christian questoins..and statments and someting

[Karxx Gxx]

WARNING: Christians, or religious people, may take to the offense. Unless your here to help, i suggest you dont reply lol. jk, i like arguing.
i havnt studied religion, and therefore cant point out so much logical flaws. Only am i aware of some christian beliefs.
yes, a very hot topic lol, good thing you dont have to reply.

1. "god made humans, animals.. yadayada" on the same day. How do Dino's and people exist. Also the earth to them is about 5000 years old. Explain why that is
2. Apparently god dislikes, or whatever u want to call it, doesnt like gays. also you "decide" to be gay. Well obviously if you choose to be gay and are not born gay, therefore you cant be gay unless u can erect yourself at will (well according to them indirectly speaking) , then your not gay so why is there protests. It doesnt say anything about gay acts. If you dont get it, you dont need to. A gay gene, by and for humans, has been discoverd.
3. Why did god make mary have his son come out a virgin, which was also himself, and god was the parent of himself, send himself on a suicide mission. (clarify if god isnt jesus)
4. i doubt people dont believe in animals that talk these days, but they believe in a talking snake.
5. there were more than 3 stories or books written on identical things the bible had. God made a son thru a virgin, was baptized at a certian spot, born dec 25, had 12 diciples, healed sick and blind, walked on water, died, brung someone back to like, came back alive (not in order) So why would the bible, also rewritten by king james, is the "true " "bible"
6. Whales, or "big fish" eat things. How can someone live in one for 3 days.

I used to be a christian, but no one taught everything, or really anything to me. They like to hide their flaws, so they usually talk about being good and tithes and what not. i changed my mind becuase i thot the bible was around the world and everywhere and it wasnt, so unfortunate asian people burned because their not reallly exposed to that. Just that small logic made me stop beliving.

anyways if you can give good answers to all of them (you gota have faith is invalid) then i will pay you 20$ no joke. yea, you deserve more than that. How bout the satisfactoin of me gonig to hell and you going to heaven 

P.S. i assume not much AP ppl believe in this, and i just kid. I really have nothin agints them, but here i dont have anyfriends really to care about if they would befriend me cuz of this lol.
P.S.S im really sorry if it offended you, dont take it out on me! blame 

[Stookie_]

How dare you question organized religion! 

J/K... I don't think the answers matter as much as you posing the questions. The topic in many of your questions aren't in the bible at all, just people's interpretation of things. Like the world being 5000 years old - it doesn't say that in the bible, it's just how some fundamentalists interpret it. There's a lot of symbolism in the bible that fundamentalists take literally.

It's good to question it and look at it objectively, but not necessarily throw out the whole shebang because certain aspects are completely misunderstood by large groups of people.

[Astral316]

My theory... religious belief systems are the result of playing "telephone" with truth, shared with the masses by enlightened individuals over time. This birth/death plane is interesting, telepathy isn't a readily available form of communication... the more abstract a concept, the more it's subject to corruption when it's shared. Truth, I'd imagine, sits atop the pyramid of abstractness. What's that mean? It means nobody gets a free ticket to the big show. Combine this with the fact that it's human nature to find symbolism in things, and to want to feel protected by a benevolent authority, and it's not hard to imagine why we have Christian dogma and the like. The idea is to find the concepts hidden underneath, those little nuggets of wisdom, to utilize and refine your intuition... because that's the bottom line, intuition. If you can see through the rules and preconceptions most have drilled into their heads from birth, you're ahead of the game.

[TheJish]

I dont have much time to go into depth, but This website will answer alot of your questions. http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml
Oh, and for the Mary question, if you actually read the bible, God "explains" himself. Only the blood of a perfect individual (God) can cleanse us for our sins, therefore, he sent Jesus. God is Jesus and also the Holy Spirit. Look up the Trinity. The Bible states that God did quite a bit of stuff after Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden, marking the end of "talking animals" with the end of painless childbirth. Just in-case you are wondering, i am not doing this for the money lol. I am a Christian looking forward to AP. (i have made significant progress)

[AstralBeginnings]

My view is this:  I cant shake the feeling that someone or something (which, btw I believe was us) created us.  Its just a logical conclusion.  But religion, to me, doesnt mean "oh lets praise a god"...religion in its current state is a form of control.  Plain and simple.  Religion is bad, belief in a "god" is not.  As long as its a personal belief and not something from a book then I will listen to anyone.

[Karas]

I wouldn't say god is a Trinity cause a Trinity is 3 persons into 1 such as brama-shiva-Vishnu in hindusim.

*my opuion of the interperation*

When we look at the concept of "god the father the son and holy spirit" we see that theses arnt seprate beings.

Holy spirit: (wisdom)
"The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old; I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be. (Proverbs 8:22, 23 NIV)

This is the feminine side of god (god is a mixed gender)

Son: (word)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; [bold] without him nothing was made that has been made[/bold]. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. (John 1:1-4 NIV)

"the word" is what created everything:
And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. (Genesis 1:3 NIV)

Same with Braman with the word "Om" which created everything.

Holy spirit: (wisdom)
like the force which guides you and give you wisdom and knowledge, plus powers which comes later on In the Saga of the bible.

With Jesus being a god is very Hindu-ish cause brama incarnates himselfs once in awhile and this is why there are many gods in Hinduism, but Hindu's only belive in one god. One of my fav quotes I saw once: "there is no god but god" and for the Hebrew god to manifest himself into Jesus is just like Vishnu incarnating to Krishna.  

Maby the Jehovah's witness are right when there bible says:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a God"
Plus Jesus prays to god but if he is also god then there are 2 gods! This is where the bible messes up badly and that's why the Jews reject the NT cause the OT god is the ONLY god and there is no other besides him.

The bible is also missing alot of books that were pose to be apart of the saga. but sadly the goverment wernt intrested in the storys and used it to control the masses. It would be epic to have all the lost text into the bible so we can see the great master peace unfolds itself.
It's a shame people see the book as something you must belive in and not something you can just sit and injoy it like any other books out in the world.

[CFTraveler]

WARNING: Christians, or religious people, may take to the offense. Unless your here to help, i suggest you dont reply lol. jk, i like arguing.

I'm a Christian and I promise I take no offense where none is meant.  Or at least most of the time.   

1. "god made humans, animals.. yadayada" on the same day. How do Dino's and people exist. Also the earth to them is about 5000 years old. Explain why that is

There are two separate creation myths in the bible.  Only the second one gives a timeframe, and it doesn't have to be interpreted as 'days'.  In fact, many christians don't.  (As many others said, not everyone takes the english translation literally).

2. Apparently god dislikes, or whatever u want to call it, doesnt like gays. also you "decide" to be gay. Well obviously if you choose to be gay and are not born gay, therefore you cant be gay unless u can erect yourself at will (well according to them indirectly speaking) , then your not gay so why is there protests. It doesnt say anything about gay acts. If you dont get it, you dont need to. A gay gene, by and for humans, has been discoverd.

What the bible talks about (mostly) is reproduction.   Very simply, the drive of semitic people was to reproduce and populate the planet.  This is why masturbation was against the law, and men were forced to marry their wive's sisters and other stuff like that.  So the anti-gay thing is only a side effect of the reproduction mandate.

3. Why did god make mary have his son come out a virgin, which was also himself, and god was the parent of himself, send himself on a suicide mission. (clarify if god isnt jesus)

This is a touchy subject that many don't like, but Mary was 'made' a virgin officially because that is how the OT prophecies were translated.  In the OT, the messiah was supposed to be the son of a young woman (almah).  Unfortunately, it was translated to beulah (virgin) and when Jesus was seen to be the messiah (Mary was married and had more children, according to the bible) they 'assigned' virginship to Mary, and the rest is history. 

4. i doubt people dont believe in animals that talk these days, but they believe in a talking snake.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but look up 'Kundalini' in terms of mysticism.

5. there were more than 3 stories or books written on identical things the bible had. God made a son thru a virgin, was baptized at a certian spot, born dec 25, had 12 diciples, healed sick and blind, walked on water, died, brung someone back to like, came back alive (not in order) So why would the bible, also rewritten by king james, is the "true " "bible"

Sounds like you just lumped together a bunch of stuff you heard somewhere.  There are more than three books in the bible, there are many many more; the myth of resurrection is common in old times, due to the recurrence of the seasons (death is winter, resurrection is spring) so I'm not sure what this has to do with anything biblical.  The bible says nothing of Dec 25, which was the birthday of both Mythras and Dyonisos/ Bacchus (middle eastern and greek and roman deities) which were celebrated by the Romans before becoming christians.  They then assigned the existing holiday to Jesus to make everyone celebrate it (since they were celebrating anyway).
I personally prefer my catholic bible, to tell you the truth (I have two different bibles, a Gideon and a Catholic spanish one).  It's closer to the hebrew and has original words and how they were translated.

6. Whales, or "big fish" eat things. How can someone live in one for 3 days.

If you are talking about Jonah and the whale, realize that all OT bible stories (and most NT ones too, I believe Jesus called them Parables) are symbolic, and teach lessons within lessons, depending on your level of metaphysical knowledge.  So that which appears as a mythical story of a whale eating a dude, may mean something else to someone who understands the lesson of undergoing a radical transformation after going through a harrowing ordeal of life-changing proportions.  That's why you see the message "He who has ears hear"- it's all about the beholder.

I used to be a christian, but no one taught everything, or really anything to me. They like to hide their flaws, so they usually talk about being good and tithes and what not. i changed my mind becuase i thot the bible was around the world and everywhere and it wasnt, so unfortunate asian people burned because their not reallly exposed to that. Just that small logic made me stop beliving.

But these ideas of (burning in hell) are based on misinterpretation, and the shallow understanding of a story about the end of death, and really, at the times these ideas became entrenched they just didn't know better about historical happenings at the time of these writings.

anyways if you can give good answers to all of them (you gota have faith is invalid) then i will pay you 20$ no joke.

If you liked my answers I ask you to take the $20 and give them to the children's hospital of your choice, or to someone who is poor and really needs it.

[Karas]

3. Why did god make mary have his son come out a virgin, which was also himself, and god was the parent of himself, send himself on a suicide mission. (clarify if god isnt jesus)
This is a touchy subject that many don't like, but Mary was 'made' a virgin officially because that is how the OT prophecies were translated.  In the OT, the messiah was supposed to be the son of a young woman (almah).  Unfortunately, it was translated to beulah (virgin) and when Jesus was seen to be the messiah (Mary was married and had more children, according to the bible) they 'assigned' virginship to Mary, and the rest is history. 

wouldn't that exsposed the writers? Altho they didn't really claim to be with Jesus in his lifetime. I knew Jesus had brothers and one of them was his follower (James?) but I saw a program on the lost text where it said that Joseph already had kids before he met Mary. (James?) is jesus' older step brother.

[Karxx Gxx]

CTF you have pretty much earned it, almost. And i wasnt lying about the 20$ lol. Just gota wait till i get a job and done with highschool.
the "almost" part means when you said "I'm not sure what you're talking about, but look up 'Kundalini' in terms of mysticism." i meant that the talking snake that was the devil, but you already clarified that god (if i remembered (short term memory lol) ) forbid talking animals.

And i agree with the telephone. People from my church told me most of the stuff like jesus was born on the 25th and how someone lived in a whale literally, not metaphrically, andmore examples. And you are the smartest christian i know when it comes to answering questoins. And the few who is christian, but still believes the bible has flaws. that we can agree on, i think some of its true, or used to be till misinterpetation or bending it, adding things.

Also the lump
5. there were more than 3 stories or books written on identical things the bible had. God made a son thru a virgin, was baptized at a certian spot, born dec 25, had 12 diciples, healed sick and blind, walked on water, died, brung someone back to like, came back alive (not in order) So why would the bible, also rewritten by king james, is the "true " "bible"
that thing, i didnt write it as clearly, but there has been other stories similar to jesus way before the bible was made, or at least before.

Bill Mayer Religious is where i got that from. I like the movie. Only if you were in there.. lol.

ALSO whats FT and OT and what not?

But anyways you did good enough for the 20$ 

[CFTraveler]

OT= Old Testament, NT New Testament, FT-no idea, might have been a typo.
The King James thing is actually 'sort of' political- the KJ bible became 'official' because the King was supposed to be 'of royal blood', and a bible scholar on top of that.  So he did his own translation and it was officially used after that.  It is also one of the most limited, because they took a bunch of books off the older Catholic bible.  Made it more "exclusive", in every way.

[Selea]

You can also read:

The Gospel according to St. Bernard Shaw
http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib888.html

[Karas]

We should start advancing and follow the morals of theses books, cause now people are killing the great teachings of other beliefs but at the same time promote there beliefs which teaches the same morals as the others that they are attacking. You can see this when you look at sites such as "answering Islam" and "answering Christainity" etc. They have totally missed the point of there own teachings and hurting other peoples religions so they can convert them to there's. I think this hole "word of God" concept has destroyed our culture and will always cause harm to the human race In the near future.

basically the morals to all religions is:
1: be humble
2: non-violent
3: forgiveness 
4: love all beings

And the most importent one
5: be close to your personal god who is in secret.

And yet only the inner peace groups follow this concept while the religious groups are defending and attacking others beliefs. Pretty depressing huh

Ps:
I'm learning so much while on this truth seeking journey =^_^=

 

    

[Selea]

basically the morals to all religions is:

A reason because these morals have many times failed (and very frequently totally caused the opposite results) in practice by the structures of religion is in part to be found in the same terms and the way to look at them. The fact is that all religions have started in a certain way and by and by the teachings exposed by the prophet/messiah/guru/whatever of that religion transformed itself in a thing completely different.

A cause of this is that language it's not the same thing as personal experience/knowledge and every term/sentence contains in itself a contradiction. Religions always started with a fundation that had pratical roots in themselves, and then transformed by and by in - and supported themselves only by - faith, to end with the paroxism that searching for that practical source becomes discouraged (when not becoming heresy) sometimes by the same structure leading the religion.

You have the prophets looked as rare cases, gifted individuals or sons of God or divinities etc. themselves, so regarded as unarrivable and their practical teachings have become only statements of faith. The same statements, then, acquired a certain interpretation (that's devoid of any practical experience behind, so without the possibility of knowing the meaning apart from speculation) that becomes a statement of faith itself: a statement of faith of a statement of faith.

Add to this then the different point of view on what God really is (coming again from speculation) and the terms, that are interpreted literally, assumes different meanings depending on this "vision of God".

With the terms you elencated you can see very well this behaviour.

1: be humble

This term has taken a flavor ranging from "false modesty", passing through "bow your head to others" till "know that you are a sinner, so behave as a sinner ashamed of being a sinner".

In real humility, however, there's no place for feeling yourself inferior to others (that, btw, it naturally implies that there is someone inferior and someone superior, and if you are the former to some, you are obviously the latter to some other), there's no place for modesty born from external considerations (that's born, in the same way, from the idea of inferior/superior) nor for sin coming from the same imposed morals of an absolute and external nature.

Real humility is born from the internal knowledge that there is - and there never will be - no end to the path, knowledge that "every man and every woman is a star" without difference in the quality and/or course thereof, and knowledge that the vehicle is and will never be, no matter what, perfect.

2: non-violent

I will consider this term only on the more "internal" meaning (that's probably the only one to be taken seriously in consideration), because the more literary meaning it's just evidence of yourself being a slave of your emotions (but also here all these terms shouldn't be considered as absolute dogma; example: if you are being attacked defending oneself can be plausible).

Also this stems from the impression of superiority/inferiority. If you consider the other a star as you are then there's no question of trying to impose your Will on him/her, because the other's Will has the same importance as your own.

However also here the term has become a sort of "never fight one another". There's nothing wrong on fighting like brothers. The universe was created and it is endured by attrition. Without exchange of point of views every form of knowledge will never renew itself.

The term, morover, also contains even more subtle meanings, as in, for example, the Tao. Another subtle meaning is the one of not opposing to change etc.

3: forgiveness

Forgiveness arises from the knowledge that "there's no difference between any one thing and another". Also in this case it has been "abused" as a sort of pretence that fighting one another is a bad thing in absolute.

It's interesting to note that this "not fight" as a very subtle (not in itself, but for its use) literal, interpretation has been used many times as a sort of assurance for the religion itself and the "structure" propagating the same (as the church). Example: the disciples are expected to never contest the dogma imposed by the teachers and the same religion as a whole.

4: love all beings

It has become "love all beings", where it should be "love every thing", and morover it's not the love as it can be understood by the usual meaning of the term. It is a love of a different (and higher) nature. It is somewhat easy to understand that this love is not tied to attachment and/or a need for a "result"; it is more difficult to understand that this love is not love born from emotion (and it is not necessarily tied to the emotion called "love") and it is devoid of purpouse. It is difference between "being love" and "acting with love".

This is the love of the true mystic, where 0 = 2.

If you step back to the level of emotion (as the term now implies) then, for example, hate can be a form of love stronger than the same love. Morover the "love all beings" turns the formula to all another thing, because in its real meaning it is one of the most powerful formulae to dissolve duality, uniting 1 and 1 (2) and dissolve them to none (0).

In the other literal meaning, however, it actually reinforces the same duality (making a difference between loving and any other emotion, for example) and it is an absolute form of conduct where the same should be individual instead. Taken to the literal extremes it can subtly reinforce the above mentioned "inferior/superior" point of view and in some way of using it, it can take a form of "love to obtain something in exchange" (why do you help the poor?", "I do it to reserve myself a place in heaven") and so actually turning love in a form of bargain instead.

And the most importent one
5: be close to your personal god who is in secret.

This is, as you say "the most important", and in fact, it's probably one of the chief motives (along lack of personal experience) of the twisting of all the others.

The way you look at God changes completely both what it is important to approach Him/Her (if there's even a question of trying to approach instead of relying in a general faith), and both the literal meaning of all the terms above. Lacking the personal knowledge of the terms, this is the only thing that remains for many religions and one of the principal motives that all those terms have turned sour and many times completely expressed themselves by their literal opposites in practice, by the structures leading that same religion.

[JohnOneOne]

I wouldn't say god is a Trinity cause a Trinity is 3 persons into 1 such as brama-shiva-Vishnu in hindusim.

*my opuion of the interperation*

When we look at the concept of "god the father the son and holy spirit" we see that theses arnt seprate beings.

Holy spirit: (wisdom)
"The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old; I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be. (Proverbs 8:22, 23 NIV)

This is the feminine side of god (god is a mixed gender)

Son: (word)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; [bold] without him nothing was made that has been made[/bold]. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. (John 1:1-4 NIV)

"the word" is what created everything:
And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. (Genesis 1:3 NIV)

Same with Braman with the word "Om" which created everything.

Holy spirit: (wisdom)
like the force which guides you and give you wisdom and knowledge, plus powers which comes later on In the Saga of the bible.

With Jesus being a god is very Hindu-ish cause brama incarnates himselfs once in awhile and this is why there are many gods in Hinduism, but Hindu's only belive in one god. One of my fav quotes I saw once: "there is no god but god" and for the Hebrew god to manifest himself into Jesus is just like Vishnu incarnating to Krishna.  

Maby the Jehovah's witness are right when there bible says:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a God"
Plus Jesus prays to god but if he is also god then there are 2 gods! This is where the bible messes up badly and that's why the Jews reject the NT cause the OT god is the ONLY god and there is no other besides him.

The bible is also missing alot of books that were pose to be apart of the saga. but sadly the goverment wernt intrested in the storys and used it to control the masses. It would be epic to have all the lost text into the bible so we can see the great master peace unfolds itself.
It's a shame people see the book as something you must belive in and not something you can just sit and injoy it like any other books out in the world.

Regarding Jehovah's Witnesses' "New World Translation" Bible and its rendering of John 1:1, it may interest you and others of your readers to know that, in support and explanation of their wording of this verse (especially within the third clause with "a god"), there is soon to be published a 20+ year study (as of 11/2011), a thoroughly researched reference work - an historical analysis & exhaustive annotated bibliography - it will be entitled, "What About John 1:1?"

To learn more of its design and expected release date, you are invited to visit:

http://www.goodcompanionbooks.com

When finally published, apart from discussing many of the other topics and scriptures often related to the man-made Trinity doctrine, you will also discover that we have collected information on about 430+ scholarly reference works (mostly Trinitarian) which, throughout the centuries, had opted to say something other than, "and the Word was God," and that, included among them are over 120 which had chosen to use "a god" within the third clause of their renderings.

As you might expect, we are very excited at the opportunity to share our findings with others.

Agape, JohnOneOne.