Which one? Galactic Alignment or Niburu.

[kurai kokoro]

This is your argument:


You give god the "magic" attribute so that he may be exempted from all logic. Unfortunately that's not how things work, until you prove god's logic-defying magic powers, the idea of god is as bound to logic as everything we see in the world.

Otherwise I could just as well reply to you that the universe is magic and thus doesn't need a creator.

Better yet, I could say that an omnipotent spaghetti monster that's cold, hot and made of yoghurt, all at the same time, created the universe tomorrow. Doesn't make any sense you say? Doesn't have to, he's omnipotent.

lol i've been reading up on several things sence the other day, i know what the "galactic alignment" is now
it's not so to speak an alignment but rather a cross of sorts and the tail eating snake is the galaxy,

this is Qabbalah - Kabbalah
Kabbalah is an interpretation (exegesis, hermeneutic) key, "soul" of the Torah (Hebrew Bible), or the religious mystical system of Judaism claiming an insight into divine nature.

The term "Kabbalah" was originally used in Talmudic texts, among the Geonim, and by early Rishonim as a reference to the full body of publicly available Jewish teaching. In this sense Kabbalah was used in referring to all of known Oral Law. Over time it became a reference to doctrines of esoteric knowledge concerning God, God's creation of the universe and the laws of nature, and the path by which adult religious Jews can learn these secrets.

Kabbalah, according to the more recent use of the word, stresses the esoteric reasons and understanding of the commandments in the Torah, and the occult cause of events described in the Torah. Kabbalah includes the understanding of the spiritual spheres of creation, and the ways by which God administers the existence of the universe.

According to Jewish tradition dating from the 13th century, this knowledge has come down as a revelation to elect saints from a remote past, and preserved only by a privileged few. It is considered part of the Jewish Oral Law by the majority of religious Jews in modern times, although this was not agreed upon by many Talmudic and medieval scholars, as well as many modern liberal rabbis and a minority of Orthodox rabbis.

The Shining Ones

According to adherents of Kabbalah, the origin of Kabbalah begins with the Tanakh (the Hebrew Bible). According to Midrash, God created the universe with "Ten utterances" or "Ten qualities." When read by later generations of Kabbalists, the Torah's description of the creation in the Book of Genesis reveals mysteries about the godhead itself, the true nature of Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life, as well as the interaction of these supernal entities with the Serpent which leads to disaster when they eat the forbidden fruit, as recorded in Genesis 2.

The Bible provides ample additional material for mythic and mystical speculation. The prophet Ezekiel's visions in particular attracted much speculation, as did Isaiah's Temple vision (Chapter 6). Jacob's vision of the ladder to heaven is another text providing an example of a mystical experience. Moses' experience with the Burning bush and his encounters with God on Mount Sinai, are all evidence of mystical events in the Tanakh, and form the origin of Jewish mystical beliefs.

Jewish mystical traditions always appeal to an argument of authority based on antiquity. As a result, virtually all works pseudepigraphically claim or are ascribed ancient authorship. For example, Sefer Raziel HaMalach, an astro-magical text partly based on a magical manual of late antiquity, Sefer ha-Razim, was, according to the kabbalists, transmitted to Adam (after being evicted) by the angel Raziel. Another famous work, the Sefer Yetzirah, supposedly dates back to the patriarch Abraham. According to Apocalyptic literature, esoteric knowledge, such as magic, divination, and astrology, was transmitted to humans in the mythic past by the two angels, Aza and Azaz'el (in other places, Azaz'el and Uzaz'el) who 'fell' from heaven (see Genesis 6:4).

This appeal to antiquity has also shaped modern theories of influence in reconstructing the history of Jewish mysticism. The oldest versions of the Jewish mysticism have been theorized to extend from Assyrian theology and mysticism. Dr. Simo Parpola, a researcher at the University of Helsinki, has made some suggestive findings on the matter, particularly concerning an analysis of the Sefirot. Noting the general similarity between the Sefirot of the Kabbalah and the Tree of Life of Assyria, he reconstructed what an Assyrian antecendent to the Sepiroth would look like.

He matched the characteristics of En Sof on the nodes of the Sepiroth to the gods of Assyria, and was able to even find textual parallels between these Assyrian gods and the characteristics of god. The Assyrians assigned specific numbers to their gods, similar to how the Sepiroth assigns numbers to its nodes. However, the Assyrians use a sexagesimal number system, whereas the Sepiroth is decimal. With the Assyrian numbers, additional layers of meaning and mystical relevance appear in the Sepiroth. Normally, floating above the Assyrian Tree of Life was the god Assur, this corresponds to En Sof, which is also, via a series of transformations, derived from the Assyrian word Assur.

Jewish mystical traditions always appeal to an argument of authority based on antiquity. As a result, virtually all works pseudepigraphically claim or are ascribed ancient authorship. For example, Sefer Raziel HaMalach, an astro-magical text partly based on a magical manual of late antiquity, Sefer ha-Razim, was, according to the kabbalists, transmitted to Adam (after being evicted) by the angel Raziel. Another famous work, the Sefer Yetzirah, supposedly dates back to the patriarch Abraham. According to Apocalyptic literature, esoteric knowledge, such as magic, divination, and astrology, was transmitted to humans in the mythic past by the two angels, Aza and Azaz'el (in other places, Azaz'el and Uzaz'el) who 'fell' from heaven (Genesis 6:4).

[CFTraveler]

I don't think anyone is disputing that the kabala is all about man's inherent divinity and it is an exegesis on the biblical creation story- I just don't see what it has to do with Mayan cosmology, (or even cosmogony) and a supposed galactic alignment.

[Adun]

Well, I am.

But it's 4am and I gotta get some sleep. I'll read kurai's post tomorrow.

[kurai kokoro]

i don't remember what i was getting at sorry i have a very bad memory most of the time, (one second i could say hey... the next i'll think for a moment because i've forgoten what i was going to say..) usually it takes me a few days to remember what i was going to say.

[CFTraveler]

Well, I am.

But it's 4am and I gotta get some sleep. I'll read kurai's post tomorrow.

You're disputing that the Kabala is about creation, (a midrashic comment on Genesis) or of man's inherent divinity? (As in the idea of Adam Kadmon?)  Or a whole different thing?

[Adun]

If you're claiming the supposed creation and "man's inherent divinity" are truth and not fiction, then yes, of course I dispute it.

If that's not what you meant, then I just misunderstood your other post.

[kurai kokoro]

i still don't remember it could have had something to do with odin or something i will continue to read.

[CFTraveler]

If you're claiming the supposed creation and "man's inherent divinity" are truth and not fiction, then yes, of course I dispute it.

If that's not what you meant, then I just misunderstood your other post.

No, I said I didn't dispute that was the Kabala was all about.  I just didn't understand why that was an argument for galactic alignments or nibiru or any predictions whatsoever.

[kurai kokoro]

oh i remember now ... okay you know how the galaxy spins with a spiral and all, well acourding to what i've read the entire galaxy is supposed to stop spining for some time and then it'll reverse direction but before the reversel the planets are supposed to align when the galaxy turns into a cross, and then i guess the galaxy reverses it's spiral or something to that extent.

[CFTraveler]

oh i remember now ... okay you know how the galaxy spins with a spiral and all, well acourding to what i've read the entire galaxy is supposed to stop spining for some time and then it'll reverse direction but before the reversel the planets are supposed to align when the galaxy turns into a cross, and then i guess the galaxy reverses it's spiral or something to that extent.

What?  Do galaxies ever do this?

[kurai kokoro]

will if so then no one on earth would know if it has, but i just watched national geographic tonight and according to them the earth's electromagnetic field is reversing, i think it has to do with all the mining and such, ( at the people who've mined) i think we should return all the metals and such in which we've all taken from the earth back to where it belongs and just go back to living the way we was meant to live. with out technology as advanced as this, then again they said that it's happined before.

CFTraveler: haven't you noticed that the other galaxies are spinning a different direction?

[CFTraveler]

CFTraveler: haven't you noticed that the other galaxies are spinning a different direction?

No,
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=744