Movie: "The Butterfly Effect" Change the past.

[Aries]

If I have ever Time travelled it has only been in Dreams, that I am aware of. I personally think it would be alot harder to go into the Past then into the Future.
Cause the way I reason it is, in order to go into your past you have to go where every single detail is the same. Where as if your going into the future you could just pop out at random anywhere... does that make sense at all?
Beavis I would like to talk to you more about TimeTravel and I will PM you later.
-Aries

[Blackstream]

Maybe when you changed the past so to speak you actually rearranged the book somehow?  Did you check other such books to see if their page numbers changed as well, or if it was just that one?  And what was the thought?

The thing is, I'm wondering about time paradoxes.  I make a think that moves a stone that causes a tire to pop that causes an accident that kills my grandfather, do I now poof?  And if I poof, how was that stone moved anyways if I could have never actually moved it?

[Aries]

You see thats the thing about time travel. People always say things like that...
Like say my GF died and I went back and saved her, but then she was alive so I didnt have to go back. But then since I didnt go back she died... so on and so forth etc etc

What I think is that if you were to change it, then it would be changed for good. You would go back to your time, with either no memorys of doing it or you may remember. But I dont think the time paradox works like everyone would think. Another possibility is like the one from TimeMachine. Where you would go back but couldnt change it...
I guess we will all just have to wait and see.
-Aries

[kiauma]

My own opinion is that there are very strong restrictions placed on messing with the common dream (reality).  To mess with the past violates our common agreement to abide by the commmon dream.  I think if it were possible to time travel we would probably have seen evidence of it - people from the future popping up and such - unless the sophistication necessary for time travel or forcing a different past also gives the sophistication to know that it is a violation.

I'm writing you up a temporal ticket Beavis!  []

[beavis]

Blackstream: Maybe when you changed the past so to speak you actually rearranged the book somehow? Did you check other such books to see if their page numbers changed as well, or if it was just that one?

The book is "Carlos Castaneda: The Art Of Dreaming". If you read it, it will help you with OBE / telekinesis / etc.

I didnt check other books because they could have been printed by somebody different and have page numbers on the left or not. Its enough to know that at least 1 book was printed differently than in my previous timeline. Other things are probably different too, but I dont notice them.

And what was the thought?

In that book, I read that everybody has an "assemblage point" where their interpretation of reality is assembled into how they want to view it. Right now we're viewing it mostly the same way. As the book said, I tried to move my assemblage point to a version of this reality that I was thinking already existed, where a few things would be different, but not specifically the book, but I had noticed the page numbers. While mentally feeling things, I looked at them but tried to see them how I wanted them to be. A day or 2 later, I opened the same book and saw the change. I'm sure thats the thought that caused it because it had more energy than anything I had done in months.

The thing is, I'm wondering about time paradoxes. I make a think that moves a stone that causes a tire to pop that causes an accident that kills my grandfather, do I now poof? And if I poof, how was that stone moved anyways if I could have never actually moved it?

I'm not sure, but when I was time traveling, time felt like one time doesnt require a previous time to exist. Once its created, its just there. Simultaneous parallel locations can exist. A time can be affected by any other time or place. Maybe they, being only 1 instant long, do change a little after they are first created.

[volcomstone]

beavis- you are a crazy mofo, Ive noticed most of the excrement you describe Is on the same wavelength as my own theorys,

problem is that I am very lazy and have no desire (right now) to type them out, plus i feel I should hold back my great ideas, so that I can make money!


anyhow, I am now certain that time travel is within the grasp of every individual on this planet, I also think that mans ultimate destiny is to make mistakes simply so that they can go back and change them

I have no idea why people are so bogged down by time, time isn't even physical, why should we obey time, it makes no sense.  I always used to daydream about time travel, etc. now Im starting to feel like my dreams/daydreams of flying etc are all there to remind me of what I WAS possible of doing, and What IS possible now.

It'd be sweet to have fast forward to, especially during long classes, bus rides, girlfriend talks, commercials, political debates, or even waiting for that microwave burrito TWO WHOLE MINUTES? DAMN!  

[Aries]

"It'd be sweet to have fast forward to, especially during long classes, bus rides, girlfriend talks, commercials, political debates, or even waiting for that microwave burrito TWO WHOLE MINUTES? DAMN"

My thoughts exactly... why wait two mins when I could have it now??
I agree that it is possible and is within all of our grasps. we just need to know how to master it. Although I dont really see physical TimeTravel as being that easy, I think that mentally you could do it fairly simply. I mean, when most of us daydream about things that are going to happen later that is like a form of time travel. I dunno... hard to explain my thoughts... plus Im off work! Laters..
-Aries

[The AlphaOmega]

All I know is this movie was without a doubt one of the most disturbing movies I have ever seen.  I wanted to walk out the first half hour and go kill myself.  It got good though!

[beavis]

Its about a man who can change the past and therefore change his present.

I think that some of the motivation of the creation of the movie was to make people think about their possible abilities. I think we all can change the past if we think the right thing. One time I did that, I caused page numbers to have been printed on all the left pages of a book, after they were not on any of the left pages when I looked previously. Nothing big, but definitely a change in the past.

I was impressed with the transitions between 1 time and an other, in the movie. While not completely correct, they are very similar to my experience with time travel, which only intersected this timeline in a range of 1 day and totaled less than 1 minute. But that was to the next day instead of my past. The visual of reality dissolving was similar, except I didnt see it change as much. I just left and came back and it was different.

The movie fell short of possible reality in only 1 major place. It was necessary to read the past from a journal to change the past, instead of just thinking it.

What do you think about changing the past? How do you do it and what are its effects?