The reality of the Pole Shift?

[phitau]

Okay, this post will only be written from my general knowledge of science and from what I've been told.

By some galactic alignment and the Niburu passing in 2012, earth will stop spinning. This will basically raise hell on earth (not hell literally)--earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, floods, hurricanes, etc. After some days, so "they" say, the earth will begin to rotate again, but mostly likely on a different axis than it used to.

Well that's what I've read.

Anyway, I started thinking about this which I haven't read anywhere else, yet. Well from what I know, if Earth stops rotating, doesn't that mean the magnetosphere will dissolve for a while? That means we'll have no magnetic protection from the solar winds. Also, don't we need our magnetosphere to power our machines? Electricity will be lost for the time being. Furthermore, if machines won't work neither will our bodies. Since our brains and whole nervous system simply run on electric, will we die?

Maybe I'm wrong about the electric thing, but that's what I was taught. Keep in mind that I'm no scientist here, so be easy with the rants if I'm wrong. This is just a thought I had that I'm hoping someone with better knowledge can clear up for me.

[AmbientSound]

Artificial shielding in underground shelters could be put in place to ensure our survival. I'm not sure what will happen to the ecosystem that we're already destroying anyway, but plants can be grown in artificial environments using special equipment. And since this is only supposed to happen over a period of one to three days, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Just keep lots of water nearby.

[Adun]

By some galactic alignment and the Niburu passing in 2012, earth will stop spinning.

lulz

Next time don't use the Uncyclopedia as a source of knowledge.

[phitau]

Adun,

Before correcting me, be correct yourself. I know of "LOL," but what the heck is a "lulz"--an immature, kiddie form to express laughter?

Also, both the Niburu and galactic alignment are theories spread throughout the internet, and I am just stating these stories to explain a theory that derives from both.

I'm sorry if I seem aggressive, but I'm just sick of seeing people--not just myself--receiving worthless replies to their theories. If you're going to post a reply, please make it a valuable one.

[Adun]

lulz is more fun, and more appropriate for this situation I'd say.

I have yet to see proof for "niburu" or a "galactic alignment" (whatever that means). Besides, how the hell is any of those gonna stop the earth's rotation?

This whole 2012 thing is just silly. I remember a few years back nobody would lose time with this crap, but as irony wished now there is even a forum dedicated to it.

[Kyrin Blair]

I have to pick this apart because it's making my soul hurt.

Okay, this post will only be written from my general knowledge of science and from what I've been told.

By some galactic alignment and the Niburu passing in 2012, earth will stop spinning. This will basically raise hell on earth (not hell literally)--earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, floods, hurricanes, etc. After some days, so "they" say, the earth will begin to rotate again, but mostly likely on a different axis than it used to.

The earth cannot stop spinning. Period. Even if it falls into the damn sun, it'll still have angular momentum.

Anyway, I started thinking about this which I haven't read anywhere else, yet. Well from what I know, if Earth stops rotating, doesn't that mean the magnetosphere will dissolve for a while? That means we'll have no magnetic protection from the solar winds.

The magnetosphere has nothing to do with Earth's rotation. At all. The earth is full of iron and is effective a big magnet.

Also, don't we need our magnetosphere to power our machines? Electricity will be lost for the time being. 

No.

Furthermore, if machines won't work neither will our bodies. Since our brains and whole nervous system simply run on electric, will we die?

...sigh...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetosphere



This is why we need reruns of Bill Nye the Science Guy XD

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Ok that was a bit harsh but I've gotten that out of my system.

Aight. So the earth is a giant ball of rock with a molten metal core. This core is magnetic. It has momentum, and can't physically stop spinning. What you are confusing is Geomagnetic Reversal with Pole Shift. Pole shift is when the axis of rotation moves over the course of hundreds, thousands, if not millions of years. Geomagnetic reversal is when the polarity (North-South) flips, however this isn't theorized to happen anytime soon. This is theorized to be possible due to the liquid nature of Earth's Core. There would be a period in which there was no strong magnetic field, and this might screw with homing pigeons and navigation by compass, but other than that, it won't affect daily life.

Magnets which are used in generators have their own magnetic field, it has nothing to do with the earth's field. And the human body's ion channels have nothing to do with magnetic fields whatsoever, it's a completely chemical process.

Hope that clears things up.

[AmbientSound]

Well, there is evidence such as the honey bees in North America which are dying off at a very alarming rate, and nobody seems to know why.

[Adun]

Well, there is evidence such as the honey bees in North America which are dying off at a very alarming rate, and nobody seems to know why.

roflemons.

Are you serious? Please explain why disappearing bees represent evidence for pole shift theory and/or earth's rotation stopping and/or 2012 crap.

[no_leaf_clover]

I like all the sarcasm and scoffing.  It reminds me of... everywhere else on the Internet that adolescents post on forums.

[aleshah]

Whats about the idea of a 90 degree turn of the electro-magnetic field.
I mean not the general 90 degree turn of electric motors which makes motion possible but the field itself in polarity like used in sci-fi stuff like UFOs to navigate and to switch to a layer of the 4th dimension (also called zeropoint energy)???If time moves in cycles will this form at end align to a 90 degree quadratur mode, while there is already a cube inside a cycle and the cycle was build triangular...

Are we going to the positrons - mode and experience energy which is called time backwards? Or are we going to turn to living superconductors?Will we be a part of humanity able fly to mars at end, like a part of humanity came from mars after several natural attacks?Terraforming takes several years while there is no complete mind control at home atm. which makes me thinking.We had brand new computers like Win and Mac, which have survived the y2k issue. I think computers will calculate our potential next.

[Adun]

no_leaf_clover

If you want to know, I'm 18, but that's irrelevant. My question and the point it makes would remain valid even if I was 5.


aleshah,

I sincerely have no idea what you're going on about.

[aleshah]

Time will answer all questions 
If you look at the question: The reality of the poleshift?
What is the question exactly? lol
Are u expecting water flows down the shower in the opposite spiral direction?

[Adun]

I meant...

A 90 degree turn of the earth's magnetic field? Do mean the magnetic poles? While there is plenty of evidence of geomagnetic reversal, I don't know if we can say the same for a "half-reversal", and how would that affect us?

UFOs? 4th dimension? How do those relate to magnetic fields?

Again, what's a positron mode? And what the hell it has to do with time going backwards or we turning into superconductors? (wtf)

Your post was totally incoherent, didn't make any sense.

[aleshah]

Its supposed to be a 180 degree turn i guess.
I meant a turn 90 out of phase, however its not proven if this is possible without getting injured.
Reminds me of the Philadelphia Experiment - Time Traveling etc.
If the technology is complete space flight is possible with the alpha type of three engines which turn 180 degree to the opposite of earth magnetic field.
With only one engine you probably just "flop" out downwards and fall into water.
One of the engines was hit in the 1960's UFO landing by military but gone somehow safe coz of extended aerodynamic/shield of the base shell - i guess.


Turning to superconductors - its just a hypothese, if the poles are shifted slightly to zero, i guess there is also slightly zero resistance to electrons. I guess I failed.

Another point is i dunno how "fast" the turn/shift will happen and going to affect us somehow.
Its however proven that the suicidal rate is increasing during electomagnetic storms on earth.

[phitau]

The galactic alignment is the event when our planet crosses the equator of the center of our galaxy, which is a black hole. The theory that the earth stops spinning is not the only theory. Most people actually believe in ascension. Some religious buffs believe December 21, 2012 is Judgment Day. Honey bees are not the only species that are dramatically falling onto the endangered species list. There's even an increase in human deaths--some by nature, some by weird and unexplained causes, some by suicide, etc. It's the nature of time, now, leading up to 2012 which supports the prophecies of 2012. The prophecy that's getting most evidence support is that by the end of 2012, two-thirds of the world population will be gone. We're coming to the realization that two-thirds won't die by one single event but many small events as 2012 nears. So maybe it's true that the world population will decline and an order of nature is taking place. Adun is right about some previous statements but wrong about contradictions toward Aleshah. Thanks, Aleshah, for you kind input.

[no_leaf_clover]

Yeah, what physically will happen is hard to predict and probably should be less of a concern to us than what is going to happen to people in the future anyway.

Capitalism and the Western way of life is unsustainable, especially with huge nations like India and China jumping on board.  What happens is relatively few individuals in the world use vast proportions of the available resources.  The US, for example, is less than 5% of the Earth's population, but uses over 25% of its supply of oil.  Major media is starting to report world food shortages hitting home as the value of the dollar declines and Americans become increasingly unrestful for a variety of reasons, including widespread suspicion of widespread corruption and the pitiful shape of our economy.  And did anybody forget about the wars we still have going on in the Mid-East, and trying to spark up even more?

All this was in the cards, though, and has been for probably decades, if not much longer.  That our economy would eventually catastrophically collapse was determined the day the Federal Reserve Act was passed, and private banks began issuing US currency and issuing interests and compound interests on our debts so that, at this point, we go down quicker than we could ever come back out.  Similarly for the rest.  Oil companies knew they would become obsolete as technology progressed, and at this crucial era in time, look at the White House:  Bush, Cheney, and Rice were all in the oil business.  It's like they're making their last run for it, too.

Just in general a lot of really important things are going to have to change whether we want them to or not,  and the way they're going to change by themselves isn't going to pretty for the rest of us.

[aleshah]

Oil is limited in ressource. It may remain 50 years and then it will be probably consumed like coal for example.
There are alternated energy sources and ideas have to replace the old.
Our psy is willing to pick extreme examples like oil ressources,  the population decline and natural disaster increase, because we have no clue at all. Everything that produces fear is that the system gonna to crash which means the old pattern of thinking needs to be replaced with a new one.
I expect it will not be replaced completly it will be slightly changed.
It takes just 4 years to 2012 and seeing what happens provided that we survive untill then. I dont expect rapid changes, but changes must happen according to the pattern of nature and the way we use natural resources ...

[Kyrin Blair]

Honeybees and flux capacitors aside...

What we need to worry about is the future direction that mankind is taking, not some cosmic new year.

If I were any sort of god, I wouldn't throw down judgement day on 12/21/2012 just because that would be EXPECTED. I would want to take the world by surprise.

For that matter, if I were any sort of god, I would never conduct any sort of mass ascendance, because from a karmic point of view, it's completely counterproductive.

You negate any lessons learned this time around on the Earth plane. You destroy any existing build up energetic structure. You pretty much quash any progress up till that point of time.

And don't give me any of that 'cleansing' BS. This world could be WAAAY way worse, it is within the realm of fixable.

[aleshah]

Why to worry about a direction mankind is taking.Only because out of our conservative point of view?
If ascendance is possible, why you should prohibit it?I mean everyone is free to ascend and to descend then..

What do we know about earth?What do u see in it- a ball of dirt?
To pass some questionable lessons you talk of and to die on this clump without your own progress?
I mean think about it, is your rest of days 3-dimensional or multidimensional?

If there is a god, he wouldnt give a bonk about it...

[Kyrin Blair]

Well, obviously (s)he gives a bonk about it. And earth IS multidimensional, seems you have to poke around a bit more. Just because our influence over reality is less than that of other planes doesn't make it a ball of dirt (although flying would be nice).

As for ascendance, well, most of the people here aren't ready for it, and most that are have been able to do it for millennia and are here for some reason or another. I don't think the clock is gonna strike midnight and magical pixie dust will be dispersed allowing everyone to beam up. If someone had the ability to ascend and had absolutely no reason to be here, they would have left.

[Vitruvian]

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=why-does-the-earths-magne
One of several articles in the Scientific American, discussing why and how often the earth's magnetic field reverses. I'd say you could call that a pole shift.

We know from magnetic records locked in rocks that the Earth's magnetic field has reversed many times in the past. We don't really know why but we have some theories that are being borne out in mathematical models.
We also know that the magnetic field of the sun reverses as well-- every 11 years, whereas the Earth's reverses irregularly

Current modelling shows the geodynamo is indeed in a state of flux right now. Also, it is hypothesized that many species (such as honeybees) may navigate to a degree via magnetic fields. I have personally noted that the geese in our flyway no longer seem to have a good handle on where they are or where they're going in the last several years.
Vitruvian
PS - no_leaf_clover, I just had to give you a +karma  Using sarcasm to zing sarcasm, yet, somehow in a good way 

I like all the sarcasm and scoffing.  It reminds me of... everywhere else on the Internet that adolescents post on forums.

[Adun]

The galactic alignment is the event when our planet crosses the equator of the center of our galaxy, which is a black hole.

That's true. However, we got absolutely no proof that being aligned with a supermassive black hole thousands of light years away has any effect at all. Also, since the Sun crosses the galactic plane about every 33 million years, we can conclude the Mayan calendar (a 26 thousand years cycle) isn't based on that event.

Honey bees are not the only species that are dramatically falling onto the endangered species list.

Natural and human made changes to the environment are to blame I would guess.

There's even an increase in human deaths--some by nature, some by weird and unexplained causes, some by suicide, etc. It's the nature of time, now, leading up to 2012 which supports the prophecies of 2012. The prophecy that's getting most evidence support is that by the end of 2012, two-thirds of the world population will be gone. We're coming to the realization that two-thirds won't die by one single event but many small events as 2012 nears. So maybe it's true that the world population will decline and an order of nature is taking place.

Sources please?

We do know for a fact that life expectancy has been increasing over time. I couldn't find any information on the evolution of mortality rates, though it's reasonable to believe they're decreasing.

Adun is right about some previous statements but wrong about contradictions toward Aleshah.

Would you care to elaborate? I'm not quite satisfied with just a "you're wrong".

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=why-does-the-earths-magne
One of several articles in the Scientific American, discussing why and how often the earth's magnetic field reverses. I'd say you could call that a pole shift.

You could but you really shouldn't, pole shift hypothesis refers to something completely different from geomagnetic reversal.

[Vitruvian]

Quote from: Vitruvian on May 26, 2008, 16:51:37
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=why-does-the-earths-magne
One of several articles in the Scientific American, discussing why and how often the earth's magnetic field reverses. I'd say you could call that a pole shift.

You could but you really shouldn't, pole shift hypothesis refers to something completely different from geomagnetic reversal.

My (only) point was that when the field reverses the poles will indeed shift, by definition (they've moved) and in a really big way, not just the smallish movements hypothesized by pole shift theory. I grant the literature doesn't use that nomenclature.
Vitruvian

[Kyrin Blair]

Either way you look at it, it's a random phenomenon, and a process that takes thousands of years. There is no one specific event, and there is no way the Mayans could have predicted it.

If it did occur in the foreseeable future, the worse that could happen would be collapse of the ionic barrier, and we'd have more than enough time to get a mylar suit for every man, woman and child.

We have far more to worry about CO2 and methane in the atmosphere, degradation of the ozone layer, toxic buildup, and acid rain.

[Awakened_Mind]

The reality of the pole shift is that during some part of earth's history the magnetic north-south orientation has reversed 180 degrees, once or perhaps more. Secondly, we have no mathematical, scientific and to my knowledge anthropological evidence to support the notion that the earth will cease spinning and the pole's shift again on the exact date of Dec 21st 2012.

-AM