http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgtc_Dhnlr0
watch this video and tell me what you think ? I'm not a christian by the way im not taking any sides just watching this video with a open mind
interesting video thanks for sharing 8-)
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no problems its something i came across searching new age
I dont trust it ;p
Yes, some of these elites and secret societies are preaching some of the stuff about god being evil.. >.>
BUT I am a new age follower, but I believe in Christianity ;D
I actually have a goal to write a book, re translating the bibles metaphors to make the new age beliefs more valid..
I DO NOT want a one world government.. GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE ABOLISHED. We need.. "god" to guide everyone ;p.. Threw massive crystals that interconnect all over the world.
I feel sorry for christains sometimes cause of there lack of Knowledge when it comes to spiritual things. They feel that cause people reject the bible they reject god... But infact alot of spiritual people use the bible and many other religus text to improve themselves and there connection with god better.
There's 1 god and 1 reailty and every human have a diffent way of connecting to god ither it's in a group or personal but the path is still the same.. I just wish they can understand that god isn't the bible and the word is with god, the only way to know the word if you can be with god.. Hence there saying "repent and turn to god" lol that is what spiritual people already do!
Christains version of john chapt 1:
In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God. John 1:1)
Here's the real version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1)
The word is with god.... Not the bible.
I found an intresting group which i'm amazed at how they see the bible. Even they know that you gotta meditate and silence the mind to be with god and learn his wisdom: http://www.hallvworthington.com/teacher.html
They call themselves "the Quakers".
Christains are there own worst enemy at times...
Quote from: Karas on September 01, 2011, 10:30:40
Christains are there own worst enemy at times...
We can actually extend that to...
It doesn't matter what you believe, religious or otherwise... "people" are their own worst enemy.
Quote from: HiRes on August 31, 2011, 20:55:14
BUT I am a new age follower, but I believe in Christianity ;D
I actually have a goal to write a book, re translating the bibles metaphors to make the new age beliefs more valid..
to many people have done this and the hardcore christains won't listen and say that people are taking things out of context etc... There was a guy who is a christain and he went to extreme and wrote a book all based on Eckhart Tolle's "A New Earth" book saying that Eckart is deceiving people and taking "verses" out of "context" in the bible etc. In this world it's almost impossable to have your own opions without some angry group destroying it and turn it into something evil..
Quote from: Karas on September 02, 2011, 08:47:32
to many people have done this and the hardcore christains won't listen and say that people are taking things out of context etc... There was a guy who is a christain and he went to extreme and wrote a book all based on Eckhart Tolle's "A New Earth" book saying that Eckart is deceiving people and taking "verses" out of "context" in the bible etc. In this world it's almost impossable to have your own opions without some angry group destroying it and turn it into something evil..
Well, see... if someone was to do that in an "effort" to "convert" people... then you're really no better than any hardcore Christian trying to do the same.
The point here is to just give people the information, don't force it upon them... it's entirely up to them if they choose to read it. If they do read it, it's then entirely up to them if they want to look deeper into it. And if they want to look deeper into it, then it's entirely up to them if they want to make that information part of their being.
We shouldn't be pushing anything on anyone (not that I'm saying you are, I'm just giving general advice).
Remember, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"... there's so much truth in that. :)
I'm muslim , in islam you learn all the main religions , you learn about all the prophets . But we dont point what god is . You cant never no what god is god is not a book god is not a person once lived god is god and we wont find out who god is untill we die .. People of the new age movement would be surprised if they actually read the Qur'an. Media makes it looks the oppisite
Oh and Spiritually and Religion is a whole different subject I think . Spiritually is something personal connecting with the nature people even your self and Religion is being thankfull and staying on the right track to avoid making poor decisions
Quote from: Ryan_ on September 02, 2011, 09:38:52
Well, see... if someone was to do that in an "effort" to "convert" people... then you're really no better than any hardcore Christian trying to do the same.
The point here is to just give people the information, don't force it upon them... it's entirely up to them if they choose to read it. If they do read it, it's then entirely up to them if they want to look deeper into it. And if they want to look deeper into it, then it's entirely up to them if they want to make that information part of their being.
We shouldn't be pushing anything on anyone (not that I'm saying you are, I'm just giving general advice).
Remember, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"... there's so much truth in that. :)
I agree totally!.. My goal, is just to have the information available, in an easy to access manner..
Also, I want to add more than just words from the bible.. I plan on connecting history into the bible, and making it even more valid..
My goal, is to just have the option open to Christians.. That way, they cannot say anything I say is invalid.. AS it is said in the bible :D
I will connect stuff it talks about in the bible, to things that really happened in the past.. like for instance, it mentions that they came from Egypt.. Well, right before christianity came along, akhenaten came to egypt and tried to get Egypt back to a one god perspective.. He even taught 300 individuals how to become immortal.. those 300 people i believe went out and started creating other religions on the planet that all had one god.. just in a different way.. >.> 2 of these people even gave birth to Jesus ;D they mated interdeminsionally
Quote from: HiRes on August 31, 2011, 20:55:14
I dont trust it ;p
Yes, some of these elites and secret societies are preaching some of the stuff about god being evil.. >.>
BUT I am a new age follower, but I believe in Christianity ;D
I actually have a goal to write a book, re translating the bibles metaphors to make the new age beliefs more valid..
I DO NOT want a one world government.. GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE ABOLISHED. We need.. "god" to guide everyone ;p.. Threw massive crystals that interconnect all over the world.
I tried to stay out of this topic because there were many inaccuracies in it, but this is the worst. The idea of 'God' being evil believed by New Agers is not a fact, it's a misinterpretation of ideas they inherited from Gnostic teachings. This is because of what was in the Bible or in Apocryphal texts.
In the gnostic tradition (and in apocryphal gospels that at one time or another were part of christian tradition) there are two creation stories, a first creation in which the Male and Female manifestation of God create a 'Physical' representation of God which is flawed, and this flawed pseudo god is who creates paradise. Then God realizes this is not right, destroys the earth, and creates it again, the second time in seven days. Adam is present in the first creation and Eve is given to him in the second creation.
This is the Gnostic interpretation of Genesis, the Book of Enoch and Exodus, which gives you more information and makes more sense from a storytelling point of view- later on the book of Enoch was taken out and we have two creation stories that are different and there are people and things in the middle that don't make sense- because part of the story was taken out.
Now, the new age religion doesn't have any set belief about creation, the belief is in the ascended masters, etc. but many of the old occultists read the gnostic texts and interpreted the above as the creator (being different than god) being flawed and the snake (which was a seraph and had nothing to do with lucifer) helping them get intelligence or knowledge.
The interpretation of the group that put this out is either ignorant of their own history or is bending some facts (not all, some occultists didn't understand what they were reading and came to the same conclusions/beliefs) and misunderstanding others.
Which is too bad, the history is too interesting.
God did not destroy the earth, the archons did, with the flood and the conflagration, out of envy, because of the race that came down. That is, the true God only sent the spirits to this place to save the souls of the worthy ones, destroying the rule of the gods of chaos.
Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on September 03, 2011, 12:08:18
God did not destroy the earth, the archons did, with the flood and the conflagration, out of envy, because of the race that came down. That is, the true God only sent the spirits to this place to save the souls of the worthy ones, destroying the rule of the gods of chaos.
I think you're missing the point of my post.
It's not about the details, it's about the logic and misunderstanding of what may have been a symbolic creation myth that was inherited from previous cultures, butchered up, rewritten, and then taken literally by people, and resulting in all kinds of interesting ideas that may or may not have something to do with what actually happened.
I guess I still don't get it then, because there was not a single version from the beginning. They all had conflicting ideas, many different 'myths' in regards to the origin of good and evil, the nature of the universe and how it all began.
The version I spoke of is not a detailed explanation, but the one that stands out the most for its validity.
That is exactly what I am saying- the Gnostic gospels' origins can be seen many years previously in older myths, and we have no way to know which one is 'more' accurate- if at all. So for someone to come on later and interpret (and there's nothing wrong with that, almost all spiritual and religious groups do that) according to what makes sense to them is ok, but to use these conclusions and use them to discredit others (which is what the group in the OP did, IMO) is another thing. And when you have religious groups condemning practices others have or believe in, well, we know what happens next.
Crusades or death Fatwas..... based on interpretation.
Quote from: HiRes on August 31, 2011, 20:55:14
I dont trust it ;p
Yes, some of these elites and secret societies are preaching some of the stuff about god being evil.. >.>
BUT I am a new age follower, but I believe in Christianity ;D
I actually have a goal to write a book, re translating the bibles metaphors to make the new age beliefs more valid..
I DO NOT want a one world government.. GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE ABOLISHED. We need.. "god" to guide everyone ;p.. Threw massive crystals that interconnect all over the world.
New age is a religion much like christianity, only much worse. Who do you think created the new age religion in the first place.
Religion;
1:
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2:
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
I guess in that sence the new age movement is like a religion but how is it worst? In my understanding of the new age stuff is they seek peace/love/spiritual pratice and to connect with the sorce or god etc. They don't convert people or scare people with distruction which Christains love doing and many other fearful religions out there. Now days there goal is to raise the consciousness and be one with everything "one is all and all is one".
It would be worst if people follow the new age groups without understanding what they got themselves into and have no experience's themselves which Jesus would call "blind faith" 1 blind man follows the other blind man and both fell down a hole.
(random off topic thought lol...)
Isn't it intresting when a child is born and the perents are religus and raise the child to follow there beliefs? I'd say that the child would be born blind
Quote from: Karas on September 12, 2011, 05:20:39
Religion;
1:
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2:
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
I guess in that sence the new age movement is like a religion but how is it worst?
New Age is a religion in the technical sense because a church/spiritual center/temple that follows their specific beliefs can be part of their organization, and function as such (as a nonprofit, etc.) I know this because I used to work in a New Thought church who used to get 'labeled' New Age by people who didn't know the difference.
QuoteIn my understanding of the new age stuff is they seek peace/love/spiritual pratice and to connect with the sorce or god etc. They don't convert people or scare people with distruction which Christains love doing and many other fearful religions out there. Now days there goal is to raise the consciousness and be one with everything "one is all and all is one".
That is general spirituality- a New Age organization has a specific set of beliefs, mainly the belief in reincarnation and Ascended Masters- that we can all evolve and join them is one of their tenets.
QuoteIsn't it intresting when a child is born and the perents are religus and raise the child to follow there beliefs? I'd say that the child would be born blind
All children are taught their parent's beliefs (or caretakers)- whether they are religious or not.
QuoteThat is general spirituality- a New Age organization has a specific set of beliefs, mainly the belief in reincarnation and Ascended Masters- that we can all evolve and join them is one of their tenets.
where did they get the acended master concept from? Is it the same concept to what alot of ancient texts say about how humans were cast out and suffer in the unknown world of suffering and the only way to come back if they become godly etc?
From the literature that the Association of New Age organizations put out occasionally. If I still worked where I used to work (with access to such material) I would get you their address and phone number. But alas, it's been a while since I've traveled in those circles.
I do have some of their pamphlets, and I imagine they derive their beliefs from a combination of historical scripture and possibly channeled information- I'd have to go on a hunt to see what I find. As someone who used to work in a bookstore, I have a lot of books that I haven't read yet- not only New Agey stuff- I also have the book of Mormon and the Spiritualist Bible, for example, from those days.
Quote from: CFTraveler on September 04, 2011, 17:37:33
And when you have religious groups condemning practices others have or believe in, well, we know what happens next.
Crusades or death Fatwas..... based on interpretation.
!? The two actions are not even the least bit comparable!
Fatwas are a mafia/cosa nostra type contract to have someone murdered.
The Crusades were a plain and simple act of self defense. Many recent attempts by objective historians have made this fact clear. Yet, for some reason the Crusades are continually misrepresented by anti-Catholic bigots as a war started to kill pagans. The reality is that it was a simple counter attack against marauding, conquering Muslim armies sweeping across not just Africa and southern Asia but also into Spain and Eastern Europe, Sicily, Italy, France, etc.
The Crusades were a brilliant counter attack that stopped violent Muslim expansion dead in its tracks.
QuoteFatwas are a mafia/cosa nostra type contract to have someone murdered.
A Fatwa is an edict by a legal representative. It can lead to the contract for death, if the guy issuing it has any power. In religious islamic nations, the guys issuing it usually have the power to make it happen.
QuoteThe Crusades were a plain and simple act of self defense. Many recent attempts by objective historians have made this fact clear. Yet, for some reason the Crusades are continually misrepresented by anti-Catholic bigots as a war started to kill pagans.
And also misrepresented by anti-catholic bigots that didn't like the Cathars being killed either?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
And was the Inquisition a little Spanish thing that had nothing to do with the Catholic church either? Those bigots, they're at it again!
The truth is, that when religions of any kind have any political power, religious fervor turns murderous. Of course, the motivation is usually political, but it's easier to convince people to commit atrocities if they somehow believe God supports them.
Sadly, history shows it again and again.
The Albigensians in the Cathar regions HATED Catholics and started that war. It should be called the Albigensian Crusade against Catholics! (only once war started it did not go well for the Cathars). The Roman Church was in many years-long and continual peaceful negotiations with the Cathar nobles over how to stop the murder of Catholic priests and burning of Roman Catholic churches in that region. The murder of the RC Papal Legate in Languedoc in broad daylight was an open act of war and the last straw that broke Rome's patience.
The reason the Spanish Inquisition is called the "Spanish" Inquisition is because, Yes! CFT, it was started by Isabella, Queen of Spain, AGAINST Rome's expressed wishes and direction. You didn't know that? She had sent multiple requests to Rome requesting a ROMAN Inquisition but it was refused, multiple times. After a few years Rome did send a delegation to rein in a certain Dominican named Torquemada. Word reached Rome that he over-zealously served his queen in her plans to solidify the Conquest of Spain by expelling the Jews who did not lift a finger to help her expel the Moors. (That was not an uncommon response to matters of that nature in those days. Actually, it was quite generous and tolerant when compared to other Conquerors in history... look at Genghis Khan, for example).
For those who can set their Bigotry aside, history takes on a whole new look!
:wink:
Oh... and you didn't really reply to my facts about the Crusades. So, what do you think about the Crusades now? Is self defense okay with you?
Edit; seriously -- a HUGE pack of lies has been spread about Church history for so long that complete lies are now taught as actual historical fact in schools.
The Knights Templar were not destroyed by the Pope as that idiot Mr. D Brown said. It was scattered and destroyed by King Phillipe Le Bel of France. Rome vigorously opposed the action and tried to reverse what the King had done but Phillipe won out in the end. He even advanced his armies on Rome three times to drive home his point. The Pope reluctantly dissolved the order about 5 years later after its demise was already a de facto fait accompli.
Also, The Inquisition NEVER threw Galileo in jail and certainly never tortured him. The Inquisiton action with Galileo was REQUESTED by Galileo through his good friend, the Pope! (they were old drinking pals way back when).
As someone who grew up in the catholic church (my father went to seminary school, and I went to catholic church from kindergarten to highschool.)- so if I learned something about the catholic religion I did it from the catholic church.
You are nitpicking about the catholic church and acting as if I were attacking it. I am talking about religion in general- about what happens when religion has the power to dictate laws, as it happens in islamic nations nowadays.
I could have easily added reformation persecution to the mix- the persecution of catholics by the newly-started protestant church- the existence of the Malleus Maleficarus, and other fun things- but I didn't because I didn't realize everyone had to be included before some devout person would spring up to defend the religion of their choice, because that is almost besides the point.
The fact is that the crusades began as 'self defense' against cultural invasion- what is known as bigotry nowadays- and it went from self defense to religious war and killing people for the hell of it- to the point of horrible things like the Children's Crusades. Are you going to tell me this was not blasphemous in and of itself?
Anyway, you are misdirecting this thread, pushing ideological points that are not adding to this, just diverting it from it's point- and the point is not that a specific religion abused its power- the point is that ideology, when given political power, is dangerous and ultimately self-defeating. But not after bloodshed and pain. Unnecessary pain.
Quote from: CFTraveler on September 13, 2011, 09:57:04
As someone who grew up in the catholic church (my father went to seminary school, and I went to catholic church from kindergarten to highschool.)- so if I learned something about the catholic religion I did it from the catholic church.
This is an old line of baloney that I get from ignorant Catholics all the time. Neurotic, self-loathing Catholics have the right to wallow in self hatred all they want but publicly spreading destructive hate mongering, lies about Church history is NOT okay, in my book. You may have learned that the Crusades happened but it appears you have forgotten why. "Cultural expansion" !! hahahahahahahahah!! what a joke! The Muslim expansion was violent WARFARE bent on military CONQUEST and an attempt at world domination. (Amazing just how DEEP the denial can run). :roll:
QuoteYou are nitpicking about the catholic church and acting as if I were attacking it.
Refuting a giant, bald faced, bigoted LIE is not a nitpik. And spreading hate-speech *is* an attack on the Church.
:lol:
QuoteI am talking about religion in general- about what happens when religion has the power to dictate laws, as it happens in islamic nations nowadays.
I could have easily added reformation persecution to the mix- the persecution of catholics by the newly-started protestant church- the existence of the Malleus Maleficarus, and other fun things- but I didn't because I didn't realize everyone had to be included before some devout person would spring up to defend the religion of their choice, because that is almost besides the point.
Again, you are wrong. I am not devout by any means and I am not defending the religion of my choice (I chose to leave my childhood religion decades ago when I turned 18). I am pointing out giant bald faced lies, hatespeech, bigotry and neurotic, self loathing pathology.
QuoteThe fact is that the crusades began as 'self defense' against cultural invasion- what is known as bigotry nowadays- and it went from self defense to religious war and killing people for the hell of it
No. It was a counter-attack against a full on Muslim military invasion of Europe. Read your history again.
Quote- to the point of horrible things like the Children's Crusades. Are you going to tell me this was not blasphemous in and of itself?
Not only was it NOT blasphemous, most of what you think you know about it probably never happened;
According to more recent research there seem to have actually been two movements of people (of all ages) in 1212 in Germany and France.[1][2] The similarities of the two allowed later chroniclers to combine and embellish the tales.
In the first movement, Nicholas, a shepherd from Germany, led a group across the Alps and into Italy in the early spring of 1212. About 7,000 arrived in Genoa in late August. However, their plans did not bear fruit when the waters failed to part as promised, and the band broke up. Some left for home, others may have gone to Rome, and some may have travelled along the coast to Marseilles, where they were probably sold into slavery. Few returned home and none reached the Holy Land.
The second movement was led by a 14 year old French shepherd boy named Stephan of Cloyes, who claimed in June that he bore a letter for the king of France from Jesus. Attracting a crowd of over 30,000 he went to Saint-Denis, where he was seen to work miracles. On the orders of Philip II, on the advice of the University of Paris, the crowd was sent home, and most of them went. None of the contemporary sources mention plans to go to Jerusalem.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Crusade
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I have long suspected something odd about the blatant and rampant anti-Catholic bigotry in the world today. Then I saw a good book that offers some astute observations on the phenomenon;
The New Anti-Catholicism: The Last Acceptable Prejudice written by Philip Jenkins
QuoteAnyway, you are misdirecting this thread, pushing ideological points that are not adding to this,
I was not trying to *add* or pile on to the long running hate fest that I saw emerging -- I merely tried to subtract a common lie and set the record straight.
If the moderator wants to move this to the religion area, I would be fine with that.
QuoteThe New Anti-Catholicism: The Last Acceptable Prejudice
It seems to me that you are being very good at missing the point. But anyway, I'll just add that in modern times the last 'acceptable' prejudice is gay-bashing- from mostly everyone, religious or not.
Quote from: CFTraveler on September 13, 2011, 14:29:50
It seems to me that you are being very good at missing the point. But anyway, I'll just add that in modern times the last 'acceptable' prejudice is gay-bashing- from mostly everyone, religious or not.
I got your point just fine. My point is simply that in the course of making your point you were perpetuating bigoted lies and hate speech.
Note how you never acknowledged my refutations of your falsehoods and my clear demonstrations of just how FALSE your claims were. How hard would it be to say, "gee! thanks... I did not know that. I guess I had been completely duped by all those anti-Catholic bigots out there but now I know better". ?
I have always found that the more bigoted people are, the more obstinately they cling to the lies, falsehoods and hate-speech that they use to give themselves permission to hate.
I think someone would have to be delusional to think, "that in modern times the last 'acceptable' prejudice is gay-bashing- from mostly everyone, religious or not." :? :|
One does not even have to make a bigoted comment about gays to be condemned as a bigot. Simply disagreeing with any tiny part of the gay agenda is enough to be labeled a homophobe! and attacked poste haste from all sides within minutes, if not seconds. But spew anti-Catholic bigotry all day long and almost no one will mention it.
Friends...
Everyone has their own point of view... we're friends here folks. :)
Quote from: Astr4l on August 30, 2011, 21:24:53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgtc_Dhnlr0
watch this video and tell me what you think ? I'm not a christian by the way im not taking any sides just watching this video with a open mind
Interesting video. Thanks for the link. The video appears to display quite a bit of fear from other belief systems that appears to pose a threat to their own. Also, I feel the presenter somewhat misunderstands the crucial significance of global unification towards harmony with nature and this planet.
Here's some videos I found to be quite entertaining and very informative giving their thoughts on our situation leading into a shift into a "New Age" so to speak:
Spirit Science 12_1 - The Rise of Atlantis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq9gaC4R_d8)
Spirit Science 12_2 - Atlantean Catastrophe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k6b95gxzYM)
Spirit Science 12_3 - The Solution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvcMbRRUUM8)
Spirit Science 12_4 - The Fall (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ljz7SVBCoU)
Spirit Science 12_5 - The New Beginning (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNlmJlR6gD0)
QuoteNote how you never acknowledged my refutations of your falsehoods and my clear demonstrations of just how FALSE your claims were.
That's the problem with you- you immediately made it personal. My 'claims' (I never made any claims, I simply mentioned well-known historic incidents) were not refuted, they were denied with ad-hominems- "ignorant anti-catholic people" and when I revealed that I had an extensive catholic background, then you insulted me (and other nonpracticing catholics). Basically it was "if they say it it must not be true because they are so- and so". That's not a refutation. I didn't single out catholic events, I included them in instances in which religions perpetrate acts on 'others'.
Anyway, I'm leaving this conversation, not because of any 'facts' but because you have made it about something else altogether, and insulted me and a bunch of other people, making it personal.
Bye.
Sorry Ryan, for continuing, but now I'm done.
Quote from: CFTraveler on September 13, 2011, 17:21:32
That's the problem with you- you immediately made it personal. My 'claims' (I never made any claims, I simply mentioned well-known historic incidents) were not refuted, they were denied with ad-hominems- "ignorant anti-catholic people" and when I revealed that I had an extensive catholic background, then you insulted me (and other nonpracticing catholics).
You are wrong again, CFT. Yet another unsubstantiated accusation. I made no ad hominems. Why do so many people falsely accuse me like this?... I have a theory but then I would only digress even further were I to explain. I did not make it immediately 'personal' at all. I merely made a general comment about the generic anti-Catholic bigot's standard modus operandi or a comment about the neurotic self loathing often seen in certain groups. I did NOT accuse you directly of any such thing... but if the shoe fits... you a free to wear it -- if you could find a pair of cajones to match! :lol:
8-)
I think covert bigots lost in deep denial (and perpetrating their destructive lies behind a facade of respectable ideological pretense) are far more objectionable than open, honest bigots.
I never made a reference to "ignorant anti-catholic people" like that, CFT! Your accusation borders on an outright aggressive destructive LIE. I too was raised Catholic and educated in the Church by nuns and at the age of 18 simply stopped going to church and shortly thereafter took Initiation in an Eastern Yoga School that I practiced for nearly two decades. So... if you don't mind... get off your HIGH and ridiculously absurd "I was raised Catholic so I have the right to spew all the most putrid, stinking, destructive LIES about the Church that I dang well please" horse. !
okay?
I've heard that one before and it is pure BS.
QuoteBasically it was "if they say it it must not be true because they are so- and so". That's not a refutation.
Ummm... basically NO it wasn't that at all. If you actually had a valid point based on fact you would present it or quote something I actually said and ask for a source or show outright how it was not so... but you did not do that because what I said was true. And what you said was FALSE. Like it or not CFT, I soundly refuted your anti-Catholic bigotry in no uncertain fashion.
(I have also noticed over the years that those lost in deep denial can not even recognize when their cherished falsehoods have been clearly refuted).
QuoteI didn't single out catholic events, I included them in instances in which religions perpetrate acts on 'others'.
You sorta did - you mentioned the completely justified act of self defense commonly known as the Crusades and referenced it in the same breath with some whacked out connection to some completely irrelevant death contract.
Quote
Anyway, I'm leaving this conversation, not because of any 'facts' but because you have made it about something else altogether, and insulted me and a bunch of other people, making it personal.
Bye.
Sorry Ryan, for continuing, but now I'm done.
I insulted no one and did not make it personal. I pointed out blatant bigotry and falsehoods. For those who take their bigotry to heart in a personal way it may come across as a personal insult but it is really just a simple communication in objective impersonal fashion about a very DARK SIDE of modern Western society.
Those with the heart to face it honestly will not be offended.
For this commitment to Truth I make no apologies.