Hi all, over the years i have tried to have a OOTBE, astral experience etc (I have had more interest in it more recently) but have had what i would relate as lucid dreams mainly.
I had fallen asleep as usual at a normal time, as always i had awoken up in the middle of the night went to the bathroom and back to bed asleep. At some point in the night i became semi conscious and found that i was just massively buzzing all over. At some level i knew what was happening, couldn't visually see anything but could feel my astral body move within my physical. I wanted to move away and out of my body so i willed myself out of my body and tried to walk away, i only got a few feet then was pulled right back into my body and did a backwards roll into my head space.
That was that but another experience i had was quite different but shall keep it brief. I went to be at the usual time and feel asleep and at some point in the night i had this lucid dream.
I found myself outside a market in an unrecognisable place, daylight and bright vivid and people were around minding there own business. I asked myself OK where am I? what am i doing here? and i said to myself that I'm dreaming. I asked a man are you part of my dream or do i know you from waking life?( the reason why i asked this was in waking life it was relating to a conversation with a friend who said that it is possible to communicate with friends etc in the astral world, this some how came into my dream)Just part of the dream he replied. I asked him what are my worse traits? he started talking and i couldn't hear him properly and it was only after i had woken up that i realised that my worst trait is that i don't listen, hence why i couldn't hear him while he talked.
I won't go on to much but since i knew that i was dreaming i tried to change some features of the dream. I was in this room that i found myself in, i managed to change some things to the ceiling and tried to walk through a wall but had doubts as to whether i could do it and that doubt stopped me from walking through the wall. I guess lucid dreams are self fulfilling.
i soon lost lucidity and the dream went on its own tangent there on, but the main reason I've posted these was to illustrate that even though i had full awareness in both instances one was in the RTZ and i would call it a OOTBE and the other lucid dream?astral projection? part dream and astral? what are your thoughts.
Just something to think about
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You dont listen. lol I love the way our higher selves make points.
That's what I think dreams are. Our higher selves interacting with us to help us work out our issues.
It sounds like a LD to me.
Blis - you have me confused. I recently posted a question about what the diff was between AP, LD, OOBE and phasing. The answers I got were that an AP was something that was experienced away from your home, local area. A LD was a dream in which you were fully conscious and that an OOBE was something you had in your bedroom/home etc. Now based on Blidge's experience in the market I would describe it as an AP (based on the explanations I was given). Now I know diff people will have diff opinion's but it all confuses me the more I read.
Anyone help??? Please???
Ta
Quote from: ange.connell on April 10, 2011, 07:36:27
Blis - you have me confused. I recently posted a question about what the diff was between AP, LD, OOBE and phasing. The answers I got were that an AP was something that was experienced away from your home, local area. A LD was a dream in which you were fully conscious and that an OOBE was something you had in your bedroom/home etc. Now based on Blidge's experience in the market I would describe it as an AP (based on the explanations I was given). Now I know diff people will have diff opinion's but it all confuses me the more I read.
Anyone help??? Please???
Ta
Keep in mind this is all interpretational and not yet an exact science.
Quote from: ange.connell on April 10, 2011, 07:36:27
Blis - you have me confused. I recently posted a question about what the diff was between AP, LD, OOBE and phasing. The answers I got were that an AP was something that was experienced away from your home, local area. A LD was a dream in which you were fully conscious and that an OOBE was something you had in your bedroom/home etc. Now based on Blidge's experience in the market I would describe it as an AP (based on the explanations I was given). Now I know diff people will have diff opinion's but it all confuses me the more I read.
Anyone help??? Please???
Ta
I normally use the term obe for rtz projections although they can all be described as out of body or non-physical experiences.
Assuming I've not got all this backwards, a projection to the real time zone would be descibed as an etheric projection. The rtz is like a nonphysical reflection of the physical and things are generally the same there as they are here. It might not even be a reflection but just plain old here and the only non-physical part would be your projected self.
The difference between a LD and an astral projection is that a lucid dream is a reality created by an aspect of your self. The environment could be created by your higher self, your subconscious, your conscious ego or any combination of the different parts of you self and mind. Generally you wont get any real people in a LD unless they visit you which I dont know if they can.
An astral projection is like a LD except it's in an independant astral environment. You get real people there and the energies of the place feel different to a LD. The places you visit arent genrally created by you although you can consiously make your own realm if you want(like astral pulse island) that other people can visit. There are loads of different focus levels where all sorts of different stuff is possible.
I've only had a handfull of fully astral projections. I think that you(or at least I) get restricted to LD's most of the time until you gain enough control of your thoughts, physical instincts, desires, etc, as these can affect other people in the astral. I read something similar by frank. He called it the proving ground I think. Basically your higher self uses lucid dreams as a means of testing and training you to be responsible in the astral. I know of no such restrictions to the rtz.
Phasing is just a term for moving directly from physical to non-physical consciousness without popping out into the RTZ first. It could be into a LD(WILD), astral projection or any number of different states of consciousness. The hemi-sinc gateway experience teaches you to phase into specific states of consiousness(or focus level).
All these definitions of terms is just what I've taken them to mean from reading lots of different stuff. You see people using the same words for different things. I'm no expert in these things. I've been projecting one way or another for about 18 months and I feel like I'm still basically a novice
^This. Except I'd say collective instead of independent.
Quote from: CFTraveler on April 10, 2011, 13:52:17
^This. Except I'd say collective instead of independent.
^Better choice of word.
That made me think of an analogy.
Think of LD's as your own personal blog and the astral as wikipedia.
Without your input the blog would be empty. Wikipedia is a collective environment that is "independant" in the respect that it would exist without your personal input but isnt really independant as without anyone's input it would be empty.
I don't think it's as simple as LD= private, AP = public... as you're making several assumptions:
1) A receptor of consciousness can create an entire astral environment with less than full awareness (remember if we believe in a collective consciousness then we have no reason to believe in a subconscious the way we typically think of it, and vice-versa.)
2) When the phenomenon of lucid dreaming was labeled and studied from a scientific standpoint, the studied weren't experiencing the "public" collective unconscious.
3) There's a clear difference between a "private" and "public" astral despite stories of entities accessing others' dreams.
4) It won't be insanely confusing trying to label an experience based on 3.
If you don't want to tear your hair out trying to label and convey experiences go by this...
A lucid dream is when you know you're dreaming. This is often the result of some trigger in a vivid or conventional dream. Upgrade it to a projection if you gain full awareness.