The Government

[95trevor]

I had a thought today.  Why would the government not release stuff about astral projection? Its kind of weird that astral projection is not something bigger.  I understand you only have a hand full of people that really care about it.  But why take drugs off the market to not help us ap?  Why make it illegal to try and have retreats where people like us can do what we want if that is meditating and taking different types of herbs that help us?  Why is the government in our business about things like astral projection??? 

[ForrestDean]

Because that is what we chose to create.  That is the type of system WE have formed.  Our institutions, such as our governernments, corporations, religions, etc. were formed out of the necessity to meet the demands of society.  Whatever our governments do or any institution does, do so because we as a collective society demanded they do it, whether we agree with what they do or not.  I could go on and on about why "They" conspire against society, but it would be completely irrelevant, because "They" are not the "problem".

[Stookie_]

Are you trying to hint that there is a government conspiracy to stop people from AP'ing? There is nothing stopping anyone from doing it outside of themselves.

[Lionheart]

 Life in general is what stops people from Astral Projection. they are so wrapped up with their daily duties, electronic gizmo's and the constant bombardment of brainwashing that comes from TV and Radio that they don't have time to contemplate anything else. Science in general sees AP as a "taboo" topic, due to the fact that they know they can't prove anything physical. It's hard to get grants and backers when you can't provide anything concrete.
I speak to people all the time about Meditation and AP. I always hear the same excuse, "I don't have the time to do that". When I hear that I stop the conversation. People come to this practice when they are ready for it. They are successful when they are committed to it.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
A quick history lesson.
The suffrajets.
The end.

[95trevor]

I'm not saying there is any kind of conspiracy but why do they have to do things to make it harder.??

[desert-rat]

On drugs , it is my belief that key people in gov. are making money on the drug trade . If they stay illegal the price stays  up  and they make more money . Personaly I dont think drugs are much good for you any way .  I dont think any experence under the influnce of drugs could be trusted . The gov. did have some remote viewing programs .  If you watch the movie "the men who  stair at goats " its a kind of a funny look at remote viewing . Maby the NSA or CIA have some astral spies .  desert rat

[Stookie_]

I'm not saying there is any kind of conspiracy but why do they have to do things to make it harder.??

If anything, it's much more open and public now than it's ever been. It's been very secretive for ages and we're moving past that. There is loads of free information out there, everything a person needs to get going.

If the issue is with drugs, I would say that has to do with the drug war and drug policies, not them wanting to keep you from AP'ing. Though drugs are not the way to go to learn AP anyways. You won't gain any skills, just have a crazy uncontrolled hallucinogenic experiences. It's not the same thing.

[Kirkland]

If the issue is with drugs, I would say that has to do with the drug war and drug policies, not them wanting to keep you from AP'ing. Though drugs are not the way to go to learn AP anyways. You won't gain any skills, just have a crazy uncontrolled hallucinogenic experiences. It's not the same thing.

It is more to do with the drug war and the fact that it is a multibillion dollar business which employs hundreds of thousands directly and indirectly be jails or major police operations trying to stop the drug trade even if the results as of current are debatable.

As for why the government does not release stuff about ap why should they? Why should they even take the time to research it you don't want the government to be in your business in regards to ap yet you want them to publish papers on it? There is no cover up/suppression of ap material otherwise we wouldn't have this forum and the thousands of books on it. To be honest I am guessing than 99% of those working in government have other things to worry about and/or don't believe in ap.

[Magic_Love]

People will just do it when they are ready for it.

I have a friend with full time job, 3 kids, a husband and a house and she meditates, yoga and all those things.
Time is not a question it is all about the will and want.

I never had interest in these things, I am still surprised I am doing it haha, but one day I just decided to follow my heart and it has taken me places and changes my "opinions" about so many things.

So it is all up to ourselves.

But yeahhh governments, religions, cooporations etc are corrupt and they only still exist because WE let them be there.
So yet again... up to us.

[Mr.Flip]

Life in general is what stops people from Astral Projection. they are so wrapped up with their daily duties, electronic gizmo's and the constant bombardment of brainwashing that comes from TV and Radio that they don't have time to contemplate anything else. Science in general sees AP as a "taboo" topic, due to the fact that they know they can't prove anything physical. It's hard to get grants and backers when you can't provide anything concrete.
I speak to people all the time about Meditation and AP. I always hear the same excuse, "I don't have the time to do that". When I hear that I stop the conversation. People come to this practice when they are ready for it. They are successful when they are committed to it.

The government in a whole is too ignorant to know anything about AP! individual departments and politicians may know a thing or too but the Real reason why they wouldnt release any papers, word, doc, etc.
is because gov. is a structured System with rules that abide by the PHYSICAL world
AP is an experience or state which is virtually always the META-PHYSICAL world

imagine your a congressman or a presidential candidate running for office again, and then at a campaign speech you start talking about your AP exp's and how you were fully conscious when you traveled to a different galaxy and there you met the wise-one who told you about inner tranquility, and understanding..........everyone would be like WTF!?
that doesn't look good on the Ballot ha

not only that then the democrats(as radical as they are) will start to throw out issues like astral projector rights and non-astral projector rights, they might even go as far to say we have to have govern. regulations on certain foods and drugs which are proven scientifically to cause AP for the people who do not want to astral project

and about the drugs its great they aren't illegal why??

TAX FREE!!!!!!!

on the other hand they intend to bother us and watch us when we are assembled in large groups because cops know someone there is doing something bad or has intentions of such, whether it be doing drugs or loading firearms, EVERYONE is different, they will especially be able to do surveillance if it is on PUBLIC PROPERTY, Private Varies

But what about small groups??
unfortunately in the drug culture the law has become more strict on drug violations since they have realized for them its just another revenue for lots of money since their govern. has become broke due to their own policies. bastards..

lionhaert has a point to also which the govern. doesnt really mention it
people are to busy with their lives and if you really want to get into it really does have to become apart of your life.

ive been researching ever since i was 15 i'm 19 now and i still  havent projected, but out of the research ive done it all makes perfect and logical sense and i believe. i believed before my father told me his experience, and when he did so my faith grew..i get excited when i meet that one person in the hood who has seen the otherside and both our eyes light up in joy while all the others look in confusion..
astral projecting is actually very common and i do truely believe it is a gift of god embedded in all of us.. just open your mind

p.s. i know for a fact lots of these drugs do not help with AP especially WEED just ask bedeekin

[desert-rat]

There is a post on this forum , it was on going to area 51 to see what is there .  Some one stated that there are astral guards protecting the place .  In a book by Robert Monroe he found him self in Hyannis Port MA by mistake and found some astral guards protecting J.F.K. ( early 60s )  The gov. may know some on a.p.  desert rat

[NoY]

i have met with both the American government and the UK mi5

they both have highly skilled active metaphysics departments, even the Nazi's did
why would they not?

:NoY:

[ForrestDean]

There is a post on this forum , it was on going to area 51 to see what is there .  Some one stated that there are astral guards protecting the place .  In a book by Robert Monroe he found him self in Hyannis Port MA by mistake and found some astral guards protecting J.F.K. ( early 60s )  The gov. may know some on a.p.  desert rat

Yeah I remember that post.  It might be helpful to keep in mind that there is no area to go to because there is no such thing as space or distance.  There is only our belief and perception of distance considering our physical experience within a dense, linear type of reality.  We are already everywhere at once.  Therefore, we are already in area 51 at this moment.  It's just that our awareness is currently focused within our waking conscious mind that is limited by the 5 physical senses.  When we free our awareness from the physical through projections of Consciousness such as LDs, APs, and OBEs we are free to shift our awareness within Consciousness limited only by our comprehension, imagination, and beliefs.  Most projections also include the perception of traveling, like leaving the body and walking around during an OBE or flying around in a LD.  Again these are just perceptions based on our physical experiences within this current physical reality, but there is no traveling.  We are just shifting our awareness.

I'm more inclined to believe that the guards are nothing more than one's belief that there are guards.  In other words it's really yourself that is blocking you from going in.  Even if there really are guards "there" (again there is no there, just our perception of it) the only thing they could do is use your own fears and beliefs against you, therefore leading you to believe they are blocking you from "entering", but they cannot block you because you are already in the area they are guarding.  You just have to shift your current awareness within Consciousness.  And that's really all you're doing, shifting awareness.  So regardless of whether there are guards there or not, the only one from blocking your access to that information is you.

Also keep in mind, if there really are astral guards there guarding secret information then they are operating within a realm of fear and therefore do not fully realize the true nature of Universe.  When there is no fear there is nothing to guard.

I'd also like to point out that those who are experienced at exploring Consciousness will most likely have no interest in secret underground government operations or cover-ups anyway.  There are way more grander and exciting things to explore within Consciousness.