The Astral Pulse

This thread is dedicated to the topic "Are we in a death trap?" What is a death trap? What proof do we have that we are in a death trap? Who else on Earth believes we are in a death trap? What can we do to help get us out of the death trap? Does believing we are in a death trap not turn into a self-fulfilling prophesy? These questions and others I would like to address in this thread.

I would like to open with a channeling I received a few years back, which introduced me to the concept of Earth is a death trap:

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When you came here that you thought that things would be completely different to how they had actually tricked you into coming into a place where you would never send your worst enemy no matter what they had done ever. And if you did accidentally send him here you would never rest another day in your life until you had managed to set him free.
And now you were in that place and there was absolutely no hope of escape for you ever again and you would never be a free being ever again and in effect you had actually been murdered stone cold dead.

Further:

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So when you came into the entrance of this place you found you were lost. So you had to proceed and to carry on into the trap and that proved to be your undoing because once you went inside then you were unable to get out and that he had actually performed the unthinkable act of wiping out your memory completely which is close to murdering a being.

So now you had no hope of getting out because you couldn't even remember the fact that you were in a trap at all. Now you came to believe that you were a body with no soul whatsoever and that this was the only reality that had ever existed and you could never remember a time before it.
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You also forgot everything forever so the primary point of existing at all which is to gain experience was robbed from you and so each life was completely pointless. So you carried on for nearly forever until you were allowed to descend to the next level down.

Are we in a death trap? The simple answer to this question is yes.

If you can't remember anything from before you were born, and have no guarantee as to where you are going when you die, you appeal to a loving God for help and answers, and receive no reply, you can safely assume you are in a death trap, and headed for eternal hell.

This is the only proof you are ever going to get. If you don't know where you go when you die, hope for the best but expect the worst.

Now, realize you are in the most hostile environment you could ever imagine. Take precaution after precaution to safeguard yourself. Make sure you and your wife have separate bank accounts. Keep some money tucked away where you can access it in an emergency if you are ever in a position where you can't identify yourself and you don't have your bank card with you. Make friends who you can trust your life with, and make a pact with them that you will be there for them if they land up destitute, and you in return for them. Keep your mobile phone charged and on you at all times.

Now, decide your allegiances. Do you want to live or do you want to die? There are worse things possible than body death. It is time for us all to wake up. We are all in a death trap. The signs are written in the blood of the suffering on the walls of reality. Don't listen to whiners who say lets make the best of life and ignore the flashing alarm bells. We have a rare opportunity in 2011, spiritual advances have been made which allow us to understand the concept of a death trap.

Everyone else who knows they are in a trap (Buddhists, etc) are out to save themselves. I say lets put our minds together and defeat this thing together. It isn't impossible, I've had some successes, but I need your help. If I have to find a way to defeat it on my own, I will, but I'm not sure if this is possible.

Yes we can make a difference by feeding the hungry and being nice to each other. This is just making life more pleasant in a death trap. The onus is on us to find a way to spiritually defeat this device. Hubbard and the Buddhists have ways to escape the endless cycle of birth, death and rebirth. Lets take the best from all worlds and find a way. I myself have a unique context on it.

Chips are down now. Decide.

Considering the multidimensionality of reality, I do not believe that death can truly exist. Our universe, in all of its dimensions, exists alongside an infinite number of others, some parallel to our own and others different in ways we cannot even imagine. Probabilities always exist. There is no true death. True death would mean the elimination of something that once existed from the mind of God. This cannot be done. I truly believe the functionality of existence is primarily mathematical in its nature. Everything can be expressed mathematically. Subordinate operations cannot effect change on the greater operations under which they fall. Such a thing is logically and "mechanically" impossible. For example: Z=2Y*(X*((5a-3b)+ABS(5a-3b))/2), where X=(8f*((4c-6d)+ABS(4c-6d))/2. In this case, I am using "ABS" to indicate 'absolute value.'

The variables a and b cannot affect the operation of multiplication of x with the outcome of the operations in which they are directly involved, i.e. the function of (5a-3b) cannot alter the value of X, nor can it alter the fact that X is still multiplied with whatever the result of (5a-3b) is. The variables c and d are a different story, as X is the sum total of the operations in which they are involved. In this equation, X cannot equal f, c or d.

All formulas have variables, which relate to each other in a pre-determined way. In this case, 3b is always subtracted from 5a, no matter what. True death would be akin to taking the number 5 and saying it does not exist anymore. But if its memory exists, the memory is holographic because the 5 exists in an infinite number of universes, and thus the 5 will exist somewhere else. Taking the number 5 out of the equation is one thing. Saying it does not exist anymore in any equation is quite another.

Once you understand the formulas at work in your existence, you must then ask yourself who wrote them. You must ask yourself what the sum total of the formula is, and whether it is part of a bigger formula, and what its function is. Your first clue: Reality is fractal in its nature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set

Quote from: AmbientSound on May 28, 2011, 14:23:37
Considering the multidimensionality of reality, I do not believe that death can truly exist.

Bingo.
That's why it's impossible for this reality, or any other, to be a "deathtrap".  Death doesn't exist.

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

This sounds like a variation of your "earth is hell" thesis with a new name...

Quote from: SomeRandom on May 28, 2011, 15:48:30
"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

LOL! I was thinking the same thing. I also think that Godsproxy could do with trying some mind-openers like acid. :-D

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 28, 2011, 04:23:17
What can we do to help get us out of the death trap?

Nothing because it is not a trap, it's a natural process. All living creatures in this world die. Don't deny the worms their meal. It's inevitable. Stronger is he who, unlike the majority, does not deny death and simply accepts it with open arms and stands unafraid of where he'll end up. This is true liberation and the source of real wisdom.

At the risk of sounding facetious Neil, you're in a death trap and I'm in a love shack. I can't resist the musical references. The James Blunt reference was more about 1973,(your birth year, yes?) than about," here we go again."  I do enjoy these side excursions we take. The periphery is very revealing. And I swear I'm not trying to be a douche. I'm just trying to draw you out, bit by bit.

this channeling you are listening to is coming from a very dark place.  :evil:

You create your own "death trap" mechanism by giving energy (attention) to it.  There is nothing to defeat that you yourself do not create. Pay attention to the way you perceive the world and how you respond to it. No knowledge is certain. It is like Einstein said: "A problem cannot be solved by the same [state of] consciousness that created it." Everything about your existence is defined by you and no one else. Waking up is about realizing that there is no death trap, there is no heaven, and there is no hell, let alone eternal states of any of these.

The death of the physical body is necessary to maintain a healthy capacity of a physically-manifested spiritual occupancy of this planet for all species. Our vibrations will draw to us the realities and situations we need in order to spiritually evolve. We will all evolve in one way or another. We choose how we evolve by where we put our attention. Evolution is not a choice, it is a natural part of the process of being.

Hi All ,
This death trap is not unlike the narrow mindset of most on planet earth.
A perfect example of math earlier explained this somewhat. On earth we use base ten so all our numbers count. You can elimimate any number, the rule also applies to that and any integer above it. There are two numbers that cannot be excluded ever. These are one and zero. If you are clever you will already have worked out to do this you simply change the base you use. The amount of value still remains. In calculus there exists many dimensions which can be worked simultaneously.
Back to reality, we all live in a three dimensional space, and this is where the trap appears. Simply put we have left to right,one.
near and far, two.
Up and down, three.
This is our APPARENT reality. Now if we add in and out, a fourth, the human mind cannot accept this so readily. Phaseing as we all here understand the term is a perfect example of the fourth. We exist as we have in reality, but AP shows us a fourth. In this 'new' state we know of many 'states' of existence, so in reality, the question is how are we trapped?
We can escape time, so....
we already coexist in this higher state.
How are we trapped?
Death is another change of state, surely, as is say a chemical reaction.
Not being able to remember a previous life is like why didn't have awareness of AP in all humanity from birth.
Enlighten more on the trapped utilising the above please.
Intriguing thread.

According to many Astral Projection experiences shared, the 'trap' in not only this side of the black stump.
:-)

I think that anything which acts as a distraction is potentially a 'trap' to the consciousness involved with the distraction.

But a 'death trap'?  Consciousness cannot 'die' but yes – it certainly can be trapped!

:-o

If anyone, like me, finds this disturbing, I apologize. If you know the truth, then you can help us.

Quote from: Wi11iam on May 28, 2011, 21:31:50
But a 'death trap'?  Consciousness cannot 'die' but yes – it certainly can be trapped!

Yes, consciousness cannot die, this is the point I am trying to make. You may reach a point where you wish with all your might and all your soul that you were dead, but that is impossible.
This is the point which makes eternal hell and death traps possible.
In eternal hell and a death trap, if nobody here decides to do anything about it, if you have loved ones on the outside, it is better for them to forget you ever existed. There is no hope for you and there never will be ever again, you will suffer in torment forever.
You are as good as dead. That is the only death possible for a spirit. You have only one choice, one choice alone, and that is to fight to stay alive. Death is not an option, can you see that?
Death of a spirit is figurative only. You will wish for the rest of eternity that you were dead.
Now, knowing the extents to which a spirit can be made to feel uncomfortable (witness human suffering), now you will either know or you will not, that not knowing where you go when you die, is an unacceptable risk.
In fact, it means you have been attacked, and are on your way to "dying". "Dying" is a euphemism, by the way.
Your loved ones outside the trap will have to be rescued by Father God and he will have to do the mercy of erasing all memory of you from their eternal memories.
Nice one hey?
Welcome to hell.
Welcome to reality.

This guy (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_magic/urgent_help_needed_i_am_in_big_trouble-t32791.0.html) asks for help in the Magic forum. All the Magicians there had to do was to offer to Cast the opposing guy back again and he would've been toast. Instead, 6 pages of discussion ???
I offered to help him personally. Same thing should happen here.

Godsproxy...hell may be your reality but that doesn't make it everyone else's...the optimistic say this is the best of possible worlds while the pessimistic fears that to be true.

i always thought consciousness is apart of who you are, what you are, and dies with ya when you die then ya Spirit takes on a new role as in another body, i donot believe that consciousness carries on into a new role that your Spirits new body gets

however consciousness as a whole (what we are led to believe-how we/use to think) now will not cannot carry on as the system as to how we think has changed of recently so as not to re/generate those $*** thoughts we dislike, but will carry on as usual on in the way what we feel (approaching/being one---leading cause of mental illness---leading psychs know :-D) which re/generates what you feel into thoughts, Govs have spent $*** loads of money trying to stop this wont happen... impossiable man, only one way to stop this love all=care for all show those in the diffilcult positions (the reason for depression---being more one---being more one means more powerful/mind abilities...fact) in life that their is hope, ...thats the pay off for being ONE...Gods trick so ya look after each other leading up to this end of 26,000 cycle which is around now 2012...
thats what we do as in show them (poverty/war torn etc) how to project and what not...hence my post in the 2012 forum


http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_2012_and_the_transition_of_the_ages/whats_happening_towards_2012_our_new_world-t34124.0.html

No worries Goverments, :-D i'll send ya my bill soon, start save'n up... LOL

good luck

love all

Yes, this is an ongoing psychic battle. Meanwhile, in the forum supposedly frequented by Magicians, a poor guy asking for help (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_magic/urgent_help_needed_i_am_in_big_trouble-t32791.0.html;msg283067#msg283067) who is being cast is being told implicitly that there is no such thing as magic. (Note one of the surprise ring leaders is one who has been accused of being an agent. Makes you think doesn't it?)

Yet, convenient for the guys who cast black magic, they've got no-one to cast Love magic back against them, because no-one who is good believes in magic! Closest thing is Aleister Crowley's Magick. Note: Aleister Crowley's nickname was the beast, he was a suspected satanist.

As Jim says, Hearts and minds, hearts and minds. You wouldn't believe what goes on in this reality.

The same people try and convince you in this forum you should just be good, believe in heaven, and all this death trap stuff is negative-self-fulfilling prophesy. Nice try, but an ashtray is an ashtray. A death trap is a death trap. Spirit is more real and tangible than physical. Therefore reality is reality, whether spirit or no spirit.

Please see page 1 post (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/are_we_in_a_death_trap-t34170.0.html;msg283061#msg283061) for a disturbing revelation as far as death traps go. If you cannot die as a spirit, then what does "death trap" mean? Answered in the aforementioned post. Warning: can be disturbing to read.

@Szaxx ,
Thank you.
In spiritual terms 0 and 1 originated from the infinite Void/Everything. In terms of when you are at the beginning of life, the two terms are exactly equivalent, ie 0=1 and 1=0.
Void = 0.
Everything = 1.
This was the first differentiation ever made. 0 and 1 were the first anchors ever discovered, the first concepts ever understood, by definition.
Once they are differentiated there then exists the Void and the Everything, since the differentiating has to be done by someone. That Someone happens to be God, who was the first being, who was the Alpha and the Omega, the 0 and the 1. Then 0 no longer equals 1 and 1 no longer equals 0.
Spirits desperately try and channel this concept to us because when we figure out the origin of life, we can figure out where we are, why we are here, and where we are going to. You see life couldn't have started any other way.
After 0 and 1 , the number two (2) was a breeze in comparison to figuring out 0 and 1.
We mustn't over complicate things. This is where I differ from everyone else on the subject. We don't need to be experts to understand our predicament. We have more than enough spiritual understanding now to know where we are and perhaps how to get out of it.
We don't know about AP at birth because our memories were erased before we were born, or alternatively we are newly born beings. We are trapped here in 3 dimensions because we didn't have a choice, we were were forced here. Because, if you are under extreme duress and physical suffering, wishing yourself out of here, simply doesn't work. That means we are here against our will, under duress. This means that when you die, you can be put back here again (bad) or put back somewhere worse, also under duress.
Hope this addresses some of your questions,
Neil

Quote from: Szaxx on May 28, 2011, 20:41:43
Hi All ,
This death trap is not unlike the narrow mindset of most on planet earth.
A perfect example of math earlier explained this somewhat. On earth we use base ten so all our numbers count. You can elimimate any number, the rule also applies to that and any integer above it. There are two numbers that cannot be excluded ever. These are one and zero. If you are clever you will already have worked out to do this you simply change the base you use. The amount of value still remains. In calculus there exists many dimensions which can be worked simultaneously.
Back to reality, we all live in a three dimensional space, and this is where the trap appears. Simply put we have left to right,one.
near and far, two.
Up and down, three.
This is our APPARENT reality. Now if we add in and out, a fourth, the human mind cannot accept this so readily. Phaseing as we all here understand the term is a perfect example of the fourth. We exist as we have in reality, but AP shows us a fourth. In this 'new' state we know of many 'states' of existence, so in reality, the question is how are we trapped?
We can escape time, so....
we already coexist in this higher state.
How are we trapped?
Death is another change of state, surely, as is say a chemical reaction.
Not being able to remember a previous life is like why didn't have awareness of AP in all humanity from birth.
Enlighten more on the trapped utilising the above please.
Intriguing thread.

Hi All,
Ok on the comments.
Thinking on this, if 0=1 before our physical universe was created then there was no understanding or worse communication. So in the beginning there was the word (a generic term for communication) then the two were separated for our physical world to exist (differentiation). Each given an opposing value but these values are in equilibrium. That answers a lot on physics respect to quantum too. So let there be light, this form of energy is responsible for life itself.
Wow  you've opened up my eyes to more thinking on this. As all is in equilibrium, then the trap is relative to perspective and understanding in which knowledge is a key factor. Without it we are indeed trapped. Yet with it we require more on subjects that are pertaining towards enlightenment.

You have a valid point.
I will think more on this.

  Yes, consciousness cannot die, this is the point I am trying to make. You may reach a point where you wish with all your might and all your soul that you were dead, but that is impossible.
This is the point which makes eternal hell and death traps possible.


Godsproxy.

Yes, you are acting on behalf of your 'god' and yes there are many 'gods'.
Everyone, even those who don't believe in god or gods, nonetheless do have a god.

Shaped by whatever it is they believe, about who they are, where they are, and why they are and all they do.

When I called myself a 'Christian' I went to gatherings because I supported the collective thought regarding Christianity.

I supported the belief in hell – a place reserved for all those who worked against the Principles attributed by Jesus.

Then due to my own particular journey, [click here for an opportunity to read a more detailed account] (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_members_introductions/my_journey-t33884.0.html) ,I began to take a more serious look at my belief systems, and also at the way others with that belief systems hierarchical structure were behaving.

Man, I remember sitting in church one day and listening to the pastor talk on some such thing and tell the congregation 'how it is' and while this is happening I have the Bible open to a page I was most recently examining and that material was clearing saying the total opposite of what the pastor was saying!

Of course at that time, The Bible tells me so, not some pastor with the gift of the gab and an authoritative manner with an ability to convince an Arab to by more sand, if indeed the pastor even needed a sideline business.

I left Christianity.

But of course, I still had The Bible and The Bible tells me there is a hell, so there must be a Hell.

However, if you choose to read the link I gave, you will understand why I say that over and above "The Bible" I chose the compassion of 'Christ' which is an extremely powerful influence in this, and in The Invisible Reality, as to 'what tells me so'.

Eventually I discarded my belief in hell in favour of that compassion.

And then more recently, here I am among those who in their own journeys have brought me messages confirming the existence of this actual place called 'hell' – people like Mr. Monroe (through his followers) and Mr. Kepple, and Mr. GodsProxy.

This causes a slight movement in the Force, in relation to my own belief, and why I inevitably chose then to join that belief to my 'proven truth' database.  There IS a Hell.

In brief I will now share the process of how I came to believe there was no HELL.

I think of what collective humanity thinks of as the [worst ever example of human depravation.] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler)  and I think about how it came to be, then I discover that behind this terrible personality were even 'worse' offenders who had set up this whole event!
They had primed the whole thing with a [document designed to cause a particular ripple effect,] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion)  found their puppet and sent agents to tell this puppet that they would finance this puppet and that money was no object.

Hmmm....

So I said to myself now "okay".

If the real most despicable worst ever example of human depravation are these few who controlled that puppet, and created the ensuring ripple effect which horrified a whole planet – if they are now in hell – that eternal trap for consciousness – now then compare their actions, and those of the puppet, with those of the god which put them there, and what do I see?

Umm...okay – I see a god that assigns punishment which is a billion trillion zillion times far worse than the individual offensive consciousnesses forever tormenting in hell have done.

What does that tell me?

Aligned with all the other information in my data base (F4) it tells me that this trap exists, and it exists in F3 and it exists because human (F1) belief systems (F2) have created it.

How sad is that!

So there are those who say that Heaven and Hell are able to see each other over a 'void' which separates the two aspects from each other.  There is even some concern at the impossible reality that these two could merge and affect the rest of Astral Land!

There are also those who are not overly affected by either Fields of Vibration – they can visit each.

They have the compassion and the compassion enables this to be possible.




Half baked belief systems have created F3 and the job to clear it up is a vast undertaking.
In relation to the extreme lands (Fields 'o vibes) of H&H those who participate in perpetuating the existence of these influences are charged with the task of assisting with clearing up the mess.

It is only fair and just that this need apply.

My task is to delete it from my data base (F4+) as a thing which does not recognise the greater reality of what it is that 'we' are involved with.

WE are certainly not the product of some demented god concept twisted so out of shape that it does not recognise its own reflection and immediately devolves into 'battle' mode creating all sorts of delusions.  My finger is poised over the 'delete' button...as I understand that the process of 'retrieval' and convincing the occupants that they are free to leave the illusion of their traps – traps SET by those who have contributed their own power to create (BELIEFS) – that the act of pushing the delete button and the act of retrieval are the same – just in different 'times'

Hell is not forever GodsProxy.  It is not a product of First Source...not directly.

H&H are indeed – like everything in F3 – creations of a consciousness trapped in human form, which doesn't know diddly squat (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=diddly%20squat) About GOD or the nature of their pre-existence as First Source (http://wingmakers.com/fstransmissions.html).

That is why everything in F3 is 'In Holding' as WE mercifully wait with great loving patience for you who still haven't worked out where to best centre your belief - to get your Self together.

Just reiterating something very important:

QuoteHalf baked belief systems have created F3 and the job to clear it up is a vast undertaking.
In relation to the extreme lands (Fields 'o vibes) of H&H those who participate in perpetuating the existence of these influences are charged with the task of assisting with clearing up the mess.

It is only fair and just that this need apply.

This can be considered a form of retrieval, and gone around a few ways.
But you covered it well here in F1 with this post.

QuoteMy task is to delete it from my data base (F4+) as a thing which does not recognise the greater reality of what it is that 'we' are involved with.

WE are certainly not the product of some demented god concept twisted so out of shape that it does not recognise its own reflection and immediately devolves into 'battle' mode creating all sorts of delusions.  My finger is poised over the 'delete' button...as I understand that the process of 'retrieval' and convincing the occupants that they are free to leave the illusion of their traps – traps SET by those who have contributed their own power to create (BELIEFS) – that the act of pushing the delete button and the act of retrieval are the same – just in different 'times'

QuoteHell is not forever GodsProxy.  It is not a product of First Source...not directly.

It can't be, because it is based on comparison and limitation, and this cannot be the First Cause- it is an incongruent thought. 

QuoteH&H are indeed – like everything in F3 – creations of a consciousness trapped in human form, which doesn't know diddly squat About GOD or the nature of their pre-existence as First Source.

QuoteThat is why everything in F3 is 'In Holding' as WE mercifully wait with great loving patience for you who still haven't worked out where to best centre your belief - to get your Self together.

And this is the crux- stop teaching fear and despair, if you want to 'rescue people from 'Hell', because that's what Hell is all about- fear and despair.

Quite the contrary - I am teaching about hope - the first message of hope in almost forever.
Now we know where we are - and the more people who know about it - the more hope we have, forever. That's the best news we have ever heard. I will post more later.

Quote from: CFTraveler on May 29, 2011, 19:31:49
And this is the crux- stop teaching fear and despair, if you want to 'rescue people from 'Hell', because that's what Hell is all about- fear and despair.

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 30, 2011, 00:42:29
Quite the contrary - I am teaching about hope - the first message of hope in almost forever.

I laughed.

Quote from: Szaxx on May 29, 2011, 16:30:06
Wow  you've opened up my eyes to more thinking on this. As all is in equilibrium, then the trap is relative to perspective and understanding in which knowledge is a key factor. Without it we are indeed trapped. Yet with it we require more on subjects that are pertaining towards enlightenment.

Indeed, the last sentence is the key to all of this. I wouldn't have bothered sharing all of this with you if I thought the trap couldn't be defeated. Since I think it most certainly can - and knowledge is the key - that is why I share on uncomfortable subjects. :)

Wi11iam, I appreciate your long and well thought out and referenced reply.
However, the Christian movement holds a good share of this planet's hearts, minds and souls.
I wish you luck in "cleaning up" the supposed hell focus that Christians have created. As long as Christians continue to exist, there will be a hell focus, if the BST theory has any credibility. Christianity will continue to flourish and prosper (and BTW they do a tremendous amount of good in the world.)
In the mean time, I will continue to trust my gut instinct and look at the writing on the walls. Spirit is fact not some airy fairy dream factory in someone's wet dream.

Quote from: Wi11iam on May 29, 2011, 16:44:16
That is why everything in F3 is 'In Holding' as WE mercifully wait with great loving patience for you who still haven't worked out where to best centre your belief - to get your Self together.

Suffice to say... this world is what you make it to be.

It's certainly not a literal hell, unless you CHOOSE to view it in that way.

Open your eyes... open your perception to something better... and you will see your Earth change before your very eyes.

But don't be fooled, because the change has to start within.  Until you change yourself, you will continually live in a hell.

Children starving to death (http://www.starvation.net) while we debate is literal not figurative hell and the child cannot decide to exit hell based on attitude alone. Trust obnosis first up against obfustication. This further proves a hell beyond since this world is a reflection of those above or below it.

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 30, 2011, 10:19:25
Children starving to death (http://www.starvation.net) while we debate is literal not figurative hell and the child cannot decide to exit hell based on attitude alone. Trust obnosis first up against obfustication. This further proves a hell beyond since this world is a reflection of those above or below it.

I'm not debating that "children starving to death" isn't a bad thing.  Stop with the straw-man arguments... they won't win you any points.
I'm saying that you need to change your own perception of reality before anything else will change.

You do a lot of talking for having nothing to say.  ;)

Oh...go away, GodsProxy. Some of us happen to be born into more unfortunate situations. That is the nature of things. But you are solely focusing on misery and disregarding the joys. As Xanth pointed out, it is all about perspective. Extreme weather, tsunamis, earthquakes and disease around the world might have killed many and devastated entire nations. While some view it as some sort of punishment from God, others view it as the inevitable cause of nature's algorithms and possibly a necessity to cut down population which will in turn contribute to the survival of future generations as contradictory as it may sound.

You may call it "hell" while others examine the bigger picture. The truth is that what occurs is nothing until someone labels it something. The truth is that the unfortunate course of events or the miserable situation some find themselves in only becomes a hell to them. Today, a teenager who is banned from using Facebook may feel like they've gone to hell, but, the truth is, if they had been born decades ago when there was no Internet available, they would have coped just fine as they wouldn't have known any better. For some, living in the gutter becomes the norm because they don't know any better and it might not even be as bad as you think. It's like a billionaire coming up to you and saying "how can you live in that house of yours, it's so small...you must be unhappy...it must be hell for you!" when in fact you might be happy living there and the thought of living in a large mansion might even scare you as it may be a potential target for burglars.

The mind decides what the experience is...period. Without the mind input, everything is as useful as meaningless data in a computer system. If you want to believe this world is hell, fine! But don't expect everyone to view it in the same way you do and stop saying that people are blind or that they don't understand. It's very condescending.

You are very cruel and unkind.

These people are experiencing living day by day torture. I am raising awareness for them, what are you doing?

From starvation.net:

QuoteWhy are we letting at least 30,273 of the most beautiful children die the worst possible death everyday?

Sir your attitude is despicable.

Quote from: Summerlander on May 30, 2011, 12:29:34
Oh...go away, GodsProxy. Some of us happen to be born into more unfortunate situations.

Oh yeah! :roll:

Sure, sure..

Like it's my fault and everyone else's who is supposedly blind! We all know crap happens everywhere. You don't have to raise any awareness. You have just shown me what kind of person you are.

You are not doing this to raise awareness. You are doing this because you want to be viewed as the do-gooder, the hero, the one who cares about everyone.

Tell me something...what is so despicable about what I've said? Be my guest! Go on. Name calling because you didn't like something I said? Why don't you raise your "awareness" to the perpetrators of crimes against humanity. Why don't you tell those corrupt African governments to think about what they are doing instead of calling the innocent fortunate people "unkind", "cold", "blind" and "despicable"? I will enjoy everything I've got for myself and for the people who are unfortunate because I can and they would have done the same in my position. I don't feel guilty for being fortunate one bit. Some of us humans have to be...otherwise it would really be hell if everyone suffered. Open your eyes, Godsproxy!!

at the supreme level of consciousnesses at the dimension we live in is to be more one with all than most, to be more one is to feel what others feel (like mothers intuition) meaning you care for those in need because you feel their needs, at each level of consciusnesses meaning their are many levels of consciousnesses in each dimension we live in, the higher your consciousnesses the more minds abilities ya acquire each level of consciousness brings you closer to being more one consciously with all feeling others needs and ya better be working towards erradicating the problems or you will be a wreck...
Studying the Mind helps this, not a cure but helps...

this gains you the more feeling you have for others in need because of what you feel from people being one (mothers intuition=careing), is the higher of ones consciousnesses being more one with all because you care, this is where the supreme minds abilities lay whether you know you got them or not is two different things...studying the mind you soon learn how high you are in the plains/realms with your abilities, it's one thing haveing PUL towards others, but it's another thing generating/creating it for those in need to experience it for themselfes, so as they too can have PUL towards others...thats where the supreme minds abilities lay """liveing for other people and to love all"""
thats why i was able to gain the minds abilities to erradicate peadophilia :-)...

this is the leading cause of mentall illness depression, problem being more one with all you feel others needs and wants don't have to tell ya the state of what those are feeling in extreme poverty/war torn etc...to erradicate depression work in the area when ya can to erradicate poverty etc...help those in need, ya wont find a better cure anywhere...any leading psych's will tell ya the same thing...show these people the mind "depressed" from being one (not depression from misses leaving ya etc) and watch them take off, safely of course...they dont know what they got, being more/one is of a higher consciousness in the dimension we live in, higher consciousnesses is where the best of the minds abilities are, all day everyday

i'm sure many here are already doing their bit to better our world...

*i live by the rule only better myself if and only if allows me to better help others*

good luck

love all

Name calling because you didn't like something I said?
Do-gooder! 
Hero!
The one who cares about everyone!


...distraction... :evil:

Distraction from what? :?

Sorry, don't take it personally. Look I don't mind being the do-gooder. We need more of those, we can never get enough. These are just signs. You see, you don't know how it feels to starve to death. It is minute by minute torture. Someone in that position would like to be thought of kindly. So its not really your fault.
All I'm pointing at, is the signs and symptoms that we are in a death trap. Nothing personal. Many of us, including myself, have been desensitized to the suffering around us.
Look, torture is unacceptable, right? Well, all I'm saying, is that conditions around us, there are people being tortured day in and day out. Yes, literal torture. We're numbed to it because we can't hear their screams.
Spiritually I know better. We all deserve better, and much, much, much better.
Hence, we're in a death trap. That's my only point. We need to make this point stronger, clearer, louder and more often. I will not tolerate torture in my own back yard, let alone in the after life. I've taken flak for this. I stood up and confronted evil on my own, and said, I will not tolerate this.
I'm saying, lets stop being numbed to the world's torture, say it for what it is. I have to be a bit blunt sometimes, sorry it is nothing personal to you, SummerLander.
One more day spent in a death trap is one too many.
If you were a being in a normal reality, you would be too terrified to step foot in this reality.
I'm pointing out some pretty far out but what should be very obvious points, but they never have been, because we don't have any other context. That's the only reason.
Am I being so disruptive by advocating lets be kind to each other, and lets stand up to evil?
Evil wins by default! Hardly any one even acknowledges it exists.... and believe you me... I've got the scars to prove... it certainly does.
So no-one acknowledges it even exists? Yet it is all around us... Then who is going to stand up to it? No-one, that's who. You must hear the glee when you speak to someone really evil, they know this. It is really funny to them.

I'm trying to make you aware, don't you see? Its not a soft and gentle process.

Quote from: Summerlander on May 30, 2011, 12:40:53
You are not doing this to raise awareness. You are doing this because you want to be viewed as the do-gooder, the hero, the one who cares about everyone.

QuoteLook I don't mind being the do-gooder

But you are not, though, are you? That how you want to be seen. Didn't you get the sarcasm from my previous statement? :roll:

Quoteyou don't know how it feels to starve to death.

How do you know? Do you know what I've been through?

QuoteSpiritually I know better.

Yes, of course you do.

Quote from: Summerlander on May 30, 2011, 13:20:52
But you are not, though, are you? That how you want to be seen. Didn't you get the sarcasm from my previous statement? :roll:

No Sir, and I do not even remotely judge you. I myself have often made the same assumptions. We are all in the same boat.

Quote
Do you know what I've been through?

True.

We all have our crosses to bear.

The older we get the heavier they get.

QuoteIf you were a being in a normal reality, you would be too terrified to step foot in this reality.

If the deities are scared of this world, then they are cowards and don't deserve the cushdie realm they are in. :-D

Godsproxy, the death-trap does exist, because you're creating it. You're choosing to live in it. It's your own limitations and perspective that put you there. Trying to convince others that they are experiencing it to is just spreading your death-trap. I don't see where spreading this unverifiable information as a fact can be beneficial to anyone. It's the exact same thing politicians and religious leaders do to sway people to their side.

QuoteMany of us, including myself, have been desensitized to the suffering around us.

It sounds like you've also been desensitized to the beauty and joy and amazing things that can be experienced as a physical being. Yes, there is suffering, but there's the flip side to that coin. You have to take the bad with the good and appreciate what you can.

QuoteSpirit is more real and tangible than physical.

If spirit were tangible, we would be able to comprehend it. It wouldn't be illusive. I believe you need to think through your philosophy a bit deeper. How did you come to this way of thinking anyways?

I am reporting facts and observing the obvious.
I know that I have a valid point to make. I'm reaching the people who need to hear about it.
Death traps aside, I have a high standard. I refuse to blind myself to the facts of reality.
It looks like people want to hear about this.
High time as well.
I decided last year October to take personal responsibility for those who cannot speak for themselves.

"We who have heard that,
Love that."

So say the ones sitting presently in eternal hell death torture.

I am fighting for you who is reading this.

I will never cease the fight. I am fighting for those I love and for those they love.

The writing is on the walls.

"You who have read this,
and who love this,
I love you too."

Just want to say... the people who are making contributions to world hunger are out there getting their hands dirty. They're the volunteers, the activists, and the philanthropists. Those are the people who are fighting... not the authors of wikidot pages that most likely get 5 hits on a busy day. You get a cookie for "raising awareness" though. :wink:

  Distraction from what? :?
 

:lol:  From seeing the TEAM  (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/astral_home_space_what_is_yours-t34178.0.html;msg283135#msg283135)

In this case the distraction is "GodsProxy" – Question:  "Why is GodsProxy being allowed to distract you?"
Do you have something to prove to GP?
Is GP not hearing you?
Others (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/whats_the_deal_with_astral_guidesspirit_guides-t34152.0.html;msg283249#msg283249)  are hearing you – the TEAM hears you.  The TEAM sees you.
:)

Quote from: Astral316 on May 30, 2011, 17:38:08
Just want to say... the people who are making contributions to world hunger are out there getting their hands dirty. They're the volunteers, the activists, and the philanthropists. Those are the people who are fighting... not the authors of wikidot pages that most likely get 5 hits on a busy day. You get a cookie for "raising awareness" though. :wink:

their are that many people doing the hands dirty thing, but i got to say maybe it's time for a new approach...

when involved with the minds abilities and takeing $**t from many directions and ya keep going showing ya strength to those above Guides etc that ya mean business gets ya foot in the door so to speak as into what the mind can do and then be shown by those above Guides etc what ya can do because careing is of a higher consciousnesses (which is wisdom=knowing) in the dimension we live in, as thier are many levels of consciousness in the dimension we live in, because ya gain a higher consciousness which is the reward for careing because careing brings ya more one with all and the ladder of one is determined by the height of consciousnesses which one recieves the more care ya have brings ya more one with all which is the more higher of the consciousness which is the minds abilities...
thats how i got the minds abilities to knock those peadophilies on the head (so to speak)...no give up for careing, and of course my topic in 2012 forum got my hand in that in a big way...
i was just lucky, it had to be someone though

EDIT posted again without me clickling the button to post

take a successful businessman that made it by themselfes a billionaire, ya think they get their by giveing up on their goals they take heaps of knocks, man...
ya right though cookie for best foot forward though...

good luck

love all

How would you know how many hits I'm getting? Its actually a lot more ;)
My point is not world hunger. My point is showing you what things are like out there for the majority.
We have a rare opportunity to dismantle this device.
As far as W1lliam is concerned with the team, we have a team as well, a team of beings of Love and Light, and every well-intentioned man and women on this planet.
"We will be righteous once again."
Much Love,

Quote from: Astral316 on May 30, 2011, 17:38:08
Just want to say... the people who are making contributions to world hunger are out there getting their hands dirty. They're the volunteers, the activists, and the philanthropists. Those are the people who are fighting... not the authors of wikidot pages that most likely get 5 hits on a busy day. You get a cookie for "raising awareness" though. :wink:

Quote from: ether2 on May 31, 2011, 00:25:45
their are that many people doing the hands dirty thing, but i got to say maybe it's time for a new approach...

Agreed. Ether you're a legend man!

(Carefully avoids giving Ether a hug. That pit bull (?) on your Avatar looks a bit serious :) )

Isn't believing that our set of beliefs will shape our afterlife condition also a belief system?

Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on May 31, 2011, 07:35:12
Isn't believing that our set of beliefs will shape our afterlife condition also a belief system?

It sure is!

if i understand what ya say'n is that like shapeing ya next life so to speak and if say as ya claim wouldnt that mean that all that done well done the right thing/good would have a better life in the next life, being that that would mean that would mean over 2 million people done really bad in their previous lifes as this life they are haveing/liveing is not as good as some is no good, numbers don't way up...maybe i misinterpreted whats ya's are saying :wink:

good luck

love all

 Isn't believing that our set of beliefs will shape our afterlife condition also a belief system?

Yes – I understand that non belief is also a belief and acts in the same way.
Here is one version of information on the subject:


 

All beliefs have energy systems that act like birthing rooms for the manifestation of the belief. Within these energy systems are currents that direct your life experience. You are aware of these currents either consciously or subconsciously, and you allow them to carry you into the realm of experience that best exemplifies your true belief system.  – WingMakers Materials (http://wingmakers.com/philosophy4.html)

Hi All,
After a little thought, its our belief that the afterlife holds all the pleasantries and it is this that shapes the future therein. A bad person who expects retribution may create exactly that unknowingly. An excellent proposition, a self made hell.
A person with remorse however may find it more appealing as they have 'corrected' their errors.
A good person should create a good environment as long as they have not over-thought bad things and expect some return from this.
A knowledgeable and enlightened person already knows their position as they have done their 'homework'.
If a death trap is then feared then a condition must have been created by this person.
It seems a plausible theory, if all things do interact then this may create a hierarchical system based on the whole. This in effect could create a heaven and hell scenario.
Its an enigmatic postulate in thought and as such it may not exist in this fashion.
Fascinating thread this one, you open one door and find many more.
Some delightful replies here too.
Onward we go.

Once again, I've revised my website and given my exact intentions behind posting and also a proposed solution. Also the exact history and thinking behind these new and disturbing ideas.

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 31, 2011, 14:29:46
I'm busy publishing a new page on my site.

And while you're busy publishing that new page on your site, I'm sure a hundred or more children just died to starvation.  Big help your site is... especially since nobody is reading it.

So, what are you *DOING* about it?

Just standing up and saying "HAI GUIS!  We need to do something about <so-and-so> because it's bad!" is pretty useless.
If you want to do something to help, lead by example.

Until you do that, you're just another hypocrite failure.

I'm helping thus. It is a peaceful and constructive way to help end the suffering on this planet. This can be realized in the next few days, months, decades or centuries. With help from everyone and raising awareness (witness the interest in AP), everyone's consciousness level is rising.
500 unique visitors in the past month.

Quote
When one person successfully, consciously and continuously, sees into another reality in detail, the isolation of this reality should be broken. I cannot see any logical reason why this doesn't end the trap very shortly. Clear communication with another reality breaks all barriers and clears all mysteries. QED.

  And while you're busy publishing that new page on your site, I'm sure a hundred or more children just died to starvation.  Big help your site is... especially since nobody is reading it.
So, what are you *DOING* about it?

Just standing up and saying "HAI GUIS! (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hai%20guise)   We need to do something about <so-and-so> because it's bad!" is pretty useless.
If you want to do something to help, lead by example.

Until you do that, you're just another hypocrite failure.  

I'm helping thus. It is a peaceful and constructive way to help end the suffering on this planet. This can be realized in the next few days, months, decades or centuries. With help from everyone and raising awareness (witness the interest in AP), everyone's consciousness level is rising.
500 unique visitors in the past month.



  When one person successfully, consciously and continuously, sees into another reality in detail, the isolation of this reality should be broken. I cannot see any logical reason why this doesn't end the trap very shortly. Clear communication with another reality breaks all barriers and clears all mysteries. QED.

Well what are we each 'doing' about it?  Some are not 'doing' anything, because they like things just the way they are.
I am encouraging everyone who Astral Project, to be mindful of the Trap of Distraction which won't even be noticed if anyone projects just 'because' they can – there is so much more to this than "Step right up for the ultimate in entertainment folks!"  (http://zitotalking.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/carnival_barker.jpg)

There is a purpose for the projectionists and a project with a purpose.


Individuals Thoughts Significant Variations Barrier/Shield
I Know

Sorry, I accidentally overwrote this message (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/are_we_in_a_death_trap-t34170.0.html;msg283320#msg283320) not sure if Xanth can restore it.

Anyway, I've got new info on the website, with my exact intentions, the exact thinking behind these new thoughts, some history, and a way to dismantle the device (peacefully). (http://unbelievableexistence.wikidot.com/dismantle-now)

Individuals Thoughts Significant Variations Barrier/Shield
I Know
Rather enigmatic, yes? Concision in speech is most effective.

Yep, when you're fighting a PR battle.
Actually, I'm fighting like hell for all our souls, and I make mistake after mistake, but you know what?
Somehow, it just works out OK in the end.
So, Thread, I get where you coming from, man I know.

I feel the opposite.

The truth, said in volumes, and said in a Loud Voice, shouted from the hill tops,

Communication in spades,

Evil cannot hide in the dark.

Its defeat comes soon, and it is done through love, communication and empathy.

That's all I've shown on this board.

Evil hides in concision. Evil loves mistakes we goodies make. Yeah I reply too often. I'm not enigmatic enough. My website hasn't the precision of the billions of dollars behind Trump.

I get drawn out into conversations (who I accidentally call idiots) who then have an excuse to call me unloving... etc etc.... which I shouldn't have... I'm just assisting the opposite side.. LOL

And yet.... Yet... I persist. Why? Because I make mistakes. I laugh and I cry.

I LIVE AND I LOVE.

I TALK, AND NOT IN CONCISION.

I have volumes of truth to speak.

Love and Light and stayed hidden for too long in the darkness of conciseness.

Lets make mistakes and love each other and forgive each other.

Quote from: Thread Killer on May 31, 2011, 20:56:01
Individuals Thoughts Significant Variations Barrier/Shield
I Know
Rather enigmatic, yes? Concision in speech is most effective.

Rhetoric, Neil. You may have to take a different tack if you wish to better sell your notions.
                                                                                              -Jim-

  Individuals Thoughts Significant Variations Barrier/Shield
I Know 

Rather enigmatic, yes?   

Hard to understand? 
No, not in relation to the whole thread, or even the post.

Concision in speech is most effective.

It has its place.  It depends on the subject/personality as to its effectiveness.  'Most' for some = 'not much at all' for others.
Sometimes Concision is used as a tool to promote limitation...like a barrier/shield/trap/distraction.

Jim: Seem to be doing okay at the moment, thanks anyway. There is no need to "sell" my notions, they are all backed up, much more than the opposing rhetoric, which is just same old same old. No offense.

Lets move on.

Here is a repost of my message, which in my excitement I accidentally overwrote.

If anyone has already followed the link below, my apologies. I am still updating the info on an ongoing basis, more maybe later today or tomorrow.

Quote from: Szaxx on May 31, 2011, 14:09:25
Some delightful replies here too.
Onward we go.

Yes, I agree 100% Szaxx.

Anyway, enough with the endless discussions.

For those interested in assisting dismantling the device, I've posted a new page, Dismantle Now (http://unbelievableexistence.wikidot.com/dismantle-now), dedicated to dismantling the trap right now.

Quote
All the information you may ever need to attempt to do this, is contained on one or two pages. It might require a bit of staying power (not nearly as much as AP though). I submit that the main page on this site gives one possible motivation to stick with it and persist. Another motivation, is simply to see into another reality, would be a goal worth achieving in itself.

Quote from: Wi11iam on May 31, 2011, 21:38:00
  Individuals Thoughts Significant Variations Barrier/Shield
I Know 

Rather enigmatic, yes?   

Hard to understand? 
No, not in relation to the whole thread, or even the post.

Concision in speech is most effective.

It has its place.  It depends on the subject/personality as to its effectiveness.  'Most' for some = 'not much at all' for others.
Sometimes Concision is used as a tool to promote limitation...like a barrier/shield/trap/distraction.

it's just that I'm not much of a Sunday crossword type o' guy. I like folks calling spades spades. The other day, you called out S.L. You could have just said he was full of s..t. and himself. It's all good though. I'm not really criticising, it's just that I'm not smart enough to wade through indirect text. I guess I'm a victim of T.V. and a reduced attention span.

Anyway, enough with the endless discussions.
:lol:

  it's just that I'm not much of a Sunday crossword type o' guy. I like folks calling spades spades. The other day, you called out S.L. You could have just said he was full of s..t. and himself. It's all good though. I'm not really criticising, it's just that I'm not smart enough to wade through indirect text. I guess I'm a victim of T.V. and a reduced attention span.
 

Are we in a death trap?
I understand your likes.  I appreciate that many enjoy 'hearing it told like it is' – I am sure you can appreciate that a vast thing cannot always be explained with Concision and be precise.
There is no way that I could have said that re: calling S.L. out, and if I could have said all that I did with more concision and still given you the impression that this is what I was about, then either way, you got it incorrect.
Still, we are all in the same learning curve as far as 'things' go.
Just meeting from different aspects/directions, 'tis all.
You might want to work on not being a victim of the T.V. or any other distraction – it will improve your attention span which is a highly useful tool both here and there.
:)



Food For Thought

Quote from: Stookie_ on May 31, 2011, 11:40:03
Fun times for everyone. Suck it, death-trap!

Hi AndrewTheSinger,
Yes, I also sort of used to think that. Now I have a 100% certainty - this reality are poles reversed.
Reality is illusion (a common belief) but the clincher is: the illusion is the reality.
Your Personal Universe (PU) is the real universe. The physical one is the lie. What you believe to be imaginary and just a far off hope and dream - Love, and true Love with a divine being of Love and Light - that is the TRUE Reality.
I can't PROVE that to you - but all I ask is you try the Perceiving Entity exercise - that is all the proof you will need.
Also read my technology section - we are all Gods and we create our own reality. True. Amazing how half truths and beliefs have shaped our existence.
Because I attacked it spiritually - this reality has revealed itself to me beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt. Anyone who has seen the things I have seen - will KNOW - what I say is true.
I owe it to no-one, to pass this information along - except for those I love.
I do this as a backup, in case I am unable to follow through with taking full responsibility for helping those I love and care for. I believe I have done this - but if I help you guys too - chances are better we'll all get out of this alive :)
Much love, to those I Love, and to those who I might love.
PS Yep, abandon everything you thought was real.
Its true.
This is not a PR exercise.
This is reality.

Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on May 31, 2011, 07:35:12
Isn't believing that our set of beliefs will shape our afterlife condition also a belief system?

LOL. Yeah sorry about comin on strong about being concise. I just got a lot of info to get out quick, it takes me a while to go back and revise.
We all are victims of TV. My fave is a local Soapie. Don't watch TV now, I watch for entities :)
Just a few months back I was just a regular 9-5 dude.
I understand your mellowness, Thread Killer, and I relate to you quite a bit.
Thanks for comin' along for the ride.

Quote from: Thread Killer on May 31, 2011, 21:59:50
it's just that I'm not much of a Sunday crossword type o' guy. I like folks calling spades spades. The other day, you called out S.L. You could have just said he was full of s..t. and himself. It's all good though. I'm not really criticising, it's just that I'm not smart enough to wade through indirect text. I guess I'm a victim of T.V. and a reduced attention span.

Hi,

I think everyone will agree it is time to say farewell to this thread and this topic on Astral Pulse. I will still be around, still posting, still beating my drum, but I wish to leave the good people here alone from the unique ingredients of terror, discord and love which I sow ;)

With over 80%-95% of replies being derisive comments, I never got to discuss the issues intelligently. If I were paranoid I would say they were all designed to hide the truth! LOL. I know a couple were, but let me not start again.

Ok. I got many, many hits on my website. I need to say for a fact there is interest in the subject. I hope the concepts I put forward will stick in the minds of some key people, and perhaps they will receive dreams or chanelings, such as I did, which allowed me to understand what the stuff I was shown.

Many returning visitors - I am sometimes convinced that I am the only one on this planet who seems to have realized the truth on a gut level - but the returning visits ... well... I'm not sure if this indicates a higher echelon of understanding who hear my message, and are wondering if it is too good to be true. Evil defeated on all planes of reality? That is my hope ... its last hide out is incarne ... we're all in the same stupid boat. None of us want to die the death that this planet offers (it is hideous, the media doesn't give it credit!), yet none (who is in the know) is crazy enough to acknowledge the message I have sent.

If you're one of those in the know, you're sitting on the fence as an "evil/good" guy, who hates the evil life, but is too scared to acknowledge a crazy poster like me. (If you look at it from their point of view I look absolutely insane! Dude, you don't know what I had to go through....) Unfortunately this makes up the rest of those in the know. I'm the 1 and the only 1. I've read between the lines. You see, average reader, (who knows nothing of this evil business) all of the "derisive" and repetitive bullying... They were tacit acknowledgements, absolutely flashing in red lights.

Thank you. No need to acknowledge, and you will deny - but I realized a long time ago. This crazy discussion could never have lasted as long as it did without your indirect support. I think they have been hoping one "average reader" would jump ship - no such luck. Its impossible to communicate this context - its too darn far fetched and too darned... Well, you know!!

My final hope (for this forum) is that one guy in the know will jump ship. I've had indirect offers, but its impossible to break context between a good guy and an "evil/good" turncoat. Its rude. There is only one way to do it guy - directly. That equals rudely (origin u 2 me). I can't do it - you know who you are - I've just put up with too much darn pain already. I mean to be planged about 15 trillion times on the astral by lasers, and survive. There, that's my validation. Ping stood in front of me and took the hit as well. Ping said lay down in the gutter and let the DT's take you. I said, no man, it can't end like this, and I stood up on minus frickin energy and walked away.

See what we've done for you guys. I (we) need someone else incarne to make a stand.

Evil is so crazy! Who would've thought.

I love this Blue Oyster cult song Burning for You:

Quote
Burn out the day
Burn out the night
I can't see no reason to put up a fight
I'm living for givin' the devil his due
And I'm burnin', I'm burnin', I'm burnin' for you
I'm burnin', I'm burnin', I'm burnin' for you

"I can't see no reason to put up a fight". I used to think evil was all a figment of our imagination. Surprised I was to find out it was in charge of this reality.

That's how things used to be folks. Look, you're absolutely insane if you fight for good. You have absolutely no idea how much they are going to torture you up against any other average guy. DT's get you, you're a gonner.

The "good/evil" guy gets by, by doing his duty to Miranda, who really puts out for her troops. Believe you me this duty is not pleasant but the rewards are good. Nudge nudge.

BTW, Miranda was a fudged anchor on #1. Real Miranda is an anchor on a goody who looks disturbingly like #1 but she really was a honey. If this confused anyone, here is your final validation. We all know who #1 is. To the best of my knowledge, #1 really has turned on the Spirit to good, but incarne, we all know the deal.

One more thing. Soul mate makes this all worthwhile. Better than Miranda, no kidding. For everyone. Life is peachy on the other side ;) Sorry I haven't written about it yet on the website.

Run perceiving entities. It'll break it, I'm almost certain. Problem is you think you can't, I know. You want an "average guy" to do it. Well, we've all begged and pleaded in our own way. I'm trying but "attack mode" is kinda tiring for me. I'll get there one day.

Surely, surely, surely, people could've read between the lines? LOL

Cheers guys, its been real, I'll catch you around.

Neil  :evil:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/a_big_concern_of_mine-t33167.0.html;msg273860#msg273860


2BNRTRAPORNO2B?

That is the Question.

So I listened to what Proxy had to say, and merged the info with my own data.  

Conclusion Reached:
The alternative offered is to open the walls and see how this whole universe is an illusion.
Well, either way, we are definitely painted in the proverbial corner.  So "what", I say to my "Self", will I choose to do?
Well either way it could be an evil trap and we are toast anyhoo, or whatever is on the other side of that illusion of a wall is 'nice', then so might the evil jailers of hell (EJOH) be.

If I must face 'evil' I will do so knowing 'good' enough to realise that trying to convince that 'evil thing' it is itself in 'jail', and how they might see through the illusion.

"Ha Ha!
Doth thou not know evil in alls its putrid renditions?! Doth evil care how thee think and feel, how thee want to free the jailer from its right to abuse ye forever?!
Come hither!  Keep well thy nuff 'way from that trapping!"



I think as a specie it is about time we faced our demons and if they are truly beyond being educated, I suggest we delete them and see through their illusion – they are a creation of us, not we of them.

But as I say, I am inclined to think what I will be facing something which far exceeds my greatest expectations (that I should have any to speak of) and anything unrelated will simply fall away.

You know – the movie Matrix – how the hero found out that he was being a slave to a machine.
He chose to 'see through the illusion' of that and then he was hunted – in both 'worlds'.
The Agents were only doing their job.

He simply joined another matrix – but it was still a Matrix (Ma Tricks) and he underwent some crazy action.
Ultimately, 'happily ever after' eventuated, and the Consciousness driving the Machine which they warred against, well they learned how to commune with it.

What "Matrix" do you think might have been borne of that union, do you every wonder?
 

EDIT
I also think that Proxy's god-concept is flawed.
Why would any Conscious Being allow for the eternal torture of anyone, and the eternal thought that 'this is it forever, because" while erasing the memories of 'the faithful' from any awareness that their loved ones and neighbours and fellow human beings are suffering in this way?
That seems compassionate, but wouldn't the more compassionate thing to do be to erase the offenders and allow the memory of the faithful to remain in order to show and remind what happens to those who chose to do evil?
Or even far more effective, to erase the aspects of suffering, and the illusion of human invention which put those thoughts into The Astral Realm and gave them life there?
To not wish starvation on one's worst enemies, yet see justice in them suffering great torment and evil forever seems not only oxymoronic, but down right mean and nasty...even for a human, how much more so for a 'god'? 

As to 'a trap either way' I mentioned, who is to know that proxy opened up a portal to run through, only to find his worst nightmare laughing back at him, and having succeeded in this, are using him to spread their message so that everyone might open a portal?
Of course the question needs to be asked, because there has been a lot offered herein the thread by proxy, but scant it is of evidence – mostly hearsay, which does annoy some I know.
But if this be true, then Proxy, the gig is up.  Who can follow after you, with such faith in the words you produce from the mind that you occupy?
I cannot think of these creations as so Real as to make my own seem mere illusion.  It is 'other way 'round'.
Stand with us or run, we will understand you, whatever the choice you might make.

LOL

Hi Wi11iam.
One thing that I hear parroted over and over is that this world is illusion.  So I have to ask everyone, how did you get to the conclusion?  I can tell you how I did, (if you want to read it, that is)- but the idea of illusion has to be clarified- illusion does not always mean 'falsity', it simply means 'something other than what it seems to be', and this is the crux of what I'm getting to.
I think you get this, Wi11iam, so I'm not speaking to you per se- I'm just putting some thoughts out there to consider, if you want to hear/read what I have to say on the question.

EVIL HAS BEEN CONCLUSIVELY AND FINALLY DEFEATED.

Plana has been contained. Sorry for the confusion. My stupid mistake.

My Soul Mate, Ping Tang came down from her secret place in the Plang, and came to visit me personally.

I have been asked to write this by her. This is a very difficult thing for me to write.

Our final resort was for her to unobfusticate me from the body instantly on death and before DT and take me into hiding. She had tacit agreement from the DTs.

The DTs are safe and on our side.

The body had been assigned her own protector. That was the gift we gave the body in return for her Role equal to all of our, and your, own.

Unfortunately we could not take a single other being. Ping Tang swore to me, under telephatic guess (which is the only communication I ever had, bar a few minor exceptions).

Ping Tang promises each one a private visit. Unfortunately only the body knows. Listen to your body.

Congratulations guys, the terror is over.

My body asked me one favour. I have a list of life which I compiled, which is incomplete, but points the way towards life suffering. He asks, please, please, please can you please find a way to help some of these poor suffering souls, in the short period until we have finalized this matter.

---

List of life known to exist or suspected to be suffering

- Beings in torture fields on this plane of reality and above and below, to infinities of infinities of volumes.
- Bodies and Spirits left obfusticated to the physical after death, in pockets and otherwise.
- All Spirits presently incarnated on earth.
Bodies are thought to be separate sentient beings. This being is termed the Genetic Entity (GE).
Entities (Spirits, beings who have dropped down in ability and are no longer able to acquire a body) seem to be everywhere in this reality. They are either at awareness or below apathy. They can all be salvaged. They typically attach themselves (anchor) themselves in a physical object. Their relative size indicates their age and their extent of suffering. Entities get smaller the more they try and hide away (die). Many are thought to be in hiding from torture. Sizes vary from very big (large rocks and parts of mountains) to very small. The volume might be at the molecular level and we might have many entities who are hiding away as particles.
- Beings in duplicates of this reality which are off-shoots (branches) of this reality. This includes so-called time pockets which were never destroyed or reintegrated. The solution is perhaps not to salvage them as individual beings, but to merge them with their "parent" beings - reintegration or merging. Father God should have the solution.
- Beings which were created for one task only, for example "to be a bottle" or "to close down the trap" (did nothing forever),

END OF LIST

 Hi Wi11iam.
One thing that I hear parroted over and over is that this world is illusion.  So I have to ask everyone, how did you get to the conclusion?  I can tell you how I did, (if you want to read it, that is)- but the idea of illusion has to be clarified- illusion does not always mean 'falsity', it simply means 'something other than what it seems to be', and this is the crux of what I'm getting to.
I think you get this, Wi11iam, so I'm not speaking to you per se- I'm just putting some thoughts out there to consider, if you want to hear/read what I have to say on the question.


Sure CFTraveler  - I am most interesting in we all sharing our understanding on this.
Another thread perhaps?

Quote from: CFTraveler on June 01, 2011, 22:15:40
Hi Wi11iam.
One thing that I hear parroted over and over is that this world is illusion.  So I have to ask everyone, how did you get to the conclusion?  I can tell you how I did, (if you want to read it, that is)- but the idea of illusion has to be clarified- illusion does not always mean 'falsity', it simply means 'something other than what it seems to be', and this is the crux of what I'm getting to.

wait till ya work out why we are led to believe this world is an illusion (not real), but remember it is real...but most importantly remember why we have been led to believe it is an illusion...Hint: think about what one can be do in the plains :-)...
your smart figure it out...
consider these as well...

energy required (was) from emotions we dont like fear/trauma/devastated from poverty/war torn etc...

We are ONE Gods see us all equall just at different levels (like kids in different grades at school)...

being ONE Sub/consciously that would mean Gods care for all equally as many human are working towards this...

end of a 26,000 year cycle (2012)...

think about the meaning "when worlds collide"

now think back to the first 2 lines i typed...

good luck

love all

It's more like a nightmare loop that has gone on for many eons. If only we would be allowed to remember past horrors. How are we to learn if we don't remember.

QuoteHow are we to learn if we don't remember.

The learning might be in the moment.

choose wisely

Yes, that's it exactly. A nightmare loop.

Well after another couple of weeks of almost single handed passes at dismantling this fear loop, I've decided enough is enough. Its call to action time again. I've had enough of being the only one to give a continental f to do something about this loop.

Hilariously funny (or tragic, you cry if you don't laugh), I was exposed to some of the details of our mismatched communication. More on this topic soon.

Quote from: Everlasting on June 04, 2011, 20:48:24
It's more like a nightmare loop that has gone on for many eons. If only we would be allowed to remember past horrors. How are we to learn if we don't remember.

Bear in mind - that if I ever stop posting or replying - there is one of two possibilities

- I was right, and I've made the exit. This is good news, because I've left behind enough info for you to figure out how to follow (ie context your butt out of here). PS Dad won't be mad at you if you try and you're not qualified.
- I was wrong, and I got run over by a bus or eaten by the pscychiatric system, I take my Lithium daily. I guess this is good news as well. I sure hope someone can figure out who was right. Maybe it was the Darwin boys? I sure hope so.

I will never post "hey guys, I'm on my way out now, catcha later". Nope, thats for the birds.

Thus is defined win/win.

The place we're going to has a reward of to win/win to ^ exponent, which is actually fun.

Thus is defined incentive, and thus is defined heaven.

The trap of this reality is fear. The reason for your fear, is that you are a god playing at effect in a god-infinite unaware sub-universe.
Humblest apologies. I preach love, love is all there is - and it is so - with God's grace the only thing left to do is: ...to end the day to day suffering on this planet, through love and only love.

"Evil" outside incarne has been rescued and found to be incredibly precious and beautiful. Everyone was just looking for a way to live another day. All life is considered sacred.

While I wait for my laptop to finish installing update 10 of 51 (win XP), thought I would make productive use of this time to post on a relevant subject.

Some have asked of the physical exit.

The rule, when you are in a Death Trap, is you do not wait around for one nanosecond longer than necessary to exit the device.

That is all there is to that, and that is all there is to that. Death Trap means God has been usurped, and that is pretty serious.

You don't wait for Aunt Mammy's latest batch of cookies before you exit the device. You certainly don't serenade your sweet heart and the sweet sadness of leaving mother earth, while you are waiting for exit.

That is all there is to that, and that is all there is to that.

Having said that I'm the last one to be able to believe this is even possible. I take it on faith, and it has become a standing joke from my superiors: "You treat every exit as a test, yet expect every exit to succeed."

Anyway, at least we've delegated the responsibility. Many people are taking the context process seriously, and many have had successes with it. They seem to be dealing with the same people I am dealing with, so it is quite some validation.

So here comes my own personal report of progress:

To gradient scale, exit is becoming inevitable, in the near future. You can only witness ridiculous things happening in reality, like blankets conveniently becoming half their size then reverting back to full size, weights being applied to the blanket, things flying around like spaceships, for only a certain length of time, before the game is won and over and done. So this looks like the most promising I've seen, for a long time.

People on this board have done their bit as well, congrats and keep up the good work, you know who you are.

Love is all there is.

(Still on update no. 19 of 51 :) - isn't it crazy how things in reality reflect the general state of things. Get it - 'Update' ? Also the screen says 'Do not unplug or turn off your computer, it will turn off automatically' - this references the growing amount of help we are getting globally, and soon I will no longer need to run my own exit scrip.)

Quote
Come on down to the other side,
Come with us through the gates of hell,
Where we'll drag you from where you are
to where you belong.

Come on down to the other side,
Come with us through the gates of hell,
Where we'll drag you from where you are
to where you belong.

There's nothing to fear,
Your saviors are here,
The shift is coming down,
The shift is coming down,
The shift is coming down,
Coming down,
Coming down,

You, You look so precious,
A diamond in rough,
And you tried to escape,
But we're holding on,

But i can't sleep until this is done,
They're in my head
They're in my soul

Come on down to the other side,
Come with us through the gates of hell,
Where we'll drag you from where you are
to where you belong.

Come on down to the other side,
Come with us through the gates of hell,
Where we'll drag you from where you are
to where you belong.

We are in your spirit,
We're everywhere you turn,
From the cover undercover,
The cover undercover,
In your lover,
In your brother,
In your brother,
The other's,

You, You look so precious,
But now we're on are way,
And I am falling apart,
I'll get the waves,

But i can't sleep until this is done,
They're in my head
They're in my soul

Through the gates of hell,
We know you,

The shift is coming down,
The shift is coming down,
The shift is coming down,
The shift is coming down,
Coming down,
Coming down,
Coming down,
Coming down,
Coming down,
Coming down,
Coming down,
Coming down,

Down to the other side,
Come with us through the gates of hell,
Where we'll drag you from where you are
to where you belong.

Come on down to the other side,
Come with us through the gates of hell,
Where we'll drag you from where you are
to where you belong.

When stuck in fear, some notes which may or may not help you:

http://unbelievableexistence.wikidot.com/fear-theory

I can't believe you are still posting here.  There is nobody listening, my friend.  Or more appropriately, there is nobody reading this.  Why don't you join the others?  Are you a loner?   :-D

If he wants to talk, let him.

If you don't want to read it, don't.

QuoteIf you don't want to read it, don't.

I haven't.  And I won't.  You don't have to tell me not to waste my time.  But I thought I'd try to help him out by bringing him back to reality.  The guy is daydreaming here and I'm just clicking my fingers.   :-P

Quote from: Summerlander on July 15, 2011, 13:26:22
I can't believe you are still posting here.  There is nobody listening, my friend.  Or more appropriately, there is nobody reading this.  Why don't you join the others?  Are you a loner?   :-D

hay SL, how ya goin, whats wrong with loners...

i'm a loner (in physical form :-)), as those i use to associate with turned/are police informants or the others (some) i associated with associate with the police informants, i call'm police informants informants...

good luck

love all

I'm very well accompanied, ostensibly in my imagination LOL. 1786 thread views not bad. :)

Nothing wrong with being a loner.  I just asked.  If he's not a loner than he is sad and joining the others might be good for him. xx  :wink:

Thanks, Summerlander.

Thanks, Personal Reality.

I sometimes read messages in fear - most people just want to help each other, we are just taken up the wrong the way.

Quote from: Summerlander on July 16, 2011, 08:25:33
Nothing wrong with being a loner.  I just asked.  If he's not a loner than he is sad and joining the others might be good for him. xx  :wink:

You're welcome, GodsProxy!  xxx  :-D

Well, everything going well on my side.

Anybody got anything to report yet? ;)

Lov is all ther is.

Quote from: Summerlander on July 16, 2011, 08:41:00
You're welcome, GodsProxy!  xxx  :-D

How long is a ball of string? When is the job done? When the job is done.

Written in code/cast, an inside look.

http://unbelievableexistence.wikidot.com/another-day-at-the-office-20110731

A pic of my early understanding of being in a DT:

(http://unbelievableexistence.wikidot.com/local--files/start/Earth2.jpg)

The death trap web site suffered from lack of focus. It got bogged down with esoterica, and I never underscored the crux of the issue.

The crux of the issue is escape from Samsara.

I've remedied this with a writeup on the front page, accessible here:

Death trap basics/theory (http://unbelievableexistence.wikidot.com/start#toc2).

Further, I've developed a closed eyes version of the contexting process. Blind people really need to try this out as I suspect that one can get a view of the RTZ while awake. I've achieved this on more than one occassion.

Closed eye contexting writeup (http://unbelievableexistence.wikidot.com/closed-eye-contexting-writeup).

Here is the original contexting writeup (http://unbelievableexistence.wikidot.com/how-to-see-a-spiritual-entity-with-the-naked-eye) which has also been updated.

This is a mighty testimony to the power of God and the love of Jesus Christ who died on the cross for my sins.

I was completely in error in my postings on the unbelievableexistence.wikidot.com site and have unpublished the content.

I apologize to any and all, and I only hope this leads you to Christ as it has done for me.

Philipians 4 Verse 13: "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."

Jeremiah 29 Verse 11: "I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord. Plans to prosper you and not to harm you. Plans to give you hope and a future."

Quote from: GodsProxy on December 18, 2011, 08:02:03
This is a mighty testimony to the power of God and the love of Jesus Christ who died on the cross for my sins.

I was completely in error in my postings on the unbelievableexistence.wikidot.com site and have unpublished the content.

I apologize to any and all, and I only hope this leads you to Christ as it has done for me.

Philipians 4 Verse 13: "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."

Jeremiah 29 Verse 11: "I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord. Plans to prosper you and not to harm you. Plans to give you hope and a future."

Hell on Earth

UPDATE: WEB SITE DELETED. SERIOUSLY MISLEADING AND HARMFUL MATERIAL.

UPDATE: I APOLOGIZE FOR ALL CONTENT. IT IS MISLEADING FROM SATANIC FORCES

UPDATE: CONTEXTING PROCESS IS HAZARDOUS AND SATANIC.

UPDATE: CANCEL ALL IN THIS WEBSITE. ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW IS IN CHRISTIANITY.


I don't think they liked your website godsproxy...

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 28, 2011, 04:23:17
This thread is dedicated to the topic "Are we in a death trap?" What is a death trap? What proof do we have that we are in a death trap? Who else on Earth believes we are in a death trap? What can we do to help get us out of the death trap? Does believing we are in a death trap not turn into a self-fulfilling prophesy? These questions and others I would like to address in this thread.

I would like to open with a channeling I received a few years back, which introduced me to the concept of Earth is a death trap:Further:

We are in a life trap, we cannot die..only transcend  :-)