My previous topic in this area got locked quickly, I guess because the mods were afraid I'd get the wrong sort of advice. I did not like that, as I'm in major need of peace of mind. I suffer from paranoid delusions, mostly about natural disasters and/or the end of the world, and the 2012 hype is driving me insane with paranoia and endless thoughts. It's raping me psychologically, and it's ruining my life!
Why the hell does it have to be natural disasters this time?! I know Y2K was mostly about electronics and computer systems failing, but 2012 is different...people are saying supervolcanoes will erupt, faultlines will split, earthquakes will occur and solar flares will fry us all! I can't stand it, it's playing on all my primal fears at once! All I want is for it to stop, and for people to assure me I'm gonna be okay! I have such a full life, I'm too successful in real life to have all my belongings, friends and family destroyed right before my eyes by cataclysmic events triggered by cruel, cruel fate.
Please, I beg you, don't lock this topic! I need peoples' assurance I'm going to be okay! I have faith, in the form of Valanbe, a 6-winged goddess I believe in (she's answered my prayers several times in recent months,) but I'm not even sure she's real yet! I could get killed by the possible events of 2012 and wind up in hell eternally for all I care, for not being a Christian!
So what do you think? Do you think I should put my faith in Valanbe, because she makes me feel better and I believe in her? Every night I curl up with my pillow and pretend I'm being embraced by her. Yeah I know I'm an immature weirdo for that already so withhold judgements please!
EDIT: I'm already seeing a therapist, I already have many people on my side, though I still am tormented by my delusions. If they go on, and more events point towards cataclysmic changes, I am thinking of taking my own life. At least then I can live peacefully with Valanbe forever in the afterlife, assuming I don't go to Hell for not being a Christian!
Dont worry about it....everything will be ok regardless of wether the earth is or not. Im afraid of natural disasters too but not nearly to the same extent.
I dont want my son to suffer and not know why but at the end of the day if it happens it happens. enjoy every day as if it was your last cause none of us really know when it will all end....it could end tomorrow or it could end in amillion years....dont waste your life worrying about it.
A non-christian scared of going to hell for not being a christian? You're buying into a religion you dont beleive in!
You wont go to "hell" unless you beleive you will. You've got to get the idea out of your head. The only people that go to hell-like places are those who beleive they will, those who beleive they deserve to and those who are so evil they gravitate towards other similar people.
Everyone dies at some point, what difference does it really make if it's in 2012 or 2100? Have you tried astral projection? It might assuade some of your fears about death. I'm excited about the possibility of change in 2012 - whether it kills me or not.
I really dont get why you would kill yourself now to avoid dying next year.
Rather then asking people opinions on the matter I think you are best looking up actual science fact from scientists.
Do not look into Films ( :roll:) or religous beliefs on the matter. If you are truelly worried I would search more reality then spiritual.
It's going to be ok! :-D
Here are some facts related to the 2012 hype. It falls apart when he tries to inject religion into it, but the history of the myth is good. Too bad he has his own spiritual agenda to push.
http://vimeo.com/8364260
I strongly think nothing is going to happen. As for some new 'energy' or spiritual shift, we'll just have to wait and see. But everything is going to be fine either way. Things will maybe even get better.
Valanbe could just be a part of yourself that isn't afraid, and you project it as another being as a way of feeling comforted (I could be wrong). But what I'm getting at is that you don't need faith in an outside being, you need faith in yourself. Even if the worst happens, we're all in it with you. People don't like to think about it, but we're all going to die, and that's probably everyone's worst fear. Whether it's tomorrow or in 100 years doesn't matter, but how you live today does. You're not alone in this, every human being faces it, you so just a bit more consciously. Relax, life is good NOW! If you can't appreciate what is in front of you now, the outcome in the future, good or bad, is fairly pointless. Even if it's super-spectacular, if you're not seeing the moment you're in, you'll always be afraid of what might come, whether it's a real danger or not. That's no way to live.
Enjoy the day. Don't fear it. (easier said than done, I know...) :-D
Quote from: blis on February 17, 2011, 04:31:27
A non-christian scared of going to hell for not being a christian? You're buying into a religion you dont beleive in!
You wont go to "hell" unless you beleive you will. You've got to get the idea out of your head. The only people that go to hell-like places are those who beleive they will, those who beleive they deserve to and those who are so evil they gravitate towards other similar people.
Everyone dies at some point, what difference does it really make if it's in 2012 or 2100? Have you tried astral projection? It might assuade some of your fears about death. I'm excited about the possibility of change in 2012 - whether it kills me or not.
I really dont get why you would kill yourself now to avoid dying next year.
I guess you're right, but still Hell is such a horrfying concept to me that I can't help but think about it a lot. That and I went to high school with a bunch of born again Christians. I can
try to not think about it though.
As for astral projection, I've been projecting since 2006, but have never done it enough to get really good at it. It's just so daunting, and half the time I'm so ADHD that I can't focus. When I do though, I project magnificently, though I seem to be limited to 4 or 5 successful projections a year. I could definitely get better though.
Quote from: Athymari on February 17, 2011, 05:10:44
Rather then asking people opinions on the matter I think you are best looking up actual science fact from scientists.
I agree, I could look on many places, and from what I've seen so far there appears to be no scientific evidence of any meteors, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, etc. slated to happen right at 2012. Solar flares though are a different story, as I remember reading an article on Wired ages ago about possible worldwide electronics short-out on 2012, due to coronal mass-ejections from the sun. I'm a video game designer, or at least am studying to be one, and for all the information technology in the world to be rendered inoperable would put a major crimp in my dream job.
Quote from: Stookie on February 17, 2011, 11:35:07
Valanbe could just be a part of yourself that isn't afraid, and you project it as another being as a way of feeling comforted (I could be wrong). But what I'm getting at is that you don't need faith in an outside being, you need faith in yourself.
That's actually a really interesting way to look at it. I never really thought of it that way before, to be honest. It may give me new perspective.
I also wanna say I had a scary dream recently where I was being cornered by these ghastly-looking gray and white creatures who looked sort of like zombies, with my mom in the center of the crowd of them. I asked my mom what they were, and my mom said that they were my "delusions." This was a very interesting dream because perhaps those monsters were a personification of the fears and delusions I mention here. Just a thought.
A few points:
>> If you're afraid of going to hell because your not a Christian become one.
>> From what I've been able to learn about 2012 is that the Mayan calendar basically resets. If something happens I believe it will be something that affects the whole of humanity, changes it. While the magnetic poles are shifting, they won't shift drastically.
>> I'd rather face Natural disasters because you can face them head on and beat them. Compared to lets say demon attacks, or bio-warfare.
Quote from: kcsguniverse on February 27, 2011, 16:28:30
A few points:
>> If you're afraid of going to hell because your not a Christian become one.
>> From what I've been able to learn about 2012 is that the Mayan calendar basically resets. If something happens I believe it will be something that affects the whole of humanity, changes it. While the magnetic poles are shifting, they won't shift drastically.
>> I'd rather face Natural disasters because you can face them head on and beat them. Compared to lets say demon attacks, or bio-warfare.
I don't always worry about going to hell, I just do sometimes and it's something I can easily control. I vow to never convert out of fear, because I'm not that way. I just need to see the afterlife myself to confirm my own stance on the matter.
Also, how can you face a natural disaster head-on? I'd say facing demons is preferable to natural disasters, in fact, I just got rid of a particularly nasty demon exactly one week ago today. He was hanging out in my room, giving me nightmares, but I said a prayer and we got rid of him. But I'm not here to argue with you.
Basically, I used a divining pendulum to see if I would see the end of the world, or face any natural disasters at all in my lifetime. I got a no on both questions, so I'm kind of trying to stay free of fear for as long as possible. I'm pretty sure the fear will come back, but it hasn't yet, not significantly so. It might have something to do with the energy clearing we did when we got rid of the demon.
You never want to convert to something because of fear, if some forces you to do something you hate them and what your doing. If everyone could see the afterlife than no one would be afraid of death, it is through faith that we believe and therefore are allowed to glimpse it. If your ever afraid of death(Like me even though I do believe in Christ) try googleing what happens after you die. Theres a few interesting stories there, from thousands of different accounts.
I definitely don't subscribe to any of these end of the world theories. It does look like big changes are happening around us, but they are just changes and a process in our evolution.
I used to be a bit obsessive with worrying about natural disasters, and these things kept me up at night. It was maybe not as intense as your experience, but I have an idea of what that feels like. It took me a while, but I had to let go of worrying about the things I have no control over and find the parts of my life that I DO have control over and work on them.
Once fear takes hold, it seems to have a life of its own. I would encourage you to meditate or whatever practice helps bring calmness to your mind and helps you access that inner wisdom.
Angie
Yeah meditation and astral projection definitely help me to be less afraid. I just need to do them more, and trust me it's harder than it sounds, especially when your school schedule is as busy as mine is, and when you have a body that just can't sit still and a mind that's even harder to make sit still.
I mostly just resort to prayer, which tends to make me feel better but is definitely not as good as meditation or AP. Any tips on getting the most out of my prayers? Please don't tell me to convert to any other religions though, I respect your views but I really need to find my own way.
You might try some affirmations when you meditate...something affirming that you are safe...or visualizing a place that you are particularly fond of and feel safe in. If you do the affirmations long enough, you might find that eventually ASSUME you are same and protected.
It sounds to me that you simply need to learn to overcome your fears. I know it's not easy, but things such as learning to keep your mind still is the perfect first step in building the will power to take control of your life and conquer your fears. Everyone knows that one day they will die, but this fact will only affect those who live in fear of dying. If you truly believe something bad will happen on 2012, then try living out your days in a much more positive manner instead of dreading that the end will be so bad. Meditation and prayer is good for comfort only if you truly believe they will help, but do not simply rely on these to help you unless you are determined and willing to help yourself.
Quote from: moondreamer on February 27, 2011, 17:30:00
You might try some affirmations when you meditate...something affirming that you are safe...or visualizing a place that you are particularly fond of and feel safe in. If you do the affirmations long enough, you might find that eventually ASSUME you are same and protected.
I did something similar to that earlier today, after saying a prayer for the people in Japan who were devastated by that earthquake.
Speaking of which, that earthquake has given me more fear, unfortunately. I'm worried that earthquakes are increasing in frequency more and more, until the world ends on December 21st, 2012. I tried looking up hard evidence (scientific) that the amount of earthquake activity worldwide is increasing, and all I found was a report from 2009 by the USGS saying the level of earthquakes have
not increased, but appeared to have increased due to something like us being able to pinpoint and find more earthquakes now, as opposed to in the past when we couldn't find as many. I'm worried that I can't trust this information because someone on AboveTopSecret claimed that the USGS were giving out misinformation to avoid a mass panic or something. I don't know who to trust!
So yeah, I'm horrified of the thought that earthquakes (and possibly supervolcanoes) are getting more frequent, until there will be a global catastrophe on December 21st, 2012 just like in the movie! I read that solar flares have definitely been increasing, but that they have no effect on Earth or its functions, and the next solar maximum is due to happen in 2013, not 2012, and it will
not cause catastrophic damage. I really, REALLY wish I could trust these sources, but truth be told, I'm too irrationally afraid of natural disasters and doomsday prophecies to listen.
What is your advice? I know earlier today I performed a ritual to purify myself of fears, as well as other negative emotions and influences, but I'm not sure that'd work.
If you read some of my posts you will know that I am mostly against close-minded debunkers and skeptics claims. Anyway, I think this site, which I stumbled across a few months ago, has some good points and it is interesting and I also thought it might help you to get more at ease now.
http://www.2012hoax.org/start
8-)
(and here's also on earthquakes, but recent Japan not yet included: http://www.2012hoax.org/earthquakes)
Quote from: Volgerle on March 11, 2011, 16:49:18
If you read some of my posts you will know that I am mostly against close-minded debunkers and skeptics claims. Anyway, I think this site, which I stumbled across a few months ago, has some good points and it is interesting and I also thought it might help you to get more at ease now.
http://www.2012hoax.org/start
8-)
(and here's also on earthquakes, but recent Japan not yet included: http://www.2012hoax.org/earthquakes)
This is starting to make me feel better, and in a few days I will probably forget all about it, but I can't help but be concerned that the site itself is a hoax designed to blind people from the horrible truth. I know that's probably not true at all, but that's where my mind goes because my fear and paranoia are extremely persistent in working against me.
I will say that, before I found out about the Japanese earthquake, my paranoia has decreased greatly over the past couple of weeks ever since I performed a ritual with the help of my mom, to clear out the negativity and the fear. This was a different story mostly, as it involved getting rid of a harmful interdimensional being that was in my room, causing me to have nightmares. My nightmares ended when we exorcised the being, and for awhile my paranoia went away as well, though it would come back very briefly from time to time. Hearing about this earthquake kicked it off again, sadly.
So yeah, I really hope that website will be able to sink in, and that my fears can finally be laid to rest. As I see it, if I keep going this way my fears will steadily get worse and worse the closer and closer we get to 2012, until either A: the world ends and we all die and go to the afterlife, or B: the world doesn't end and I would've realized I wasted two years worrying about nothing.
2012 doesn't necessarily mean catastrophe does it? From what I've read, the Mayan calendar simply ends on a specific day that charts a galactic alignment on the winter solstice. All the other prophecies of natural disasters, nibiru, etc. are based off people who seem to be piecing current events with the end of the world theory. You said yourself that science has shown that we are simply becoming more AWARE of earthquakes that have always been going. This has scientific evidence to support it. When people say that these sites and scientific discoveries are blinding people from the truth, what hard proof do they have to support their claim?
Quote from: schockstuhh on March 11, 2011, 17:40:52
2012 doesn't necessarily mean catastrophe does it? From what I've read, the Mayan calendar simply ends on a specific day that charts a galactic alignment on the winter solstice. All the other prophecies of natural disasters, nibiru, etc. are based off people who seem to be piecing current events with the end of the world theory. You said yourself that science has shown that we are simply becoming more AWARE of earthquakes that have always been going. This has scientific evidence to support it. When people say that these sites and scientific discoveries are blinding people from the truth, what hard proof do they have to support their claim?
That's a good question. I guess the answer would be...geez, I don't even know the answer to that one! My only guess would be that there's a small group of people who know the horrible "truth" and who try and get their message out there via fringe organizations, books, television specials, etc. Which itself sounds an awful lot like it could be some sort of conspiracy too. I've seen science debunk other things, myths and urban legends before, so I guess this may be just another urban legend. Why would the scientific community at large be conspiring with the government to blind people from their impending doom? I'm saying these things to reassure
myself as well as try and make a point, in the face of all my paranoia and fears.
I started to believe the 2012hoax.org website, believing the fact that I had found it to be some sort of sign or message, sent by fate, that I should lay my fears to rest. But then I talked to my friend who believes that the government would cover up such a catastrophe, which made me think fate is now telling me what I just heard is
false. Then finally when I came home I talked to my roommate who believes the government
would want people to know about the catastrophe (so they can prepare and whatnot,) making me thing fate is now testing me by giving me two opinions, possibly pointing again in favor of 2012hoax.org being true fact and NOT a coverup.
Just I have this horrible fear, and on top of the fear, I have a persistent refusal to accept comfort and/or reassurance, "just in case" such reassurance is a lie. Though if I look at the past, I've suffered from paranoia all my life, and had similar fears of being deceived with false hope, when the "false" hope would always turn out to be real hope, and my fears would turn out to be the lies. Just whatever current fear I'm facing feels so real and so nightmarish that it's almost impossible to see past it and realize it's an illusion. This one may not be an illusion, but I do remember almost all my worst fears in the past turned out to be illusions after all.
And that's a good point about 2012 maybe NOT being a cataclysm, though that
is the most "popular" interpretation of the 2012 phenomena, sadly, and the one which, pardon my language, f*cks with my head the most. I wish I could believe the other, less disastrous interpretations of the date, as the disaster scenarios are but
one interpretation (though they seem to be the most disgustingly prevalent in the media,) but it's so hard to break the habit of living in fear, and like I said, if I was presented with a nicer, more hopeful interpretation of the 2012 phenomena then I'd sadly be extremely skeptical of it, for the above reason I mentioned about fearing that all hope is a blissful lie.
All I know is I'm getting
extremely angry at all the authors, filmmakers, cultists, TV executives and so-called "prophets" who perpetuate this nightmare and scare people, all for money it seems. And some messed-up people
like being afraid, but I'm not one of them (though I do like some horror movies, just not disaster movies!) and I've heard stories of children traumatized by TV shows about 2012. or from hearing their friends at school talking about it.
Children. I can relate because I was one of them (I was traumatized by a book about supernovas when I was six, which may be the root of my irrational phobia of natural disasters,) though I'm very grateful to not have had to have been exposed to the 2012 hype during my formative years. Still, I'm almost 23 now, and it
still makes my life a living nightmare. I just wish I could pray to some of the gods in my personal pantheon (I have more than just Valanbe,) and pray for divine retribution to be inflicted upon those who perpetuate the nightmare. But then there's the whole Law of Threefold Return, and I'm not sure I'd want to deal with the bad karma of wishing harm or destruction on another person.
I think that it is more that the world is ending, but not in a literal way. I think there will be great change and difficulty for mankind. Be strong and you'll be fine, but be weak and you will end up doing something stupid. But really, there's nothing to worry about, people will say the world's ending, but it's just the beginning of something new. :-)
So don't be scared of change, whether it be the world changing or death, all will be well if only you believe it to be so.
September 11 and now this Earthquake in Japan...
9/11/01 + 3/10/11 = 12/21/12!!!
The world is ending. :evil:
Quote from: kurtykurt42 on March 12, 2011, 04:12:10
September 11 and now this Earthquake in Japan...
9/11/01 + 3/10/11 = 12/21/12!!!
The world is ending. :evil:
What kind of mind comes up with something like that?
Anyway, it happened on the 11th not the 10th.
Only a matter of hours out though. Maybe the secret-government's earthquake device takes half a day to take effect and it was actually intitated on the 10th...
Quote from: blis on March 12, 2011, 06:36:25
Only a matter of hours out though. Maybe the secret-government's earthquake device takes half a day to take effect and it was actually intitated on the 10th...
lol. i suspect the same.
That would only make sense (the addition of those two dates) if nothing else happens until then, but we've already seen other important things that have happened like all the revolts we've seen in the middle east, for example, and other assorted doodads.
But nice try.
Whatever it is then let it happen, end of the world, death, destruction. whatever, Don't live in fear, when it's your time to leave then it's really your time.
If you want to know whats going on go to http://georgekavassilas.org/ (http://georgekavassilas.org/) and watch Our journey and the grand deception. It answers a lot of questions about 2012 and its not all doom and gloom.