimension views time as linear...just one direction which is forward. But when we are dealing with a higher being...they are not affected by time. There is no time with God (or whatever you call him) He is greater than time....
so how can we say that 12/12/2012 is "the date" that will life as we know it?
I don't know...it is just a theory of mine. But I am sure something will happen...whether it's a revelation with humanity or something epic...but not the end of humanity. and it won't be because of "aliens"...it would most likely be from believing something would have happend...maybe
damn this is a controversial and confusing topic.
Pace.
Quote from: kurai kokoro on September 14, 2008, 17:41:25
I have an Idea, According to what I have read I now come to realize something,
In All ancient cultures there are lesser gods, and a god of gods, take ancient Greece, Rome, Vikings, so on and so forth for an example. now here is my theory.
the ancient Egyptians gave us the most simply deceptive symbols that we take for granted, the sun, the dead, fertility, the moon, the hunt, and so on and so forth, now to the point, what is the most common theme of all mythology?
well
1. the gods are pretty much the same or have the same role {I.E. Anubis / hades / Pluto.)
2. in all mythology there are quests involved.
3. there are monsters involved.
4. there are tasks involved.
and here is my point, the gods in all mythology aren't gods at all, but rather they are symbols of a higher state of being. Zeus being the last, and if my memory serves me correctly in India they can nearly stop their heart this would be hades/ Pluto/ Anubis. and they left the pyramids so that we can remember the keys to true immortality which is this.
again if my memory serves me correctly when a saint becomes a saint they get what is called stigmata and they smell of flowers and are perserved, well when you reach the highest state of being you will then have been given immortality, and just so you are wondering the only way to become immortal is through death (the immortal soul.) some people may claim that you can reconstruct your DNA to become immortal but I'm highly doubtfull that the person would still be alive after words, then again i wouldn't know because I'm not that high of a being yet. and there is my theory.
I think you might find Carl Jung's theory of archetypes interesting, Kurai.
do you have a link you can share? :-D thanks in advance.
http://www.iloveulove.com/psychology/jung/jungarchetypes.htm
that was quite interesting. thank you.
Thanks Stookie for the link.
I just wanted to leave this here, for who want to read this. Not a scientific article, it's actually channeled material. But I personally like the message.
http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2008/10/2012-and-the-end-of-the-world/
wow that was a good read, a little short though, but a good read.
Your theory doesn't make sense to me personally. I hope you don't think i'm being closed-minded. :|
It's not my theory, so no worries. I just agree with it.
Quote from: Mattoid on October 18, 2008, 15:11:43
Your theory doesn't make sense to me personally. I hope you don't think i'm being closed-minded. :|
Sorry I haven't been here in so long guys. No I don't think your closed minded. Especially if you doesn't make sense. How can one agree to something that doesn't make sense. Even if you don't agree it's not being closed minded. The only closed minded thing would be to say it's dumb and shun it off. Basically ignorance would be. So don't worry about it.
You will find Graham Hancock's book Supernatural helpful & informative.
regards Christiana
Aliens are actually ready to help us regarding the difficult changes we are facing. Planet X, also called Nibiru or Hercolubus is going to accelerate Earth axis shift. A video at www.hercolubus.tv shows the main changes that will occur in the coming years. That is also what Mayans predicted. But what is true is that we can take some steps and prepare ourselves internally by shedding our inner darkness so that new light can come to us.
The reason more highly advanced individuals from other worlds or realms have not currently helped us, at least from an obvious conscious perspective, is because we have collectively decided not to receive any help, and if they do intervene at some point in our experiential reality then it will be because we have decided on a collective level to allow them to assist us. Personally I would prefer they did not. Rather, I would find it much more rewarding that we evolve to the next level of human evolution all on our own, and it is where I maintain my focus that we as a global community come together in selfless service to one another through Unconditional Love as we make it through this great transition. Then when we are ready we will instead visit these other individuals from other worlds and come together as a Universal community.
From my perspective I have been observing 2 very distinct groups of people becoming more defined every day. Those who are focused on the negative and those who are focused on the positive, and the gap between these 2 groups are growing at every passing moment. So much so that I feel these 2 groups will soon no longer be able to exist on the same plane because of the significant vibrational differences. How these 2 groups make it through this great transition, what events take place, who remains on Earth, who doesn't, etc. remains to be seen and is of course decided by the collective.
I just finished watching the Hercolubus video. If the events in the video were to occur it would be quite an interesting experience on an individual level to say the least. But it's nothing more than just an experience. The video appears to paint a doom, gloom, death and destruction for those who are not prepared. Given that we are all immortal, the type and magnitude of the so-called "catastrophes" that could occur are irrelevant. Every individual will continue to experience life in some plane of reality whether the physical vehicles in which the individual inhabits survive the events or not. It's not an event anyone should run away and hide from. To do so would only deny themselves from experiencing a grand cosmic event from a physical perspective no matter how "destructive" it might be perceived. At the same time it would be interesting to see how the people would react to such an event. Will most pull together and help one another through the perceived "chaos"? Will most panic, try to runaway in fear and despair and think of only their own safety? For myself personally I would not be able to overcome the overwhelming desire to help as many as I possibly could through the "trauma". If something like this were to occur it would be a grand learning experience not to be passed up and should be gladly welcomed as every event that occurs no matter how subtle or extreme they are perceived should be welcomed. Would you choose to reject and fear it, or would you choose to welcome and embrace it? It reminds me of the movie Armegeddon where Rockhound summed it up nicely when he said
Quote from: RockhoundGuess what guys, it's time to embrace the horror! Look, we've got front row tickets to the end of the earth!"
If this planet X were to arrive into our solar system then there's no point in rejecting the experience just as there's no point in rejecting any experience. Instead I'm quite certain the planet would be welcomed by the other planets of the solar as they participate in the ongoing "cosmic dance" so to speak. Each and every planet, as well as all life, are individual aspects of Source with their own individual consciousness who continuously communicate with each other just as they also communicate with us - very similar to the way we communicate with our cells. The video calls the planet the "Destroyer" which is focusing on a negative aspect. I would rather call the planet a catalyst, which has neither a positive or negative connotation.
Ive noticed certain people are pushing the edgar cayce ideas (the significance of 2500 for example). Its a massive problem in this field because cayce and his followers (buvaad,hancock etc...) this is a big problem in that it has swamped any truth in the field with these idiots chasing cayces rubbish predictions. non existant messages from mars and fake significant dates etc..
its good for distraction and NOTHING else.
some people need a lil distraction at times it helps them have some time away from chaos, however somethings are good to be wrong, mistacks are what makes us human we learn from them okay, unfortunitly we still haven't learned from our mistacks of war.