Hahaha nice!
Finally... its solved.
-Aries
wow, i dident know the mayans did drugs[8D]
but that does not solve the question, its only a theroy.
(but it was a fun 1 he he)
... offensive
So true. Art talked about it on C2C A.M. It makes perfect logical sense.
I Like it! [^]
Mystical knowledge? Predictions of future catastrophies given by aliens?
Nah, just humans being human. Nothing wrong with looking at a situation like this and applying good old fashioned common sense, a simple explanation....and good bit of weed![8D]
James.
... Degrading cultures are we now?
To bad that wouldn't explain why all such calendars end on the same day in what would be our 2012, and not just 1 calendar. Not that I think they're going to be any demonic war or really anything like that in 2012, but it's part of a bigger cosmic cycle that the Mayans kept track of, just as we keep track of the Earth's rotation around the Sun. What I would like to know is where the demonic war idea originated.
Prophecies, Dreams, Astral Library, Past lives. There so many different things that I could list.
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... Degrading cultures are we now?
Hardly. While I appreciate you being the spokesperson for the Mayan culture, I can assure you that this was meant as a light-hearted piece of humor designed to make some of you THINK about things.
I was just tired of seeing all the arguing regarding this war in 2012, all of it based on a calendar which mysteriously ends that year. So I thought how funny it may be to find out one of these days that the calendar was simply stopped for some trivial reason and not some deep, spiritual one.
Sheesh, I can't believe I actually had to explain that to you.
Degrading cultures? pardon me while i burst but I recall mayans as performing blood rituals, horrible violent sacrifices
anyhow its not the demons who are coming its the annunaki from n'biru who will come to steal our gold and copper collect your pennies!
any real conspiracy professor will know that the "demons" are just a fear mechanism constructed by the illuminati! thr truth is planet X will come back,
Actually, Demons have been in cultures for so long who knows where they originated. I go by the Japanesse demon or youkai. It was said that they were originally came to be from all the suffering that came about from the war at the time and then dissaperead after the fighting was over. So if that was true, we would see a whole bunch of demons around, what with all the war and famine and what not.
Jeff, that was funny. The moment I saw your topic I knew it was going to be great.
You guys are all wrong. On December 23rd, 2012, the easter bunny will be resurrected and will start a war with the human race.
Now you might think, Oh, it's just a rabbit, it can't hurt anyone.
But you couldn't be more wrong.
"He'll bite your head clean off! It's a vicious rabbit with large, sharp, pointy teeth!"
Ok things are geting out of controll here. Do not pick on people because they believe in something that you do not. Respect each other.
Count to three and thrust the holy handgrenade towards the evil Easter bunny.
Not 2... not 4... 5 is certainly out of the question.
umm but yeah jeff i was thinkin the very same thing, well maybe not the joint and girlfriend part... but that the ending of the calender could just have been when they got fed up with making a calender, i mean they would had to have stopped one day.
Nostradamus also predicted a "demonic war" around the same time.... and people can look at him as a prophet.. or somebody who was in on planning all these major events he "predicted" with a secret society, and his book of prophecies is nothing more then a guide line or instructional book that only the very top of these secret societies know how to translate properly....
ok i gotta stop talkin now..
-Syke
Good one, Jeff! Like, whatever happened with "living in the moment" and making the best of it that you can, without worrying about the future. Masters don't worry.
Like: there were relatives who shared a family secret for cooking pot roast; it had been handed down for centuries. The stories about how to prepare the roast were whispered amongst the younger family cooks, and it was said to be a curious, mysterious thing, but if you cut off the end of the roast, the meat would turn out absolutely heavenly. One day at a special pot roast dinner, a child reverently asked the ancient grandmother who sat at the table, near death, why the roast had to be cut off. Finally, the big recipe secret would be revealed. The grandmother laughed, and in a croaky voice, said, "Oh, my dears, that's easy ... the first time your great grandmother made the roast, her pot was too small, and she had to cut the end off!"
[:)]
O.k. good point Van. We would still see demons around. Now iff you think hard about it we still do. The Jersey Devil, Chupacbra, and Mothman. These are just the demons strong enough to resist the astral pole shift and remain in demon form. Which is why we see hardly any demons. That and the last time this kinda thing happened was back in 2000 B.C.
Also I see now that it was humor I was really tired when I read it my sleep schedule is out of wak now that I'm going back to school after holidays(School Sucks).
Maybe you are stereo typing mayans to much. Also many cultures did sacrifices back then. It was common because of thier beliefs in vengful or evil gods.
Stuuuupid but funny sorta
Good point.. there are these creatures that exist today, but we really dont know much about them.
-Aries
Yes, they are rumored to exist. I have seen something weird in my woods too, but I don't know if it is a Mothman or not. I do find the Mothman legend to be very freaky since so many people have seen this creature and all have described it similirly. Now to whether these things are actually demons or not, I don't know and I don't think anyone else would either.
I think I should post a little more info on youkai. I think that it was a break in the astral that allowed these creature to exist. It takes a massive amount of energy to take something astral and make it physical as many have tried and beavus has told us that he changed words in a book with that energy. Well emotions are a powerful energy and with all the negetive emotions around that time it upset the balance and caused these creatures to exist. When the war was over these creatures might not have had any energy left to sustain a physical form and were slung back into the astral. I don't know if this could happen or even if it did happen, but it does sound alot like what some of the people that are talking about demon wars are going on about. Creatures from another demenstion coming to this one becuase of an influx of energy, it does seem plossible, but not likely.
Well since ww2 the Earths natural Leylines have been energized so that could be one explanation as to why more of these "Demons" are being sighted.
What kind of strange things did you see van stolin?
-Aries
Sure its a light hearted piece, that I can see, but..
You DO realise that the Mayans didn't actually develop the calander? [:D]
They were given it.
Two questions for Ramiel:
1: Who gave it to them?
2: How do you know?
thanks
-Aries
Aries, what I saw was a long time ago and I am not even sure I remember right what I had seen. I think I was 11, I was on the deck that surrounds the pool and looking over the fence into the woods. I was just looking out in a blank stare and then I saw the some of the smaller trees move, but I couldn't see anything. Then I could have sworn I saw the air sort of distort and then something run off into the woods. Needless to say me being young and having watched a scary movie a little bit ago I ran inside and locked myself in my room.
I would also like to know who gave them this calander and how you know.
Good point Van. I still believe they are demons. The Energy I dea seems like a good Idea too. Think about it. I live in America. Wheeeeew all kinds of energy stirring. 9/11. The war against Iraq. We actually finding Saddam Husiane. But think about it many of the demons i listed have been around for a long time. So it isn't a genetic experiment gone wrong. Possibly each of them is an AlIEn lol. Anyway I also believe there is to much evidence for it just to be a myth.
I have a seen some strange things in the Booneys in Alaska..
One time I was near my Grandmas house in AnchorPoint. This little butt town that doesnt even have a sherrif, population probly like 150....
Anyways I was out in the woods and I smelt this wierd butt smell, and I kinda followed it. Anyways I finally came to this mound, on it was what was left of a animal. Possibly a skunk... im not sure, anyways, there was no bones, and its fur was shredded and thrown all over this little mound. I just remember seeing alittle bit of the carcas, and some fur, and smelling a very very wierd smell.
Iv also seen strange things in the woods when it was dark, but I am not sure what.
I think that since the last WorldWars the Earths LeyLines have been re-energized so this is attracting more Aliens and Demons, and things of that nature.
It was documented that bodies of dead soldiers would even get up and start attacking every living thing near them. Do some research about Hitler and his obsession with the Occult. You will find some pretty strange things, like all of his bases were built on strong Nexus's, and his SS was all over the world collecting Occult artifacts.
-Aries
i'm interested, clow, in how you define "demon" when you are able to include el chupacabra in there.
mothman --> arthur. SPOOOOOON!!!! [:D]
~kakkarot
Does El Chupacabra even exist?
I am not sure what it even is?? Isnt it some sort of Cow demon or some thing?? Hmm guess I will have to look it up some.
-Aries
Ok well, after researching the Chupacabra I have decided it is real. There is reports of 4 of them being captured in Peurto Rico or Mexico (cant remember) and the CIA coming and taking them away.
Although I can find no convincing pics of them, there is enough sightings, along with the CIA thing I mentioned above, to make me a believer that the little bas***d exists. Or did.
That or it is a unfortunite Vampire who lost his teeth and has afew straws in his pocket.
-Aries
You know, I know everyone is entitled to their own beliefs but the constant harping on about various 'doomsday' scenarios really gets on my t**s, mainly because thats all Ive heard for the past 10 years+!!
First it was Nostradamus and July 1999, which everyone had 'good' evidence, whats more it was even 'backed up' from other non-related 'traditions',
then we had the millenium crap, even when it turned out that due to a re-arangement of the calender, the millenium had already passed sometime around 1996 our time!
I was hoping for some sanity after 2000 and a hope... just a single glimmer of hope, that maybe, just maybe, once people had went through all that without any of it happening, then they LEARN not to be obsessed with all these kinds of 'revelations'.
But no, now its '2012' and we have to endure another 8 years of this stuff. In the past i would have said that i was looking forward to 2013 when (of course) nothing will have happened, but I now know that by that time, excuses will have been given and attention will have been transfered to some all new great prophesy. Add to that a whole new generation eager for their own 'doomsday' prophesy to call their very own, (which is what this mayan one is actually), and the rest of us basically have no respite.
btw, I would just ask that some of you who are into this 2012 stuff might want to check out some of the fact (proper facts!) about this as I have read in some academic journals that this whole thing has come about through a complete mistranslation and distortion of the original texts which in reality mean nothing of the sort.
Hoevever, now that the story is out there, it has taken on a life of its own, promoted by money grabbing new age writers and credulous readers.
I am in no way saying that this is the case IMV, so dont hit me with complaints about this opinion. I don't know either way. I just want to point out to people that there is actually a controvesy about this whole issue and people who are interested might want to check out the facts and not just rely on 'mayan prophesy websites' or whatever.
Above all, I would just like to invite all readers to remember this post in 9 years time when they wake up on the 1st January 2013 and find that they have NOT been elevated to a higher vibrationary level or whatever the theory is.
Thank you.
Goodnight.
Douglas
I agree with Gandalf
Even if a demon came to me in a dream and said "the darkness shall come and devour your soul in a great war" I wouldn't take it literally at all.
Many things in dreams, astral, and historical documents that deal with the future use a lot of symbols and metaphors, mostly because a person 2000 yrs ago wouldn't know how to interpret our modern world if he saw it.
Look at Nostradamus, if I remember correctly, when he predicted WW2 he described Hitler as great and terrible Monster, yep a monster, but he was only a man. He also said fire and stuff would reign down from the sky (plane bombs not demon hell fire).
Personally, im not worried about the future, if bad things happen, then so be it.
I agree that you shouldnt be worried. But really, what facts about this are there? Really there isnt any, anyone could say that any or all of these "facts" are untrue.
Once again I say let believe what ever they want.
Dont worry about the future, worry about now. Dont worry about Demons or raising to higher frequency. Worry about the child rapists, or about your next door neighbor and his meth lab distributing it to children. Worry about humanity, because its going down the drain... We need to come togather as a whole, and stop all the bullsh*t about Wars, personal gain, poverty... we need to learn how to help eatchother befor we learn anything else.
My two cents.
-Aries
I Don't think that 2012 will be a dooms day scenario.
You're right Aries, we need to live in the now and stop worrying about what may or may not happen.
I do find it very fascinating that the mayan calendar, the giza heiroglyphs and the I-ching all point to this date. I have also heard that psychics have not been able to predict past that point in time (maybe any psychics reading this could put in thier two cents too),
but, as Jeff has so humorously pointed out, there are explanations for this other than the end of the world..
However, some of the conspiracy theorists amongst y'all may be interested in this link.
http://www.freezone.de/english/mc/e_conv04.htm
Its a bit of a long winded interview, with some far fetched material, but its another view of 2012 and other interesting subjects.
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wow, i dident know the mayans did drugs
Lots and lots and lots of mushrooms. Yummy!
Human sacrifice? Yeah I think in the later stages when their civilisation was dieing - but I could be wrong, it might have been throughout. They had some *very* different ideas from us.
Aztecs were big into that stuff, but many of the other cultures hated the idea. Probably had something to do with the aztecs using their enemies as the sacrifces......
zz
Hmm, why did Hitler come to mind when I read that?...
I think if you really wanna help the world then continue training, but train your mind... study to be a doctor, help others there are many more things you could be spending your time on.
But if you do wanna take a physical way to help, then become a vigilante... or if you don't have anything against the "man" then become a cop.
There's more to be said, but I'm too tired to say it.
-Syke
I agree all the things pointing till 2012 is very intresting, as I have also heard that projectors cant see past 2012...
But untill that time comes we will just have to wait and see.
Even when it does come I doubt it will be a over night type of situation...
*Clock strikes 12, crowd cheers. Then a huge portal opens up and all 9 layers of hell flop out.. thats right, flop.*
Heh.. not likely but who knows.
-Aries
Lol that was great aries . Anyway Chupacabra as far as I know hasnt hurt any human yet it just Eats the livestock and stuff. Really doe anyone have a better explanation. Also you guys keep saying the same thing about how this has happened so many times. Y2K and crap like that. I have given many different reasons this can be true. But you just give me that.
Wee... Look`it me... im back!!!
Heh.. Hey guys. I've been out of the loop for a while, but ow im back. i've had a REALLY kruddy holiday season [ that i'll speak about to anyone that cares... pm me, or something]. Anywho.. about this discussion... i remember reading up and hearing on the discovery channel, that the Mayan calander was set up for different cycles and stages for the planets alignment and energy levels. The calender ending on december 23, 2012, was to signify the end of this cycle that the earth is in [ of these cycles i think i remember it saying something about there being 4 or 5 cycles... i think 5 is right, because of the planet and the elements. the water element would go along with the great flood, and other earquake, meteorite hits, and other things] and this phase that we're going into next is that of a combination of the elements, and to those that study elemental magics with a higher understanding of energies, when you combine the powers of the 4 main used/primary elements in sync with eachother you develop the pure energy archtype, that is beyond elemental defintion, but can be broken back down into the seperate components... well think of that on a planetary/universal scale... that shift is what a lot of people talk about with the higher vibrational states and things, and goes along quite well with kakkarot's dream he shared with me/us in the astral pulse a couple months back. Think that seems like a suitible time for those visions you had, to take place?
Well nomatter what the issue, everyone is entitled to thier own oppinion on things, but as a word of the wise for anyone who cares to listen, training yourself wether it be mental, physical, or metaphsical in nature, is always a good thing... just make sure that along the way, you pick up some good 'tricks' or 'hints' on survival and defence nomatter what be the case... it'll come in handy on those random black out phases, that could happen again, like it did in New York a couple months ago.
And on the issue of demons.... well.. Nomatter what anyone sais, i believe demons/angels/ other outer worldly creatures to exist, from personal experiences, so when the time comes, i'll be atleast slightly prepared for whatever it is that 'May or may not happen.'
[ to comment the issue of there always being another doomsday thing happening.... the 2012 thing is the only thing left brought to my attention, after the Y2K bs and all... so if the 2012 thing does infact turn to be a cop-out, atleast i'll feel satisfied with myself knowing that i've reached a personal goal of achievement... Look out olympics... here i come!!!!]
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I had every intention of wanting to train to become as strong as i could, and develop any abilities i could along the way, in the first place, so hearing about a possible war that will include ACTUAL upfront interaction to deal with the 'enemy' or 'bad guys'.... I'm just useing that as a motivateing factor, to help encourage myself into training. I have a bit of procrastination built up over years that i need to work out of my system, so that i can let my true potential bloom, like i feel i was put back on earth to do. Well... atleast, i've always felt a drive and a yearning to let myself develop all of my attributes and knowledge to as much as i could retain, and from previous epiphonies, i've noticed that i do indeed possess a lot more potential ability, to do what i want, than i've seen in a lot of other people, so why not just go for it, and try to make something of myself anyways, and apply what i'll learn to be able to do, in my normal life; so that if something DOES end up happening, atleast i CAN be ready for it, and not get 'wasted' in the first few days of it all.
I'm not sure if there is a war comeing, but i DO know.... Feel, that something is on its way, and i would like to be what i've wanted to be, before my time is up, just in case. I'm not letting it run my life.. but i am being cautious none-the-less of what i feel. Can you blame me for listening to my gut instinct?
I want to see a Chupacabra.. after I read all that stuff of it I thought there may be one trying to get my dog in my back yard cause he always acts strange about my back yard, but come to find out he is chassing squrils...
-Aries
as
i'd never heard of a paralysing power of their eyes before. but i'm not "really well versed" on them either ^_^ . i do know that the chupacabra is native to south america (somewhere) so if you'd like to find one you could begin your search there :)
~kakkarot
OOOOOOOh. End of the world. Yeah, I'll sit on my front porch and watch, kay? People have been predicting this stuff for ages, what do you think the church was built on... and in some cases, still is. "Repent or perish" or something like that. I just know they always yelled at me when I asked questions. Oh, about the demons... You ever consider they might be like us? Considering the highly developed chi abilities they're supposed to have, I'd say they're older than humans. We've only been around what? Primates, 10 million years, humans 200,000 was it? Oh, and please don't be arrogant. If the apocolypse comes, is it not the war with our fellow humans we need to worry about?[|)]
Humans are bad but Demons are worse. Also Demons are actually probably just like us except stronger, older, and different. I havnt heard of a Chupacabra paralyzing ability. Though it would make scince he has never really been caught but there are so many witnesses. Well all we can really do at this point is wait. Also anybody been seeing alot of stuff in the corner of thier eyes latley.
Jeff mash, that didn't make sense. What does make sense is that the mayans may actually be correct.
They may not be exactly correct as in 2012, but its a damn good estimate.
The earths resonance is around was around 7.8 for thousands of years and stable at 7.8 up until 1980s when the resonance changed.
Through the 1990's the earths resonance changed, from 7.8 to around 12 HZ on 2000. July 2003 it was at 12.89
At around 13 HZ the earths core, has a good possibility of not rotating temporarily. This can cause the earth to lose its magnetic field, causing the death of everyone.
Someone hold me, im scared.
That's interesting, Acidmax120, where did you here that about the earth's resonance?[:D]And if we all die, why would you be frightened? It would be worse to be one of a handful of survivors on a desolate planet, wouldn't it? Anyway, so I get the 2012 apocolypse thing, where did the demons come into this? Also: in Europe, the nature spirits there were renamed "demons" by the church and called evil.[;)]
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That's interesting, Acidmax120, where did you here that about the earth's resonance?[:D]And if we all die, why would you be frightened? It would be worse to be one of a handful of survivors on a desolate planet, wouldn't it? Anyway, so I get the 2012 apocolypse thing, where did the demons come into this? Also: in Europe, the nature spirits there were renamed "demons" by the church and called evil.[;)]
Hmm demons? Sorry, I dont think demons are involved with 2012, or the end of the world.
In my opinion, I think the collective consciousness of everyone combined causes the end of the world/world problems and disasters.
We think something bad is going to happen and the more people that believe this, are adding to a massive force of belief that may make it so. But anyway its just my opinion.
So, you're kinda Jungian, huh. Jung believed that it was the collective unconcious of everyone that created the gods, etc., and that by putting our thoughts out into the universe, we could make things happen.[|)]
Happy Weekend, everyone. Last night on coast to coast AM, the guest said the war has already started -- between good and evil angels and fallen angels/demons.
He claims we are both pawns and the prize at the end of this war - whenever that is.
Not that this explains much.... I just thought it was interesting that, of all creatures, we end up being somebody's prize. Oh, goodie, something to really look forward to! [8D]
Hey, you should go to the following topic link, I posted on page 7 a really interesting webpage I found about the whole 2012 thing:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9931&whichpage=7
"Also anybody been seeing alot of stuff in the corner of thier eyes latley."
Err, yes, actually! Lots for the past few weeks.
"Through the 1990's the earths resonance changed, from 7.8 to around 12 HZ on 2000. July 2003 it was at 12.89"
I have also heard that it occasionally peaks at this but it still usually 7.8. Some interview I was listening to. Dunno who's right...
Rob
Those are some interesting links, FistOfFury. I suppose all we can do is wait and get on with our lives until the time comes, if it ever does.[;)] Jenadots, that's rather interesting as well. However, I'd much rather take part in the war than be a prize. Ah well, whose to say they were right anyways...
I am not one who believes in fate. I believe that people can see into the future. But this is only a possible future. Also if the Resonance of the Earth is changing what is changing it and why.
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I just thought it was interesting that, of all creatures, we end up being somebody's prize.
I am no ones prize. The entity that dares think I am shall bear the bleeding wounds which shall prove I am no ones prize.
Jessica
Keep thinking that. But while in the body you're in, you really dont stand much of a chance against even the lowest of the lowest entities. Maybe in your true form.
All I know is that I look forward to the day where our current society is destroyed and so I can start working on one that isnt excrement. Oh and of course the collective increase in conciousness and awareness will totally rock. Will finally have the majority of the population on the same wavelength! Yay.
Whats MY true form????
Your true form would be your astral/demon/spiritual form whatever you want to call it. Well said Ramiel. The human society as of now is to selfish. Basicly our race is amde up of 90% pricks. 10%Nice people.
most of the human race IS on the same "wavelength". it's just that some of us rise about that. perhaps you should focus more on yourselves and your own development rather than worrying about whether the rest of humanity will "catch up to you".
~kakkarot
"In my opinion, I think the collective consciousness of everyone combined causes the end of the world/world problems and disasters."
So does that mean that you saw Neon Genesis: Evangelion as well.
(I do so love anime it has answers for everything, course i never assumed it would predict the end of the world so accurately)
Mayan #1: Hey Paco, how's that calendar coming along?
Mayan #2: Dude, you have no idea. I've been working on this thing nonstop.
Mayan #1: Really? How long you been calculating that thing? More than a year?
Mayan #2: More than a year?! Try TEN YEARS!
Mayan #1: Holy sh*T! That's a long friggin' time to be working on a calendar man. How far have you gotten?
Mayan #2: Hmmm, let's see....I'm already in the year 2012.
Mayan #1: DUDE! 2012?!?! You're f**king crazy! We'll be long dead by then. Why the hell did you go so long? If it were me, I would've stopped after a couple hundred years.
Mayan #2: Well, after my chick broke up with me, I fell into a state of depression, and since I wanted to keep myself busy and not focus on her, I just decided to calculate the future calendar.
Mayan #1: Well dude, I'm just saying, 2012 is a long time from now. Hell, the world may not even be around that long! Tell you what. Let's just stop this stupid calendar nonsense for good and go smoke a joint.
Mayan #2: Yeah, I suppose your right. F*** this calendar nonsense. Someone else can just take over for me when 2012 rolls around, right?
Mayan #1: (lights up a joint) Um.....sure, man. Now take a hit.
And that, my friends, is what really happened.....and mankind has been debating about the eternal war between the heavens and the Earth ever since.