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Allanon,
Please just give me ONE MINUTE of your time to actually read what I took the time to write?
Assume for the moment (whether you agree with it or not) that most of the people here do not have faith in the Bible. I know YOU do, but the people you are trying to reach do not. So quoting from something they do not consider as having any authority (their opinion not yours) is not likely to motivate them.
What you are doing is the same as me trying to use examples from my astral experiences to convince you that Jesus is not the only way. Since my experiences are "nothing but Satan's lies" to you, using them to try and prove anything to you is pointless. Well in a similar way, to many of us the Bible is tainted by some of the worst of human nature and has little or no authority that we recognize.
Even if you are "right" and we are all "wrong", quoting the Bible will not help anyone unless they already BELIEVE the Bible has authority. If they already believe the Bible has authority, then odds are they also already believe everything else you are trying to prove, so you don't NEED to convince them. Does that make any sense?
Effective communication has to be meaningful to the speaker AND the listener. And it really needs to be a two way street. In all your posts, I have not seen you say anything to indicate to anyone that you even tried to listen to or understand what anybody is saying or feeling. You don't have to AGREE with them, but you need to at least understand WHY they feel the way they do.
Several people have asked you to share some of YOUR experiences with us, but you have thus far not done that. Tell us how Christ has changed YOUR life...how you have experienced his love PERSONALLY. This at least has the possibility of reaching people. In order to convince anybody of anything, you have to make them want what you already have. Rigidly quoting the bible, not listening to people, calling them Satanists...none of us wants to be a person who would do that to other human beings, so none of us is very likely to take the actions that apparently make YOU act like that (In this case accepting Christ and reading the Bible, etc.). Lead by personal EXAMPLE, in LOVE and UNDERSTANDING. Ask yourself WWJD (What Would Jesus Do)?
--Soulfire
I am just letting you guys know to not bend knee to anti - Christs. I am not forcing you. It needs to be told and I am tired of wimpy Christians conforming to the world.
My personal testimony is of no consequence. I challenge any so called Ascended Masters to speak up now and let me know why I should follow you?
2Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Hi,
Your experiences don't matter? I believe you undervalue yourself. And you are also ignoring a fundamental truth of the human condition:
Humans learn best from experience.
Why do you not touch a red hot stove? Is it just because somebody told you not to, or because through some EXPERIENCE you came to UNDERSTAND that you will get burnt and it will hurt!? You might have burnt yourself or seen somebody else get burnt, but if you dont have either direct or indirect EXPERIENCE, most people will try to touch the stove eventually. Look at Adam and Eve. [:D]
Look closely at the Bible and the stories of Jesus and the Apostles. They ALWAYS used their personal experiences to SHOW people what they wanted to teach in ways that would be meaningful to the LISTENERS - not just the speaker. When they did quote scriptire, it was because they knew that the people they were speaking to already believed in those scriptures. Jesus himself most often used Parables, which are stories of personal experiences that people can relate to. The stories make LOGICAL sense to the listener. That's how Jesus did it. Think about it... [:)]
--Soulfire
Soulfire--
You are right in that Love is key when dealing with the world but understand that a great tribulation is coming for those that keep hard to the Gospel. The prophecy of the Christ haters is already coming to pass. People hate what I have to say on these forums.
If it were a witch saying that you guys must drink the vine of the dead to be "enlightened" or a monk telling you to meditate more than you would not even give it another look. BUT WHEN THE TRUTH HITS THE HEART YOU KNOW!!! You can see it as they take down the ten commandments in the south and as gay bishops are elected. The TRUE flock that will survive the Mark of the Beast understands the infallible nature of the Bible and must stand firm to heretics and false prophets.
All Praise to the Lamb!
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My personal testimony is of no consequence. I challenge any so called Ascended Masters to speak up now and let me know why I should follow you?
We could say the
exact same to you. Why should we conform to you and your beliefs? The only difference between you and all of the other members here is that we don't post message after message after message trying to convince people what we believe is true. We don't go around signing up at Christian forums and preaching that Christians are wrong (and I do realize there are Christians here but I'm simply trying to make a point), and if anyone were to do something like that they wouldn't last as long on that forum as you have here, I can almost promise you.
I don't think anybody here hates Christ. In fact many people have said just the opposite. A lot of people DO dislike a lot of what the church sais or does. Many many of the most horrible attrocities in history were committed in the NAME of Christ by people calling themselves Christians that read the Bible, but knew nothing of the true teachings of Jesus. Most people know Jesus had NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. It was MAN who twisted the word of God to make it say what he wanted to. That is what people find repugnant. Sometimes people DO blame that on ALL Christians or even Christ (unfairly), but that hatred is almost always based on the HUMANS that interpret and twist the Bible to suit their own nefarious purposes - not the true Jesus or what he stands for.
By all means share the love of God and Jesus. That's why I urge you to tell YOUR STORY of how you experience God's love. Show them the fruits of Christ as they have manifested in your life experience. Get to know them and let them get to know the real you., and thus they get to Know Christ THROUGH you. If you want to make a difference, if you want to reach anybody with your truth, they need to be able to understand it in terms they can relate to. If you alienate them, if you judge them, if you make them not want to be like you, then you alienate them further to Christ as well. Reverse evangelism.
I don't know how to say any of this any more clearly than I have already tried to do. Either you will listen or you will not. Either way I sincerely wish you well...
Your Friend,
--Soulfire
I see your point completely Soulfire. I will post my testimony on another thread. But the topic here is Ascended Masters. Do not follow them. Soulfire do you think it is wise to bow knee to these men?
Allanon: I am only annoyed at you because your beliefs require us to believe your beliefs. My beliefs dont require anyone to believe anything. Belief in what we want IS free will. God cant change free will, and so humans CERTAINLY shouldnt. Stop preaching, there are other ways to spread the love. Go donate your computer to charity....go! It will help people more than ranting around this forum...
Hi,
In my mind and heart I worship only God. I perceive God as the sum total of everything and the creative force of everything. Every man, tree, rock, thought, or wave of energy. To me everything that exists is of God and is used by God to create the highest good. If a man does something "evil", then ultimately I believe that God uses the pain that is created by that evil and ultimately transforms it into love and wisdom. To me, God is unconditional love.
Where I "fail" to be a Christian is that I do not believe or understand how Jesus being symbolically murdered on the cross redeems me. I greatly respect that he died for what he knew to be right, I love him for trying to teach the world more about the nature of God and how to live a life of love, but I do not believe God the father would condemn me to eternity in hell...essentially throwing me away, just because I tried and failed to understand and accept that one ceremonial act.
I also believe that each of us has the potential to manifest the love of God the same way Jesus did. Even Jesus was quoted as saying that each of us, with enough faith, could do EVERYTHING he did. I don't believe I am God, but rather that I am like a single cell in God's body. The Bible sais we were created in God's own image. Just like every single strand of DNA supposedly contains everything that makes up the entire human body, but yet is only one small part of that body at the same time, so I believe we are in the Body of God.
Instead of believing that God loved us so much that he gave his only son to somehow die for my sins...I believe that God loves us so much that he allows us to learn and manifest all the love of his spirit and even make mistakes along the way. I believe that he is powerful enough to do this without me adhering to any particular ritualistic or symbolic belief.
I tried with all my heart to understand and believe in that ritual, but it never truly deeply made sense to me. You said in one of your posts that we DO KNOW THE TRUTH WHEN WE HEAR IT, but when I hear about that ritual sacrifice, I do not FEEL any sense of truth whatsoever. I asked God to show me because apparently I was not wise enough to understand. I asked learned professors of theology, ministers, "good Christians", and God himself to help show me. I opened my heart. It never happened.
Eventually I got tired of being treated like an outcast for saying honestly that it really did not ring true to me. Eventually I started to LIE and say I did understand. I did not lie out of any meanness of spirit, but prayed that if I said it enough and wanted to believe hard enough, that eventually I truly would. After close to 10 years of this, it still never happened and I gave up. Mostly I gave up because I was finding it more difficult to ACT a truly loving Christlike lifestyle. My "fruits" were not getting better, they were getting worse. I was now judging people instead of loving them. I was filled with fear instead of love. Instead of loving the life that God gave to me as a gift, I was waiting for the day when that life could be over and I would be in Heaven instead of Earth, and at the same time I was terrified that I was going to Hell because I could not understand the ritual sacrifice. Deep inside I felt dirty and worthless. I do not believe that is why God gave us our lives here on Earth. I do not believe God made me feel that way. I believe it was man who twisted and perverted the truth and who try to make everyone believe their lies, and that I would not live like that anymore. They way I see it, God loved me enough to show me another way to get to know him and let his love into my life and share that love with other people.
Because I cannot understand how Jesus being murdered somehow ritualistically redeems me, I supposedly failed as a Christian. I tried everything, I failed miserably, I lost faith in myself and everyting else, so eventually I tried just living the love of Christ in my day to day life and not worrying about the technicality of the ritual sacrifice.
Honestly Allanon, what would you have had me do? I'm reasonably certain that anything you can possibly say I had already done many times. Now I feel love more strongly than ever before in my life. I have transformed many of my weaknesses and fears into love. In every possible way in terms of my thoughts and ACTIONS, I am a better "Christian" than I ever was when I fit the church's definition of a Christian. And I don't have to lie anymore about what I believe or be constantly "judged" and treated with (let me be very honest here) disrespect and sometimes outright disdain by many of my "brothers and sisters" in Christ.
So I worship God and God alone just like you do. But I do not WORSHIP Jesus - I merely love him. If that REALLY means I am going to Hell, then I guess I never really had any choice...
--Soulfire
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Originally posted by Allanon
It needs to be told and I am tired of wimpy Christians conforming to the world.
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Now if that isn't anti-christian, I don't know what is. Describing others of your faith as "whimpy" means that you yourself are trying to become a Christ-like figure. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think so. Thank you Psychology, you were worth the $200 class.
May peace bring you happiness-
-Tenacious[:P]
Allanon, I dont bow to anyone. Robert Bruce is definetly my role model, but I dont "Worship" him. False christs are people who claim to be christ. As far as Ive heard, Nobody on this site has EVER claimed to be chist. Only one person that I can think of has SERIOUSLY claimed to be christ. And, well, that was about 2000years ago...so I think thats that problem solved...NEXT!
well, you don't have to worry about me following ascended masters, allanon. i follow no one. i only hear what they have to say, and then i take out of it what is useful to me. in one topic area, you were saying we were all followers of robert bruce. i haven't even read any of his books, except i scanned through the "psychic self-defense" book for about an hour. i came here because i noticed the website mentioned in the book, and thought i'd come and check it out.
Just when you promised us you were going to give it a rest! Here you are with another bible-babble and bad-mouthing what you cannot open your mind to explore....
I have begun to think you are a walking example of the sin of religious pride the nuns and priests used to warn us against.
Go out into the world and feed some starving children somewhere or read to a blind person in a senior citizens center -- start a winter coat drive for kids who have none -- do something with the hours you spend finding quotations to throw on this forum.
Then come back and tell us what you learned from it.
And before you tell me to do it myself, yes, I already have.
Greetings Allanon,
You are certainly persistent! I thought you had said all you were going to say?
I haven't read this topic through yet, but I would just like to make the point most emphatically Ascended Masters are not "false christs!
Ascended Masters, which included Master Jesus are exalted human beings who, after many lifetimes and dedication to the path, involving considerable work upon themselves,have achieved a state of perfection where they no longer have the need to incarnate in the physical world. These people are extremely humble, have transcended their ego's, have achieved elemental equilibrium and transmuted their Earthly negative characteristics into all positive ones; all of the things which would have represented the ideals of Jesus for humanity. These exalted beings are interested in the progress of all humanity out of Unconditional Love. Ascended Master also have powers and abilities beyond the comprehension of most people, and which they use exclusively for the forces of good and humanity generally.
most people here, and certainly not myself, do not "worship" anything or anyone. I recognise the greatness of the Ascended Masters, and am truly inspired by them. This is not the same as worship. Even Ascended Masters are Sons and Daughters of God as we are, humans who are further advanced along the path.
It is the destiny of everyone on this planet, even you, to ascend one day and be as They are now. One day you will know this to be true.
In the meantime, please do not make statements like this which can never do you any good.
Finally, again, please carry out your promise not to continue as you have been doing over these last few days. You have made your point time and again, please do not push it. Also please remember, the subject of your topic is an insult to Jesus!
With best regards,
Adrian.
Creme was instructed to prepare the way for one Lord Maitreya — a Master and self-proclaimed christ who would soon begin to assume a human form to begin preparing humanity for the Age of Aquarius. The Aquarian Age would be a time of peace, plenty, perfect equality, and global governance under the Masters, via the United Nations.
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Creme_Maitreya.htm
Maitreya is the full maniestation of the work of these false teachers. We see today that people bow knee to him and he is a false Chrsit!!
Allanon,
Using that one example of someone who thought he was Christ as "evidence" that other religions and spiritual teachers are essentially the SAME is not logical.
That would be like me saying that some crazy guy who murders people because he believs Jesus told him to is representative of all Christians.
You cannot look at any one person and generalize your perceptions of that person fairly to anybody else. You can, but it will not be accurate.
--Soulfire
Hello Allanon
I love God and I love Jesus. I love all of the religions that have made it possible for human beings to become better people and work upon themselves. Ascended Masters are not False Christs.
I figure with that name you hae probably had drug and drinking problems as it is a society in the US for dealing with that stuff. If you want to reform the world please do it one person at a time at your home. You can guide others to your belief but you can not shove it down peoples throats.
Quoting the bible and not listening to people just drives away everyone from your message. You have the wrong idea about ascended Masters and I would read about them before you start insulting everyone and everything.
Nita
Matthews, Chapter 7
1: "Judge not, that you be not judged.
2: For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get."
Bible with bible can be easy.
I hope this helps Allanon. Don't judge, let God judge his children.
-Tenacious[:P]
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Bible with bible can be easy.
I hope this helps Allanon. Don't judge, let God judge his children.
-Tenacious
Make sure you quote the Bible in the Way it was intended to be quoted. Paul puts it best here below.
Treasures in Jars of Clay
1Therefore, since through God's mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. 2Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5For we do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. 6For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness,"[1] made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
Allanon,
Let me relate something to you.
I'm not going to take a swipe at you or flame you in any way, I just would like you to read this consider it and respond thoughtfully - in your own words.
A very close friend of mine - Andrew recently told me of an 'astral encounter' that he had. My friend and I had been members of the same church for a great many years. We had both given our hearts to the lord, had both been baptised in water at the same time, and both baptised in the spirit at the same time. We've been like brothers ever since. About the same time though, a few years back we both became dissilusioned with the church, and moved away from it due to all the hypocracy and double standards we were seeing.
Andrew unfortunately started suffering from depression a few years ago. He had been prescribed medication, which kept him stable, but wasn't helping him to improve. He started to attend a non-denominational group called GROW, which started here in Aus in 1957, has since gone international, and is designed to help people combat mental health issues, mainly through getting people together in small groups on a weekly basis. It's foundations are christian based, but christian doctorine is not pushed at all, people have free choice as to their beliefs.
It was just over a year ago, during his time in GROW, that Andrew had an encounter that really brought him back to life. His description of what happend fit the Classic OBE scenario, though he'd never had one before or new anything much about them. As he described it, he was taken to meet Jesus Himself. The Lord spoke to him, told him who He was, and there could be absolutely no doubt - no deception. Andrew described Him as having the most overpowering presence, a being of pure love and light. Andrew just broke down before him and sobbed. Jesus lifted him up, and embraced him. Andrew described being completely infused with love and absolutely pure raw energy, the likes of which he's never encountered before.
Now, Andrew does not just believe, he KNOWS! He has met Jesus. he KNOWS he exists! Not by the words of the bible, not by what a dozen ministers have told him, but by what he has experienced himself. The Jesus Andrew met fits exactly what Adrian has described - an extraordinary being who has achieved a state of perfection. There is nothing false about Him. Jesus is a being of a magnitude way beyond us and is someone worth believeing in.
Andrew, like you Allanon, and like I used to be, was unaccepting of any other belief, thinking them to all be false as the bible says them to be false. What he understands now after his encounter with Jesus, is that there is no need to fear other beliefs, because the love and presence that he felt was one of unconditional acceptance, and that the path to God is not one of rules and laws as written by men, but one that is open to anyone who would seek a path of love and light.
The Jesus he met is someone who is beyond all the petty squabbles between the religions. What Andrew believes counts is that a person has a heart that seeks the love and light of our Creator, and exactly how a person chooses to get there is not really that important.
What you will find of most people here, including myself, is that we have all had some kind of personal experience, some kind of personal encounter that has given us a direction to follow that is leading us towards that love and light of our Creator. How we get there is not as important as the fact that we want to get there. Andrew sees this now. I see this now, and we are both so much more at peace with ourselves as a result.
Please consider.....
Kind regards,
James.
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Andrew unfortunately started suffering from depression a few years ago. He had been prescribed medication, which kept him stable, but wasn't helping him to improve. He started to attend a non-denominational group called GROW, which started here in Aus in 1957, has since gone international, and is designed to help people combat mental health issues, mainly through getting people together in small groups on a weekly basis. It's foundations are christian based, but christian doctorine is not pushed at all, people have free choice as to their beliefs.
It was just over a year ago, during his time in GROW, that Andrew had an encounter that really brought him back to life. His description of what happend fit the Classic OBE scenario, though he'd never had one before or new anything much about them. As he described it, he was taken to meet Jesus Himself. The Lord spoke to him, told him who He was, and there could be absolutely no doubt - no deception. Andrew described Him as having the most overpowering presence, a being of pure love and light. Andrew just broke down before him and sobbed. Jesus lifted him up, and embraced him. Andrew described being completely infused with love and absolutely pure raw energy, the likes of which he's never encountered before.
Now, Andrew does not just believe, he KNOWS! He has met Jesus. he KNOWS he exists! Not by the words of the bible, not by what a dozen ministers have told him, but by what he has experienced himself. The Jesus Andrew met fits exactly what Adrian has described - an extraordinary being who has achieved a state of perfection. There is nothing false about Him. Jesus is a being of a magnitude way beyond us and is someone worth believeing in.
Andrew, like you Allanon, and like I used to be, was unaccepting of any other belief, thinking them to all be false as the bible says them to be false. What he understands now after his encounter with Jesus, is that there is no need to fear other beliefs, because the love and presence that he felt was one of unconditional acceptance, and that the path to God is not one of rules and laws as written by men, but one that is open to anyone who would seek a path of love and light.
I have had many, many OBE's and a few NDE experiences. I know of the being of Light. I have seen many worlds PERSONALLY that are beyond this dimension in space and time. I have seen things with the pineal gland or sixth chakra as you guys call it that I would bet only a few Shamans of the Amazon have any idea of. THAT DOES NOT MATTER. I went down that road. The road of dimensional travel and YOU NEED A GUIDE. JESUS CHRIST ONLY AND HIS HOLY SPIRIT. I am telling you that these Ascended Masters and what they teach is a trap. You have to Love the Correct God. You have to Love the Truth. Not the illusion.
Like I said before however my testimony is NOT what you need. You need the Word of God only. The Jesus in the Bible and the Gospel of Christ is the only OBJECTIVE standard to rely on. But just so you know I have had many, many experiences in the Astral and IT IS NOT A PLACE TO BE SCREWING WITH UNLESS YOU ARE ROOTED VERY, VERY STRONGLY IN THE WORD OF GOD. TRUST ME MAN. You and your friend were disillusioned by the CHURCH and what the organizations told you. I am not telling you to join a Church. I am telling you to join the Body of Christ by understanding the Word of God. Read the Bible and heal yourself through the Holy Spirit. Jesus will walk with you and you will see EVERYTHING differently if you are really dedicated to Him and His Word.
God Bless you all and good luck in the AP realm without Christ because you bring things back with you that you do not see or feel or hear. They influence you and without the protection of the Holy Spirit you will be blind to the Truth that is found in the Bible alone.
I've been following all of your posts Allanon, and you were persistent enough for me to take a second look at why I believe at what I believe and why I do not choose Christianity.
This is what I came up with:
Why would I blindly choose Christianity over anything else? What makes it so special? Just because Jesus is involved? He was a human like all of us. One who left a great impact on the world, yes, but we all have the potential to do the same in our lifetimes. There are an infinite number of paths to God, why would God have it so that only one path is correct? If what you say is true, God is selecting us by giving each one of us dice and if we roll the wrong number, we're screwed.
I learn from the consequences of my actions. It seems to be the most foolproof way to develop a way of life. I believe that this is the method God uses for all of us, and we will all eventually end up in the same place. So I'll try something, and if that something just happens to bring to Hell, I'll know better next time. There's no possible way that there would be no second chance.
I want you to at least consider this with as open of a mind you can manage, and I want you to take another look at Soulfire's 26 August 2003 : 03:41:03 post. He had many good points which I guess you just ignored because it goes against what you believe.
Allanon,
Firstly thank you for responding in your own words. I appreciate that.
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Like I said before however my testimony is NOT what you need
Actually this is exactly what I want.
What was it that made you decide that what you had experienced in the astral realm was false, and the bible was true?
Were your OBE experiences purely of your own efforts or were they assisted by certain drugs?
I'm curious only because for most people here being exposed to the astral has had the opposite effect, or they have found a closer connection to God in the astral. I get the impression that you had some quite negative experiences.
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I am telling you to join the Body of Christ by understanding the Word of God. Read the Bible and heal yourself through the Holy Spirit. Jesus will walk with you and you will see EVERYTHING differently if you are really dedicated to Him and His Word.
Yes I have been here, but no it didn't do it for me.
As I mentioned in my last post I have recieved the baptism of the holy spirit. All this still did not change the fact that while I was following the path of spirituality as directed by the Bible, I was not at peace. No matter how much time I would spend praying in the spirit, communing in the presence of God, I was ill at ease. This was not my path. This was not helping me to grow closer to God.
For my friend Andrew, it was the right path, and when he could not see the way clearly, Jesus directly intervened and revealed himself to Andrew to help him carry on.
For me I finally learned of my path when I was paid a personal visit by another spirit - a vast, wonderful, loving spirit that is a giver of life for all things on this planet. I will not speak of her further as I believe you will reject her totally, though know that she fully acknowledges Jesus, and is herself answerable to God. That is my path, and when I accepted it, for the first time in most of my life, if not my whole life, I felt peace in my soul that I was finally going in the right direction.
Allanon, I believe you will likely reject this path that I am on. The thing that I KNOW is that God does not. Remember that NOTHING can separate us from the love of God. That is UNCONDITIONAL. No ifs, buts, maybeys, rules, regulations, laws, sins, NOTHING. To say that we have to follow a particular way, or a particular set of instructions invalidates this one very basic statement.
What I have also recently learned, is that there is far more out there in the spirit world that is good than what is contained in the writings of the bible. It is all from God. If you have travelled the astral as much as you claim, surely you too have seen this. Please don't try and invalidate it for us because you have experienced what you believe to be negative.
Kind regards,
James.
Did I mis-quote the bible? Lemme check :) I checked and it's correct. Where did I go wrong(I'm trying to understand you statement of quoting the Bible in the correct way)[;)]
-Tenacious[:P]
[quoteAllanon, I believe you will likely reject this path that I am on. The thing that I KNOW is that God does not. Remember that NOTHING can separate us from the love of God. That is UNCONDITIONAL. No ifs, buts, maybeys, rules, regulations, laws, sins, NOTHING. To say that we have to follow a particular way, or a particular set of instructions invalidates this one very basic statement.
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If that is your path than I cant stop you. With your above quote it should be noted however that the reason for the unconditional love is because of Jesus Christ. Your spirit that you follow may be a good one. The Way that you can tell this is to ask it if Jesus Christ is Lord. If it agrees than it passes the test and is not a false spirit.
There are only two camps of spirits. They are for God or against Him. There is no middle ground here and I hope you realize that. Best of luck on your path but always remember even Angels dont recomend you worship them.
Traveling the Etheric realms can be enlightening and stimulating. However you always must ask yourself if it ultimately is gettin you closer to the Truth. Is it bringing you closer to Christ, If not it is counter productive. In Heaven there will be plenty of time to do travel and what not. THE PROBLEM IS AS OF NOW WE ARE IN TROUBLE AS A HUMAN FAMILY. We are near the end times and this can even be validated by your "mediums" and "spiritists", not that I think they are credible but that is something you can relate to.
It should be known that you are better off just doing the Right thing and following the TRUE ASCENDED MASTER WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD AND WILL COME AGAIN PHYSICALLY. JESUS CHRIST.
For what its worth Allanon, the spirit I follow I do so out of love. I don't worship her. She was actually quite emphatic that I was NOT to worship her, just love her.
As to how she relates to Jesus, she says it is proper for him to be referred to as Lord Jesus. (They do have a great sense of propriety and respect in the spirit world!)
And before you ask, yes I am in regular contact with her. She is always with me.
James.
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For what its worth Allanon, the spirit I follow I do so out of love. I don't worship her. She was actually quite emphatic that I was NOT to worship her, just love her.
As to how she relates to Jesus, she says it is proper for him to be referred to as Lord Jesus. (They do have a great sense of propriety and respect in the spirit world!)
And before you ask, yes I am in regular contact with her. She is always with me.
So I guess you believe that Jesus does really exist if it is confirmed by your spirit. That is He is not something just made up by the Church.
I never once doubted his existance. I don't think anyone here really does. I also believe the words that he spoke himself are among the wisest and most profound of anyone who has walked this earth.
I dislike what the christian church at large has made of him. I see them as using him more as an excuse than a reason. I put a lot of that down to what I consider to be the highly 'legalistic' writings of Paul.
IMO Jesus sought to free us from religions and dogmas. Paul just used the words of Jesus roughly a hundred years later to shove us right back into the dogmas again.
Just my opinions, but essentially yes, Jesus was / is real.
James.
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never once doubted his existance. I don't think anyone here really does. I also believe the words that he spoke himself are among the wisest and most profound of anyone who has walked this earth.
I dislike what the christian church at large has made of him. I see them as using him more as an excuse than a reason. I put a lot of that down to what I consider to be the highly 'legalistic' writings of Paul.
IMO Jesus sought to free us from religions and dogmas. Paul just used the words of Jesus roughly a hundred years later to shove us right back into the dogmas again.
Just my opinions, but essentially yes, Jesus was / is real.
James.
1I want you to know how much I am struggling for you and for those at Laodicea, and for all who have not met me personally. 2My purpose is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments. 5For though I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit and delight to see how orderly you are and how firm your faith in Christ is.
Damn, and I thought we were doing so well there for a moment, then out come the @&^#ing bible quotes again!
Don't you get it? Verses from the bible can be used in any context you want them to.
Have you ever heard the concept that Satan knows the bible better than any christian does.
Yes I know, the verses are from one of Paul's letters to the Colossians. I still see him as being one of the forerunners to the "do what I say or you'll go to hell" type preachers.
Ok, said my bit, I'm done here.
James.
Matthew 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect–if that were possible.
13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
11But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 12Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you 14to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15which God will bring about in his own time--God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.