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Title: Are we conditioned to fit into our societies?
Post by: Epsilon on February 20, 2003, 22:14:16
Well you become comfortable with what you're familiar with.  If you're introduced to something foreign, you don't know much about it and are less likely to take intrest in it.  Now you may "learn" to like it, but it'll most likely take time.  I don't think it comes from birth, but rather experience.  Like foreign languages... everyone knows their own real well, but learning others (espcially at older ages) can be tough.  I don't think it's easy to know your language because you were born with the knowledge or whatever, but you grew up listening to it everyday of your life and picked up on it.  I don't know where I'm going with this cause it's after midnight and I've had a long day, soo.... I'm just gonna say I agree with you.  LOL.  [:P]
Title: Are we conditioned to fit into our societies?
Post by: filipcza on February 21, 2003, 03:25:41
Yes, definetely. I'd say that school is the place where societes normes are banged into our heads. You must be good and obedient and sit quietly and do as authority figure tells you, and if you don't then it's detention for you! They raise people to be sheep, the easier they are to control the better. Fashion is one way to tell us what we should like, what is "in". Society also tells us what is real and if you don't agree, then you are ridiculed, or worse put to mental hospital.

As what it comes to learning to like certain things, well sure you can! Is tobacco delicious the first time you try it? What about alcohol? And have you heard phrase: "it's acquired taste".

Well, maybe I went little overboard with the paranoia, but not much!
Title: Are we conditioned to fit into our societies?
Post by: James S on February 21, 2003, 04:23:26
I've recently read about the idea that as little children we were able to "tune in" to different realities, different planes, but as we get older, our parents and the people around us are always making sure we only accept what society in general believes is real. How many "imaginary friends" did we have that might have actually been spirits, or astral entities?

This may be on a different level to the last few examples, but it's still our society telling us what we can and cannot do or believe.

James.
Title: Are we conditioned to fit into our societies?
Post by: Adrian on February 21, 2003, 04:42:06
Greetings Everyone,

Yes, at the moment of birth, humans are still directly connected on all channels to the Astral and Mental realms from whence they came and were recent residents. Parents then "teach" using the five mundane senses and later discourage "pretending" and in particular "over-active imaginations". If only they knew! Teachers later compound the problems of course.

One of the biggest problems I have with the school system in the UK is that children are taught religion as if it were fact right alongside all of the other subjects. There is no attempt to suggest that religion according to christianity is anything less than real. "Religious education" is compulsory until at least year (K)7. Most schools have morning "assembly" for hymns and prayers as well.

It is no wonder that children grow up thinking that the teachings fo the dogmatic religions are real, and have no concept of the Spiritual truths and realities they are here to fulfil.

With best regards,

Adrian.




Title: Are we conditioned to fit into our societies?
Post by: Euphoric Sunrise on February 21, 2003, 07:52:02
I absolutely believe that children are connected to other worlds. Unfortunately as they grow older they are shown the world in which they have been born into, and memories/connections with other worlds are severed. It's up to those who want to regain those connections (unless they had luck on their side and kept them) to unlearn the vastly accepted 'reality' and define their own reality.
Eventually i hope the deconstruction of children's worlds is extinct. I certainly won't be hammering any beliefs into my children, if i ever have any. [:D]
Title: Are we conditioned to fit into our societies?
Post by: Epsilon on February 21, 2003, 08:23:54
Yes I believe childrean ARE very "spiritually talented" because there has been nothing in their lives so far to tell them otherwise, so they do what comes NATURAL.  It's almost sad to think that children could be playing with good astral entities (imaginary friends), and as society we tell them that kind of behavior is unacceptable after a certain age.  I've read in a lot of places that young children often are able to see relative's spirits.  Almost makes me wish I was a young kid again... maybe I could have my first full OBE then!  Hehe [:)]
Title: Are we conditioned to fit into our societies?
Post by: PeacefulWarrior on February 21, 2003, 10:52:34
Take a sociology class...you'll learn all about this stuff.  It's actually quite fascinating.
Title: Are we conditioned to fit into our societies?
Post by: Spirit_Gurl on February 24, 2003, 09:35:11
but that kind of thing never happened to me! i dont remember APs, or SEEING my imaginary friends, and i dont remember anyone telling me to stop, because i dont remember doing anything! i dont remember seeing dead people!

is there something wrong with me? i keep feeling like you guys have been spiritual forever and im cut off from it. i didnt do it when i was a ikid and i cant do it now, but i keep hearing that you did and you can and... is there something wrong with me?
Title: Are we conditioned to fit into our societies?
Post by: Epsilon on February 24, 2003, 10:08:14
I know I had an imaginary friend when I was little.  I don't remember it's name though... I also don't remember if I could actually SEE it or if I pretended too...

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is there something wrong with me? i keep feeling like you guys have been spiritual forever and im cut off from it. i didnt do it when i was a ikid and i cant do it now, but i keep hearing that you did and you can and... is there something wrong with me?


I could probably count how many times I went to church in my 22 years of life on both hands.  I pretty much didn't believe anything and didn't think there was anything after life.  But I didn't fear death because I had an attitude that I won't care after I die, because I'd be dead.  (If that makes any sense, it does to me, I just can't explain it)  It wasn't until the past year or so that I've been changing my beliefs.  If you told me what I believe now, and that I'd be visiting this site on a daily basis 2 years ago, I probably would have laughed at you and said you're crazy.  I don't think it's ever too late to change your beliefs and develop your spiritual side.
Title: Are we conditioned to fit into our societies?
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2003, 08:56:23
My brother always had an imaginary friend when he was younger, he said her name was "puffsand." I never went through that, I don't think. I used to sense things though. I was never able to actually "see" anything. My dreams were extremely vivid when I was younger. So vivid that sometimes I have a hard time recalling whether they were dreams or whether they were real memories of something that actually took place.

Spirit_gurl- I have no idea when the transitions from the astral to the physical took place for me over the course of my life, but it was insidious. I realized one day in high school that I was blinded by the beliefs of society. I realized my parents were partly to blame because of what they taught me. I don't hold it against them, and I'm glad that I've figured all this out for myself. I am trying to get back to sensing spirits again. My kung fu teacher is clairvoyant (sp?) I think. I asked him about it and he told me that it's one of those things that when it happens, you'll definitely know. I wish I was able to see spirits. I don't know why. I wish I had a switch for clairvoyance so I could choose when I wanted to pay attention to them or not. That way I could concentrate on tasks better.
Title: Are we conditioned to fit into our societies?
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2003, 21:24:10
Would you all agree that as a society, we are conditioned from the time we are born to like certain things and dislike other things, both intentionally and unintentionally? Do you notice, for instance, that when you take a person from culture A and play them a song from their own culture, they are more likely to like that song than the song played from culture B? There are so many things I see that contributing to why we like something, and I think one of the things is assertion. If you are exposed to something long enough, you will start to like it, even if only a little. And mind you I'm not talking about war or disease or things that hurt us. Except possibly drugs, in some instances. What are peoples' thoughts on this?