Which one? Galactic Alignment or Niburu.

[phitau]

December 21, 2012 (11:11am GMT) marks the end of the Pisces age and also the end of the main Mayan calendar. There are two very popular theories that people are talking about, the galactic alignment and the planet Niburu.

Well which one is true? Are both going to happen? Will we shift into a new dimension as a result of the alignment of our planet with the galactic equator or as a result of a pole shift because of a huge gravitational pull from the massive crossing planet?

This thread is not meant to argue the question whether anything is going to happen, so please avoid input such as, "On Dec. 21, 2012 you will wake up, go to the bathroom, shave your face, brush your teeth ... go to work, eat dinner, go back to bed and sleep. [Nothing happens.]" This thread is simply asking which theory about 2012 you believe, only if any at all.

I just haven't seen a thread that addresses both of these theories.

[Jazket]

You haven't seen much about this because nobody really knows anything that can be scientifically proved. First off The Mayans never wrote anything about a Doomsday, nor a Pole Shift.

Their calendar says only one thing, The end of One Galactic Day or Great Cycle (a period of 25,625 years average) and that's ALL there is. Then another Galactic Day starts over again, back to zero and towards another 25,625 years of count (which divided by 5 equals 5,125 years, or The Long Count).

Scientists however have evaluated the possibility of a Pole Shift and the causes of such an event, and have also studdied evidence of previous earth's pole shifts on ancient rocks.

There is ZERO evidence of an object BIGGER than Jupiter itself (Dwarf Star which is the qualification given to the so called Nibiru [Planet X] by those who believe in it) somewhere in our solar system. Second planets don't just come out of nowhere and begin orbiting our solar system. Third our last planet, Pluto takes about 248 earth-years to orbit around the sun, and any object farther than Pluto would take 300+ earth-years. If "Nibiru" was 4 years from passing by Earth, and due to the "fact" that it's indeed a Dwarf Star (which are qualified to have the mass of Jupiter and bigger) we'd probably see it in the outer sky without the need of sophisticated telescopes.

The only object that is to pass the closest to our Planet by the date of January 31st, 2012 is 433 Eros, a 13x13x33 km stellar object and will distant the earth about 16.6 million miles (less than half the distance between Earth and Mars).

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012

The Galactic Alignment on the other hand, is a scientifically proved event. Our Solar System wobbles up and down within our mother Galaxy. Each period or wobble (this is what I believe and have studied, I have no source for this however) seems to last about 26 thousand years (this is what the Mayans referred to in their Calendar as a Galactic Day). Each 26 thousand years (or 25,625 to be exact) our Solar System is to pass entirely by the Galaxy's equinox (point zero) and then back to another spike that last another 25,625 earth-years before it hits the middle of the galaxy again. That's about all that is known.

About a new age:

Astrologists have elaborated a Horoscope based on the Mayan Calendar without even knowing it: Twelve are the houses on the Horoscope. Divide 25,625 by 5 and that's about 5,150 (years). These are the 5 Cycles Mayans referred to as well. Now divide instead, 25,625 by 12 and you get 2,137 years. Each House of the Horoscope Wheel lasts about 2,137 years. The earth spends 2,137 on each house during a Galactic Day.



If what I'm saying is right, then we can look at the Bible and see that (if the bible is also right) we've Passed through the age of Aries and Pisces and are just about to enter Aquarius. Jesus said about his return. The Christ Consciousness was not Jesus, the man, but instead the Living Spirit inside that human shaped form which himself said it was even before Moses.

How can we notice the fact of the Horoscope Wheel? Since Jesus Christ's last coming to our planet, 2008 years have passed. As you can see, a Galactic Day divided by 12 equals 2,137 years (not exactly 2008, but not that far either). If We are in the age of Pisces that indicates the fact that Jesus miracles had to do mostly with Fish, that today's representation of Jesus Christ and Christianity has to do with a fish (a very known symbol is a fish with the word JESUS inside, mostly seen on Cars.) "That he made them fishers of men" "And he multiplied the fish so the multitude could eat" ... Then wee look to the years before Christ, when the bible mentions sheeps everywhere, and the sacrifice of sheeps and their blood to the God in Heavens. That counts as Aries. Then we go still more behind in history (about 4,000 years) and we have Moses and the Golden Bull, and Greeks and the myth of Minotaurs (half-human, half-bull). It all seems to match up. Read the Bible, all references to what I'm saying are there.

http://bible.com

Then a New Age (the Age of Aquarius) is really due very soon (maybe 2012, maybe a couple years later) and perhaps The Christ is keeping his word after all. But when will it all happen? The Mayans seemed to know when... How? I leave it to you to reason soundly and decide for yourselves, for living a Christlike life is all we need to enter the realms of our Father, He who reigns in Heavens.

[Adun]

Very good post, Jazket. But you're mistaken here:

The Galactic Alignment on the other hand, is a scientifically proved event. Our Solar System wobbles up and down within our mother Galaxy. Each period or wobble (this is what I believe and have studied, I have no source for this however) seems to last about 26 thousand years (this is what the Mayans referred to in their Calendar as a Galactic Day). Each 26 thousand years (or 25,625 to be exact) our Solar System is to pass entirely by the Galaxy's equinox (point zero) and then back to another spike that last another 25,625 earth-years before it hits the middle of the galaxy again. That's about all that is known.

It takes the Sun 33 million years to cross the galactic plane, not 26 thousand. So you see there's no connection between the Solar System crossing the plane and the Mayan calendar. (source)

The 25,765 period you speak of is associated with the precession of the equinoxes.

[slipknot0129]

You haven't seen much about this because nobody really knows anything that can be scientifically proved. First off The Mayans never wrote anything about a Doomsday, nor a Pole Shift.

Their calendar says only one thing, The end of One Galactic Day or Great Cycle (a period of 25,625 years average) and that's ALL there is. Then another Galactic Day starts over again, back to zero and towards another 25,625 years of count (which divided by 5 equals 5,125 years, or The Long Count).

Scientists however have evaluated the possibility of a Pole Shift and the causes of such an event, and have also studdied evidence of previous earth's pole shifts on ancient rocks.

There is ZERO evidence of an object BIGGER than Jupiter itself (Dwarf Star which is the qualification given to the so called Nibiru [Planet X] by those who believe in it) somewhere in our solar system. Second planets don't just come out of nowhere and begin orbiting our solar system. Third our last planet, Pluto takes about 248 earth-years to orbit around the sun, and any object farther than Pluto would take 300+ earth-years. If "Nibiru" was 4 years from passing by Earth, and due to the "fact" that it's indeed a Dwarf Star (which are qualified to have the mass of Jupiter and bigger) we'd probably see it in the outer sky without the need of sophisticated telescopes.

The only object that is to pass the closest to our Planet by the date of January 31st, 2012 is 433 Eros, a 13x13x33 km stellar object and will distant the earth about 16.6 million miles (less than half the distance between Earth and Mars).

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012

The Galactic Alignment on the other hand, is a scientifically proved event. Our Solar System wobbles up and down within our mother Galaxy. Each period or wobble (this is what I believe and have studied, I have no source for this however) seems to last about 26 thousand years (this is what the Mayans referred to in their Calendar as a Galactic Day). Each 26 thousand years (or 25,625 to be exact) our Solar System is to pass entirely by the Galaxy's equinox (point zero) and then back to another spike that last another 25,625 earth-years before it hits the middle of the galaxy again. That's about all that is known.

About a new age:

Astrologists have elaborated a Horoscope based on the Mayan Calendar without even knowing it: Twelve are the houses on the Horoscope. Divide 25,625 by 5 and that's about 5,150 (years). These are the 5 Cycles Mayans referred to as well. Now divide instead, 25,625 by 12 and you get 2,137 years. Each House of the Horoscope Wheel lasts about 2,137 years. The earth spends 2,137 on each house during a Galactic Day.



If what I'm saying is right, then we can look at the Bible and see that (if the bible is also right) we've Passed through the age of Aries and Pisces and are just about to enter Aquarius. Jesus said about his return. The Christ Consciousness was not Jesus, the man, but instead the Living Spirit inside that human shaped form which himself said it was even before Moses.

How can we notice the fact of the Horoscope Wheel? Since Jesus Christ's last coming to our planet, 2008 years have passed. As you can see, a Galactic Day divided by 12 equals 2,137 years (not exactly 2008, but not that far either). If We are in the age of Pisces that indicates the fact that Jesus miracles had to do mostly with Fish, that today's representation of Jesus Christ and Christianity has to do with a fish (a very known symbol is a fish with the word JESUS inside, mostly seen on Cars.) "That he made them fishers of men" "And he multiplied the fish so the multitude could eat" ... Then wee look to the years before Christ, when the bible mentions sheeps everywhere, and the sacrifice of sheeps and their blood to the God in Heavens. That counts as Aries. Then we go still more behind in history (about 4,000 years) and we have Moses and the Golden Bull, and Greeks and the myth of Minotaurs (half-human, half-bull). It all seems to match up. Read the Bible, all references to what I'm saying are there.

http://bible.com

Then a New Age (the Age of Aquarius) is really due very soon (maybe 2012, maybe a couple years later) and perhaps The Christ is keeping his word after all. But when will it all happen? The Mayans seemed to know when... How? I leave it to you to reason soundly and decide for yourselves, for living a Christlike life is all we need to enter the realms of our Father, He who reigns in Heavens.

i imagine nibiru would go alot faster than pluto would, so by 2012 it will be here.

[Adun]

Do you have any sort of evidence to support that claim or did you just 'imagine' it in order to conform with an already chosen conclusion?

[Seeking ET]

Of all the incredible things the Mayans accomplished, perhaps they are best known for their superior calendar.  They were so adept at the movement of the cosmos that they revolved many of their beliefs around them.  With that in mind if anything happens on 2012 I think it will be something astronomical (no pun intended).

[Kyrin Blair]

Like Jazket said, there is ZERO chance of the whole Nibiru thing.

And no matter how you cut it, galactic alignment is REALLLLLYYYY SLOOWWWWW business. There is no way to calculate to the date when you're dealing with thousands or even millions of years.

Additionally, Dec 21 2012 is only the most widely accepted translation of b'ak'tun 13. Regardless of how good the Mayans were at making calendars, we still don't have a direct translation of their work

[kurai kokoro]

hello everyone i am new here and this was the first topic i've seen so i just thought i would put in my thoughts on this subject. but first thing is first, what is the most common astrological event that happins every so often? you see comets quite abit don't you, however no one has ever tried measuring the distance of them have they? well acourding to researchers of the bible code a comet is supposed to hit the earth on 12 21 2012 and that pretty much seems to be more probable then anything seeing as there is thousands or millions of them and thats not to say the galactic alignment won't happin either just remember what happined to the dinosaurs, also in the bible at his birth there was a star brighter then anyother star, could have been a comet.

[brandon89lee]

or nibiru lol

[kurai kokoro]

they already ruled that one out. i think it could be a comet.

[Adun]

Evidence?...

[kurai kokoro]

well, one in the bible it says that an object will fall from the sky from the deep reaches of the galixy, two it's beleived that it's happined before, and three it is common every 50-60 years count all the years up and most likely it'll all add up, i don't know as of yet if it does but i'll conduct research on it sometime.

[Stookie]

...but i'll conduct research on it sometime.

Don't put it off until 2012

[Adun]

well, one in the bible it says that an object will fall from the sky from the deep reaches of the galixy, two it's beleived that it's happined before, and three it is common every 50-60 years count all the years up and most likely it'll all add up, i don't know as of yet if it does but i'll conduct research on it sometime.

1. I doubt the people who wrote the bible even knew galaxies exist.

2. Something happening before doesn't mean it'll happen again, and even if it did, why on 2012 and not other year?

3. An impact event with effects on a global level isn't that common.

[kurai kokoro]

1. I doubt the people who wrote the bible even knew galaxies exist.

2. Something happening before doesn't mean it'll happen again, and even if it did, why on 2012 and not other year?

3. An impact event with effects on a global level isn't that common.

1.the people that wrote the bible wrote the bible from god's words
2. yes in fact it does, history repeats it's self compair current affairs with histroy and because 2012 is the equinox, for a good example of past and current events look up the girl with 8 limbs it's not a coincidence.
3. it all depends on your views of time linear time goes forward while non linear goes back, existing parallel to another yet still not relative.

a site about end times (imagine that everyones obsession)
http://www.bible-prophecy.com/fearful.htm

[edit:]sorry i couldn't find any records so far, i'll continue tomorrow

[Adun]

1.the people that wrote the bible wrote the bible from god's words
2. yes in fact it does, history repeats it's self compair current affairs with histroy and because 2012 is the equinox, for a good example of past and current events look up the girl with 8 limbs it's not a coincidence.
3. it all depends on your views of time linear time goes forward while non linear goes back, existing parallel to another yet still not relative.

a site about end times (imagine that everyones obsession)
http://www.bible-prophecy.com/fearful.htm

[edit:]sorry i couldn't find any records so far, i'll continue tomorrow

1. Why?

2. Yes, history repeats itself a lot, but not always. Just using that logic to prove something without providing evidence is a fallacious way of thinking.

3. Unfortunately that's not how things work in the real world, time goes forward whether you like it or not. Not that it would affect my previous point, which still stands either way.

[kurai kokoro]

okay i was saying we see linear time, because non linear is parallel which means it's on another side so we don't see it, it's like rewinding and fastforwarding the same movie on two differant v.c.r.s one goes forward and one goes backward at the same time yet we live in the world where time goes forward not back so we are incapable of seeing time go backwords, that was my point. and i agree with you about not relying on the past for everything but their are some key elements that we must look for from the past.
        the mayans predicted that during the galactic alignment there would be a rift to the (underworld) so to speak, but what I'm getting at right now is, if you've seen Mortal Kombat annihilation you would see similarities to Mayan prophecy and that movie, I'll admit it is just a movie, but think about it, if we are capable of doing differant kinesis and such, then wouldn't we be able to do alot of that too? and the first two letters are KI like in Japanese translated into Chinese it is chi i don't think it's a coincidence could the Chinese and Japanese been trying to warn us as well?

[Venus_Goddess_of_Love]

you know the bit I don't get is "the people that wrote the bible wrote the bible from god's words". People who believe in this, don't even know who God is. Just ask them and you will see.

I have had many conversations with die-hard Christians and they tell me they have an idea - they have 'felt' God and that is proof enough, or God is the bearded white man in a robe sitting in the clouds.  But they don't want to speculate any further because "doubt" is a sin, and that is a one way ticket to hell.  Belief complteley founded on fear.  Oh what a tangled web we weave!

Until we break the fear, the human race is not evolving at the rate it should, and could. 

Sorry I know it's off topic but this attitude just winds me up.

[kurai kokoro]

you know the bit I don't get is "the people that wrote the bible wrote the bible from god's words". People who believe in this, don't even know who God is. Just ask them and you will see.

I have had many conversations with die-hard Christians and they tell me they have an idea - they have 'felt' God and that is proof enough, or God is the bearded white man in a robe sitting in the clouds.  But they don't want to speculate any further because "doubt" is a sin, and that is a one way ticket to hell.  Belief complteley founded on fear.  Oh what a tangled web we weave!

Until we break the fear, the human race is not evolving at the rate it should, and could. 

Sorry I know it's off topic but this attitude just winds me up.

well ya see thing is, though i believe in god doesn't make me a christian, in fact i don't believe in religion
i am a humble servant of god and he is my lord, if he tells me to kill a demon, i will without a second thought, but i do not fear god, i fear the wraith of man from god. and it doesn't matter to me how god looks, he looks the way he looks,and as long as he needs me to do something for him i will.

and it's okay, i know how it gets, but back to my original point, i think they based mortal kombat off of the Mayan prophicies.

[Adun]

I'll repeat: the Mayans didn't predict any galactic alignment, there's no evidence pointing towards such alignment in the near future or 2012 specifically and should the alignment occur there would be no repercussions on earth.

Time doesn't go backwards, even if it did that's completely irrelevant to the point we were arguing.

You may believe in god, fairies, demons, etc. But unless you provide proof or a logical reasoning for the belief, you can't use them as an argument.

[kurai kokoro]

okay here is your logical reasoning, if god didn't exist then how did we get here? see you couldn't know otherwise because god created us.

[Stookie]

But who created God? If it's logical that we have to have a creator to exist, wouldn't that logic apply to God as well? And if not, why?

[kurai kokoro]

because god is god he is everlasting and all knowing, so if thats the case then he wouldn't need a creator

[Venus_Goddess_of_Love]

Kurai, it is obvious that you haven't thought this through.

You keep on referring to God as "he".  How do you know God is male?

You say the reason we are here is because God created us.  My question again, who is God to you?  Is God an entity outside yourself?  Did one God or many Gods create humans? And what does the creation process involve?

You also refer to "we" and "us".  Sorry mate, but you're on your own here.  Your God may not be my God, and vice versa.  We are all entitled to believe in what we want to believe in.

You are a humble servant of God and will do anything including killing "a demon".  Your tone here sounds very religious even though you claim not to have any religion.  This is also what I call blind faith, where, not only are you not investigating the nature of God, but you would also not question any orders given to you by your God.  Much like a robot.

Kurai, my advice to you is: go out and find yourself, how did you get here? How did the planets, stars, and the universe get here? What are the basics of life? Where do you go when you die? What is the purpose of life?

Only through personal effort would you answer these questions, and no one else would answer them for you.  When you have done this, you will know just how silly it sounds assuming God to be male and everyone shares your point of view; and following orders without questions.

Good luck on your journey.

Venus

[Adun]

because god is god he is everlasting and all knowing, so if thats the case then he wouldn't need a creator

This is your argument:

1 - Assume god exists.
2 -
3 - Profit!

You give god the "magic" attribute so that he may be exempted from all logic. Unfortunately that's not how things work, until you prove god's logic-defying magic powers, the idea of god is as bound to logic as everything we see in the world.

Otherwise I could just as well reply to you that the universe is magic and thus doesn't need a creator.

Better yet, I could say that an omnipotent spaghetti monster that's cold, hot and made of yoghurt, all at the same time, created the universe tomorrow. Doesn't make any sense you say? Doesn't have to, he's omnipotent.