If TK (telekinesis) its real, it wont be difficult to prove such thing o the world. Just take out some guy with tk powers and make him moving objects.
Why the hell i dont see any team studying this guys with tkpowers?
Maybe there are not tk powers.
Dont speak about Uri Geller in this discussion, because that will give us an entire new topic to discuss.
Just wanna hear you speaking about your ideas on this matter: recent news and discovers, lyars, etc
btw, do you believe in tk? have you ever maked something that it was caused by tk (with almost 100% sure)?
TK was in wide use in ancient battles by prehistoric advanced civilizations in India
Today, TK is practised by very few people.
And, occasionally, Aliens from Z.Reticulii star system ( better known as the 'greys') use TK to lift abductees
Is it possible that there is something about having enough power and control to do telekinesis that proving it to everyone else would be like trying to show cats and dogs how to brew coffee?
lol!
You are somehow right Tom.
People are slow to open their minds to this kind of things, and even if they believe in their existence, they will look at it as a weird thing or as nice thing to see in TV.
It only matters what you believe in, not what anyone else does.
I my self always thought that everything regarded as paranormal is possible. I just didn't know I could learn some of the things.
And here is the reason why I believe:
Humans use less than 10% of the brain. Scientist do not know how the brain works. So if you ask me ... it is all possible (ap, tk and the rest),
and the people whom can do it, have thought to use that part of the brain.
Quote from: SwarooptheoneTK was in wide use in ancient battles by prehistoric advanced civilizations in India
Today, TK is practised by very few people.
And, occasionally, Aliens from Z.Reticulii star system ( better known as the 'greys') use TK to lift abductees
That's fascinating.It seems that more research is needed into TK if we are to reclaim it as a "lost" ability.
Quote from: SwarooptheoneTK was in wide use in ancient battles by prehistoric advanced civilizations in India...
Source?
Quote from: TelosQuote from: SwarooptheoneTK was in wide use in ancient battles by prehistoric advanced civilizations in India...
Source?
a fine question-I was afraid to ask :lol:
That one about India its interesting...where did you get that?
btw, are there any guys here able to move small objects?
Do you think that with training its possible?
Quote from: Smilodon29AHumans use less than 10% of the brain.
That's not true.
Its much harder to show TK than to do it alone (or with 1 or 2 people watching) because a big group of people pollutes the psychic energy in a wide area around them.
I've noticed that seems to be true and I'm very unexperienced at it. But when trying to show a single friend like a psi-wheel demonstration(under a plastic container) I can get some movement. But when I tried that on a band trip I could get nothing with the larger amount of people.
-Stu
Quote from: SwarooptheoneTK was in wide use in ancient battles by prehistoric advanced civilizations in India
Today, TK is practiced by very few people.
And, occasionally, Aliens from Z.Reticulii star system ( better known as the 'Grey's') use TK to lift abductees
proofs of that?
QuantitativeFool: can you see your psi balls? If not, what kind of thing can you do with them, that show their existence?
Quote from: VeccoloQuote from: Smilodon29AHumans use less than 10% of the brain.
That's not true.
Well, don't keep us in suspense... tell us the truth.
QuoteWell, don't keep us in suspense... tell us the truth.
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html
http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?articleID=000B077E-AD46-1047-AD4683414B7F0000
http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/10-percent-myth.htm
http://www.brainconnection.com/topics/?main=fa/brain-myth
http://www.sci-con.org/articles/20040901.html
http://tafkac.org/science/10_percent_of_brain.html
http://www.csicop.org/si/9903/ten-percent-myth.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_4_24/ai_63693010
http://www.boingboing.net/2004/03/21/do_we_really_use_jus.html
http://www.unmuseum.org/soearch/over0102.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/30/brain_use.htm
http://media.wiley.com/product_data/excerpt/9X/04714349/047143499X.pdf
I'll stop there... maybe this should be in a different thread?
If you don't read any of the others, read the CSICOP one, so you are at least conversant with skeptics.
Quote from: TelosQuoteWell, don't keep us in suspense... tell us the truth.
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html
http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?articleID=000B077E-AD46-1047-AD4683414B7F0000
http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/10-percent-myth.htm
http://www.brainconnection.com/topics/?main=fa/brain-myth
http://www.sci-con.org/articles/20040901.html
http://tafkac.org/science/10_percent_of_brain.html
http://www.csicop.org/si/9903/ten-percent-myth.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_4_24/ai_63693010
http://www.boingboing.net/2004/03/21/do_we_really_use_jus.html
http://www.unmuseum.org/soearch/over0102.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/30/brain_use.htm
http://media.wiley.com/product_data/excerpt/9X/04714349/047143499X.pdf
I'll stop there... maybe this should be in a different thread?
If you don't read any of the others, read the CSICOP one, so you are at least conversant with skeptics.
Interesting... I do understand where you're coming from, in that so often people will just parrot information that they've heard just because it sounds good or whatever. However what you have provided me with (I looked at 2 of the links) are arguments, not the truth... but I assume you know that?
Perhaps I should have been more blunt with my previous response?
Psh, Nostic, if you want essential truth, the internet is the wrong place to look, and that includes this forum... but I assume you know that? :)
My father often tells me, "a myth is a story that is true," in the sense that the story is a fabrication but based on some kind of true essence, no matter how far removed from context. In that sense, the truth is that the statement, "we only use 10% of our brains" is a complete myth.
If you're interested, you should click on more than 2 of those links. ;)
Quote from: TelosPsh, Nostic, if you want essential truth, the internet is the wrong place to look, and that includes this forum... but I assume you know that? :)
My father often tells me, "a myth is a story that is true," in the sense that the story is a fabrication but based on some kind of true essence, no matter how far removed from context. In that sense, the truth is that the statement, "we only use 10% of our brains" is a complete myth.
If you're interested, you should click on more than 2 of those links. ;)
Meh, good enough, I suppose. :)
Example:
QuoteWith the aid of instruments such as EEGs, magnetoencephalographs, PET scanners and functional MRI machines, researchers have succeeded in localizing a vast number of psychological functions to specific centers and systems in the brain.
I just need some things to clarify me in relation with the 10% ''brain usage''. There is a difference between ''potentiality'' and ''physical usage'' of the brain. They relate the myth to physical usage of the brain and it is not surprising that they find out that we use more than 10% of the brains physical mass.
Are they mixing two different hypotheses? As an analogy, lets take the motor of a car: you may go at 20 km/h and you use all the cylinders of your car but you have the possibility to go at 200 km/h also (which is the full potential of that particular car). You do not use only one cylinder because you go slower.... Maybe I'm mixing things up in a wrong way so if somebody can clarify this stuff, it will help a lot.
Quote from: patapoufExample:
QuoteWith the aid of instruments such as EEGs, magnetoencephalographs, PET scanners and functional MRI machines, researchers have succeeded in localizing a vast number of psychological functions to specific centers and systems in the brain.
I just need some things to clarify me in relation with the 10% ''brain usage''. There is a difference between ''potentiality'' and ''physical usage'' of the brain. They relate the myth to physical usage of the brain and it is not surprising that they find out that we use more than 10% of the brains physical mass.
Are they mixing two different hypotheses? As an analogy, lets take the motor of a car: you may go at 20 km/h and you use all the cylinders of your car but you have the possibility to go at 200 km/h also (which is the full potential of that particular car). You do not use only one cylinder because you go slower.... Maybe I'm mixing things up in a wrong way so if somebody can clarify this stuff, it will help a lot.
Point blank, the answer is very unclear. Viewed scientifically, I guess you could say,
based on what we know at this time through the usage of modern technology, we do in fact use 100% of our brain. Science is always correcting itself however, because it's only based on limited information. When talking about such things, I'm more apt to believe the spiritualist, although I take nothing for granted, and don't necessarily believe that we only use 10% of the brain. All of this talk is so technical though. The bigger meaning of the 10% "myth" is that we have a potential that is far greater than what we might imagine. I think people innately know this (dare I say, on a subconscious level), and that's why the 10% story is so easy to believe.
Quote from: patapoufExample:
QuoteWith the aid of instruments such as EEGs, magnetoencephalographs, PET scanners and functional MRI machines, researchers have succeeded in localizing a vast number of psychological functions to specific centers and systems in the brain.
I just need some things to clarify me in relation with the 10% ''brain usage''. There is a difference between ''potentiality'' and ''physical usage'' of the brain. They relate the myth to physical usage of the brain and it is not surprising that they find out that we use more than 10% of the brains physical mass.
Are they mixing two different hypotheses? As an analogy, lets take the motor of a car: you may go at 20 km/h and you use all the cylinders of your car but you have the possibility to go at 200 km/h also (which is the full potential of that particular car). You do not use only one cylinder because you go slower.... Maybe I'm mixing things up in a wrong way so if somebody can clarify this stuff, it will help a lot.
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I believe that you've touched upon a significant point. I think science is talking about what is, and spiritual teachers are talking about what could be. In other words, you might say, right now we are using our capacity, but can't our capacity increase? I think there is a very basic misunderstanding here. Can we say that our current capacity is only 10% of what our ultimate capacity could be? Well I believe our capacity is unlimited, but I can see the point that's being made.
Well, usage and capacity are 2 same differences. They are similes if used properly. I think a good 'different' word is 'potential'.
So we are at 10% of our potential latent abilities according to science, not storage capacity or normal day to day use (which is at 100% obviously). Just remember though, a spiritual leader would turn that logic on a dime and say we have unlimited potential. Bah, who to (dis)believe? Both are believable! Grrr. Ok fine I believe both then ^^
QuoteWell, usage and capacity are 2 same differences. They are similes if used properly. I think a good 'different' word is 'potential'.
Potential capacity was my point. :wink:
What that could be is anyones guess. The point I was making is that I believe science and spirituality are looking at the issue from different perspectives (surprising huh?), so they are bound to disagree. Of course it's all the same thing really, but when has that ever stopped people from arguing? It's just a play on words.
QuoteSo we are at 10% of our potential latent abilities according to science
Science says something about our potential abilities? or is that a type-o?
Getting back to the car analogy though. Maybe an even simpler way to look at it is the following: imagine playing a game, or trying to perfect some skill. As a novice, you'll probably use the same tools as you'll use when you're an expert (weather it's your body or whatever). But what has changed? The raw material has stayed the same, and at every stage of your practice, you used everything you had... but you still improved.
Well obviously I did make a mistake about the 10% brain usage.
Sorry guys.
But just to state I did not just blurt out that information, my teachers thought me that a few years back, I just never checked if it is true.
And I also believe that our capacity is limitless....
"The greatest illusion is that mankind has limitations." - Robert Monroe
Well I fully believe that.
Where is the Indian stuff?
The 10% its not a myth: if you are drunk&sleepy you will use even less of 10% of your brain :D .
I don't see what the significance of the brain is anyways. Everyone's already saying that the brain is in the mind. Maybe spiritual masters really should be saying, "you only use 10 percent of your mind."
But then, if you have infinite potential, how can you use 10 percent of it?
If you dont use a certain neuron in your brain, it will die. The parts of your brain you dont use will die, and that is good because it leads to a more efficient network-shape of neurons. You use most or all of your brain.
Intelligence is not caused by number of neurons or size of your brain... its the contents of it and how it works. Thousands of people could dedicate their lives to calculating the digits of pi, but the one man who finds an equation that converges on digits exponentially faster beats them all with only the few neurons in his one brain.
Quote from: Telos
But then, if you have infinite potential, how can you use 10 percent of it?
10% is what we use out of our maximum currently (or so I thought), and that maximum can grow, especially in the new generations.
The capacity of the human race is limitless ;).
Quote from: Smilodon29AQuote from: Telos
But then, if you have infinite potential, how can you use 10 percent of it?
10% is what we use out of our maximum currently (or so I thought), and that maximum can grow, especially in the new generations.
The capacity of the human race is limitless ;).
Is there a limit to its incapacity? ;)
where do you get your info on human limits?
10%, from everything I know about biology, is an estimate of how many neurons can fire at one time. I dont know if thats accurate, but its much more likely than the other... where only the same 10% is ever used.
Telos wrote:
QuoteMaybe spiritual masters really should be saying, "you only use 10 percent of your mind."
But then, if you have infinite potential, how can you use 10 percent of it?
This is another interesting contradiction that you bring. The brain is, as a matter of fact, a limited physical thing that our ''immaterial infinite'' soul is using to experience things in live. To differentiate what is being done by the brain vs. the mind is what many scientists are trying to find out (ex: scientist will argue that consciousness is chemical reactions). But to recover memory from past lives means that the memory wasn't ''made'' by the brain but added by the specific spiritual mind into the brain (a little bit like ''shadow memory download''). This is another highly debated area: the mind vs. ''the brain''. The problem is that science makes the equation that the brain makes the mind....
10% of the infinite is something that we can not really calculate, probably they want to show that we really do not use our potentiality which is infinite. But they have fallen into the trap of scientifically trying to measure such a thing because we know how our society is extremely materialistic.
Quote from: Telos
Is there a limit to its incapacity? ;)
I don't think so, but that was just my opinion :).
Are we flesh that was made into a spirit or a spirit maked in a fleshy form? I mean, maybe the spirit its a consequence of our biology (this is what Science says) or maybe its the opposite: first we are spirits and then, because of it, it will be created a fleshy body for us (reeincarnation theory).
There are also some people that our physicak brain may extend itself to the 4th dimension. This would explain some paranormal phenomenons, like astral projection or the telepaty.
For example (suppose that the theory its real): our brain has a 4th dimension "limb" now, what happens is that thoughts occur in the same dimenions where we find that "limb"/part of the brain. Because of that, other people could "grab" that thoughts (because they are in the same dimension) an then such information would be brought to the "normal" brain (thus occuring telepaty).
Another example related with telekinesis: the same part of the brain or maybe another part of our body that it is in the 4th dimension, it is able to move objects because the objects (normal objects) have an extension in the 4th dimension. So, when you move an object with the power of will, you are just making your 4thD body/mind touch in the 4D part of an object. Indeed, we are touching on it, but in an invisible dimension. For that reason we will have the sensation that the object as moved "alone" with no one touching it.
Maybe its that the reason for the fact that telekinesis its hard to lean: if someone has never used his legs (because it is in a chair 99,9% of the time- someone crazy), such person would have difficult in walking. He would need to relearn that normal "skill". I think that the same happens with Ap or telekinesis.