Im pretty sure Bush knew there were no weapons there, he just wanted that oil...
I have better things to do while out of body than to get caught up in politics. Plus I am not that skilled yet to actually go find such people.
That´s not politics!And no one gets my idea! The basic idea is to proof, in a different way, that OBE are true and helpful. This is important as an incentive to begginers and t´s important for helping others. And i think too, that if with astral projection you could get Osama, you would be doing something good to the world!
Many times the astral projectors think that such "terran ideas" are not for them, but they forgot something: even if they are in the astral 48h/day they still are being humans in a human body. They still are from this world. SO, i believe that questions that are important to our world (like polution, famine, etc) are very important for the ones that live on them. A true astral projector that reach a great spiritual stage, is not an eremit. An eremit is a beginner. Buda and Jesus were famous because they help everyone in this world, not because they wer wandering in the astral or meditating all the time (of course that is important too).
Do you understand what i mean? In other words, what i pretend it´s to get all the astral projectors in this forum, to use there abilities in some way to help the others, to help the world. Of course that such title in my post ("challenge for astral p) it is only a way to atract more people.
If someone has a better idea for using massive astral projections, i hope that post it here. The world needs help, and astral projectors are not the answer, but still are a good answer.
I think even a standard mental projection is a much more rewarding task.
I would love to hear from anybody who projects there on a regular basis.
That´s not about rewards! I think that the biggest interest in AP it´s help the others. And that is a bigger reward! It is like a budhist tryng to reach the paranirvana just for the feeling!He will never reach it. With the AP i think it´s something similar. The first times you use it your atention you be turned to the feelings, but when you master it, i think that the interest you bi spiritual development. And by spiritual development i understand "reach a state in wich you start to be free from suffering and help otheres reach the same state" (of course this a resumed idea).
I understand what you meant. But I guess my point was, when I project the last thing on my mind is Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. Plus I am not interested in trying to prove that OBEs are real to people who do not want to listen. You just have to find your own proof.
I've never tried looking for anybody before (well kinda). Although, a couple years ago My Mother bought a house, I had not yet been there, and on one of my Travels, I wanted to see her, as I hadn't seen her in a couple years. So I tried, and I went to a house, a house that I had not seen before, although I didn't see my Mom, I had a decent memory of the house, and what the yard looked like, and what not. I ended up visiting her within a year after this projection, and the house looked very familiar, and from what I remember seeing of it during my projection was the same. Even the drive way, and the trees, and yard around it was the same. And just the feeling that I had been there before. Very Cool![;)]
As for finding Saddam, I guess its worth a shot, but don't know how it would go. What am I going to do when I find him, call 000, (or 911)...[:P]
Do not talk about that political bull excrement on this forum please. Just stick to the topic and throw out that political excrement.
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Originally posted by fallnangel77
I understand what you meant. But I guess my point was, when I project the last thing on my mind is Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. Plus I am not interested in trying to prove that OBEs are real to people who do not want to listen. You just have to find your own proof.
Right on! I rather go to Iraq and see how the Military is doing there because I have a HUGE interest in the Army, I will enlist when im 17 by the way!
OBEs are ment for YOUR personal interest I belive. So if you have the desire to hunt those two dickheads down, by all means do it.
The united states deserved his attack. I will not take any action against him.
Thinking about it, isn't the US government offering a lot of money for information leading to the capture of Saddam or bin Laden. Hmm .. Of coarse they would probably wonder how some redneck in the South found out where they were hiding out.
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Originally posted by beavis
The united states deserved his attack. I will not take any action against him.
now why do you say that? are you an anarcist?
A conspiriter?
From what I understand, it is pretty easy to find people you have a PERSONAL CONNECTION to. It is not easy to find someone you DON'T KNOW PERSONALLY. I understand remote viewing can be used once you know a location, i.e. coordinates, map images, and address. But trying to find a specific person who does not want to be found might be easier done through conventional methods of inteligence gathering.
Anyway, politics loose their importance when you are looking at REAL BIG PICTURE. I would not waste my time doing this challenge. Their are more important challenges to me where I can spend my hard earned resources.
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Originally posted by fallnangel77
Thinking about it, isn't the US government offering a lot of money for information leading to the capture of Saddam or bin Laden. Hmm .. Of coarse they would probably wonder how some redneck in the South found out where they were hiding out.
LOL! Great point falln!
USA deserved bin ladin's attack because USA invaded his country first.
beavis
Normally I do not flame people for their political or religious beliefs. You, however, have crossed the line of common decency by stating that bin Laden and al-Qaeda were justified in their attacks on America.
I do not know WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS! It is obvious that you are totally full of excrement. Keep your dirty opinions to yourself. Nobody wants to read your CRAP.
Consider this a WARNING. Next tiime I will not be so POLITE.
If anyone but beavis said that I might be offended. How can you take the guy seriously.. he rarely makes anysense. In an attempt to be obscure he comes off as a moron and he believes he's on his last life as a human.
How can you take a person like that seriously. To say there's ever a circumstance where people deserve to die in the way those did.. does that suggest a last life here on earth? Course from the time he first said he found out he has learned all there is to learn as a human then reading his posts I had a good laugh at the delusions of so many in the world.
I think beavis is right. It is wrong that we lost so many people, but still, now the USA has figured out, "Hey! These guys mean business!" The security was getting too slack, it's good that we are paying more attention to them. But I'm not saying that the Al-Qaeda was justified.
I really need to stop getting agitated when people type things that dont make sense.
" I think beavis is right" when his statement was Al Qaeda was justified because the U.S. attacked first. But they weren't justified. Then in what way is he "right"?
Then you say its because security was strengthened. Wouldnt it make sense to say "although beavis is wrong it is justified.. something good came out of it".
but I also think beavis is right.. read his above statment they were justified. Because airports are safer.. but I dont agree with his statment.. but he's right.
spins in circles. come on people..
I find it very disheartening when I see peolpe talking about politics. Some people say they want to see Osama dead, some people say they are behind him. Are they really different people? Or just the same people with different *blind* viewpoints? The matter of the fact is that none of us know who attacked the WTC or why the US attacked Iraq. And please, befor you start quoting the news, remember, they are just the news, controlled by another corporation. I mean, even the news the news companies get is usually from the officials... Is it that hard to make something up and put it on paper?
When people stop believing in something so much, they usually see that they actually know nothing and that judgement should be left alone for higher powers. I'm not saying action shouldn't be taken, but rash and illogical action is not the answer.
War on terrrorism? Does that sound logical? I don't even know where to start.
The whole point here is that the powers of the world are always playing games we cannot see. Stop fretting about them and live as free a life as you can. Train yourself for the future an care about whats imporant, not what the media says. I'm sure that time in astral realms and different forms of conciousness will soon lead to what's really important. Keep your focus.
Forgotten Flame
beavis believes that al-Qaeda WAS JUSTIFIED. He said that OUTRIGHT in TWO SEPARATE POSTS.
So you have no valid arguement. You are either childish, naive or an idiot to post in support of beavis saying, "I think beavis is right" and then end your same post by disagreeing with beavis.
WTF!
How many people would it have been 'Acceptable' to lose on September 11, 2001[?][?][?][?]
100 dead[?]
1000 dead[?]
5 dead[?]
And for what purpose[?] There was no benefit in becoming more aware of al-Qaeda. Having to fight in Afghanistan (where even more lives were lost) was not a 'benefit'. Neither was the necessity of creating a Department of Homeland Security or was passing the Patriot Act a 'benefit' either.
BTW I would have let beavis (butt head's) first post pass without comment then butthead posted the same thing again. So if any of this is off-topic it is because butthead interjected a series of political comments in a thread about a "Challenge to Astral Projectors."
War sucks. People die. But USA STARTED IT and I do not apologise for my opinion.
Do you honestly think this is your last incarnation as a human? I still cant believe that. Does your statement make any sense to you?
War sucks people die. Is that what you meant when you stated they were justified? That war is a terrible thing? The U.S. started it. So it ended with some person's father being burned alive. it wasn't even all americans that died you moron.
It would be a sort of poetic justice if someone important to you was burned alive by a terrorist. Then someone could state.. "well the U.S. Started it".
You're an idiot. Plain and simple.. not because of your "opinion" but theres a time and place and WAY to state that type of thing. You dont have to take sides on how bad osama is or the U.S. to see how stupid that type of thinking is. I personally take a different view on it all.. but Im smart enough to know PEOPLE died.. people here might know someone who did. what right do you have to state your silly comments just to get a rise out of people knowing that?
Ohh yeah.. maybe on my last time around I'll understand that type of insensitivity.
If Bin Laden had attacked the people that deserved it (like Bush or the CIA) then I would be rooting for him. But he didn't, he killed innocent people that didnt deserve anything which just makes him a murderer.
This gave Bush the perfect opportunity to get the people to think its a good idea for him to invade Iraq, something he couldn't have done without the majority of the publics favor.
goingslow "Do you honestly think this is your last incarnation as a human? I still cant believe that."
Yes,
"War sucks people die. Is that what you meant when you stated they were justified? That war is a terrible thing?"
I meant they were justified because they were acting in SELF DEFENSE. If USA was attacked first by a country with 1000 times more nukes than USA, I doubt you and most other people would have a problem with attacking them.
I prefer nobody kill anybody.
Bin Ladin had a lot more reason to attack us than we did to attack him first. Justified is too strong a word.
IF usa was justified in invading afghanistan, Bin Laden was justified in attacking. I could never convince most people that we were not justified in starting it, or even that we did start it, so I ignored that we were not justified therefore I had to say Bin Ladin was justified to be fair.
"what right do you have to state your silly comments just to get a rise out of people knowing that?"
I didnt say it to get a rise. I'm tired of being told to shut up any time I say anything against USA's actions. Freedom is dead.
I want Osama bin Laden and Saddam Dead! They are a threat to America and her allies! We must take out the regime, witch already happend and NEVER ALOW IT TO COME BACK!
For those of you that think this conflict in Iraq is not just.
Do you want to wake up tommarrow morning? Do you want your kids to wake up in the next morning and have a normal day at school? Or would you rather have you and your children dead because of a terrorist hand!?
Or would you like your children to wake up and they have to take 5 diffrent pills and look in the mirror and see a face that has boils all over the place!?
What I am saying is if you do not be aggressive and do not take down regimes with ties to terrorism and/or have weapons of mass destruction then sooner or later another 9/11 will happen but it will not just be in New York City, The Pentagon, and a field in Penn; but it will be NATION WIDE and no one lives or everyone has massive defects because of chemicals.
You are right. Terrorists are evil. That is why I give a big THANK YOU to Osama Bin Ladin for ATTACKING A TERRORIST COUNTRY and DISABLING THEIR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT in an attempt to PREVENT FUTURE TERRORISM.
Freedom is not dead! If it was, then all of those brave and couragus service men that died in Afghanistan, Iraq, and in Kuiwat all died in vain?
I bonking do not think so. America is free, and will remain that way. If you think diffrently, then do so but do not expect to get ANY sympthany from me when another 9/11 happens but it is more deadly. I respect your thoughts and your words. For in our Constitution we have a right to say what we want. I respect that and that document. But RESPECT THE SERVICE MEN THAT ARE MAKING THAT DOCUMENT LIVE SO YOU CAN SPEEK FREELY WITH OUT BEING PUBLICY EXECUTED LIKE SADDAM DID.
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Originally posted by beavis
You are right. Terrorists are evil. That is why I give a big THANK YOU to Osama Bin Ladin for ATTACKING A TERRORIST COUNTRY and DISABLING THEIR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT in an attempt to PREVENT FUTURE TERRORISM.
So its terrorist vs. terrorist? I get the name of the game! [8)]
Freedom is dead. The "patriot act" (which is very unpatriotic!) allows anybody SUSPECTED of being a terrorist to be IMMEDIATLY KILLED WITHOUT A TRIAL. I suspect bush is a terrorist. Please do your job cops!
Illegally copying computer software is terrorism. I think it says that in the patriot act. Watch your back if anybody SUSPECTS you might do that. That makes it legal to kill all college students.
What trial!? Do you honestly think that is possible? We ALWAYS TRY TO DIPLOMATICLY SOLV THINGS FIRST.IF YOU DO NOT THINK THE SAME, THEN TUFF LUCK FOR YOU, NOT MY LOSS! The only times we do not do dimplomatic talks is when we are attacked and we respond with our military force.
FREEDOM IS ALIVE!
beavis
you ARE an IDIOT. The US attacked Afghanistan AFTER September 11, 2001. A fact which I am sure that you Are perfectly AWARE.
You are a sick individual. I should not even dignify your posts with a reply. But you have this coming!
First off. Osama bin Laden is not an Afghan. He is a Saudi.
Al-Qaeda is not a government. It is a terror organization that was condemned by every government except for the Afghan Taliban and Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
So you should get your facts straight before you go mouthing off about situations that you know NOTHING ABOUT.
Second. bin Laden and al-Qaeda attacked on Sept 11, 2001 because of American troops in Saudi Arabia and other mideast countries. There were no Americans in Afghanistan on 9/11/2001. NONE ZERO.
Third al-Qaeda was responsible for several attacks against Americans before 9/11/2001. The bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the attack on the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia that killed 19 US Servicemen and the attck on the USS Cole in Aden, Yemen that killed 18 US Sailors were all carried out by al-Qaeda.
Fourth. You just post opinions without supporting evidence. Of course there is NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE FOR YOUR OPINION.
So just give it a rest. Your comments are WAY OFF TOPIC and have no place in this forum.
I find your opinions VERY OFFENSIVE.
If you continue with your assinine 'al-Qaeda was justtified' posts then I will ask the moderators to ban you from this sight!
Greytraveller right on brother! You are correct! I BACK YOU!
IF YOU THINK FREEDOM IS DEAD OR ANY OF THAT UNPATRIOT THINKING THEN I LIKE TO SEE YOUR SORRY butt OUT OF AMERICA AND INTO NORTH KOREA. AND WE WILL NOT ACCEPT YOU BACK IN BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT TAKE THE OPPRESIVE GOVERNMENT![:(!]YOU WILL THINK FREEDOM IS A GOD-SENT WHEN YOU ARE IN A OPPRESIVE GOVERNMENT! [:(!][:(!][:(!]
YOU CAN OBE TO HELL AND DONT COME BACK![}:)]
greytraveller:
Please FORGIVE ME for not knowing every little detail before I have an OPINION. Am I right that USA (tried to) take some countries' nukes and left them defenseless (as no country should be)?
"I find your opinions VERY OFFENSIVE. If you continue with your assinine 'al-Qaeda was justtified' posts then I will ask the moderators to ban you from this sight!"
Then you will have to ask them to ban me. I will not be silenced. You have just proven my point that freedom is dead. I cant even speak my opinion in a thread that you chose to come back to without being censored, and you are not the moderator.
jc84corvette:
"IF YOU THINK FREEDOM IS DEAD OR ANY OF THAT UNPATRIOT THINKING"
How is it unpatriotic to say freedom is dead? I dont want it to be dead, but it is, and it continues to get worse.
"THEN I LIKE TO SEE YOUR SORRY butt OUT OF AMERICA AND INTO NORTH KOREA."
I didnt say korea or anywhere else had freedom. My idea of freedom is absolute and not relative to anybody elses level of freedom.
"YOU CAN OBE TO HELL AND DONT COME BACK!"
Thank you very much.
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I meant they were justified because they were acting in SELF DEFENSE. If USA was attacked first by a country with 1000 times more nukes than USA, I doubt you and most other people would have a problem with attacking them.
Wtf? o.O.. Self-defense is when you defend yourself against someone who is attacking you. 1) Those people working at the twin towers weren't doing excrement to Al-Queda. 2) We were as much in conflict with Al-Queda then as we ever were before those attacks. In case you didn't know, Beavis, the Al-Queda network is a group of brainwashed/incredibly stupid terrorists that like to kill innocent people no matter if they're provoked or not. We don't simply go around provoking random groups anyway. Maybe they once had an almost reasonable cause, like to fight against a local enemy country or something, but if there ever was such a cause, they've lost it completely, but they don't seem to mind as long as they have their brainless following. None of the things they do are justifiable except eating and taking poos.
Your comments speak for themselves.. You're either trying to get some attention or else have some issues with your respect for human life.
I appoligize if I offended anyone. This is just my rational and I back up this Country and I will with my life when I enlist.
This was a spiritual discussion but it broke out to political discussion, this should be locked.
Greetings everyone,
I am moving this topic to Astral Chat with the request that people do not get too overheated about this and resort to unacceptable language.
I realise this is a contentious topic, and one which has every right to be debated, but please remember the standards of these forums which I assure everyone most certainly will be maintained.
With best regards,
Adrian.
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Originally posted by no_leaf_clover
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I meant they were justified because they were acting in SELF DEFENSE. If USA was attacked first by a country with 1000 times more nukes than USA, I doubt you and most other people would have a problem with attacking them.
Wtf? o.O.. Self-defense is when you defend yourself against someone who is attacking you. 1) Those people working at the twin towers weren't doing excrement to Al-Queda. 2) We were as much in conflict with Al-Queda then as we ever were before those attacks. In case you didn't know, Beavis, the Al-Queda network is a group of brainwashed/incredibly stupid terrorists that like to kill innocent people no matter if they're provoked or not. We don't simply go around provoking random groups anyway. Maybe they once had an almost reasonable cause, like to fight against a local enemy country or something, but if there ever was such a cause, they've lost it completely, but they don't seem to mind as long as they have their brainless following. None of the things they do are justifiable except eating and taking poos.
Your comments speak for themselves.. You're either trying to get some attention or else have some issues with your respect for human life.
Nicley said, I back you up also!
That shitfull terrorist network is NOW PLANING ON TAKING CONTROLL OVER PLANES AND YOU KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN. AND YOU BEVIS HAVE THE NERVE TO SAY THAT AMERICA IS TERRORIST!!?? SORRY YOU ARE WRONG! ATLEAST WE DO NOT FLY PLANES INTO INNOCENT BUILDINGS!
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Originally posted by Adrian
Greetings everyone,
I am moving this topic to Astral Chat with the request that people do not get too overheated about this and resort to unacceptable language.
I realise this is a contentious topic, and one which has every right to be debated, but please remember the standards of these forums which I assure everyone most certainly will be maintained.
With best regards,
Adrian.
Adrian, Rocger that!
Why it cant be done is because its all an illusion.
Osama, Saddam etc is part of the same gang as Bill Clinton, George Bush and all the other dudes.. aswell CIA, FBI etc.
Why it doesnt work is because the truth is not what you hear from the media... its a total different Thruth.
They are all part of the same illusion... to make people accept The New World Order.
I guess becoming an intelligent person isnt important. I guess thats not part of learning all there is on earth.
I wont turn this into a who's worse argument. That isnt the point to me. What I dont get is this. You're against freedom being taken away beavis. You're against terrorism as you stated when you said something to the effect of FREEDOM IS DEAD PLEASE STOP THE TERRORISM THAT IS THE US.
So what I dont get is if you're so against terrorism why are you defending a terrorist country? Why not say they're both bad? Is Osama less of a terrorist. Are you impressed with his declaration and dedication to freedom? Maybe his stance on individual rights? Its biting off your nose to spite your face. Its hating america so much you want to support anything that will destroy it. Dont disguise it as anything else.
Saying which side is worse only makes it seem like beavis has a valid argument. But it is full of contraditions.
I dont think you're very intelligent at all beavis. I think it should be clear to you if freedom is something you value the last person you'd be defending is Osama.
Do you live here? Aren't you against U.S. policy.. what your'e saying is by living here each of us deserves whatever consequences comes of our countries actions. Do you have any loved ones? Maybe that's the problems right now. Are your kids responsible for what bush does.
I fear this will be lost on you because as much as this forum is against name calling. And admit it I haven't done it in a while. You are a real idiot. the fact you think y ou've learned everything there is to learn on this earth kinda shows you have no introspection. And you're not intelligent to realize how much you dont know.
Or ya'll could go to the chat room and have it out!..ooooo..can I come and watch?..hehehe
Nay.
Thats one of the smartest things I've read in this thread Logorat.
goingslow:
I respect human life and dont want anybody to die. I see 2 evil forces fighting and refuse to take the side of the one I live in. They are BOTH evil.
"Do you live here? Aren't you against U.S. policy.. what your'e saying is by living here each of us deserves whatever consequences comes of our countries actions."
The average usa citizen does NOT deserve to die (some in our government do), but the USA as a country deserved what it got. I am sorry individuals had to suffer so the country could get its punishment.
"I fear this will be lost on you because as much as this forum is against name calling. And admit it I haven't done it in a while. You are a real idiot."
I dont think I've called any names in this thread yet, despite all the names I've been called.
"the fact you think y ou've learned everything there is to learn on this earth kinda shows you have no introspection. And you're not intelligent to realize how much you dont know."
I wish I had never wrote that. It is MISINTERPRETED too much. I meant I learned ALMOST everything I needed to learn.
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Originally posted by beavis
Thats one of the smartest things I've read in this thread Logorat.
I respect human life and dont want anybody to die. I see 2 evil forces fighting and refuse to take the side of the one I live in. They are BOTH evil.
Somehow the conspiracies that everything is an illusion and everyone's in on it together dont do it for me. Its sort of just a wide explanation to do away with the complexities that are really a pain to deal with.
You completely contradicted your first statements with your last but thats OKAY. Stick to your last dont take sides then. You really should write your convictions down so you dont forget them.
I should not have EXAGGERATED my support for Bin Ladin, but it just pisses me off that I'm not allowed to say he had any reason at all to do what he did.
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Originally posted by beavis
Thats one of the smartest things I've read in this thread Logorat.
"I fear this will be lost on you because as much as this forum is against name calling. And admit it I haven't done it in a while. You are a real idiot."
I dont think I've called any names in this thread yet, despite all the names I've been called.
Dont play innocent.. i've been on the side youre taking too. When you phrase things in a way you know will really offend people (you knew it would.. were all old enough to know when we're saying "you got what was coming to you") its a lot easier to sit back and watch the anger without calling names.
Its a lot easier dealing with that type of thing when you are the one to offend. Its easier not to get mad enough to call names.. but it wasn't necessary in the first place and you do it a lot.
Sitting back and replying in a smug calm manner after the fact really doesnt say as much as you'd hope it would.
It really isnt possible to find him I think. How would you put the description anyway? "its surrounded by a lot of dirt.. there are many caves". Or "its a palace of some type, hes underground".
Just read the original question.
Is it my fault people get angry when I talk against USA? I knew it would offend them, but it had to be done to say my opinion. A lot of their opinions about this offend me, but I didnt try to censor them. I AM innocent.
nh
Do you REALLY think its either Left Or Right!
You act as if you are sitting on your asses and having one red card and one blue card and someone says "VOTE" and you are to vote and you do it without questioning.
And then you stick to that vote.
Its really easy to convince people to act in a sertain way to continue your agenda.
If people get scared they let the people that are controlling them to defend them, and what the people are doing is to letting their leaders do whatever they want.. they only have to say "We do this for your protection" and the people will say OK.
Dont let the media and those in control telling you what is truth, think for yourself...
Im not saying that i have all the answers but i dont think people that can start a war and kill thousands of people without blinking is to trust.
And if media has always been a fan to destruction and killing and want that really badly to report, why would i trust them that the story behind it is true?
Try to get information from different sources than just let the Media and those in control over you tell you what the truth is.
Dont just take everything for granted, try to see the bigger picture.
Would you believe something that has lied to you over 1000 times? Then why believe the media?
Well, well, i posted my last message at a few hours ago, and when i come back i see a war in here!! The war is because Osama so, i suppose that the solution it´s find him and kick is butt[^]! Just kiding.
If all of you are astral projectors at a long time, i suppose (and i hope) that you have learned something in the astral, for example, learn to be more calm. All of you are being very neurotic with this conversation. Forget about my idea about Osama, it was just a stupid idea.
Osama, Saddam, Bush, Blair,Aznar,Sharon, Barroso (the guy that leads my country), and all the other leaders in planet (with few exceptions, like Dalai Lama) are all the same. They want power, and only that. Of course that there are differences between an Osama or other guy (or maybe not, Bush kills people in a different way) that leads a state, but they still have something in comum: thirst for power. But i´m not anyone to judge them, maybe in a different way i´m worst, so it´s better to shut up my mouth.
And about 11 September, and Afegham, Iraq, Iran, Corea, Libany, etc, i just want say that war will never be the answer, even if we think that only war can stop terrorism, and innocent people does not desearve to die. And i don´t know the solution, but fire against fire only makes even more fire
So, saying this i thing it´s better to change the challenge: try to find a cure to any disease from this old world (anyone, even spiritual diseases). It´s more fruitfull than being here flaming each others just because Osama, Saddam & Cia.
I didnt read jc's posts till just now. I guess thats where the media comments are coming in. I dont get that type of thinking either. jc we didnt do everything out there out of some noble cause. It also isnt true about diplomacy. The problem is when people get so caught on one side.
but this probably shouldnt have turned into another pro, anti war thing anyway.
Its a Bunch of Crap, Walk Away!
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Originally posted by beavis
USA deserved bin ladin's attack because USA invaded his country first.
personally i think politics should be out of the way in any of the forums, this is not a political debate site, its a site for people who astral project, want to learn to AP, and things of the supernatural such as TK, and all of the other kinesis's, and by the way dont believe we deserved any of the attack, you think 3000 innocent people should of been killed ? are you sick in the head or something. anyone aggreeing on this please say so. i am an american im proud to be one all foriegners should either leave or help out the US and not talk about how the us stinks and stuff if thats your oppinion than get out!!!
STOP WITH THIS CONVERSATION!! You will only get even more irritated with wich others. That´s not the purpose of this forum. If i could guess that my post would make all this confusion i would never posted it here. Forget USA,US, Iraq, Saddam, etc.
My idea was never meant to be politic. I hate politics.
Let´s start talking in another topic instead of fighting against each others for nothing. If we are like this just for no reason, i imagine how easy it´s to start a World War!!
By the way, i forgot something very important: i will ask to the administrator to delete this topic from here, if this continues like we see.
I don´t know if you have noticed the importance of this discussion:PEOPLE THAT CAN ASTRAL PROJECT AND DEVELOP SPIRITUALLY IS FIGHTING FOR NO REASON. If such "advanced" people has no compassion and goodness, i think WE CANNOT EXPECT MORE ANYTHING OF GOOD FROM THIS OR ANOTHER WORLD. Madre Teresa, Dalai Lama, Jesus, Buda and many others didn´t knew AP and they were bigger than anyother of us. I think that we are forgetting the most important thinhs in the world. AP may just be other different form of power, other weapon for evil. But it´s possible to change that!
Wow that was a lot of agression. I thought a lot about this thing you said with Osama and finding him etc. I think there are several problems with such a project or obstacles rather. I believe that people who has inflicted such a mass of suffering and death (that goes for anyone even if he/she believes it to be in a righteous cause) is "led" by very powerful negs. These Negs is most likely protecting him and empowering him, as well as other politicians and desision makers. The wars we see here on earth might actually be the visible results of infighting in the spiritual, a quest for power in very low astral regions. In my opinion there is no "just" nation. Every nation on earth has at some time or other spilled innocent blod, and as such have been led by these entities, Spirits of war . Some place I heard them mentiond as Dogs of war a certain bread of Negs specializing in sowing division subversion and infighting. I think that negs revel in this hatred and hate and is able to use this as a channel and enter peoples minds even at a forum like this!!!!!. In a way those who chose sides and "speaks up" with great flaming words of hate agression can become infected by this spiritual discease that threatens to destroy the entire world. Have no part in it folks, it will only pollute your spirit and lead you further and further away from the truth into a world ruled by negative emotions. Follow LOVE FORGIVNESS MERCY , just open the doors wide to the sunshine and the darkness will flee of it self. (ha got all poetic here) anyway that is my 10 cents worth as you americans put it.
Hi Kazbadan ! Interesting question. A lot of people believe astral projection can be used to acheive exactly what you mentioned.
However, its not easy. I guess you could compare your question to the following scenario :
take the 4 fastest sprinters in the world, and challenge them to run 100m in 9.65 seconds.
Now, all 4 talented sprinters know that they have an ability that puts the task within reach, but try as they might, they can't do it. Until one day, when someone comes along, and acheives the task. The 4 sprinters have probably already done it in training, but in a pressure situation its a different story.
With regard to astral projection, I believe that it is possible to locate things / gain knowledge about things within the physical universe, by using different states of conciousness. However, I'm not on the side of the people that believe it can be accomplished by projecting into the real-time zone, as I believe this is just another aspect of the astral planes.
And now on to the war argument that has, incredibly, dominated the thread. I have nothing against Americans, and I think that 9/11 was wrong......but the 9/11 act was committed for a reason. The hijackers didn't just get up one morning and think "this'll be a laugh."
Perhaps if the US govt. had a foreign policy that didn't regularly infuriate the rest of the world, these things wouldn't happen ? Just a wild guess.
Mark
At times this place is a little ridiculus.
"now im not for the killing of people such as that" but....
Anyway I dont think people can sit around shaking their head saying "I dont understand this anger and hatred" at beavis's comment. How many people here know someone that died in that event? I happen to. Maybe Im just too attached though and should forget the death.. instead focus on OBE and ignore moronic comments hinting at the fact they deserved it in some way because of the U.S.'s foreign policy.
Have it deleted if you want. People will react to things. Its a lot easier if you dont care or it doesnt effect you personally. But I find it hard to believe you all could be so detached.. no matter how advanced you are if it had been your brother/friend etc.
But you should know that already.. the fact you people use things like this to push political buttons should be something you think about.
Your friend died nomatter what reason it was behind it.
I rest my case!
goingslow
your quote
>>>>>Anyway I dont think people can sit around shaking their head saying "I dont understand this anger and hatred" at beavis's comment. How many people here know someone that died in that event? I happen to. Maybe Im just too attached though and should forget the death.. instead focus on OBE and ignore moronic comments hinting at the fact they deserved it in some way because of the U.S.'s foreign policy.<<<<
My feeling EXACTLY. beavis knew what he was saying. And he said it in order to get a negative reaction from people. He also posted political opinions twice off-topic and out of context. So he got a strong reaction and that is what HE WANTED. So No surpirse he got ALOT of negative reactions..
And if beavis goes out in public and says the same thing he will no doubt also get a very strong reaction. But I don't think he will do that as it would not be a healthy thing to do.
Anyway your point about focusing on projection/OBE is clearly the right idea. That is why we are all at this site. Not to bash other peoples' viewpoints (no matter how moronic) but to increase our abilities to go OOB!
BTW this is my first and only post to this thread since it was moved from the Astral forum. I see no point in flaming beavis at every opportunity. Hopefully he will refrain from making inappropriate political comments in the future. If so, then fine, no problem. [:)] If not, then BOOM, FLAME ON.[:D]
What i can see is that its not Beavis that is keeping this discussion alive.. its you.
Leave him alone!
I have a challenge for you: if the astral projections is true, and if you can do almost anything, I challenge everyone that can astral project, to catch Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein!
If you can really to that, i think it´s not difficult to do such thing. You just find him, and them you tell us what you saw. It would be interesting to see if everyone indicates the same place where are they. SInce Saddam it is alomts being captured, we could compare the place where he was captured, with the posts here.
By the way, i have a question: if CIA uses Astral P. why didn´t they found Osama yet? Or the nuclear weapons in Iraq (if they exist)?
If someone have better challenges, it would be nice to post it in this forum.
Again, sorry about my horrible english!