Call to order (please)

timeless · July 02, 2003, 18:22:58

quote:
Originally posted by ronaldo

hi,

i'm sorry but i haven't reached that spiritual level yet, but u'd think neg would have considering that he's 37

Now I am rolling on the floor.[

] [Laughing at myself. I was the same.] You could not resist! You had to point the finger at the end of the sentence. You are exactly like Neg and the rest of us. It is a built in program that NEEDS to be broken if we are to find peace ANYWHERE in our lives - here or elsewhere. Age, sex, race does not matter. You either get it or you do not. The sooner you 'get it' the better.

Dear Kromeknight,

Very good points.[

] I like Nay too. However, if we want to grow we have to move past taking sides and care about ALL. Nay is just as important as all the rest of us. NegRemoval5 is just as important as the rest of us.

Regards,
timeless[

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neg removal5 · July 02, 2003, 18:33:59

Hi Frank

I'm going to briefly respond to Ronaldo's comments. Yes before when someone came at me for no reason at all in a totally inappropriate way, I gave them their exact same medicine back as a deterrant to leave others alone. They attacked me for no reason at all and used strong words against me, and I used strong words back.

I was not like the people who attacked me, in that I'm the type person who believes you should mind your own business and not going around starting things with other people. However there are people on this forum that do not hold the view that I have there, and me and a couple of those people clashed.

I made a mistake, I should have avoided the clash and handled it a different way. Instead of giving them their medicine back and returning strong words for strong words, I should have just contacted a moderator instead before they were able to keep causing me problems to where I reached my limit. Actually I'm a little concerned there, because I did do that, and no moderators responded to the one or two emails that I sent. I think this situation is one in which we all will learn from even the moderators. They should respond when someone sends an email for help before something gets out of hand.

I'm going to learn from my mistakes whether any of the other people involved who were attacking me choose to learn from their mistakes or not. They might choose not to, and continue to go around starting things with people for no reason at all.

Now that I understand the forums a little bit better, I am going to use a different view and approach when I encounter people who want to cause problems. I'm going to choose to learn from my mistakes, and just not let certain people try to get to me anymore.

kromeknight · July 02, 2003, 18:42:35

Hello Timeless
Now I'm really embarrassed because I have to explain my 'PS' it was in reference to Nays comment on my avatar!!
I'm not sure what you are refering too though I hold all ppl on the forums with deep regard. No need to explain I'll work it out [

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Take care [

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ronaldo · July 02, 2003, 18:46:09

neg,

u don't fool me one bit, u r the biggest bum licker i have ever seen
like i said before we all know what u r like u have a big problem,
u want to lightn up mate

Nay · July 02, 2003, 18:47:45

Guess it is my turn to blush [:I]..Thanks Timeless..but I swear I do not want anyone thinking that I think I am more special or better than ANYONE..I use humor MOST of the time..except for that one embarassing moment when I lost it...

I love the interaction on this forum...[

] and hope it hasn't been tainted..that would suck. [

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P.S..Krome..pleeese don't yell "sexual harassment"..lol.. I just call it how I see it. [

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Nay. [

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neg removal5 · July 02, 2003, 18:56:26

Timeless and Frank

I just realized something else, that one should consider. The people on these forums are from many different countries. Do you remember your comment about the French. Well I guess maybe it's possible that the peoples of certain countries have certain tendencies in their behavior. You can not apply it to all the citizens of that country, but as an overall picture certain people of certain countries may be known for certain things. For example Ronaldo is from England. I do not know much about the English people. But I cannot always expect someone to be rational as I may see things through my American Culture, and expect them to try to be the type who wants to eventually resolve conflicts. Maybe people of certain countries and cultures are known by certain habits throughout the world. Maybe some people are known for striving on conflict or trying to stir conflict up. I hope that is not the case, but it might be so, and may take a lot more work with certain people because of the cultures they are from.

If that is a case, then having an good understanding of the different cultures, may help you put things in a better perspective in not letting certain people get to you, by just realizing that is the behaviors of that culture in many areas of it, and that those people grew up in that culture, and may or may not have been influenced by certain aspects of that culture. You won't be able to really know until you interact with them. But I feel that even in situations where culture has affected someones personality in a way, that they still have the ability to change, and to learn from their mistakes if they choose to; However, there will be those who opt not to choose to. It's their choice but we shouldn't let it affect us either way.

ronaldo · July 02, 2003, 19:02:29

neg

i don't understand, what you trying to say?

timeless · July 02, 2003, 19:16:30

Dear kromeknight,

Your post spoke volumes that you respect all on the forum. I did misinterpert your PS. When we speak to a person on one side of an arguement we risk the other side thinking we are taking sides. I thought it was a reassurance that you were not doing this. You're post was from the heart and took no side. It made valid points we could all learn from. PRICELESS advice in any arguement.

Deepest Respect,
timeless[

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timeless · July 02, 2003, 19:26:56

Dear ronaldo,

Why do you think you pointed the finger at NegRemoval5 at the end of your sentence? Was it to get yourself off the hook? Deflection (pointing the finger) is a common tactic to take the heat off ourselves so we do not have to look within. For some bizzare reason people are terrified of self reflection -- of seeing their faults.

Many people spend a lifetime pointing their finger so they do not have to look within. Typically, that which we hate most in others, is what we hate most in ourselves.

Regards,
timeless

Nay · July 02, 2003, 19:30:18

Well..now I am confused?? and of course I might be reading this wrong..But Timeless are you saying that I "want" people on my side? and that at first you thought Krome was on my side but now that he cleared that up you are reassured? I can promise you that I have no need for people to be on my side..lol..I really didn't even know I had a side.[

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Nay. [

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ronaldo · July 02, 2003, 19:34:49

you'd better ask neg the what the problem is, he seem to think it,s something to do with me being british

timeless · July 02, 2003, 19:38:22

Dear Negremoval5,

Culture does have an affect but I do not think it played any role in this situation.

The important things to understand are:
- We cannot change others
- We can only change ourselves
- We cannot expect others to change, that is their responsibility
- We can see ourselves (US) in THEM. Anything we dislike about their behaviour likely stems from a flaw we have within. Better to examine the flaw within then try to make them change. If we fix the flaw then THEY will not bother us anymore because we will have gained wisdom and compassion for THEM. We realize we could do exactly the same silly thing if we did not know ourselves better. Trying to change others and rationalize ourselves is an exercise in frustration and futility -- better to go the root inside with humility.

Regards,
timeless

timeless · July 02, 2003, 19:44:24

Dear Nay,

No Nay. Kromeknight made it clear from the very beginning that he took no side. However, it would seem odd to talk nicely to someone who insulted your friend. I could see myself wanting to reasure the friend. I did not say you wanted anyone to take your side. However, you must admit when we feel insecure it is a relief when someone does.

Nay if there were no sides, there would not have been an arguement. Instead there would have been people helping each other take the scary step inwards to look deeper at what we all suffer from to some degree or other.

Regards,
timeless

Nay · July 02, 2003, 19:51:23

lol..ok..here's a idea lets all go to //www.astraldynamics.com and click on chat..and continue there..so we can stop boring these poor people..lol..any takers???

Nay. [

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timeless · July 02, 2003, 19:52:10

Dear ronaldo,

Why are you worried about what Negremoval thinks. That is not the important question. The important question is why are you still trying to deflect?

What is playing out here is an externalization of the war within all of us. The same play will be repeated again and again and again. Just in different forms with different players until finally we 'get it'. The problem is within...not outside ourselves.

Regards,
timeless

timeless · July 02, 2003, 19:57:43

Dear Nay,

Who is bored? This is likely the most important discussion ever placed in this forum. Will we look within -- the scariest yet most rewarding experience of all? Far from boring!

Regards,
timeless

ronaldo · July 02, 2003, 20:04:46

better to examine the flaw within then try to make the change. If we fix the flaw then THEY will not bother us anymore because will will have gained wisdom and compasion for THEM

lol, neg i'm laughing so hard i've crapped me pants

kromeknight · July 02, 2003, 20:08:23

Hello Nay
I can never get into the chat it keeps bumping me off for some reason? and to be honest it's takes me ages to typ anything because I'm up and down doing things (five kids[:O]) anyway I'm off again nappies and shopping to do lol [

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bye for now everyone

no_leaf_clover · July 02, 2003, 20:11:19

deja vu o.o.. i wasnt planning on replying but since i just had deja vu, oh well.

i think nay's right. you guys should try the chat room. the only thing this long topic is good for is cheaply racking up posts, which is getting in my way for world domination! er.. well, actually, yes, it is!

if everybody just stopped replying to this completely, maybe the problem would be solved. i don't think neg's gonna bring this up again in another topic unless he's provoked, so as long as no one provokes him, we're fine, right (wink wink..)? we can all learn our own lessons for ourselves. that would be easier and have more effect and meaning than being told what we should do or how our minds should work ideally, with all due respect to everyone here. i'm probably just talking out my butt, but, just a thought..

deja vu.. o.o

Nay · July 02, 2003, 20:16:21

Bummer..sniff,sniff...I am on the chat..I like the real time interaction...come on..come to the dark side..Muhahahaha

Nay. [

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timeless · July 02, 2003, 20:24:06

Dear ronaldo,

I am also falling on the floor laughing. You have just used another classic form of deflection. Point the finger at me.[

] This is such a FUN game we could play it for a lifetime and never learn a damn thing but have FUN trying.[

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Regards,
timeless

silva · July 02, 2003, 20:25:06

Kumbaya stuff aside anyone who believes God will smite people on a messageboard simply due to arguments has mental problems. ~walks on eggshells and moseys out of here~. I had to read how all this turned out *L*. In actuality there are no hard feelings for me,it is all in fun. I would still fear meeting a person like negremoval in a dark place,,especially if i stepped on his foot or gave him a reason to make me repent.
My last on the subject at hand,good day all.

ronaldo · July 02, 2003, 20:31:21

timeless

i'm not laughing now i'm to busy to wiping the crap off me pants

timeless · July 02, 2003, 20:36:31

Dear Silva,

Why throw in a thorn if you are not going to talk it through and try to come to a greater understanding? We are here to bring out the best in each other not the worst....aren't we? Or are we here to externalize some dramatic play that is going on inside...perhaps in the hopes that if it is externalized we might actually figure it out. That which we give is what we receive.

Dear No Leaf Clover and Nay,

Awww! That was what was meant by chat. Sorry for misunderstanding. I have never been to the chatroom. I will stop posting now. Good luck too all. My post count means nothing anyways....or it should mean nothing.

Regards to All,
timeless

Nay · July 02, 2003, 20:48:55

wellll, come on timeless I am there waiting..come chat with me!

Nay.

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