The Astral Pulse

Ughh... I feel like Neo from the Matrix. I'm not sure whether I believe this or not... Let's just say I'd have to see it for myself. I'm not saying there's no way it exists, but I would rather see it before I believe it. Aucom's Razor is a good way to start out when proving something. Well, at one point the earth was thought to be flat. Now it is thought to be round. What doesn't make sense to me is that if the earth was hollow, then how is it that astronauts saw it from space as round? And where does lava come from? And how come satellites didn't pick up those small holes on the North and South poles? That's it, I'm going to be a hermit and live in some shack in the deep uncharted wilderness of Canada.

hmm... there must be some seriously complicated quantum physics involved here if in fact this is true. All kinds of twists and mutilations to the time-space continuum fabric.

Also, to contribute to the theory, little is known about the shape of the Universe. It was thought to be spherical and infinite. It has also been thought to be finite with no boundaries (meaning when you pass through one side of the universe you come out on the opposite side and it repeats itself). It's like looking into a mirror that is facing another mirror. It looks infinite but that's merely an illusion created by the physical properties of light. It has also been thought of as a mobius strip, and also a piece of paper folded over itself. Anyway, at least it's an entertaining post.

Hey Ender,
1. Astronauts can't see it from space, because most of the time there are cloud coverage, but you think NASA wouldn't tell their astronauts not to say things..  And think of all of the little astronaut missions that kill the whole crew for itty bitty reasons!  I mean Apollo was a huge one, the crew was locked in their practice ship, where there happened to be a fire.
2.  Lava does come from the center of the earth, the solid part anyways, rather than a huge ball of it (wich to me makes no sense) There are pools of it underground, that constantly recycle themselves.  
3.  There are tons of satelite photos that pop up showing the holes in the caps.  Allthough I dont feel like searching for one now... I will... :goes to search:
http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.v-j-enterprises.com%2Fjanpicts.html
There we go.

This map implies that Inner Earth has a sky, which is more than outer earth has. And also a sun. What are your thoughts on this?

What sort of inhabitants dwell there? Are they friend or foe?

This map is whacked. I don't know how this could make sense. They had a futurama where they mined a planet too much and the planet became hollow and collapsed in on itself. This would seem to be the case if this happened to the earth. If one were to keep digging, they say that about five miles down they would be incinerated from such tremendous heat. Didn't they also prove that the inner core of the earth was iron? It is possible that if civilizations do exist, they could be from the Marina Trench. That depth of the ocean has never been reached by anything man-made. The pressure is so great there though, so we'll never meet those beings because if we went down there we'd explode, and if they came up here they'd implode, because of such differences in pressure.

This is an interesting theory, but is definitely really far-fetched. There is a possibility it does exist- maybe that's where I can run if they reinstate the draft hehe. I'll need an all-terrain vehicle to get down there though, one with a drill on the front of it and also is able to turn into a submarine and is able to climb up walls and on the ceiling of a cave. Some heavy-duty engineering involved. hmm... *contemplates building such a vehicle*

Hmm... I hope you didn't direct link to those images. People don't like their bandwith being stolen.

Anyways, yes, I've looked into the subject before. What I tend to do though, is this: I'll look into something that seems interesting, then look for countering points.

The one with the big hole, I've seen before (well, I've seen all of them) and a site explained it as the satellite images were missing parts, or something. It was a while ago, so I don't quite remember, but it did have an explanation, and, not having my own, personal satellite, I can't really prove or disprove it.

And, you're really blowing it for me. I don't really like conspiracy theories.

Also, uh, if there's a big hole, how did a submarine take the Northwest Passage? It lies under the ice. I don't remember the name of the submarine, or when, I just remember reading about it happening.

:( I'm really bad with details. [xx(]

I forgot one more fairly important/major point- Wouldn't a sun on the inside of the earth incinerate everything including the earth itself? The "sun" is only about a couple kilometers across, but still, it must be tremendously hot. No offense but I think a lot of fairly basic stuff throws this theory out the window. The more I think about it, the more things I can come up with to disprove it.

Weeeeeell, its certainly an interesting proposition....

"This would seem to be the case if this happened to the earth. If one were to keep digging, they say that about five miles down they would be incinerated from such tremendous heat. Didn't they also prove that the inner core of the earth was iron?"
Hmm - the Russians managed 12km deep (deepest hole ever). I think that they did a audio recording of what sounds were down there, I heard it online once.....screaming.....fire....sounded like hell...Anyway! They did it to try and prove the continental crust theory, but unfortunately for PJ geologists, the earth they were bringing up was identical to that on the surface. Which kinda stumps tectonic plate theory (didn't stop em from teaching it to me in school like it was the bible though! Or darwinian evolution for that matter...even had to make up plain old lies to sustain that one)
Oh, some oil wells get to 6Km too.
Anyway I heard a lot of this on an interview a while back, would have been unknowncountry or coast to coast, not sure.
But another piece of evidence the bloke presented was that after Chenobyl, the radioactive dust and stuff stayed only in the northern hemisphere, because of the way the circulation cells work on our planet. None could, or did, drift over the equator. However, when investigating the ice on the antartic they discovered radioctive material dated to the same time. But none anywhere in the south hemisphere except the antartic....courious...

But myself, I last views were that there are probably massive caverns, whether man made or not, dunno, but big caverns and lots of tunnels. We know there is SOMETHING down there, eg Mels hole (and similar), the entrances in south america (some of which were dynamited, considered too "dangerous" - so a few people went in there and never came out, real Indiana Jones stories, but hey! this is important...grrr).

But, I really have no idea anymore. I need an antigravity craft....badly.

Hey enderwiggin - isn't cananda a bit cold? hehe I think you and me are thinking along similar lines. When the SHTF I am planning on bolting, quickly. Wanna join me?!
Oh, about the central sun, who's to say it is natural?

Rob

Sounds like fun. Nobody'd ever find us in a cavern. However, suppose the Other Side of the earth doesn't exist... then what?! I'd go nuts if I never saw the sun again. Maybe we could head out there before the SHTF then we can't get into any kind of legal trouble. Sell the house, keep the money in a bank account, let it earn interest, and when you come back out you'll be a rich man (or woman)! I think antigravity is definitely the way to go. I thought about screwing around with electromagnets- that's how they get those 'perpetual motion' toys to work. The electromagnet's strength would have to coincide with its placement on the earth's magnetic field in order to keep up the repellant. So we'd have to find a way to alter it. also, it's possible the electromagnet could rip the ship apart, lest we build it out of wood or something funky like that. Wood is good because it is so versatile. But it is flammable. Well, maybe we can cover it with something to stop it from catching on fire. Special plastic, maybe?

About the inner sun.  Its no tthe type of firey sun we think of, it's more of a plasma, and the atmosphere there is the same hieght as here, just inside.  [:P]  Well.  There is some evidence that it's not feasable, but more that it is.  But, it's all an assumption, either way.  No one has proven it, except the ones peopel call crazy.

Cool!
In one of my former lives, I was a hermit, and strongly suspect I lived in a cave. Might try and find it again at some point.
Yeah anti-gravity is definately the way forward! I am doing some research, sporadically, on that at the moment. Amonstgst other things.

"The electromagnet's strength would have to coincide with its placement on the earth's magnetic field in order to keep up the repellant. So we'd have to find a way to alter it."
Altering the earths magnetic field??? whoa, thats big!

"Special plastic, maybe?"
Well, the easiest way I am thinking of is just modifying a car - stripping out the engine, all other mess, so its just a frame, wheels, chassis and seats. Either that or something small, so you fly say a 2 person model with both lying down, facing forward, one person on a level above the other.

Sure would be useful to find an entrance into the central earth. Maybe if we ask Red Elk politely he will point us to a safe haven? He reckons all the huge caverns have their own little mock-suns, and some of the cities are just awesome....they've already sent a load of people in. I think I will either need Gods protection, which I am puting my hopes in (he's listening!!), and/or access to somewhere deeeeep and safe, cos some of the people I have annoyed in my cloud-busting work really don't like me anymore.
Aaahhh I dont think leaving money in banks is a good idea. They are going DOWN! I wonder if we will even have money in the next Age, suspect not.

This would be useful, you're in USA, you might want to think about taking a course:
http://www.trackerschool.com/
I would, but....English, long way...
BUT if I took the course, think, could just live in the Wilderness, no cares, moving where and when I want, aaaaahh, heaven!

Rob

"an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

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Cloud busting, eh? I thought about building a cloud-buster. Maybe even a field of them. If these guys were after me, they'd have to answer to a whole ****load of REALLY GOOD martial artists.

By the way, how do you know if they're watching you? What signs should we be looking for? We should hire some ninjas. Infiltrate and destroy...

Yeah, I'd definitely go somewhere real deep inside a cave when the SHTF. I could have all sorts of defenses set up down there too. I could make a base down there and start doing something worthwhile with my life- helping some people. ah, I am sooooo tired, so I'm probably sounding crazy. I think I'll stop now before I wind up in a mental hospital. Good-night.

"By the way, how do you know if they're watching you?"
Well! The black military helicopter (black hawk) which circled me about a month ago now, and the fact that my phone line is tapped, are pretty good indications! [:O]
Which sounds uber-paranoid, but I can hear them cutting in an out when I am on the phone, and the sound of the other person noticeably changes, its quite blatent. Like, my freind said it sounded like it does when he is talking to his mum and dad on phones, ie 3 phones going at once. The other day it was really screwy, I think their equiptment started playing up, started hearing loads of popping noises and weird stuff, until we had to just give up. Its really annoying! But I am beginning to think it is entirely automated.
- btw I am not the only person to report this, by a long shot. Most people who build cloud-busters get similar treatment. Many in the US get a copter visit within the first hour their CB is up and running. Some even get death threats, and proper attempts. Luckily God wants us alive!

"What signs should we be looking for? We should hire some ninjas. Infiltrate and destroy..."
tehehehee. They've got a thing for black helicopters.

"Cloud busting, eh? I thought about building a cloud-buster. Maybe even a field of them. If these guys were after me, they'd have to answer to a whole ****load of REALLY GOOD martial artists. "
LOL. Yeah man try it! Get rid of them dirty chemtrails. What martial art do you practise - oh yeah, King Fu, in your profile. I'm thinking of taking up aikido, whaddayathink?

Helping people? Deep in some cave? You thinking of starting a proper community? That could be nice. Breaking away from the sytem, as it were. I'm beginning to think somewhere in central Afrika would be safest. Or deep in the Brazilian rainforest, find one of those tribes miles from anyone, or an ancient city on a mountain top, or something.

laters
Rob

Some assumptions and wquestions...

1. Are you serious about living underground?  Nothing personal, really but you sound like those guys who wig out about everything they hear and think the worlds gonna end.  I mean yeah, lot's of stuff is happeneing now, and SmightHTF but to me that doesn't mean I need to run away, if it did happen I would stay here, your not going to help many people underground you know.  And by then I really don't think we will have to worry about the military.  Earth's beauty is up here, not in rocks.  I mean I might hide out if, say Nuclear-war broke out, or Bio agents, or meteoriods, but I wouldn't make myself secluded and be a hermit.

2. What Is a cloud buster.  In detail, maybe a link if you dont feel like typing.  And If it is one of those triangle floaters, SO MANY PEOPLE MAKE THEM.  If black helicopters and agents are watching you, that's pretty lame, but I can't say I don't beleive you, I mean I don't think anyone here lies for the most part.  Maybe you saw a helicopter and got a little paranoid, or your just hearing interfearance on the phone, I know all the time when I call my freind, we allways get other peoples conversations in on our, or hear clicking and whispering and wirring and buzzing on the other end.  But that's just interfierance.  I mean I do know all about, a big percentage of their coverups and stuff, but they aren't watching me, maybe just the thought that you made this machine is putting these in your head.  Hoopa! I'm rambling again!

3. What do you think "SHTF" really is?  Natural like that Comet NEAT, Thermo-Nuclear war? Biological war?  A mix?  Looks like all of em are being shaken up now.

Shawn - I'll answer the question about a cloud-buster first. Have you heard of chemtrails? I'll assume you have, if not do some research there first - they are real, and they are costing the black government an incredibly large amount of money. The scale of this operation is vast, huge, mindboggling. Our cloudbusters should really be called a chembuster, because it is not really like the original cloud-buster built by Wilhelm Reich. Well, it disperses chemtrails, breaks them up, removes them. Chemtrails are not just about chemicals either - check out www.carnicom.com, they have a real witches brew in there, stuff like red blood cells, which is just bizarre. We know they put down a thick layer of negative energy over the land, cause upper repiratory problems, lower the immune systems capablity, and they probably increase the effectiveness of HAARP (another thing chembusters work against) and related technology (which we also bust, directly), and they have been speculated to contain DNA suppressing agents to stop the changes which are taking us into the next age (so trying not to say new age!)
We know that CB's disperse chemtrails - this can be seen visually. Eg many people see a real hole in the chem soup about them as soon as theirs gets operational. I went down the coast to eastbourne a while back, and the chem was really thick there. I came home - none. It just doesn't stick like it used to.
The weather around here got really windy a while back, and my CB was blown over a couple of times, the base is mostly buried now. That week I was coming home friday afternoon (only have half days friday), and notices chemtrails, thick, all over the sky - I noticed this as being really unusual, and suspected the cause. I got home, and sure enough, my CB was lying on its side. Uprighted it, dug it in, few hours later and the chem was almost completely gone. That sunday, I was visited by the helicopter, and very soon afterwards the phone tapping began - no clicks, changes in sound, anything like that before this event.
But still, it does sound lame doesn't it? However, when almost everyone who builds these things - and all the people who do it seriously - report exactly the same things happening to them (and like I said, sometimes much much worst), then you get to a point when you cannot deny the logic, the evidence of your own senses, and the corroborating experience of other people. The logic I refer to is that these things don't cost much for me, but cost the power elite types immense sums, and seriously impede their agenda.
More info on chembusters, holy hand grenades, etc at:
http://www.metatech.org/cloudbuster_&_orgone_generator.html
However, that site is currently down, there has been talk it has been hacked.
the forums where we discuss all this at:
forums.cloud-busters.com
(but I warn you! They are a mixed bunch....there is a lot of paranoia there, which is kinda understandable, considering the forums have been under almost continuous hacker attacks for ooh, must be getting on for 1 month now, and there are always agents checking it out, trying to divide, spread misinformation, etc etc....no, I'm not joking - I have witnessed all this! Insidious types....)
Essentially, I would have to call myself insane if I refused to see what is going on. I mean, hehe, I would already classify myself as a little loony, but not in a "if I close my eyes it will go away!!! Fingers in ears I can't hear you blah blah!!!" type way that seems to stereotype most people these days. Was it always like this I wonder?
However, on how CB's work, this is a big ongoing debate. The base is an energy converter - it changes negative to positive energy. So the negative (dor - dead orgone) is drawn down the pipes and converted to positive (or/orgone). It seems that the effect of this is much bigger than you might guess. I won't go into it now, it would take far too long! But essentially, in removing the dor they also remove the cause/caused of this type of energy, like the positively charge chemicals (aluminium and barium - a poison, negative charged ions being beneficial for health, mainstream just discovering this...finally), the immuno-suppressants, and biological nasties, etc etc.
Its quite a complex subject..

But enough of that!

About the world "ending", well everything points to the coming of the age of Aquarius. Everything! - social, political, economic, viral, geological, atmospheric, super-geological (heh, I mean, solar system changes), ummm....prophetic (which even I have a little experience with)....views of extraterrestrials from contactees.......err...sure there is more, can't think of right now. If you want me to go further in each of these points, let me know. There really is a lot of data to back it up, and as you can see, I'm not *just* an armchair muse! The form which it will take is what is really interesting though. Lots of guessing going on about that...
When it all goes crazy, well I'm going to rely on God to give me direction on where to go, but failing that...hehe....RUN!!!!! I have been feeling more of a calling to get out somewhere a long way from anywhere, increasingly (underground would certainly qualify..). But, on the other side of the coin, yeah my heart says staying would be the most humane thing to do, so I can help other people. Ultimately, if God wants you alive, you will stay that way. I have heard there were people who survived in japan, who were right underneath the atomic bomb when it hit. They were praying at the time. Other people have told me stories of bullets bouncing off them, surviving mad car crashes, and they have no reason to lie (all CB operators, hence why they aren't just killing us...)

3. Lots of things. Plague. Economic collapse. Massive terrorist attacks all over the 1st world (they are already in our cities, waiting, with nukes, chem & bio warfire, etc). The US overtly become the 4rd Reich, after martial law is installed - due to "terrorist" activity (of course, the US govt is preparing for this already...). Aaahhh yeah the comet NEAT thing is interesting, its certainly being covered up, I don't know why or what its significance is. Oh yeah, you'll see the more exotic weapons being unleashed - scaler EM weapons aka Tesla weapons, mind control on a mass scale. The person who calls himself Maitreya (but isn't) will probably make a big appearance first. What we will see in the next few years though, IMO, while being horrible, is only the presursor. It will seem to calm down, with a one world government, with the "Maitreya" at the top of much of it, but he'll last only 7 years and then...BOOM!!!
But I could be massively wrong, thats just the way I currently see it.

I think thats enough typing for now!

laters
Rob

heh now you either think I am insane, lying, or am on to something. Which one you going for???

I have never heard of "chemtrails" (aka contrails) before so I did some research.  For others who have never heard of it before, it's the same given to the trails in the sky that form when a jet flys by.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what I found is that there are alot of people who think that many of the trails are actually chemicals or poisons being sprayed on civilians by military jets?  In defense, some people build these tower-like objects ("cloud-busters") that supposedly take the chemicals out of the air?

I don't know, this is all very new to me... what makes you think that the trails are poison?  I mean, none of the sites I went to had any proof at all.  All they did was show a picture of a trail (like a jet had just passed by) and then proceeded to say how it's poison.  Maybe I'm missing something, but it all seems pretty unreasonable to me.

Sorry for getting Off Topic Shawn.

Ethan

Does a CB have to be built outside? How big are they? Can I make miniatures? Seeing as how you have the info and the sites are all getting hacked, can you give me directions? Just PM me. I'm going to build one just to tinkle off these evil covert agents. And if I get a death threat... Great! I'll just tell my martial arts teacher and he'll have people tracking them down.

The demon-armies are at work here with their subtle forces. They are already beginning to move. They use the corporations to control our desires, the media to control our fear and our minds, and the government to control our ability to counter them. And I'm not just talking the US. I know how they are operating but I am not sure how to counter them. I can only protect myself from them. They can't touch me because I won't give in to them, and I am watching them. This is not the end of the world. It's just the end of one age and the beginning of another. This is where we will start to evolve.

So that's where all our tax dollars are going, is it? The chemtrail projects? Well, I want my money back. No more tax dollars for them. Can I become a human cloud-buster? I think orgone energy and qi energy are the same energy. Qi is in everything. I want to use it to break up chemtrails  wherever I go. I'm going to try to become a living cloud-buster if I can find a way. Then I will teach others how to do it as well. Let's see them destroy a cloud-buster that knows martial arts.

Ender,
You have a good heart, but your a little eratic anf ahead of yourself.  Sending a group of martial artists to attack the USA gov.  Hmmmm sound like a good idea to me! NOT! lol... no offence.  
But I definitely think you are onto something.  This all coorilates in witht he "apacolypse" in the bible.  ie the bugs that will infest the world, meaning the biological agents, and all the other evidence you posted, I was thinking that ewas the case for the longest time.  I think that Something will happen. BUt you were very precise, could you please post a link about...
1. All about chemtrails, and the cover up.
2. Your source for this Maitreya info
3. The age of Aquarius. Like the song? [:D]

This also coorilates with the 2012 theory, and a very unknown, underpublicized thoery about the Aghartians.  That within 10-20 years they will rise up out of the mountains and tunnelsand  show us their wonders.  But.  Im really interested, Maybe you can PM me you screen name.  I have been reading more than you thing for a long time, just not on this specifically.  We can share.  Thanks.

Rock on Enderwiggin!!!!!!!! Go dude...

ahem...

About chemtrails - this seems to be a good page about them, I haven't read it all.
http://rense.com/general30/deby.htm
It quickly explains the difference between chemtrails and contrails - if you didn't know what to look for, you probably wouldn't notice (really, how often do you look up at the clouds and consider them in detail?). However, once you have found out the diffrerence it is easily apparent and really quite blatent. So many times I have seen what starts out as a nice blue day been turned to a complete haze of dirty white chem, in only a few hours. On some days, it (used, hehe) to be possible to see a number of different trails at different ages - the ones just put down would still be quite thin, then the next ones would be more spread out, and later you see how they form a long cloud of their own. One thing about the above site though - I have never heard that they can produce rain (he says sometimes they do), I don't know where he got that from. Actually they seem to universally do the opposite, when it does rain this usually clears and cleans the atmosphere. Also, you get some really weird effects, clouds which are very pretty but look distinctly wrong.
A number of people have done proper chemical analysis on chemtrails - carnicom.com is one. Seems like a pretty straight guy.
http://www.willthomas.net/ - this bloke was on coast to coast the other day, it seems to try and pacify peoples fears of chemtrails a bit (or at least, make them think they are "for our own good" to an extent), by saying they are probably just trying to "combat global warming" pah!! He let it slip that this isn't the case though a couple of times. eg planes are often found flying and spraying at heights of 19000ft, which is too low for this. And, if this is the case, what about all the other stuff they spray out? Barium is a poison, surely they could choose something better? And the pathogens?? The red blood cells???!!!!? tsh....however, he did say he had some chemical analysis done on the trails, so you can probably find that on the site. Reduce global warming could be one, but I doubt it.
Really, it should be noted that the best evidence you can get comes from seeing it first hand. Oh, and go to google images and search for chemtrails or contrails, you'll find some good images there, so you know what to look for (some really good ones, eg the biig grid which comes up first, classic!). Also close ups of planes where the trail is not coming from the engines, but from the tail fins....hhhmm
Oh hey I just found somewhere else you can get CB construction details from:
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/goodbyects10jan02.shtml
And other assorted info
Oh I nearly forgot - doppler satellite images show areas of red and purple where there is chem, I am not sure, but I don't think this is natural. At all. Basically this is picking up the metals in the atmosphere.
One of the weirdest effects, which I actually saw for the first time the other day, is how sometimes you see a black line which extends from the chemtrail - its really weird. Some other people have reported that this black line can be seen extending INFRONT of the spray planes!!! It seems to be the negative energy being projected along the chem.
As for the cover up, its mostly a big media blanket over the whole thing. It came up on coast to coast IMO because so many poeple had called in about it, they couldn't ignore it any longer. Oddly, weather reporters in some places have started telling people "weather today.....could be the right conditions for contrails to form, so I think you'll see a lot of that" and then - guess what! chem flying everywhere.

As for the "maitreya" - I know one good article on the issue, I am certain Sean David Morton is a completely honest guy, intuition says yes very loudly. And he does seem to really know his stuff.
http://www.delphiassociates.org/
go to the conspiracy section, some other good articles there too with research I haven't seen anywhere else.
I can't remember where else I have heard about him though, a number of different accounts I think. But DO NOT go to his website! I know saying that will cause most people to do precisely the opposite but....do yourself a favour. Yuk.

Song? lol never heard of it sorry! I'll download it , it'd better be good! heh.
I mean (like you probably know, but hey its interesting!), like the different aeons, connected to the the astrological signs - egypt being in the time of Leo - hence that bloody great big one sitting next to the pyramids, then a load of time we know nothing about, then age of bull, taurus, which closed when Moses came down off the mountain, opening the age of the aries the goat, connected with sacrifice, closed by Jesus who started Pisces...the christian fish...etc. Each age lasting just over 2000 years, this fits the timeline perfectly! And places the sphinx, at the latest, 5 * 2000 = 10000 years ago, or about 8000BC (latest 10,000BC) - which coincides with geological dating, along with...pretty much everything we know about Atlantis!

aahhh...hmm I think I'm rambling!

You know, I have never heard anything about "Aghartians" - sounds interstings though, yeah cool would be good to share so info. I'll try and do some research on it at work tomorrow, hopefully I won't have anything to do! So, whats it all about?
I am not sure what you mean with my screen name - its Inguma, pretty much wherever I go, but where were you thinking?

time...for....action quake 2!

Rob

Urge to tinkle off evil agents by building cloud-busters rising....

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US. YOU ARE ON THE WAY TO DESTRUCTION. YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME......... HA HA HA.

heehee did you ever play that game? (it was for Sega Genesis). I'm getting the urge right now to taunt these guys. I could come up with so many. Attempted assassination, for example: "Ow, that hurt! Who throws a shoe, anyway?"

Ok well tell me how and I'll build one of these things. I'm sick of taking crap from whoever it is that does all this stupid stuff. I don't think it's JUST the government. There have to be other groups. Let's go around spying on them and see how they like it. I saw a white van parked outside my neighbor's house for a couple days. I even walked by it but nobody popped out to grab me. It was probably just a regular van. But at the time, I was plotting with someone to build a starship and bolt from this planet like a bat out of hell. I realized later that that wouldn't solve anything though, which is probably why they never came for me. I figured it was better to stay here and set things right for everyone, even if it does kill me. I'd rather be dead than join them. What's interesting is that none of their mind-controlling things are working anymore. not on me. The CIA knows how to put thoughts into peoples' heads with radio waves. But I doubt they do that with regular citizens- much. I think it's the more covert groups we have to worry about, such as Area 51, which "doesn't exist."  Anyway, I believe you. I know people wouldn't go around just making this crap up. Anything is possible. And that means I have to prepare for anything and everything. So what do I need to get to build a CB and what do I do with it?

ROFL

I have e-mailed 'winggin with more details on how to build CB's, if anyone else wants to know more, let me know - PM or here. Happy to help - the more of these things there are out there, the better...

Rob

Another link to info on the "Maitreya"
http://www.trumpetersmission.com/faqrev1998.html#question25

What can you tell me about holy hand grenades?

Shawn- Just look up chemtrails online. There are a TON of sites.

Oh, by the way, I wasn't serious about sending martial artists James-bond style. I was being facetious. But if they did come after me, I'd probably have my teacher call up some guys to hunt em down.

zx

Hey, I bet those flying whales from space are going to live inside the hollow earth after they destry human cvilization.

It's these kinds of threads that makes me hesitant to invite those "less accustomed" to OBE and the like to the forums here...but oh well, to each his own.  

Seriously, though, the idea of a the earth being hollow reminds me of something a half drunk caller from the South might say on the Art Bell show at 4:30 AM when sane people are sleeping, but oh well.

He Inguma, My SN is ShawnMCaffrey.  Go to http://www.stardog2012.homestead.com/index.html everyone, There are lots of things, that if taken all at once makes you think he's a wako, but he has spent years doing this stuff, and research, so I could beleive it.  AND TO END ALL DESTRUCTION!!!!

eeeenteresteeng. Vedi vedi eenteresteeng. I still can't say I'm persuaded though. See, the trouble with some people is, they're not down-to-earth. I still don't really even know about these chemtrails but I think a CB is a good way to experiment. Also, I was thinking of either hiring someone (a cloudologist/chemist?) to do the research and find out exactly what chemtrails are made of and if they are indeed poisonous. One site I visited showed their definition of a contrail versus a chem trail. I only saw one picture of a contrail, and that's what bothers me. I've seen chemtrails before. They say chemtrails have tints of color to them. That I have not noticed before, but then again, I've never looked for those visual properties either. I've seen chemtrails without seeing a plane go by. So how are they made? I know they aren't natural.

"Hey, I bet those flying whales from space are going to live inside the hollow earth after they destry human cvilization."

Apologies for being too weird for you. However yes I see your real point, it is easier to redicule than face the implications of what is being discussed, isn't it?
They all laughed at Einstein. And Reich. And Newton. And Galileo. And, if the day after someone had said Pearl Harbour was known about months in advance, they would have laughed at that person too, and probably thrown them in jail (which btw, is precisely where the father of orgone technology, Reich, died). Infact, they all laughed at anyone who said anything outside of the norm, but all these people were eventually proved right. But, thats herd mentality for you.
Oh course, I am not saying that just because someone says something off-the-wall they should be accepted as right, only viewed with an open mind and even hand - WITHOUT preconceptions.
Sorry, but I am not going to hold back from what I know to be truth, just because it is too disturbing for you and your friends. And feel free to slam me if you want to, being a moderator is irrelevant like that.

wiggin wiggin wiggin......the analysis' have already been done! And then you go and do them, and another guy comes along who says "aahh weeell I would need to do the analysis myself" - thats the scientists last excuse for not believing in the paranormal! We know what chemtrails contain! But, if you want more evidence, go for it. Although, like I said, the best evidence comes from watching them being formed. Eg a plane flies over, and there is a sudden break in the trail, or it suddenly stops. Even in places where there is already cloud ie specifically the sort of place where a trail would stick the easiest (although, for a contrail not to evaporate within 1 minute in itself is highly unusual, they certainly don't form cloud banks of their own on a regular basis). Or you find many planes flying around where there are no flight paths. Stuff like that. The black lines are just the weirdest. I saw a photo once...I'll and find it...oh here's another, it isn't very good though
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/cgi-bin/db-search.cgi?template=img-detail&dbname=img&key2=1011&action=searchdbdisplay
But hey, enough of that. I've said more than my bit now hehehe.
Oh, a holy hand grenade is a small orgone (energy) generator. You get them in all different shapes sizes, and powers. The basic units are good workhorses, but the more souped up ones - wow!! I find a good way to test effectiveness is to use them to charge water, just INCREDIBLE. I felt so alive and mad and full of energy! Really, really impressive.
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Rob

Inguma-
Hey, hey, hey...I know someone would take my statement and run with it, and that's fine.  I just want you to consider something: would I be a participating member of this forum, which deals with OBE and other "occult" things if I were a closed minded person?  Think about this as well: what percentage of the population could actually sit down with you and discuss such topics as healing, OBE, NDE, astral defense, etc.?  I venture to say between 2-10%...

I guess what I am saying is that there is a fairly defined line between theories such as the hollow earth one (which is reminiscient of a 19th century sci-fi novel...) and other kinds of theories.  I am not passing judgement, but seriously, when I invite a skeptical person, or someone who is simply not well-versed in such matters as the kinds normally discussed in a place such as this, and they find "hollow earth" stuff, it does sort of make one wonder.  I don't think people shouldn't post such things, that's their perogative...I am sure some of the things I post in here seem like pure nonsense to some, and that's the beauty of it.  BUT I do think I have a point and even you would concede this is true, for I believe you to be one of the more level-headed and intelligent posters here in the AstralPulse.

In conclusion, I would like to ask something about the "hollow earth" theory, just in the way of making a point.  How much evidence supports this theory?  How much evidence (and I am talking empirical, scientific or in other words quantitative evidence, supports the more traditional theory of the earth's chemical makeup?  I think the answer to this is obvious.  

GRADE SCHOOL SCIENCE:
By analyzing the seismograms from many earthquakes, scientists have discovered that three main levels or shells exist within the Earth:

CRUST The Earth's outermost surface is called the crust. The crust is typically about 25 miles thick beneath continents, and about 6.5 miles thick beneath oceans. The crust is relatively light and brittle. Most earthquakes occur within the crust. The crust in this image is much smaller in the real earth!

MANTLE The region just below the crust and extending all the way down to the Earth's core is called the mantle. The mantle is relatively flexible so it flows instead of fracturing.

CORE Beneath the mantle is the Earth's core. The Earth's core consists of a fluid outer core and a solid inner core. Because the outer core contains iron, when it flows it generates a magnetic field. This is the source of the Earth's magnetic field.

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Because most of the Earth is not directly accessible, Earth scientists must use a combination of remote sensing techniques, inverse theory, theoretical models, and laboratory experiments to infer the properties of the Earth's interior.
(http://www.eas.purdue.edu/~scott/mantle/prem.jpeg)

Until next time,
DT, bringer of truth, signin' off...

Very good post Peaceful Warrior.

The only times i get bothered with such far fetched.. if there's any evidence at all to support it let's buy it cus its different types of theories.  Im a firm believer in being openminded but skeptical.  We are thinking human beings, i dont think its so evolved to accept everything and not question anything just because we want to seem openminded.

I meant to say I dont mind topics like this when there's at least one opinion saying (ummm just because its a theory which maybe looking at just one or two aspects its possible (if you dismiss every other piece of evidence out there.) such as the seismograph evidence etc.. )it doesn't make it real.


Im relatively new to this forum but sometimes the unquestioned.. oh that theory is really cool.. i believe that now.  type of topics do make it seem sometimes a little flakey.

You're right though look at all the stuff we talk about.  Its just some of these theories dismiss so much evidence out there showing the earth isn't hollow.  We're talking about a physical entity such as the earth.  I find the logic anything is possible therefore lets just accept anything as possible to be annoying.  Some people just want to cling to something because its different. But think if it was accepted amoung everyone that the earth was hollow and a group of underground people presented evidence showing its solid think of how much evidence would support that... compared to the flakey evidence which "supports" a theory such as this.  

Just because something is contrary to popular thought doesn't make it better or more right.  In fact you have the burden of proof.. we dont have the burden of disproving this type of thing.  And looking a that proof.. i dont buy it.

Ha yes, interesting post, and I agree that you are a very open minded person - we are indeed in the minority. But, how open to you to the possibility that your government is embalking upon a program of genocide against you, the very population they pledged to support and serve?
Anyway, thats more a side point, it seems. I just assumed that the things you were saying were aimed toweards the chemtrail agenda etc.

Anyway, back to hollow planets, personally I don't have any idea whether the earth is hollow or not, because I have never really studied it. I was taught about it in school, however since I have learned that many of the things taught in school are nothing short of outright lies, I cannot trust much of that evidence, and I certainly cant trust the theories tacked along with it.
Now I'm going to use Darwinian evolution as a case in point, because I only recently learned in the last month that its all a load of tosh. However, I was taught in school what seemed like very convincing - at times even exciting - evidence that it was true. Your diagrams remind me of that, you know - the pictures which show first an ape, then something closer to human, and 5 diagrams later its an upright walking homo sapiens? LIES!!!!!! There is no evidence for that what-so-ever!!!! On the contrary, there is a lot of evidence against. In a similar way, your wave speeds for the inner-core are simple extrapolations on limited evidence.
Along other lines, thinking about this from a gravitational attraction point of view, hmm, it does seem possible. I mean, image you were in the center of the earth - the very center. What would you feel, gravity-wise? Some people would say, a large crushing pressure. But no, you wouldn't feel anything, infact all the gavity would cancel out, as it would be symettrical in every direction. If you were to then move in one directon (assuming a hollow earth), you would start to get pulled in that direction as you would be closer to the mass in question, whereas it symettrical opposite going the other direction from the centre would be further away from you, so you would feel its effect less (although that point, I am very doubtful of, I would have to model it, and I really can't be bothered right now!). The thickness of the earth would then be determined by the interaction of the gravity against the pressure from all that mass.
What I am saying, is that all models of the earth are based on very little evidence, and that you can theorise it either way. And, as for the evidence at hand, the standard scientists are well known for their ability to be able to completely reject any evidence which conflicts with what they already believe they know (indeed it seems to me that a lot of research is an affort to do just this - confirm what they already believe, whereas if they are to go at it like that it should be aimed at confirmaing what they DON'T believe, and then back again). Evolution, as above, is a good case in point (if you want to read a good article which destroys, tramples, burns and buries in the centre of the earth, hehe, darwinian evolution theory - read this: http://nexusmagazine.com/Darwinism.1.html - and yet they still teach it in schools, the press, well everywhere normal as being practically Bible, they even have to MAKE UP flawed evidence to support their flawed theory!! lies which they taught me in school)
The orthodox environment is totally opposed to radical thinking. And evidence which comes from that direction, IMO should be seriously questioned. Indeed, all theories should be questioned, and all evidence used to compare to theory. Please, goingslow, I am not someone who accepts far out theories to be different, but I am also certainly not the sort of person who will simply accept orthodox view simply because thats what I have been taught/programmed will be right.
So, evidence! Quoting from http://www.hollowplanets.com/ (table of contents -> geology and seismology, an interesting read)
"Below a depth of 70 Km the stresses are so great that rock should flow because of pressure. Thus, earthquakes can never occur there. And yet, earthquakes do occur there. They occur up to a staggering depth of 700 Km. Seismologists have long pondered the cause of these quakes"
The rest of the article is good too, I heard him on coast to coast and he presented some good evidence. Like, I think I said, how radioactive material from Chenobyl inextricably made it all the way to the south pole, but nowhere else in the southern hemisphere. But, you would not have been taught that in school, or likely heard it in any controlled environments like the "free" press. I am sure there is other evidence out there (there always is!), but I have to go home in a minute...
Ha, I remember when I first saw the picture at the start of this debate a few years ago, I felt qute embarressed that anyone could even contemplate such a theory, and quickly left the site in question. I now realise that I was, and still am, wildly unqualified to make any sound judgements either way (lacking any really good evidence). I do, however, think that nobody has the whole story, at least not yet. I now feel slightly embaressed that I used to think like that! Funny how times change eh? In only a couple of years my view have changed so radically, aye, truly the truth shall set ye free etc.

gotta run
love and light and all that!
Rob

Inguma - I am glad you got to hollowplanets!  It's good, There is one site that shows how the P and S waves theory can be used in the exact opposite manner bt the waves creating "echo" type things, in the earth and I am no siesmologist, but it looks plausible, I wish I could find it, however, I am going to post a link to a site that shows how not the earth, but the moon and mostly all planets are hollow, due to the craters they make, If I can find it, but I have to go now, I'll be back, But i'll post soon.

Kaching! lol I found it!

http://www.tlonh.com/impact_crater_structure.asp

You really need to read th whole thing though, it sums it all up.
I will try yto get the P and S waves one now.
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(http://www.tlonh.com/images/articles/impact_craters_massive_impact.gif)

~Shawn

If the earth is hollow, how is gravity explained? I certainly believe in the possibility, but as far as gravity is concerned, how would both sides of the shell be held down? Like I mentioned before, there are probably vast complexities of quantum mechanics involved here, stuff way too complex to be proven by our "primitive" technology.

Shawn, that website is very interesting and explains a lot of things. But if the earth were formed by asteroids clumping together, how did the earth get hollow? Do you think that the asteroids eventually got so densely clumped in the center that they became the sun and burned away much of the interior? I have a few ideas but I was just curious. I didn't see anything in that website you posted, but I thought maybe you might know something about it.

You guys really crack me up...I mean I simply can't believe there are nutjobs out there crazy enough to entertain ideas like the "hollow earth" one.  Don't you know they have physically drilled MILES into the earth's crust!?  They can map it out with all kinds of instruments!  Anyway, to each his own.  I am officially done posting in this thread...but have fun and don't let reason!

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Yes in someplaces they have dug miles and mapped it, and other places, less publicised I add, they have dug miles and all of it was dirt and rock just as it would be from the surface, unexplainable.  Just because they have dug so much and assume their map is correct, doesn't mean it is.  I mean, the earth isn't flat is it?  No, but some people, like you thought it was mad to think it was.

Tests of nuclear weapons done underground create shockwaves which can be detected a long way away. To trace back the location of the blast it is necessary to have maps of the structure of the layers of the planet. When the shockwaves go from one layer to another it affects their path. If we want to play games and say that the world is hollow that is fine as long as everyone understands it is just a game.

zx

"I wonder if any of those people drilling miles into the earth have found anomolous archaeological artifacts?"
Yeah, I do think people have found some pretty odd stuff down there. Another high strange-ness are all the noises - sounds like machinery operating, continuous humming noises etc in some of the deepest (recently visited) places of the world. Probably secret underground facilities, or caverns, or something.

"You guys really crack me up...I mean I simply can't believe there are nutjobs out there crazy enough to entertain ideas like the "hollow earth" one. Don't you know they have physically drilled MILES into the earth's crust!? "

gggrrrrr!!!!!!!!! I entertain ANY idea, because it is the ONLY way to make true progress!!!! And as for your argument, I thought I had already dismissed that with the reports from the deepest hole ever drilled by the Russian - like Shawn is saying?
(sighs) - maybe Einsteing can explain it all better:
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."

Yep, to each his own delusion!! [;)]

Nutjob Rob [:D]

the whole doubting thing is also caused by our egos. We're afraid of appearing to be a bunch of idiots, so we refuse to accept the fact that there are possibilities of "far-fetched" things that may exist. I'm not saying there aren't idiots in our world, but think about it. By whose terms is a person an idiot? It's all relative. Besides, if you're doing the research for yourself, I think you're far less of an idiot than those who blindly accept facts as being true just because a "credible" source says so. It is imperative that we all trust each other as human beings and, while those who believe the world is round have more reason to because of the facts provided, those who believe the earth is hollow have just as much right to believe so because NOBODY has dug all the way through the earth to see it for themselves. There is still reasonable doubt. Me, I strongly believe the earth is solid, but I don't KNOW it is solid (or at least not hollow). That's why I ask questions. The more questions a person asks, the more doors are opened as far as possibilities are concerned.

www.hollowplanets.com go to table of contents.  I think i'm buying that book soon. [;)]

I personally believe the earth is square and flat much like a piece of swiss cheese.

Im not the only one who believes this and in fact theres a website supporting this theory.  I refuse to be pigeon holed by people who because of "ego" or their blind acceptance on scientific facts continue to suggest its round and not flat OR square.  Honestly if you think about it you all are accepting the earth is round but anything is possible.  And because anything is possible anyone who calls me a moron for believing this is just another victim of society's need to make everyone believe what's mainstream.  

To borrow some of ingumas quotes
""The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education" forget what you learned in science class its stopping you from learning the truth.. in this example the world is flat and square


To those of you that say common sense tells you anything different:
""Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."


yes einstein did say it best:
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
Knowlege may tell us the earth is round but my imagination says its a lot more fun picturing myself living in cheese.. trying to avoid the holes..

""Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."

What this means to me is you are all prejudice and only people who believe like me the world is just a big slice of swiss cheese are truly progressive.  For we dont use knowlege aka prejudice.. we use our imaginations and forget everything we've learned.

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where do we draw the line?  You're right though its pure ego that would make anyone point at facts showing the earth isn't in fact flat and cheesy.

who's to say who's an idiot.  i think we should accept each theory and just ignore those tendencies to be skeptical.  To say hmmm lets look at evidence.  For as all those quotes show you you'd be the ignorant one.

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What this means to me is you are all prejudice and only people who believe like me the world is just a big slice of swiss cheese are truly progressive. For we dont use knowlege aka prejudice.. we use our imaginations and forget everything we've learned.

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Hey, I don't appreciate the tone of your post.  This was the first you posted this theory and you are acting like we assume your a 'moron'.  [:(]  Show me this website, I AM interested in what support this theory has.  I would like to debate this after I read this evidence.  Thanks. [|)]

~Shawn

Ha yes hmmm

Did you read this thread or just skip right to the end? I am guessing the latter. Either that of you chose to ignore it all.

The quotes were used to try and clarify what I had already said. Peaceful warrior is open minded so I figured, maybe I just wasn't explaining it right.

But of course, Einstein, what an idiot....lol. Yeah...right. We can all be flippant, it doesn't mean that we have anything more than swiss cheese filling our heads though. This isn't debate by who can laugh the loudest or feel the most contemp.
I would bother to refute what you are saying, but since I have said most of it already, I don't think I will! However, much of the gist of it can be summed up in:

"Anyway, back to hollow planets, personally I don't have any idea whether the earth is hollow or not, because I have never really studied it. I was taught about it in school, however since I have learned that many of the things taught in school are nothing short of outright lies, I cannot trust much of that evidence, and I certainly cant trust the theories tacked along with it."

Which is a quote from....me! Just so you don't have to waste all that time actually listening to what people have been saying...

Out of interest, Einstein formulated his general theory of relativity by imagining that he was a tiny little photon, and then he imagined everything that he would see. So, it turns out, that imagination really is more important than knowledge. Anyone can get knowledge, and of course the imagingation needs to be fitted to that (which is a crucial point you seem to have overlooked), but very few people are imaginative enough to do what say....einstein did.

I don't have the time, or the energy, or indeed the inclination to hold your hand through the rest of the quotes. Suffice to say that if you thought about what is actually being said, instead of twisting the words in ways they were never intended to try and prove a pre-concieved "argument", you might learn something from a man who is regarded by everybody else as being a genius.

all the best!
Rob

O yeah, and you don't have to worry about Inguna not being openminded, lol, we have allready been through his stuff.  And boy, he has some ideas! [:O] [:)]

I think we should go on an expedition to see if hollow earth really does exist. There's really only one way to prove it, but it can only be proven to ourselves, unless we take a video camera down there with us that never runs out of film. And since that doesn't exist, well, we'll have to find another camera and ways to prove that we didn't spend hours setting up a "scene" for a hoax or something. That's why we need to keep at least one of them constantly running. We could bring down a few of them to ensure that we get everything. We could start them all a 1/2 hour apart from each other, and when one needs a new roll of film, the others are still getting everything on-camera.

Hey, did anyone happen to read the story "Endurance"? It was about some expeditioners who were shipwrecked on Antarctica. They had to cross the gigantic cold continent of ice to find an outpost so they could be rescued. It takes place during WWI I think. I didn't see anything about hollow earth in there but I do wonder, since it is based on a true story, if the explorers ever came across a gigantic gaping hole that was miles across. Anyway, just thought I would put that out there.

lol, well I think you need to read up on it.  If someone came across the polar hole, they wouldnt know other than the fact it was warmer and signs of life was where they shouldnt be because of the size of the hole and gravity all around it.  You wouldnt even know you went into it really.  Tons of people notice animals migrating NORTH for the winter, and ice free oceans in the north where it should be frozen over.  Also pollen has been found all over the snow there, must be from a sub-tropic source somewhere near... And tons of explorers tell tales of a land of many names that shouldnt be there, it's even on some old maps.  But not now of course, the government has to know of it and is keeping it a secret.  Why?  I dunno.  But if you are interested I can show you EXTREME proof that it is hollow, more so than solid.  FAR more, but you are never taught this in school, and it's "silly" to think so, so people shun the idea... [:(]

P.S. It's strange that the only proof for a solid earth is the P and S wave tests, when this could be easily proven wrong (it is).  And so mcuh evidence piles on top of it.  But, why do people think it's wrong, popular beleif, ego, and "I don't want people to think i'm crazy."

Perfect example of how a person takes an important concept like dont believe everything  you've been taught and turns it upside down making it bad for everyone.

What makes you believe a theory such as this?  The desire to go against everything learned, ego as well(wanting to show everyone you're right and popular belief is wrong), and to prove you're open minded.

This is ridiculous but seems only the ones patting you on the back and eager to prove they're open minded free thinkers by giving credibility to such a bovine excrement theory are the only ones posting on here.  So have your moment of glory.  Just dont confuse it with being equal with great thinkers like einstein.  

What do all those quotes basically say?  Dont believe things just becuase they're out there.. be skeptical.  You're blindly believing a theory by using those peoples words about think for yourself.. and you're not thinking for yourself.  If you did and really applied skepticism instead of being so excited about being one of the people who proves a theory to be right (we'll show them) you'd realize this theory has no merit.

But you're on your quest to be right, to be a free thinker.. a person without ego and who doesn't care if anyone thinks their crazy.  
When you're more guilty than anyone else of believing what you read.  It is a lot easier to be critical of ideas everyone has accepted than a theory a few quacks put out there.  Afterall it has that rebellious im thinkiing on my own type of feel.  unfortunately you're buying into a theory a few people put out there for the personal glory of selling books to easily pursuaded people such as yourself.

gets ready for quotes about anything is possible and how you all are actually following great thinkers who as we all know accepted any theory as long as it wasn't mainstream right?  

THOSE QUOTES are about questioning.. those quotes you all are so fond of quoting in order to show how you shouldnt be questioned.  You only interpret them to mean questioning that which has been believed for 40 years by the scientific community.  Not crackpot theories.. just stop and think about it for a minute.

I think ill do like peaceful warrior though and just stop reading this crap its gotten way more attention than it should have gotten.  And apparently only people who agree with it or who want to prove they're openminded free thinkers devoid of ego are posting.. about the many ways it makes sense.

"You're blindly believing a theory by using those peoples words about think for yourself.. "

I'm sorry are you talking to me? Lets try and keep this out of the personal-bashing OK?
No, not trying to prove open mindedness, just trying to make other people see their own closed minded-ness. I see it everywhere, and if it was not for closed mindedness trying to hammer everyone else, we would be an inter-stellar species by now. I don't hate many things, but this pseudo-skeptical attitude is really vile. So I find it rather peculiar that you accuse me of knocking other people who dissagree with me, when the only people who are laughing at the other camp are the "this is rediculous I can't believe you are even considering this, there is no evidence for it" or even your harsher "bulls**t theory". As such you are blatently guilty of the very crime you accuse me of. Of course, as we have already discussed, none of these accusations are valid. So can we move on yet?

If someone uses one piece of evidence to try and prove the infallibility of the solid-earth theory, don't expect me not to provide opposing evidence. And if their evidence is flawed or incomplete, don't expect me not to point this out. Speaking of evidence, which is really what this comes down to, have you got anything you can add?

But honestly I do wonder whether you are listening to anything I am saying. I said, the quotes were to clarify. I find it odd that you are picking on the fact that I used quotes, rather than trying to understand what I was trying to say (in, and outside of, quotes). You could discuss our points, but instead you are falling back on personal accusations and emotionally charged sentences.
The same tactics are used against those who oppose evolution theory. They are instantly labelled "closed creationists", "quacks" etc....pah!

Rob

Zx

thats cute.. and what is everyone else doing?  saying theres no such thing as a person speeding or going to slow.. for we're all just here.. who are we to judge..

yeah that will get you far in life.. but its cute on a message board.

Anyway to inguma and even Shawn the reason I really started posting on this was the way both of you reacted to people who didnt believe in your theory.  You accused peaceful warrior of not believing in it or for being against it because of all those quotes.  Or ego.. or accepting what he's learned.

As if a natural progression of not accepting everything you've learned.  And living by einsteins theories which were quoted you'd obviously see a theory such as the hollow earth one was right.  

Theories like this are different than personal experience.  You're the one trying to supply evidence. Even if you said "i feel as if the earth is hollow" there's not much to dispute.  Thats your perception but you're trying to give proof as to why a physical entity actually exists in a different way we imagine.  Then when people dont agree you both reverted to statments about not being open minded enough.  or blind belief in our knowledge.  Sorry but this theory again is something you tried to supply proof of...dont be surprised if people squash that proof with other proof.

It did bother me every retort i read was suggesting the people who would dare call it flakey were just close minded skeptics.  While we're supposed to forget all the proof we know that suggests earth is solid and be open minded to shawns interpretations of the same facts supporting his theory.

I dont question things people have experienced.  Unless they try to offer proof.  Then people have every right to get skeptical and pull it apart.. just like "ill show you on video tape".  This is probably lost on people who see any kind of questioning as close mindedness.  But in reality its a theory which has to be argued.  Its not a belief or personal experience.  

So btw mj12 or whatever your handle is that to me is why i accept many things ive experienced.. but not peoples interpretations of them especially when they come to great conclusions about what it all means.  Lets say if coming in contact with an entity actually would lead a person to believe the world is comprised of entity's named tzar and we must follow and they get at theory about how the world is comprised of a race of tzars relatives.. Did they see an entity?  If I have no reason to doubt their credibility then why not(some people for reasons of continuously trying to get fame or known to lie) maybe i'd question their truthfulness.  Does that mean i have to believe what their conclusions are based on that experience.  No way and not believing it doesn't make me close minded. And it doesn't contradict the fact i believe they probably did see an entity.  There is a difference. its not what i believe vs what others do.  Its when people explain something outside their perception as fact and try to give evidence for it.
The hollow earth theory is a theory based on facts and conclusions.. if you dont expect opposition on this type of thing that argues against scientific facts then what are you doing? recruiting followers?.. i have no doubt many here would join up.  They think its all part of being on this forum and openminded.  However, i see the conclusions as ridiculus and not supported by facts.  That has nothing to do with me being close minded.  Its a natural progression of being a person who has to filter out all im told is possible and what i believe.  It has nothing to do with being a victim or just another person accepting all i've learned and therefore not seeing the truth in this.

Tom actually said it best when he mentioned its fine to play the game as long as you realize its a game.  But if you continue to say the reason no one has accepted it isn't due to the faulty logic of the theory but "peoples ego which doesn't want them to believe what they've learned is wrong" you're fooling yourself.. and insulting everyone who thinks its BS by assuming its because we're not open minded enough or willing enough to learn new things that may contradict things we've already learned.  

Maybe its just the faulty logic of the theory?  

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK?!?!?! (do you even care? oh well, I'm going to tell you anyway, so HA!)

I don't think there's any BS going on in here, and if there is, who cares? To each their own. There are far too many idiots in the world for any one person to "take care" of (as much as I'd like to). Besides, it's like they say- when you make something idiot-proof, they just make a better idiot. I definitely understand and agree that we shouldn't try so hard to be open-minded that it becomes a superficial "in" thing that everybody's doing because it's the "new fad," but I don't think that's an issue here. On what evidence do you base your accusations? i.e. What exactly makes you think that people in here are just saying what they're saying because they want to look cool or boost their ego with saying something to receive good complements? Hey, if I don't believe something, I have no problem telling you I think it's a crock of you-know-what. And if I don't like someone, I've got no problem telling them where to go. Hey, I know kung fu, if they want to mess, I'll let them mess themselves up. But I'm not going to tell someone to stop believing something just because I don't believe it myself. I can't explain anything to anyone who doesn't believe the possibility of what I believe to be true.

I don't think anyone here is disregarding everything they learned in school. I think there are things here that are being blown out of proportion. It's like me spilling a glass of water on the kitchen floor and someone accusing me of letting a firehose loose in the kitchen. It's just ridiculous and unnecessary. I think we're starting to split hairs here. We're getting to the point where we're analyzing every word in each others' sentences, and I think that's just a waste of time and thought energy. Wherever one goes, it is imperative that they create positive energy and not negative energy. I think the last 11 or so posts are a waste of cyberspace. There's no need for that conversation. When I see idiots, I avoid them, rather than confront them. It's like they say- When you argue with a fool, make sure they're not doing the same thing (and no, I'm not calling anyone here a fool, nor am I trying to imply it).

Anyway, just my contribution.

I would also like to add that my statement about egos in a previous post was not to be taken literally. I was not tryint to say that people base their beliefs entirely on their egos. I just meant that when a new idea/theory comes out, it is often ridiculed by people until facts are presented to prove the theory to be true (in which case it then becomes a fact). Hundreds of years ago, a person could be imprisoned for saying the world was round (which it is, and has been PROVEN by astronauts who have seen it from space and also the captains of the sea who have sailed all the way around it and circumnavigated it). Math plays a gigantic part in proving these things. What are the mathematical properties of a big rock slamming into a gigantic, solid ball of dirt? How is the crater made? What impact (no pun intended) does it have on the surface? What about if the earth is hollow? Let's say we are hit with one. What happens to anything on the other side of the crust?

Now, about those idiots... [has clocktower fantasy]

zx

Goingslow, I think you have misconceptions about this forum. First of all, I would like to say that one of the things I admire most about this forum is the way people are not so judgemental about what is said, but if they disagree then they can voice their opinion without pointing their finger at the other person and calling them an idiot or a fake. Constructive criticism is a big part of higher learning. Insulting others only creates negative energy which just angers people and may cause them to say nasty things about you. The more you analyze them, the more they're going to analyze you. Also, in every single fight I've ever witnessed or been in, the one who "wins" is always the one who is calmest, whether they're right or wrong.

Second,  I don't see any reason for labeling anyone a fake or being open-minded just to say they are to get praise from others. The people on this forum wouldn't be here if they didn't really have an open-mind. I assure you, there are very few here who are superficial, and from what I've seen most of those who I try to stay away from are in the energy development section, and I think that I stay away from them because I do not understand them. But you don't see me getting in their faces about what I think of them. I think many of them are very enthusiastic Dragonball Z fans. But even they bring up good points about energy. Why don't you go read their posts, come back here, and tell me what you think. When I see a topic or subject that I don't like or agree with, then I simply save myself the trouble and don't get involved. If I feel that I can make a valid point, I will do so, but without insulting anyone. Hey, maybe they can prove me wrong. Maybe Inguma and Shawn feel strongly about what they believe in and maybe what they said and how they said it was for that reason. I detected no hostility in their posts when I told them I prefer to think the earth is solid. Like I said, I don't think their belief that the earth may be hollow is sideways or the thoughts of madmen who let their imaginations run away with them. There is still a very strong possibility that it exists, just based on quantum physics alone. Did you know it's impossible to state the exact location, speed, and direction of an electron? Did you know that two electrons with opposite spin can occupy the same coordinates? Don't you think that might be possible with universes (if more than one exists)? Two earths may be occupying the same space for all we know (hollow and solid), and maybe there are gateways/connections to the other earth through certain corresponding points in the gravitational field. Who are you or any of us to say what another's motives are for posting what they post? Are you a psychologist? You don't know what's going on inside their heads. None of us do. Sometimes I can't even explain what's going on in my own head. Now, can we PLEASE stop with the insults and continue this discussion? We don't mind if you tell us what you think about hollow earth, but we don't care for or about your opinions of us. If you want to post your own topic about how much everyone here sucks, then be my guest (people here would probably be angry at first but then try to understand why you would post something like that and try to enlighten you), but this topic is about hollow earth, so why don't we just talk about hollow earth and other related things, rather than saying what peoples' motives are for posting what they think? It sounds to me like you want to be a psychiatrist. You seem to like to analyze others. Why don't you take a course or two in the field of psychology? It's a very interesting field and it is very versatile.

What I find amusing is how you miss each time the posters here psychoanalyzed why others dont believe in it.  Thats the only time I wrote down why they do.

"herd mentality" Inguma
"they dont believe because of ego" you
"close minded" "believing everything you're taught"
"weak minded"

Its okay to do that because we're talking about everyone who disagrees right?  No one in particular.  But if i take what that infers.. and make inferences right back using what it must mean logically what they think they are doing by entertaining the ideas (based on your comments why people dont believe) Im being judgemental.

I do have a question though.. aren't the advanced races in there all aryan?  Blonde haired blue eyed according to the theories?  hmm reminds me of something. Yeah i already know the hitler connection but hey sounds nice doesn't it.  I wonder if the advanced people were arab or dark this theory would be as popular as it is.  

JESUS CHRIST, STOP BEING WHINING! [:(!]
Not to sound mean.  Honestly.  But Timeless is right, let's get ON TOPIC, you are arguing like children, if you want to show evidence and stuff LIKE I ASKED FOR in the beginning feel free, but if you want to talk about people on an ego trip and being mean, let he who has no sins cast the first stone.  We were just chatting, no egos, no judging, and then goingitslow cam ein and was on auto defence, like we would automatically judge his beleifs, and we wouldn't at all, I was interested in it and wanted to research.  But no.  I went away for one day, then came back and there's a HUGE argument going on.  Can't we all just get along and discuss the earths structure without contempt or scon.  Being the creator of this thread, I feel I need to stop all these bad vibes, please.  [:P]  HUZZAH!

~Shawn

P.S. [;)]

Wow, Timeless, that's interesting. I have interest in UFOs. I believe they exist and that other races exist. I think some of them are probably from Area 51 and other secret government facilities but for the most part I think they are either from outer space or from hollow earth (if it does indeed exist). I find this hollow earth theory is growing on me. I believe there is a fairly strong possibility it exists. I once had a dream that for some reason I was digging a hole in the ground and about 2 feet down I broke through the earth's crust and was able to see outer space, as if the earth was flat. It was weird staring into a hole in the ground and seeing something you're only supposed to see when you look up.

So what about other unexplained things, i.e. the Lockness monster, mermaids, Atlantis, etc. Do you think they exist? I think there's a possibility. There was a website I went to which has supposedy real documentations of sightings of mermaids by English sailors. Now, whether or not scurvy (or magic mushrooms or peote cactus) was a factor here, I do not know. I don't remember how I got to the website but I'm sure you could dig up a lot of stuff if you did a websearch.

As for the races of Hollow Earth, well, I'm certain that if it is habitable "down" there, some form of life MUST exist, just based on bacteria alone.

wow you're rolling on the floor.  get out more..

your enthusiasm and many smilies are very effective.  However im not the only person who has commented before on the aryan angle.  In fact think hitler really saw this race and that gave him his ideas. Kids like you wouldnt know about those things though.  Live live more.. dont stay on these messageboards trying to be cute so much.. it will do you wonders.

Theres more to life than 16 year olds with conspiracy theories.. though im sure you think you're onto something.

lay off the crack pipes all of you.. no wonder this forum is turning to dragon ball Z bovine excrement and quack theories.  A few radical crack smokers ruin it for the rest.  

no wonder the OBE forum is kept seperate.. more of you guys need to stay off the internet and live in reality... ill stay off this forum just like the energy forum.. too many people who need to touch down with reality instead of being so consumed in nutjob theories.

have a good life freaks
timeless... you're a father.. holyshit..

I can't wait!  O and timeless,aren't you supposed to be on message board leave?  For your book?  

~Shawn

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your enthusiasm and many smilies are very effective. However im not the only person who has commented before on the aryan angle. In fact think hitler really saw this race and that gave him his ideas. Kids like you wouldnt know about those things though. Live live more.. dont stay on these messageboards trying to be cute so much.. it will do you wonders.

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1. Yes, I had a similar theory on HItler and the aryan race.  So us KIDS do know about it, Mr.  Allknowing.
2. What the hell are you talking about?  Is, RESPECTFUL not in your vocabulary?  I know we have said nothing at all mean or bad to you....I don't appreciate your comments.  I don't think I'm being cute by sharing my ideas.. What are you talking about?

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lay off the crack pipes all of you.. no wonder this forum is turning to dragon ball Z bovine excrement and quack theories. A few radical crack smokers ruin it for the rest.

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1. Agian you know nothing about me and I don't apprreciate your derogatory commentary.

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no wonder the OBE forum is kept seperate.. more of you guys need to stay off the internet and live in reality... ill stay off this forum just like the energy forum.. too many people who need to touch down with reality instead of being so consumed in nutjob theories

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1. O is it so hard for you to beleive that  maybe we can have lives and talk about this "nonsense"?  Also, on what babsis do you come to this conclusion?  I mean if you mean just talking about it, then you are too!  GET A LIFE! BLABLABLA! [:P]
2. I have a clear touch with reality, i'm not some pastey white, freindless dude, I have a very active life, I am just interested in the "paranormal", allthough I can't speak for you or anyone else.
3.  Please, DON'T post here until you learn how to be respectful, and make sense, just about everything you posted about us can be applied to you as well...
4. O you dont like smileys? [}:)]
I DO![:D][^][:I][8D][8)][|)][:)][:P][;)]




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Back on topic: Timeless, I suggest going to hollowplantes.com, in the table of contents section!  It's a great mega summary, and even has a questionable photo of an unchrated land, allthough who knows what the photo really is of? [|)]

Timeless, I myself am not a big fan of weird experiences. I get freaked out pretty easily, but I always try to act tough about stuff (determination?). I figure if I am determined enough, then I can do anything. My friend made a small sign (which says "WTF?" on it) for unexplained things like these. He holds up the sign whenever he's weirded out by something. I need to make one of those signs.

I have a question. Where does one begin to decide what's needed and what isn't as far as things like looks go? Sure you need to look good (presentable) to get a good job. I really don't care for the most part what I look like, but I hate getting looks from others. I take this as a suggestion that I am weak-minded because I shouldn't care what others think. I'm in a funky spot in my life right now. I need to decide what kind of job I want someday. I need to decide how I'm going to help the world. I want my job to be one that does something for others. Music makes people happy. But I think there are better jobs out there. I also want to enjoy what I do. Now, in the middle of all this, I am trying to spiritually advance at the same time. By spiritually advancing, maybe I can decide what it is I want to do someday (soon). I've got a year left in undergrad school, then I have to decide whether or not I want to pursue my master's degree. I'm very indecisive right now.

Greetings Timeless!

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P.S. I cannot stress how much that "I AM your equal" bit can change your life whether you are at the supermarket or in a high level business meeting.  See yourself there and then make sure you have the goods that ensures you should be there.  Whether we are talking presidents or poppers or intergalactic beings it is a high EQ that is prized.  Tons of people have intellectual skills...few have EQ skills.  That is what separates the men from the boys, the women from the girls.

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Yes indeed: as Quia Gon Jinn said in Star Wars 1:

Your focus determines your reality

There is considerable wisdom in those words whether Lucas new it or not - I think he did. Actually, as an aside, much of Star Wars contains alot of Spiritual truisms, including "the force" which we know as "Prana", "Chi" "Psi" or perhaps "Spirit itself".

Anyway, the point is, the way you think, and the energy you put  behind it, determines what you will achieve and who you are - every gets what they wish for, but many do not know what they are subconsciouly wishing for. Those who worry about their life situations will attract more of what they are worrying about - e.g. worrying about money will cause more debt. That is the way cause and effect works and indeed low magic. Cause and effect, like attacts like.

In the higher spheres - the Astral for example - everyone is confronted with this reality in a way that is inescapable. Thought = direct action instantly. In the physical world exactly the same rules apply, but they are less obvious and very often routed in the subconscious. So to break out of a vortex of negative energies and results, the key is to program your subconsious, and to think positively in the first person all the time.

So - don't say to yourself - "I want to be comfortably off", or "I want no money worries" etc., your attitude should be "I am comfortably off", "I have all the money I need" etc. etc. and in that way you will attract these energies to you and which will sooner or later manifest in your physical reality. Successful people always know beyond doubt that they are successful,and success is thus attracted to them. Of course, most people attribute the fortunes of these people to "luck" and are jealous - but their is no such thing in the Universe as "luck", and their jealousy will attract the opposite of the fortune they are jealous of. The appropriate attitude is to give thanks for the fortune of others, and be grateful that you have the opportunity to do so. Many people are conditioned at birth by their parents and peers as to what their "station in life" is - i.e. to live in such and such a place, in such and such a sized house, with such and such a wife and so many kids named such and such. This becomes firmly routed in the subconscious until it manifests in reality. Those that are brave enough to reach beyond these things and confront their own lives, know themselves and their true purpose are the ones who will make the true progress.

The same goes for managing people as Timeless has been saying. If you approach someone with the attitude "I am your equal" then you will be their equal and they will recognise you as such. It is also true of course, because we are all Brothers and Sisters born of the Great Spirit, The Divine Providence, God etc., and all on various stages of the path back home to the Light.

So go through life knowing these things and attracting positive energies and manifestations to you - knowing your are a son or daughter of God and that nothing can ever harm you, knowing that this life is a valuable opportunity to make progress on the path, knowing that material things are really only obstacles with which to learn valuable lessons and equilbrate Karma of this and previous lives, and knowing that you can have anything you need providing your needs are genuine. Your focus really does determine your reality!

With best regards,

Adrian.

I do not believe that a soul can be truly lost. All it needs is the right words to realize how to repair its ego. Even those souls who have turned to the dark side must bow down before the majesty of the light, because they know somewhere deep down that they can never be the opposite equal in greatness to god. Nobody can. Whatever is not of the light is a mere illusion of reality.

It's nice to have free will. Anything's possible.

Hey Timeless-

There is a lot of instability as far as my carreer situation is concerned. I'm not doing particularly well in school, due mainly to my lack of interest in the left-brained methods of learning about music. It may work for those who fit in particularly well with our society, but not for me. I am also suffering from aspergers high-functioning autism (the least severe level), which isn't making things any easier for me. My strengths come from the right hemesphere of my brain, and I just wish our society would recognize that hemesphere.

Wow, I got so mad at Goingslow in another post (Hephaestus- "It is time"), and just lost it. Not because he/she was insulting me but because of what he/she was saying about the other people and how he/she was saying it- he/she actually said something good about me (which I think I disproved with my last post), and I felt a bit sorry for him/her after ripping him a new one. But I felt it had to be said, complement or not. He/she's gotta change his/her ways of getting his/her points across. I probably only made things worse. It really bothers me when someone insults someone else, especially when it is totally unnecessary. It's probably the one thing that gets under my skin the most- verbally, psychically, or physically attacking another person. Anyway, I said what I said, so it's not like I can change it now. Apologizing would probably only make it look like I read what was posted after I sent my post. I guess I got my point across, but poorly. Well, that was my mistake. Now I'm not allowed to make another one for a long time. I hope for his/her sake that he/she'll change the way he or she says things to others.

Greetings everyone!

It's 01:20 on Sunday here, so this will have to be a short one [:)]

I just wanted to say that it is so important to follow your own intuition and guidance from your higher self - i.e. that little voice inside that constantly guides you - ignore it at your peril!

Upon leaving school, it is very difficult not to sucumb to family and peer pressures, and to do what they think you should do and what is best for you. However your purpose here might not match those stereotypes in any way shape or form. Unfortunately it seems likely that many people are caught in this very trap from the outset, and never do realise their true reasons for this incarnation,and end up having to come back and do it all again.

My family was and is very much like that. They have lived in the same area for generations, and their idea of an idyllic existence is a nine 'til five job, a nice semi-detached house, and wife to match and the average 2.7 kids [:)] I started out that way when I spent the first few years of my working life as an organic and physical chemist, but all of a sudden something "told" me I should be in computers, so I quit my job and founded one of the first national computer businesses much to the great horror of my family - giving up the job security. They were even more horrified when I decided to get a pilots license and started flying around in single engined aeroplanes which they perceived as most dangerous, and not the thing to do at all [:)] My intuition then told be to move location, which I did, and  not to bore you with any further details I have had a very long and eventful journey to arrive where I am now on my path.

I think I am more or less where I am supposed to be, but if I had ignored my higher self and other guardians and guides by way of that intition, I might still be wearing a white lab coat between nine and five, and returning home to my stereotype house each evening. I do have three wonderful sons however - 0.3 more than the average [:)] I might add that my house is most modest, and I see it merely as a means to an end and nothing else. If it wasn't for raising my children, I could most happily live in a single room or a cave providing I had my books and a PC with an Internet connection to communicate and manage my server upon which this resource resides.

The moral is - this is yourlife, path and opportunity and no one elses. Each incarnation is an extremely valuable (and pre-planned) opportunity to learn valuable lessons, equilibrate Karma, and make real progress on the path. It is so important to know that, and live your life accordingly, because when you do pass on at the end of each life, there is plenty of time to review what you accomplished, and what you might have accomplished.

With best regards,

Adrian.

Yeah, I realized the error of my post, unfortunately, not soon enough. It's like Yoda said- "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering." I think what I was worried about was being overlooked. Usually in my life, when I speak, people don't hear what I say, for whatever reason. It's like they're deaf or I'm invisible. So I feel a need to speak out. The Internet has given me a voice and I have learned how to use it.

Greetings,

Anyone who wishes to make real and long term genuine progress should never be disturbed by what anyone says or does, or much worse retaliate. This will lead to gross energetic and elemental imbalances which will drag you down and set you back. It is always preferable to focus in positive energies, and preferably to transmute negative attributes and energies to their positive reciprocals. This one of the meanings of true alchemy - the highly symbolic "turning of base metals into gold" - specifically transmuting base negative characteristics in positive, valuable characteristics.

Of course we should always respect the right of another to hold their own views by virtue of their own freewill, but always in the knowledge that immutable Universal laws, which are always perfect, will ultimately bring balance - even if you were wronged - it is the Law. I would point out that when confronted with a difference of opnion, or you think you have been wronged, take one step back and ask yourelf "perhaps it is I who is wrong" - people always tend to see things from their own biased perspective, but nothing, but nothing is beyond the Law, and if you are wrong, it is better to accept it there and then, and to set about equilibrating it. One of the hardest things to do is to realise that you are wrong, and to apologise to the other person - but it is a valuable attribute on the path.

I would suggest therefore, with respect, that it should be the objective of everyone never to become unbalanced. Concentrate on and master your own enoblement and progress, and leave others to their own station in life in which their present incarnation has placed them, while helping them to the extent it is appropriate to do so. All of this can be very difficult, but the benefits are considerable.

With best regards,

Adrian.

So how about those subterrainian cities huh?

I wonder of we can send morse code shockwaves through the ground to them. I bet someone will pick up our signals. Hopefully it's someone we can trust.

That's acctually a really good idea.  Allthough it would be hard to get a machine that could make those wave fast yet hard enough to be picked up hundreds of miles down.[:o)]

Ignuma-

I have a question about those crystals- where do you get them and what do you mean by DT (double-terminated)? Are you sure the pipes have to be 6 ft. long? What should they be made out of? That's not an easy thing to hide. Also, the base- how big and what shape should the pipes be in? Could you attach a crude drawing to an email? Thanks.

Sometimes I can bust up clouds with my mind. A black helecoptor flew over near where I live today, and it appeared to have been equipped with some kind of video-recording device. I saw it on my way back to school. The interesting thing is, I saw them spray a trail about two days ago (it was at night, the sky was clear, the plane- which appeared to have been a small passenger twin-engine jet- was flying at a relatively low altitude, and the trail of "water" stayed for a long time after it passed over), and yesterday just about everyone I knew got sick, except me. So I decided to try and bust up a cloud with my mind. It might have worked, I don't know. But I want to make a CB cause these guys are really starting to tinkle me off, and I can't worry about the clouds every second (because that would be obsessive). Also, in what sort of places should I place the generator? I'm living on-campus at a college. Should I donate it as a gift or should I try and hide it in the nearby woods or what? *shrugs shoulders*

Also, how much area does one CB cover?

Shawn- you're right, we'd have to hire some pretty smart engineers, and the device would probably require the use of powerful electromagnets.

that is really interesting. hmm...  This theory is growing on me. Maybe I'll run there if they try to draft me (which they won't, because they'd be total fools to trust me with a gun. I'm prone to hazard). Timeless, do you think earth's nuclear reactor could be a very small sun? How small do you suspect it is?

(http://www.2012.com.au/Hollow_Earth.jpg)
Of course. This drawing Is really dramatized and a lot of imagination went into it, but hey....
Has anyone read up on this sunbject?  I have, there area lot of theories like the survivors of the Atlantis, Lemuria, and Mu escaped underground long ago because they didn't want anymore violence and found the inner earth.  Also it's said that Hitler escaped through the south pole.  And hitler got his ideas from a race of blonde haired blue eyed people there that their symbol was swasikas.  It is proven Hitler thought the earth was hollow, and had lots of mining expeditions so it's possible he saw these peaceful people and got the wrong idea... maybe.. I dunno
A lot can be found here:  http://www.paranormal.about.com go to hollow earth on the side tab.  Lots of stuff on OBE too.

Most people say that it's impossibel because of the earthquake P and S waves, but search onhere and it shows how it works.  AND MAKES MORE SENSE THAN THE P AND S WAVES.
hehe
(http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/ufoart/holeart1.gif)
(http://www.2012.com.au/hollow.jpg)
Dont just skim over it and say i'm crazy, I thought so at first... But the more info you read, the more evidenc there is.  Until it seems kinda silly to think otherwise.