change?

[cavernstoy]

Do you think that there is anything wrong with the way humans are effecting the world, the animals or eachother?

[Kazbadan]

What way? can you specify?

[Awakened_Mind]

Humands DO effect the world. Whether they do it in a right or wrong way is entirely subjective. However, there would be a majority on certain ways which we may consider as 'right'.

What exactly do you mean?

-AM

[iNNERvOYAGER]

Do you think that there is anything wrong with the way humans are effecting the world, the animals or eachother?

IMHO, unfortunately, what ever humans do is natural, as we are the product of nature.

Something I've always wondered. Are humans really that closely scrutinized by a higher life form?

For example, does anyone care if one band of ants attacks and is cruel to another ant colony?

I think that humans are very insignificant and given a few hundred thousand years, what ever humans do today is of no consequence in the distant future.

The universe will move on. I think that humans over rate themselves and are too self important.

[cavernstoy]

iNNERvOYAGER,

Humans are different from animals.  Not better in my opinion.  But we are unique because we think that we can live without nature.  We think that we own the universe.  We cause more suffering than I think nature had planned.  In my opinion, humans are suffering a transitition from a primative intelegence, to higher intelegence.  We are somewhere in the middle.  We have animals instincs, but power.  Because of this, we cause unreasonable amounts of suffering, are destroying the planet, and poisoning ourselves with the food we eat, the pesticides we spray, the chemicals we use.  We took nature out of the picture, because we think we are God.  Our design is fit for nature.  We are all living "synthetic lives", and that lead to the deformation of our left hemisphere of our brain, which is dominant to the right.  The left hemisphere of the brain is responsible for filtering your perception.  Everyone is disoriented, and I think we need to do something about all this.
We do make an impression.
But thats just my opinion.  What do you think?

Cavernstoy

[cavernstoy]

I don't want to be anymore specific, because I don't want to limit your response.  I'm just interested in how you feel about the way humans are living.  What do you understand as the greatest problem we are causing, or the reverse?  What are we accomplishing?  How are we failing?  What is the most crucial *change* that humans must undergo?

[Awakened_Mind]

The difference between humans and other species is our intellect. We have developed a language system that is able to evolve and adapt, taking on new and improved concepts of 'how to go about things' and living in general. Terrence Mckenna attributes this to the use of psychedelic substances and says that "lanaguage is a conscious entity with which we share a symbiotic relationship, we think it's ours, but really it's evolving toward it's own agenda". Interesting notion.

Secondly what separates humans from animals is that humans, for the most part, distrust nature. Other species seem to 'go with the flow' a lot better than we do. We seek to control elements of our reality that cause anxiety. Death is a great example, wealth another... the list goes on.

The main point being here man's relationship with nature has taken a serious blow from our history and needs to be restored. To be ignorant of this is going to cause consequences. Its inevitable.

-AM

[iNNERvOYAGER]

Cavernstoy, you ask some humbling questions.

In an effort to be positive, humans should have an instinctive conscious that knows good from bad, and a big factor is to have strong empathy for other fellows and creatures.

I'd say that the lack of empathy is the biggest problem.

I follow the belief that, at least with humans, we are influenced by the maturity of the souls incarnated here. This kind of explains why no matter what age we live in, there will always be enlightened Saints, and at the same time, a-holes running around trying to create hell on earth. And as you mentioned, in general, the disadvantage of being stuck in the middle, between animal urges, survival problems and higher inspiration. A really tough learning experience.

And  the problem that you mentioned, that as we get "smarter" or become more clever, greater power in technology becomes available to individuals and small groups that results in out of proportion havoc.

A hard concept to swallow is that it's all supposed to be the way it is. As individuals we can all strive to improve together and have faith in conscious evolution eventually.

-AM, that's amazing about Language being a conscious entity...evolving toward it's own agenda. Will have to look that up, thanks.

I agree with humans distrust of nature.
A small  personal example is when I depend on wind to sail, and then the conditions go flat, and I complain that, here I am, trying to do things the natural way, and I get sh^t on. Then I think, what the hell, I'm going to get a jet ski, trying to sail in no wind totally sucks. If my life depended on wind, I'd be dead.