As there are many theories about 12/12 I have a tendency to keep an open mind to all. I'd rather be aware of everything than to put my beliefs in something that is most likely false. Anyways, has anyone done research on the illuminati? The attempt to create a one world government? It is predicted that the illuminati will stage an alien attack on that day, much like they staged the 9/11 attack, to create chaos and fear, which will help them bring forth the new world order. I don't really have time to give you a detailed background of the information, but anyone that also knows a lot about the illuminati have any opinions?
Indeed, i know a lot about that sort of things. Staging an alien invasion on the 2012 olympics, using that as a fear tactic ( among MANY others they use ) so they can start their new world order. People, the world isn't going to end in 2012, why else would the elite have ruined the pentagon just plan on building another one in 2012? Yeap, it's going to be a big big year.
~astraladdict
IMO if there is an "illuminati", it isnt really the "illuminati" we're all hearing about and "find out" about. I think its part of the plan.... whatever it may be, for us to think there is this group hidden in the shadows trying to create a NWO.
Even if we weren't supposed to find out about them, they can't deny anything cause that'll get people thinking "OMFG they are here!" Like how they can't take those videos off of the internet cause that'll cause a stir. Also, either way, they can feed off of the energy giving to them. Win win for them
~astraladdict
I agree with that, the more they try to hide it the more people will be suspicious. They're extremely intelligent (if real) and have mastered many mind control techniques. It's also strange how popular artists like "Drake" will rap about selling his soul for fame blah blah. And then theres michael jackson, who sang about being resilient to their offers, there was an interview where he was asked about it and he got really nervous and said he didn't want to say too much because they would find out. Surprise, he's dead. A lot of the teachers of the illuminati are mysteriously dead or in jail for random things. And the concentration camps that are being built, will the thousands of coffins, is interesting as well. Why do they need those? They try to make it look like they're only helping the country, when in reality they have intentions of killing everyone off to minimize the population. Has anyone else noticed the chem trails in the air?
Speaking of Michael Jackson, near the end of his "This is It" movie he was having a thank you circle, group hug. He thanked all the dancers, producers etc. and then said that life is precious and that we had 4 years left to save the earth. Now, I know Michael Jackson had some strange lets say problems and I have no idea why I was watching it in the first place, but I believe from what I saw that he knew he was going to die. There are a number of things that he said in the movie that gives credence to this. I looked at the date of the movie and it said 2009. It was likely started in 2008 though. He said we had 4 years to find a new way of doing things before the damage becomes unrepairable. I believe 2012 is about just that, but I also believe that the transition is going to be full of chaos and is going to get extremely bumpy. But, from Chaos always comes order. So in the end we will be better for it. :-)
I feel like Michael Jackson was set up for a lot of the things that happened to him, simply because he would not follow the illuminati orders. I mean theyre in control of the media, so of course they could make it seem like he was insane, there was the chance he might leak their secret, they had to make him incredible. Which is exactly what they did, when he died, people made jokes. It's rather sad actually, Michael Jackson was a major contribution to our society... and extremely brave for not following the orders of the illuminati. Unlike Drake, Rhianna, Kanye West, and everyone else that most people "idolize". It makes me sick. Honestly.
O_o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq9gaC4R_d8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k6b95gxzYM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvcMbRRUUM8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ljz7SVBCoU
Watch these, this is an interesting theory on earths history, and talk about beings that could be considered the "illuminati"
I think these videos are going to change the way the world thinks :]
Sad to say the 5th video will not be out for 2 weeks :/ The guy making them is going away on a trip to visit some places.
and as for the fear tactic, I believe they will do something that will get peoples attention. After the alien invasion, I believe they will plan some kind of religious movement that allows them full control :P (with benefits of protection from the aliens or something xD, that will just crash and fall after the pole shift :])
Michael Jackson was a sick pedophile and I have no clue why any parents let their children go around him, its sad what people will do for money...
He obviously had issues created from his childhood, family and fame and he never got helped for it because he believed he was the best.
Sad really people believe he wasnt a child molester, its not ok for children to be sleeping in a bed with a man they barely know and was trying to make himself look like peter pan. He was all shy when it came to sex but he sang songs and danced that obviously had sexual innuendo.
But thats off topic isnt it? ^_^
I strongly doubt he was a pedophile. Of course, in his mind, he still was a child, because he never was allowed to be a child when he physically was one. But I don't think he ever did anything bad to children. If you look at the women who sued him, you can see that they want money, that they are greedy. He was a kind man and accusing him of things isn't very nice. Yes, he liked children, but he didn't do anything bad to them.
Most incredibly artistic people have another side to them. Alot of them are complete eccentrics, I don't condone what he did, but I feel that he was a "special". I don't think he was ever confortable being human, he showed this in a number of different ways.
It would be pretty tough to make a 1 world government... It's not easy controlling 6 billion people. The best way to do it is with fear. An Alien invasion might help with that!?
Quote from: kurtykurt42 on August 07, 2011, 22:04:10
It would be pretty tough to make a 1 world government... It's not easy controlling 6 billion people. The best way to do it is with fear. An Alien invasion might help with that!?
They have been using the fear tactic for a long time. Another tactic is, humans cannot make up their mind. When the government. Does. Something. They. Get told to back of, but when they don't do anything they get told to step up so that is used as an advantage. 6 billion humans. Way too much for earth to sustaine so a mass depopulation will possibly happen
~astraladdict
I think the pole shift if a great way for a de-population :P
The pole shift also would account for what is said in the bible, and many other predictions of end times.
I personally want to create a Merkaba around myself, and possibly family, so we will be safe during this pole shift.
Also I think a mass shift in consciousness comes with the pole shift, I am not sure.
Quote from: astraladdict on August 07, 2011, 23:10:28
They have been using the fear tactic for a long time. Another tactic is, humans cannot make up their mind. When the government. Does. Something. They. Get told to back of, but when they don't do anything they get told to step up so that is used as an advantage. 6 billion humans. Way too much for earth to sustaine so a mass depopulation will possibly happen
~astraladdict
I agree, however it won't be something done by choice... it'll be something due to greed. It's really simple actually... money = bad.
Quote from: HiRes on August 08, 2011, 01:31:35
I think the pole shift if a great way for a de-population :P
The pole shift also would account for what is said in the bible, and many other predictions of end times.
I personally want to create a Merkaba around myself, and possibly family, so we will be safe during this pole shift.
Also I think a mass shift in consciousness comes with the pole shift, I am not sure.
I see it as the elite putting their plans in bibles. If you look at all the religions, they have so many things in common. As for the merkaba, check out my post on it. Each member of your family will have to create their own merkaba. Can't do it for them
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_energy_body_and_the_chakras/how_to_do_merkaba-t34789.0.html
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 08, 2011, 08:53:44
I agree, however it won't be something done by choice... it'll be something due to greed. It's really simple actually... money = bad.
Money IS one of the ways used to control. I think they will use different methods of depopulation though. There's A LOT of people to get rid of lol. Have you seen the movie District 9? I saw this documentary explaining how the elite, once they get the NWO started, want to stick humans like that in small places across the earth. If you are outside of the area you get no food, water etc. That way so mother nature can " fix herself". Idk though, i like to keep an open mind.
~astraladdict
As for religion, I believe it just different ways to get a god. Not everybody thinks the same, there for they needed a way to appeal to everybody. (at least almost everybody). I also believe that heaven is just a state of consciousness, where we face all the bad things we did. Once that is complete, we get to go to a higher plane of consciousness and meet "god" himself. Which I believe everyone to be "god" they just have to reach the purity of him to achieve godlyness
and as for the merkaba, No one else in my family believes the stuff I say. I think them going into the black out and losing all memory will serve them good.
A "one world government" is going to happen one day. It has to... humanity needs to learn to unite and work together, or we're gonna blow each other up.
With that said... all this talk about conspiracies regarding certain groups trying to gain control. It makes absolutely no sense to me.
I think we're here to individually grow spiritually... and, there is really NOTHING anyone can do to stop that from happening. People are going to grow spiritually and wake up on their own time. And there is not a thing anyone can do about it. There's no controlling it...
You can lock someone up and throw away the key... they can still grow spiritually.
You can starve someone to death or beat them into a bloody mess... they can still grow spiritually.
You can do whatever you want to someone... and you'll never stop them from growing.
So what's the point in controlling? Money? Power? They can have it... it's all worthless physical reality materialism. In the end it has no bearing upon your spiritual growth. I'm sure that there are people in this world with no money and no power and they're infinitely happier than someone with both of those things.
So really... what's the point to forcing control upon people?
I just finished a good but obscure book about the subject of "the illuminati".
It's actually about ancient-astronaut theory and the "elite" left behind afterwards. nevertheless, the author mentions that at one time the romans called them the "illuminati". he also makes a distinction between this so-called "real illuminati" and a short-lived bunk illuminati that was based on a freemason lodge in much more recent history.
anyway, the book is pretty good. it's more about the political games that have been played (machiavellian in nature - agitate both sides to induce conflict and remain hidden as the actual perpetrator while also helping both sides to fight the other - results in perpetual conflict and security for the "elite" doing the instigation) throughout history to continually suppress the spiritual reality of the human being and therefore humanity itself. it doesn't really talk about aliens much, only in the beginning to set the stage.
"The Gods of Eden" by William Bramley (http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Eden-William-Bramley/dp/0380718073)
I like it.
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 09, 2011, 11:03:24
A "one world government" is going to happen one day. It has to... humanity needs to learn to unite and work together, or we're gonna blow each other up.
With that said... all this talk about conspiracies regarding certain groups trying to gain control. It makes absolutely no sense to me.
I think we're here to individually grow spiritually... and, there is really NOTHING anyone can do to stop that from happening. People are going to grow spiritually and wake up on their own time. And there is not a thing anyone can do about it. There's no controlling it...
You can lock someone up and throw away the key... they can still grow spiritually.
You can starve someone to death or beat them into a bloody mess... they can still grow spiritually.
You can do whatever you want to someone... and you'll never stop them from growing.
So what's the point in controlling? Money? Power? They can have it... it's all worthless physical reality materialism. In the end it has no bearing upon your spiritual growth. I'm sure that there are people in this world with no money and no power and they're infinitely happier than someone with both of those things.
So really... what's the point to forcing control upon people?
You posted this while I was writing my post.
Note the point about the goal being to suppress knowledge of the spiritual reality and its attainment.
It's not about "well they can't do it forever", I agree, eventually we will all have our personal awakening.
But it can be suppressed indefinitely and I'm not ok with that.
Nature will have its course.
I do believe the world needs a one governed society, but Not with the right brained thinking of the "illuminati"
I believe that when the "illuminati" gain power, the world will go through its pole shift, and destroy them. As nature intended it too.
As a society, we need this "right brained" thinking they have brought onto us, so we can progress on the evolutionary chain.
Once the "dec 21st, 2012" event happens the world will be awakened, and AP and other "spiritual" type things will be much easier than they are now. Most of us will probably lose our physical body in this event, but we will be awakened spiritually and live forever as a free spirit. Some of us may have to live through a hell they created upon themselves, but that is the divine goal of "hell" itself. To awaken the "Evil" people to the true nature of things, and get themselves back on track to purity.
These "problems" happening in the physical are what help evolve spiritually. If everything was all light and dandy how will we learn? When someone is abused they learn to stand up for themselves and do something, to be tough minded. When someone sees riots and all kinds of things going on, depending on the person of course, they will want to do something about it. To spread love and light. So in a way i'm glad the "elite" are here to cause all the problems, for humans to cause the problem.
~astraladdict
Quote from: personalreality on August 09, 2011, 11:08:47
You posted this while I was writing my post.
Note the point about the goal being to suppress knowledge of the spiritual reality and its attainment.
It's not about "well they can't do it forever", I agree, eventually we will all have our personal awakening.
But it can be suppressed indefinitely and I'm not ok with that.
Well my point actually was that I don't think they can't do it at all... not even in the slightest.
People will naturally awaken at their own pace, and I really don't believe anyone can stop or even slow it down.
A "one world government" is a necessity though. It's going to happen... it won't happen due to "a group forcing control" upon us though.
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 09, 2011, 11:42:11
Well my point actually was that I don't think they can't do it at all... not even in the slightest.
People will naturally awaken at their own pace, and I really don't believe anyone can stop or even slow it down.
A "one world government" is a necessity though. It's going to happen... it won't happen due to "a group forcing control" upon us though.
Yes, We are slowly progressing on the spiritual evolutionary chain. It CANNOT be stopped, it can be reduced, and already has been, but it was for all good reason.
A one world government should not be obtained under a left brained group of people. When religion and science come together, and all the chaos is gone, only then can their be a one governed planet.
The pole shift, will kill off any one who is not spiritually adept, because that is the way it is meant. After this pole shift the world will be a more pure place, where we control our reality, and evil is gone. (for the most part) it will return at some point in time, where we will defeat it! and cast it back into "hell" :P
Quote from: HiRes on August 09, 2011, 12:17:05
Yes, We are slowly progressing on the spiritual evolutionary chain. It CANNOT be stopped, it can be reduced, and already has been, but it was for all good reason.
Well see... what evidence do you have that it "can (or has) been reduced"? Can you really gauge it in such a manner?
QuoteA one world government should not be obtained under a left brained group of people. When religion and science come together, and all the chaos is gone, only then can their be a one governed planet.
Why? I think it would work just fine... but people want to have to have it work fine.
QuoteThe pole shift, will kill off any one who is not spiritually adept, because that is the way it is meant. After this pole shift the world will be a more pure place, where we control our reality, and evil is gone. (for the most part) it will return at some point in time, where we will defeat it! and cast it back into "hell" :P
What? O_o
You seem to have your own set of beliefs here... :)
Ryan take a look at this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_shift_hypothesis
~astraladdict
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 09, 2011, 12:27:49
Well see... what evidence do you have that it "can (or has) been reduced"? Can you really gauge it in such a manner?
Well, for starters look at our past civilizations, that knew things they should not have known because they did not have the technology to do it.
This proves we had a higher sense of being, and for some reason it caved in on us, and we are having to start over in the evolutionary process of spirituality.
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 09, 2011, 12:27:49
What? O_o
You seem to have your own set of beliefs here... :)
Honestly, not really. It is basically what the bible says :D
I think the pole shift will kill everyone, but the spiritually adept, because it will be a massive movement of the earths crust, where our electromagnetic field is gone for a period of time.
The spiritually adept being the "indigo children" and "super psychics".. and the other ones that I cannot remember >.>
more than that may live, but I think these people will have the highest chance, as they are young, and still thriving with life.
As for the "evil" side of things, well that is the "devil" or Lucifer. Which was just another way consciousness created itself. Anything that is created under the "Lucifer experiment" has ended in failure. The current "Lucifer experiment" is the "illuminati" and they are going to fail, without a doubt. God, or consciousness, will make sure of it :]
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 09, 2011, 12:27:49
Why? I think it would work just fine... but people want to have to have it work fine.
and as for a one world government, it has to be controlled by only the purest of hearts. If any corruption is present, some type of revolution will occur and we would be back to square one.
Only beings, that have the purity of god, can govern a unitary government.
Quote from: astraladdict on August 09, 2011, 12:34:49
Ryan take a look at this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_shift_hypothesis
~astraladdict
Oh, I know full well what it is. I also know it has about as much theory behind it happening next year as Nibiru does of entering our Solar System. ;)
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 09, 2011, 13:31:39
Oh, I know full well what it is. I also know it has about as much theory behind it happening next year as Nibiru does of entering our Solar System. ;)
A lot of what's being said here is similar to what i said in a post i made about 2012. Honestly, i think that's going to be a big year, if you are not ready than it's going to be difficult. I am anxious for that year. The pole shift, to me, does seem like a possible outcome. We will not know for sure what will happen though, until the time comes.
~astraladdict
Quote from: HiRes on August 09, 2011, 13:11:29
Well, for starters look at our past civilizations, that knew things they should not have known because they did not have the technology to do it.
This proves we had a higher sense of being, and for some reason it caved in on us, and we are having to start over in the evolutionary process of spirituality.
That's not evidence of a "higher sense of being".
You're making some huge assumptions.
QuoteHonestly, not really. It is basically what the bible says :D
I think the pole shift will kill everyone, but the spiritually adept, because it will be a massive movement of the earths crust, where our electromagnetic field is gone for a period of time.
The spiritually adept being the "indigo children" and "super psychics".. and the other ones that I cannot remember >.>
more than that may live, but I think these people will have the highest chance, as they are young, and still thriving with life.
As for the "evil" side of things, well that is the "devil" or Lucifer. Which was just another way consciousness created itself. Anything that is created under the "Lucifer experiment" has ended in failure. The current "Lucifer experiment" is the "illuminati" and they are going to fail, without a doubt. God, or consciousness, will make sure of it :]
If "something" happens within the near future, people like you are simply going to point fingers and yell, "see!! told ya so!"... so it really doesn't matter. In any case, if something happens and most or all humans die, what REALLY happens? We all move onto another incarnation somewhere else... if you survive, that doesn't automatically make you "more spiritual" than Bob down the street who died.
I'm sorry, but all this smacks of ego... "I'm more spiritual than you are!!!"
Quote from: HiRes on August 09, 2011, 13:26:22
and as for a one world government, it has to be controlled by only the purest of hearts. If any corruption is present, some type of revolution will occur and we would be back to square one.
Only beings, that have the purity of god, can govern a unitary government.
There will always be corruption in humanity.
Quote from: astraladdict on August 09, 2011, 13:34:05
A lot of what's being said here is similar to what i said in a post i made about 2012. Honestly, i think that's going to be a big year, if you are not ready than it's going to be difficult. I am anxious for that year. The pole shift, to me, does seem like a possible outcome. We will not know for sure what will happen though, until the time comes.
December 22nd, 2012 is gonna roll around... and life will continue. The rich will keep getting richer... the poor will keep getting poorer... and people will continue along the same spiritual path that they were on December 21st, 2012.
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 09, 2011, 13:38:14
That's not evidence of a "higher sense of being".
You're making some huge assumptions.
explain how they new things about the universe they couldn't have according to science?
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 09, 2011, 13:38:14
If "something" happens within the near future, people like you are simply going to point fingers and yell, "see!! told ya so!"... so it really doesn't matter. In any case, if something happens and most or all humans die, what REALLY happens? We all move onto another incarnation somewhere else... if you survive, that doesn't automatically make you "more spiritual" than Bob down the street who died.
I'm sorry, but all this smacks of ego... "I'm more spiritual than you are!!!"
Ahh, but you are wrong. Everyone that was born within about 20 years ago has more DNA than the rest of us. We are moving up the evolutionary chain. This extra DNA gives us a greater tap into our spirituality. Not saying more spiritual, just more adept in the spiritual world. Bob down the street is just older, and has not evolved as much as us. (us being the younger group of people in the world). Yes, we will incarnate somewhere else, but that does not mean we will remember our past lives and what happened during them :P
its not a sense of Ego, as I see all human beings having godly powers. Everyone is equal in my eyes.
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 09, 2011, 13:38:14
There will always be corruption in humanity.
December 22nd, 2012 is gonna roll around... and life will continue. The rich will keep getting richer... the poor will keep getting poorer... and people will continue along the same spiritual path that they were on December 21st, 2012.
Ill respond later >.> got stuff to do today. in a hurry ;P
Sorry bud, but you're making huge assumptions.
Now I remember why I usually stay outta these discussions...
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 09, 2011, 13:57:27
Sorry bud, but you're making huge assumptions.
Now I remember why I usually stay outta these discussions...
Ahh but isn't religion just a huge assumption?
And don't you think it is about time we moved forward in evolution? :P
We came from monkeys, and now it is time to move forward even more :D
There's far too many theories and confusion to hear one and rule it out, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if the least expected things happen. @Ryan, in regards to what you have said about the illuminati, I found it quite interesting. I do believe our purpose here is to grow spiritually and regardless of what the illuminati do that will not change, if they want money, power, destruction, you're right... they can have it... because that's not why I am here. But I DO think that the illuminati has the ability to suppress our spiritual growth, one of their main goals is to keep people from reaching their destiny. I mean yeah everyone will have their awakening on their own terms but without the influence of the illuminati I feel like it would come much sooner.
I think the pole shift is extremely unlikely, but I'm not ruling anything out. I'm just learning as much as I can so I can at least be knowledgeable on that day. I'm rather excited for things to change, even if it turns out to be full of pain and suffering I know it will lead to something profound.
Quote from: DayTripper on August 09, 2011, 15:23:18
But I DO think that the illuminati has the ability to suppress our spiritual growth, one of their main goals is to keep people from reaching their destiny.
Then let me ask how you think they can suppress it? That's probably a better direction to take this. :)
I, for one, can't think of a single way that can suppress our spirituality.
Some people might not realize that they have a spiritual side yet... some people might be on the brink of noticing it... some (like us here) have full embraced it. Of the people in the middle ground (on the brink), "how long" it takes them to find their spirituality is meaningless. They will get there... that's what I believe is the whole point of this reality.
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 09, 2011, 15:34:21
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I, for one, can't think of a single way that can suppress our spirituality.
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Science my friend. Science is what has suppressed our spirituality, as their is no way to prove anything we experience is true.
Science claims astral projection as a form of mental illness >.> and does not condone practicing it.
I agree DayTripper, the illuminati's goal is to suppress our spirituality. They are doing this with a pure left brained way of thinking. NOW I also believe as a species, we needed the illuminati's way of thinking, to progress, but it is only as a tool of progression. We need a balance of the Sciences that the illuminati have spawned, and of religion, to progress further on the evolutionary chain. GOD did not put them on earth for no reason, he did not allow all of this to happen without cause.
The suppression of spirituality is seen everywhere, more and more people do not believe religion simply because science cannot explain it.
@Ryan - I do believe that everyone will grow spiritually and that cannot be stopped. IT can be hindered and digressed though. This has already happened, and now we are on our way out of this digression and back into what we once used to be, well greater than we used to be. One day we will all be super humans, that are giant and have adept spiritual powers :P
Yes all of this is a huge assumption, but it does make more sense than science can put together, and it makes sense of all the past cultures that have left traces on our planet.
I have been doing research on the Illuminati since I was 13 :P Something has always pulled me towards them, and that something is what lead me to the spiritual side of things. As if it was destiny.
Quote from: HiRes on August 09, 2011, 15:43:08
Science my friend. Science is what has suppressed our spirituality, as their is no way to prove anything we experience is true.
Science claims astral projection as a form of mental illness >.> and does not condone practicing it.
It hasn't stopped mine.
It hasn't stopped yours.
It's not the "science" that is actively slowing anything. It's just everyone's individual progress. Once you get to a certain level of "knowing", it begins to snowball. Nothing can stop or slow down the beginning of that snowballing.
I do see where you're going though.
You see the individuals spiritual progress and think that they're being slowed by some outside force...
I see the individuals spiritual progress and think, that's just how they are right now. It's all internal... and I don't see anything that can change that.
Well, let me get to the root of this really... I don't believe any of these organizations/groups even exist. So meh. This is all a moot point as far as I'm concerned. LoL
As with any conspiracy theory of this kind... people mostly see only what they want to see. So meh.
I'm kind of just repeating myself at this point though, so I'll just let this one go. LoL
I see what you're saying, that the amount of time it takes someone to find their spirituality is meaningless, therefore, unable to be suppressed.
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 09, 2011, 16:01:22
It hasn't stopped mine.
It hasn't stopped yours.
It's not the "science" that is actively slowing anything. It's just everyone's individual progress. Once you get to a certain level of "knowing", it begins to snowball. Nothing can stop or slow down the beginning of that snowballing.
I do see where you're going though.
You see the individuals spiritual progress and think that they're being slowed by some outside force...
I see the individuals spiritual progress and think, that's just how they are right now. It's all internal... and I don't see anything that can change that.
Well, let me get to the root of this really... I don't believe any of these organizations/groups even exist. So meh. This is all a moot point as far as I'm concerned. LoL
As with any conspiracy theory of this kind... people mostly see only what they want to see. So meh.
I'm kind of just repeating myself at this point though, so I'll just let this one go. LoL
I see what you mean, everyone is spiritually progressing as nature intended for it.
I guess you could say I see it as being slowed, but rather it has been moved to another force, or way of thinking.
Right brained individuals, are more adept to the spiritualism of things. Left brained ones are more adept to sciences and such.
I my self, feel I am a balanced individual, I excel in science and math, yet I am still capable of comprehending a spiritual aspect of things.
I'd say my argument is coming to a slow, and I am running out of ideas to give forth :P
All I am saying about my ideas, and beliefs is, that it should be something that is talked about. EVEN if it is not true, it should still be a topic that is socialized in society now a days.
When things aren't going your way,
Blame the Illumina-tay!
Makes you wonder that maybe the "Elite" have things set up so they can feed off of our energy whenever we talk about them. Energy vamps they are :evil:
~astraladdict
The worst thing that you can combine with AP is superstition and paranoia. It'll hold you back.
Quote from: astraladdict on August 10, 2011, 11:28:42
Makes you wonder that maybe the "Elite" have things set up so they can feed off of our energy whenever we talk about them. Energy vamps they are :evil:
~astraladdict
Love it :P
Probably true >.> they dont exactly have the energies we do, since they lack emotions :P they have to get their power from somewhere xD
Quote from: Stookie_ on August 10, 2011, 11:58:37
The worst thing that you can combine with AP is superstition and paranoia. It'll hold you back.
mhmm :P I believe they exists, but they have no power over me because I know they exists and they cannot influence me :D
I honestly used to dream about becoming a super hacker and getting proof they exist >.> but that doesnt matter anymore because 2012 will be there demise.. or so I hope ;P
I'll bring this back... I HATE the move insidious, the way they make people believe AP is. Just horrible :cry:
~astraladdict
Quote from: astraladdict on August 10, 2011, 12:10:04
I'll bring this back... I HATE the move insidious, the way they make people believe AP is. Just horrible :cry:
~astraladdict
oh god, I know exactly what you mean... it is a good movie, in the sense it has to do with APing, but the fact that it makes it look bad, is just kills me.. >.> when I watched it I made sure everyone knew that was not possible while APing.
But yes, I HATE that movie as well >.>
The only positive thing I got from that movie was the Spinning Top that he uses. It really is a great focus tool.
Quote from: astraladdict on August 10, 2011, 11:28:42
Makes you wonder that maybe the "Elite" have things set up so they can feed off of our energy whenever we talk about them. Energy vamps they are :evil:
~astraladdict
I've been saying that about monroe for a looonnng time
Quote from: HiRes on August 10, 2011, 13:02:19
oh god, I know exactly what you mean... it is a good movie, in the sense it has to do with APing, but the fact that it makes it look bad, is just kills me.. >.> when I watched it I made sure everyone knew that was not possible while APing.
But yes, I HATE that movie as well >.>
I don't like the fact that it's implanting fear into people about the subject entirely.
Quote from: personalreality on August 10, 2011, 21:25:32
I've been saying that about monroe for a looonnng time
Do you think it's not only him? It could be the others "majors" who write books as well.
~astraladdict
Quote from: astraladdict on August 10, 2011, 21:32:18
I don't like the fact that it's implanting fear into people about the subject entirely.
"It" is doing no implanting... any fear base reactions are the ones you choose to enact upon yourself.
QuoteDo you think it's not only him? It could be the others "majors" who write books as well.
I always thought Robert Bruce was EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL!!! :)
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 10, 2011, 22:46:32
"It" is doing no implanting... any fear base reactions are the ones you choose to enact upon yourself.
Yes, this is very true. But, sadly the movie does not explain this in its presentation.
It does present a "demonic essence" taking over a human being, because he AP'd to save his son from another "demonic essence".
With just this information, the natural person (that has either kinda heard about AP'ing, or not heard about it at all) is going to assume that it is a dangerous thing.
There for, it is stopping people from becoming more spiritually aware about things in general.
You don't honestly see that many people going around all the time talking about how great AP'ing is, as it would label them crazy. Yes, there may be large groups of people out there that get together or try to spread the word. But, this doesn't mean that everyone in the entire world has ever met some one who has AP'd, and loves to talk about it. Thus why I hate the movie. The movie has affected people, if only a few, from having this experience.
Just my pennies worth :D
Do any of you think the Collective Conscience is responsible for the riots in England? I believe alot of people are rioting without knowing why. First Egypt, then Syria, now England. Is there a possibility that what David Wilcock said about the Source Field is true? These people might just be getting the impulses in their dreams when they travel, but don't know it on their conscious scale. That's a scary thought if it is true, because who's next and better yet how could you ever stop it?
Who knows, anything is possible. Even if someone does know though, they'll have a hard time proving it.
~astraladdict
I'm suprized that the riots are taking place now cause I was exspecting this to happen next year, unless it's gona build up and gets worst next year then they can put on a space show for us and fulfill there last fake bible prophecy. They are just to advance for us....
Quote from: Lionheart on August 11, 2011, 00:24:27
Do any of you think the Collective Conscience is responsible for the riots in England? I believe alot of people are rioting without knowing why. First Egypt, then Syria, now England. Is there a possibility that what David Wilcock said about the Source Field is true? These people might just be getting the impulses in their dreams when they travel, but don't know it on their conscious scale. That's a scary thought if it is true, because who's next and better yet how could you ever stop it?
What we see in our society, I believe is a direct reflect OF the mindset of our society. Expect more.
Quote from: Karas on August 11, 2011, 05:33:49
I'm suprized that the riots are taking place now cause I was exspecting this to happen next year, unless it's gona build up and gets worst next year then they can put on a space show for us and fulfill there last fake bible prophecy. They are just to advance for us....
I agree. It's like they tease and tease so when the moment comes BOOOM, we just 'spload all oveer the place
~astraladdict
Quote from: astraladdict on August 10, 2011, 21:32:18
I don't like the fact that it's implanting fear into people about the subject entirely.
Sort of like this thread. There's a lot of fear-based conjecture.
Quote from: Stookie_ on August 11, 2011, 11:32:26
Sort of like this thread. There's a lot of fear-based conjecture.
Who needs the Illuminati! We're doing great on our own. :D
Wow. I found all these posts so random and amusing. From michael jackson to the illuminati, the pole shifts, spiritual growth, insidious? lol. But for the record that movie upset me too, they always take beautiful things and turn them into something evil nowadays. To be honest, I'm extremely thankful to have the mindset I do about the world. I can't imagine being one of my friends who tells me I'm going to become "possessed" from APing. :lol:
Perhaps the movie was some kind of indirect way to get people to avoid any kind of "Conscious Aware". Just like the Aliens are bad thing, how many movies have been made showing Aliens in a positive way compared to all the Evil Aliens movies? Scaring people into submission works.
I thought that before. Fear is a big tactic they use.
~astraladdict
Yes, Hollywood appears to have developed an OCD on alien invasion movies lately. I mean I know they made a lot in the 50s and 60s, but lately they've gone crazy with it. Another one coming out this December.
http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1177852953/
Quote from: astraladdict on August 12, 2011, 17:35:00
I thought that before. Fear is a big tactic they use.
Addict, that's what we're trying to say here...
Who's doing the fearing though?
Are they (whoever "they" are)?
Or are YOU causing more fear by spreading statements that are probably false.
Who's causing the most damage?
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 12, 2011, 19:01:09
Addict, that's what we're trying to say here...
Who's doing the fearing though?
Are they (whoever "they" are)?
Or are YOU causing more fear by spreading statements that are probably false.
Who's causing the most damage?
Well the both of us knew that since this thread got started it would cause all kinds of problems depending on the individual. i'm just tossing around the ideas about what the elite are doing. You can only think forwards, never backwards.
~astraladdict
Forget about the intangibly ambiguous superstitious fear mongering.
That's not the point.
The point is that in true Machiavellian fashion, these guys (whatever you want to call them, illuminati, brotherhood [as in the great white...], whatever) are perpetuating violence between human beings in order to keep us imprisoned in a material hell on earth. It's not about creating fear (well it kind of is - fear that begets war). It's about exerting influence from every angle so as to keep the "subjects" (us) perpetually at odds with each other, thereby neglecting the single most important rule for human civilization, the golden rule.
This is what I hate about so-called conspiracy theories. The connotation is always so negative and anyone who is interested gets labelled as a nutter. Conspiracy has become a dirty world synonymous with tin foil hats, JFK and UFOs. And this is ridiculous because conspiracy is all around us all the time.
con·spire/kənˈspī(ə)r/Verb
1. Make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act.
2. (of events or circumstances) Seem to be working together to bring about a particular result, typically to someone's detriment
Most of us probably do that on a daily basis. Our world governments do it constantly. It doesn't have to be outlandish. So then the question is, if we do it and our governments do it regularly, why is it so hard to believe that some of the atrocities in this world were carried out intentionally thorough "elite people" conspiring against others?
You don't have to be afraid of it or attach metaphysical/emotional stigmas to it. Conspiracies happen all the time and just because some conspiracies are stupid, shouldn't discount all of them. This stuff is a lot more down to earth than people like to think about.
hehe nutter
If it was possible and they could, they definitely would! If they could weaponize Alpha Bits cereal they most likely would have, just an example, lol.
I get the feeling "they" are creating all this bad, to create good.
Quote from: SomeRandom on August 13, 2011, 02:54:58
I get the feeling "they" are creating all this bad, to create good.
Why would god allow the elite to control everything like they do?
Because, them control us will be what gets us through this era so we can progress to the next. If the "lucifer experiment" had never been created (by consciousness) it would have causes us to go extinct. (for more information, go watch all of these videos, they are extremely interesting.. plus I want the next video to come out! and I believe until more people start watching these videos and our society can start progressing in evolution.. again souly my belief, no one elses)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDMzvJOu9vQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppTq5XRk35g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgxFOYrJ_4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsCAFmAIslg
... there are over 12 of them, but it all connects.
Here is a video that should go Viral on the internet. It speaks so mcuh truth and I think everyone should see it. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OpglZVe2fg&feature=player_embedded
QuoteYes, Hollywood appears to have developed an OCD on alien invasion movies lately. I mean I know they made a lot in the 50s and 60s, but lately they've gone crazy with it. Another one coming out this December.
http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1177852953/
LOL. An interstellar race is coming to get us... to steal... our electricity. That is laugably inane, and even more so for how seriously the trailer takes itself.
I do agree though that a rather large number of alien-invasion fictions and documentaries have been made in the last 3 years, too many to recall, even. I remember at least three separate specials dealing with likely possible responses to alien invasion on discovery, history channel, and some other network. And the glut of terrible Hollywood flicks like that one... I am not for conspiracy stuff at all, but if there were some vehicle of social conditioning, these numberless alien-scarems would stand out in bold contrast.
Quote from: Ryan_ on August 13, 2011, 01:30:47
hehe nutter
agreed.
you try to bring a moment of rationality to an otherwise irrational discussion and what happens? garbage ensues. i retract my well thought out and masterfully articulated explanation of conspiracy and replace it with the following:
the aliens are coming! the aliens are coming! the illuminati is going to kill us all! ahhhhhhh! nibiru! 2012! olympics! money! ZEITGEIST! they're even coming after us in our OBEs! Your dreams are not safe! AHHHH!!!
continue.
:-D
The alien movies in the past rose out of world war 1 and 2. They had a lot of war movies, but for those people that preferred sci-fi over war and westerns, aliens were the bad guy. Sort of like how Godzilla was a metaphor for the atomic bomb and radiation. Or the obvious symbolism behind District 9. We've been at war in Iraq and Afghanistan and with the fear of terrorists, it's normal that these movies show up again. Art imitates life.
word stookie.
OR!!
they're preparing us for the imminent invasion, desensitizing us, softening us up to the idea first. :lol: :lol:
lol.
I agree 100% Stookie, look who always wins the wars. It's us humans always overcoming whatever the Aliens throw at us. In reality we would have absolutely no chance, if they wanted this planet they would take it in a heartbeat.
Yeah, that makes sense to me Stookie... especially considering how much the depcited invader's tactics resemble carrier-warfare.
It would be funny to see a movie where an alien race arrived, and brought on a golden age of human growth; it would be so anticlimatic compared to the war-flicks in people's eyes... so much so that when a story starts out that seems to be leading in that direction, the only way to save face is to paint the aliens as grand decievers, and start the real shooting action.
Kinda like V
When you think about it though, what would happen if a movie WAS made, showing how the earth really is? About all of the things that are going down both in front and behind the curtains? How would the humans take it? We've seen what happens if the wrong information gets in the wrong hands. Cause and effect. Still curious nonetheless.
~astraladdict
Quote from: astraladdict on August 16, 2011, 10:30:32
When you think about it though, what would happen if a movie WAS made, showing how the earth really is? About all of the things that are going down both in front and behind the curtains? How would the humans take it? We've seen what happens if the wrong information gets in the wrong hands. Cause and effect. Still curious nonetheless.
~astraladdict
I don't know... it depends. Would this movie have Angelina Jolie in it?
It can have brad pitt and johny depp in it too
If enough people see it at least twice and buy the DVD, our future is saved.
Quote from: Karas on August 16, 2011, 10:29:00
Kinda like V
they did that in like the 70's first - watch it, it was better and lasted longer than the new one.
In regards to what I was getting at before: The first V came out around 1984 (eh, 1984) and the Aliens were symbols of how the Nazi's came into power. Even the symbol on their clothing slightly resembles a swastika. "V" was the rebellion against them.
From wiki:
QuoteThe story became a Nazi allegory, right down to the Swastika-like emblem used by the Visitors and their SS-like uniforms. There is a youth auxiliary movement called the "Friends of the Visitors" with obvious similarities to the Hitler Youth, and Visitor broadcasts mimic Nazi-era propaganda. The show's portrayal of human interaction with the Visitors bears a striking resemblance to stories from Occupied Europe during World War II with some citizens choosing collaboration and others choosing to join underground resistance movements.
Where the Nazis persecuted primarily Jews, the Visitors were instead depicted to persecute scientists, their families, and anyone associating with them. They also distribute propaganda in an effort to hide their true identity. Some of the main characters in the initial series were from a Jewish family and the grandfather, a Holocaust survivor, frequently commented on the events of the past again unfolding. Once they are in a position to do so, the Visitors later declare martial law to control the scientists (and resistance fighters) as well.
Art imitating life. Most good stories are ripped-off from something else. The Cohen bros wouldn't have a career without it (though they are the best at it).
The "swastika" was first found in Egypt. Supposedly a symbol on an Alien Craft. Hitler was fascinated by UFOs. German Archaeologists could be found all over Egypt and the Pyramids looking for evidence of Alien Technology. Hitler was trying to find the secrets of the Ancients. There are many books written on this subject. He even had his own society of channels named the "Vril".
Hitler was hardcore into mysticism and regularly ingested such things as peyote and the like. He later became a drug addict (using opiates and amphetamines daily), but he was always into mysticism as many of you probably know. It may be uncomfortable for some to acknowledge, but he was a lot more like us projectors that history lets on.
I wana know who the guy is that hitler called "superman" aparentlly from what hitler said "I met the new man and he's terrorfieing" (spelling) he def seemed scared of this "superman" guy. Could this guy be ruleling us or something? I would say hitler was a great exsplorer in his time and I wish we can learn on what he reserched and his beliefs in the unknown. But all we get is he was a christain who hated Jews and other people and started killing them all. Till you learn he was building ufo's and taking symbols from diffrnt cultures that represents diffrnt meaninga and stuff. Could hitlers story be a coverup? There's a conspircy saying that he never orderd such deaths and stuff so it's intresting to understand this guy and what his real agenda was cause tba... The real bad guys are the ones who invaded half of the world killing it's people to turn it into there own world.
I shouldn't have said anything :(
lulz