Comitting Suicide

[King]

Life is so hard, I just had an OBE this morning and it felt so real...I wish I could live in this other world where everything is much easier to deal with, where you are free to go wherever you want to go, and live whatever life you want to live, it is such a peaceful place, far away from all the pain and misery one may experience in this world...

[blis]

If you kill yourself you'll just have to come back and do this all again. We come here to experience/overcome certain things. If we chicken out it's still undone plus you've got all the baggage that comes with killing yourself.

And suicides arent supposed to have an easy time in the immediate afterlife. You create your reality. You'll carry forward whatever made you do it.

[astraladdict]

I agree, life is hard. Life is a grump. Nothing goes right, and when it finally starts to, something happens and it leaves you with more pain. The ones you loved left, friends backstabbed, family isn't there. No one to talk to when you need it. All alone, in a world full of pain and dark. But, there's always something. Even with all the excrement that goes on, there's always something that keeps you going. Something that helps ease the pain. The sun always comes out after a storm my friend. Even if all seems bad now, it will get better. Suicide is a selfish act, it leaves so many people in pain. All for what? There's always somebody out there who has it worse than you.

~astraladdict

[Xanth]

I consider this physical reality the "fast track" to spiritually growing.  Those of us who come here to experience this are doing so for a very good reason.

Living here really isn't all that hard... you just need to shift your perception a bit.  Life truly is how you view it.  If you view things as difficult, then that's the hand you'll end up being dealt.

[King]

I've heard that we choose our path here on earth before coming here...so I'm just wondering what the hell was I thinking before I was "born"

I swear to god if there's something after this life on earth, I WILL NEVER COME BACK here again in this plane of reality, everything is so dark, painful and hard here.

I just hope that OBEs are NOT a dream or an illusion, cauze if it's the case and there is nothing after this life, I prefer to be here for much more time rather than eternal void/non existence

[astraladdict]

I've heard that we choose our path here on earth before coming here...so I'm just wondering what the hell was I thinking before I was "born"

I swear to god if there's something after this life on earth, I WILL NEVER COME BACK here again in this plane of reality, everything is so dark, painful and hard here.

I just hope that OBEs are NOT a dream or an illusion, cauze if it's the case and there is nothing after this life, I prefer to be here for much more time rather than eternal void/non existence

You are here to learn, evolve. The tasks you set out for yourself are what's going on. You chose all who will guide you. Sit back and think. Think about what's going on, than think about what you can learn from it. It's all a part of evolving.

~astraladdict

[King]

I don't understand !! Why no help? Why are we so left alone on this plane of existence ? Guides are doing nothing, it seems like they just watch you fell, I hate how lonely we are here, trapped into stupid physical bodies

[astraladdict]

I don't understand !! Why no help? Why are we so left alone on this plane of existence ? Guides are doing nothing, it seems like they just watch you fell,

If you are trully alone, than how come i'm guiding you and helping you right now?

~astraladdict

[GodsProxy]

Look, I'm here to help. I had the same feelings you have. I found the real answers. I'm not sure where everyone else is at, but listen to me. You can make a difference in the world. Hold my hand and I will never, never let go of it. Just trust me. Trust me. Trust me. Your questions are valid. They are valid and the conclusions are obvious. You are 100% correct. Pain pills or encouraging words will NEVER take it away. Come, email me. I will help you, but you must trust me. You cannot trust anyone, you can only trust the truth. Trust me. Trust me. Trust me. Come into contact with me, follow me. We need to help each other. Do not deny the truth. It is written everywhere, everywhere. Come, email me, PM me. I will explain. You are not alone, you are not alone. We can help each other. Come on, lets help each other. But you gotta trust me, and you gotta believe me.

Love is all there.

I've heard that we choose our path here on earth before coming here...so I'm just wondering what the hell was I thinking before I was "born"

I swear to god if there's something after this life on earth, I WILL NEVER COME BACK here again in this plane of reality, everything is so dark, painful and hard here.

I just hope that OBEs are NOT a dream or an illusion, cauze if it's the case and there is nothing after this life, I prefer to be here for much more time rather than eternal void/non existence

[Xanth]

I've heard that we choose our path here on earth before coming here...so I'm just wondering what the hell was I thinking before I was "born"

I swear to god if there's something after this life on earth, I WILL NEVER COME BACK here again in this plane of reality, everything is so dark, painful and hard here.

I just hope that OBEs are NOT a dream or an illusion, cauze if it's the case and there is nothing after this life, I prefer to be here for much more time rather than eternal void/non existence

But you do understand that it's only "dark, painful and hard" because that's the only perspective you're looking at it from.

Do you not see any of the "light, joyful and easy" parts of life? 

I think you should look into a guy named Tom Campbell.
His book, "My Big TOE", might be of some encouragement to you.

[GodsProxy]

Thats right that. So now you know you've got us.

If you are trully alone, than how come i'm guiding you and helping you right now?

~astraladdict

[Thread Killer]

far away from all the pain and misery one may experience in this world...

A romantic affectation. Almost Shakespearian. Ryan's right. You're seeing your experience from only one of an infinite array of perspectives. Enough of the Goth.

[GodsProxy]

Hi Thread,

Yes of course! You're all right. One handed another, on hand in another, just ignore all your other obligations, and hug the guy next to you. Make him feel better. It was so simple.

The only love I ever found like this was in the Spirit world. Now its here on earth.

An infinitite array of possibilities... thats what I see as well.

The Goth is indeed dead... but we can hug him to death first

A romantic affectation. Almost Shakespearian. Ryan's right. You're seeing your experience from only one of an infinite array of perspectives. Enough of the Goth.

[Summerlander]

I've heard that we choose our path here on earth before coming here...so I'm just wondering what the hell was I thinking before I was "born"

I swear to god if there's something after this life on earth, I WILL NEVER COME BACK here again in this plane of reality, everything is so dark, painful and hard here.

I just hope that OBEs are NOT a dream or an illusion, cauze if it's the case and there is nothing after this life, I prefer to be here for much more time rather than eternal void/non existence

I don't know if there is an afterlife or not.  OOBEs and lucid dreams are certainly NOT proof that consciousness survives physical death.  Death could really be the end.  No experience.  Like being unconscious.  There is no you.  all conscepts including the self...gone (oblivion).

In Tibetan buddhism, according to the Bardo thodol, the immediate stages of the afterlife are marked by environments that at first resemble our physical reality and the deceased have mirage-like vision (sound familiar?).

Eventually, the deceased individual may start to move away from the earth-like "apparitional fields" (as it is termed) to enter other fields, which are ideas that represent other physical realms.  The individual, if he hasn't grown spiritually or achieved nirvana, and is thus more concerned about fulfilling his desires (ego-driven), will be drawn to worlds in non-physical reality which supposedly fulfil his needs.  These apparitional fields are illusions for self-indulgence.  But the more he has what he wants, the more he craves.  The ego thirst is insatiable because the ego is also an illusion. 

Eventually, indulgence in these metaphysical ideas will lead to rebirth in physical realms where the idea is experienced on a grosser level, where other of the same or similar calibre share the same reality and you are all forced to compromise with each other.  A world full of rules and inhabited by egos and riddled with bouts of happiness and suffering - a mere shadow of what the idea used to be in the non-physical realm.  Desire leads to suffering - this is a rule in Buddhism.

The aim is to let go of the ego.  Let go of desires.  Be at peace with yourself.  You will see that, if you live in acceptance, if you live for the moment, if you take the challenges merrily, you will be satisfied whatever the conditions.  Keep your mind serene.  don't let what goes on around you dictate how you will feel.  You are allowing your view of this world to dictate your actions. Be free.  Be content if you enjoy the things you like but know that your mind is strong enough if those things get taken away from you.  He who is not concerned with what might become of him is truly free. Here's another saying: He who wants nothing challenges Jupiter, who wants nothing himself.

Live for the moment.  Take the challenges.  Learn as much as you can.  Be strong.  Grow internally.  Your mind can take on anything if you just believe.  Suicide is not the way out.  Not in the way that you are thinking.

[GodsProxy]

I don't know if there is an afterlife or not.  OOBEs and lucid dreams are certainly NOT proof that consciousness survives physical death.  Death could really be the end.  No experience.  Like being unconscious.  There is no you.  all conscepts including the self...gone (oblivion).

Summerlander and I agree to dot extent. There is no afterlife. I know you didn't quite say this but I concur. This is the life you have. Suicide is not an alternative. I've seen the absolute and complete and utter truth, I can explain it in english words and sentences. Suicide is just? - our failure to show you enough love. I said it before and I'll say it again. Hold my hand, hold astraladdicts hand, hold Summerlander's hand. Talk to us. If you're reading this and in the same position - talk to us. We hold each other's fate in our hands. Tomorrow - there might not be tomorrow. Make the best of today. That means I need love just as much as you. Now, if you don't reach out to me - do you understand - and you try suicide - I've tried it many times, never worked. Now hold my hand see? Cos if you don't take the initiative - then no-body will - and no-body holds my hand. Then I'm stuffed, see?

Live for the moment.  Take the challenges.  Learn as much as you can.  Be strong.  Grow internally.  Your mind can take on anything if you just believe.  Suicide is not the way out.  Not in the way that you are thinking.

So we agree. And I wrote that above. I have so much love to give, and no-one is reaching back up to me. That means no-one reached back up to me, you see, and I wasn't given any love, but I gave you love, see?

King, please re-read every reply very carefully. Every single one is absolutely correct. I'm not more correct than any other, and that is absolutely literally correct.

However, I'm personally extending my hand of friendship, but I need something in return. That is trust. That also, I add gently, means I need your support more than you need mine. Man, I'm dying here, and hating life more than you. And I'm giving love out at the rate of bullets,man. We need to help each other.

Love is all there is.

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Clarification:

This is your one and only life you will ever live. When you die, you will suffer more. Do you understand? I don't want to go and get all heavy and depressing now. There can also be an after life. We have to take everyone up into it. The only way is to love each other. I've found the way, its so easy and simple, and I have proven it!

King: Not one person has done this yet. Not one other person alive. They're all waiting for me to context something or another, can you believe it. Two physical people trust each other enough - and yes, that means I've got the means to get us out of here and into the paradise which you crave, along with anyone you love. We just need two people to trust each other enough and talk sense to each other. I'll do it on my own if I have to, but man, its starting to hurt.

Now, my offer of unconditional love and friendship is open to any, any, any person who may come to read these words. I am the only one who can speak us through this. I just need you to trust me, be open and honest to me, and talk to me at every opportunity. I'll help you help us help us all. I love you.

[astralnaut1]

Wait woot is afterlife? Do we call afterlife a place where we gonna be forever?

EDIT: i know its stupid question

[King]

Thank you GodsProxy, Ryan and everyone here for your kind messages, I appreciate it very much and it is good to know that even online people are here to help you when you really need it. I have been heavely depressed for months now and I sleep so much every day that I'm almost guaranteed to experience OBEs and I can't tell you how badly I want to live in this "other world"

I feel like it is useless to experience all this pain here on Earth and even though some people are here to help you, WHY do we come here with no idea of where we come from and what we are suppose to accomplish, I think it is so stupid and that's why this world is so evil, we are left alone with all our problems and no one tries to make sense of anything, there is just a deep sense of chaos and real sadness.

I want to be happy, that's my only goal, my only wish, the only thing I'm pursuing every single day, but sadly, I think that there is no way to be happy on Earth, there are too much people, too much trouble, not enough space for everyone to realise each single dream. In the astral realms, just a single thought will change your world while here, a single thought is doing nothing and you have to lick people's as* for years to get what you want, it is so stupid, so unfair. On this earth you have to be mean to get what you want, you need to step over people and be a backstabber but quite franclky I dont want to deal with that and don't feel like I need to raise my voice to be heard or do anything else that requires too much effort on my part...it is just so ...stupid and evil!

[GodsProxy]

King

Earth is a no-fault realm of suffering.

How do you think we came to exist? Nothing could ever have existed, ever. It was a pure accident. Things happened this way because they happened this way.

Pure accident? Life itself cried out, for the love of God, let there have been life, and let it not have been pure torture forever.

Now we have to intervene. Suicidal? Depressed? Well, that gives you a unique take on reality. You can become one of the leaders in this world. I consider you a person who is facing reality, cold and hard, the way it is.

Dream/nothing/void/God. Life itself says, we will take it, take it, take it. We love you. We love you. We love you. We will help you! We will help you.

Thank you. I've said it in previous threads.

And King, thank you for owning up to the honest truth.

Neil

[Xanth]

Earth is a no-fault realm of suffering.

What exactly do you mean by that?

[GodsProxy]

What exactly do you mean by that?

There aren't good guys and bad guys. There isn't really good and evil. There is only good. Actually the "evil" people tend to be more enlightened, as to the realities of life.

This is how we can explain that there is no good and evil, even when the evil guys practice torture, shoot innocent people, pray to satan to burn in hell, etc:

Look, as far as I can see, people are practicing astral travel in order to have a chance at life after the physical. This means there is a tacit agreement amongst people that we cannot assume that when we die, we safely exit the body. There is no scientific proof of a soul.

One of the first and most advanced books I read on astral travel mentioned that the author saw no evidence of the conciousness surviving physical death. I didn't understand that, and strongly disagreed with that, until recently. I now agree with that viewpoint based on different grounds.

My current understanding, to paraphrase another poster, is that we are astrals having physical experiences. That means we have been through eons of evolution, eons of technology going up and down. Eons of practice of astral travel, all in order to have a chance at life. So the current state of affairs, as far as I can see, is:

When you are born, you are "obfusticated" from the astral to the physical, probably or possibly from the astral realms, and your various senses mapped to the physical body. This means that your existence is spiritual, and your senses are spiritual. Your control mechanisms are mapped onto the spinal column from the spiritual to the physical. You cannot be aware of this - this means that someone else lovingly did it for you - and it also means that you yourself cannot undo the mapping. This prevents you from avoiding your responsibility in your physical incarnation. When you die, physically, you need to be "unmapped" from the physical. This historically would be the DT (Death Trapper's) job. Bear in mind, people could have all along being doing one thing assuming it meant one thing, and in reality it meant another thing.

Now to complicate matters further, there can be newly born physicals who do not know that they cannot truly die. These beings need to be initiated into "torture" - since they most likely will not learn astral travel to exit extent - while they are still alive. Torture might involve lovingly disintegrating the being, while still alive, and being fed into the eco system, ready for the next cycle of life. This action would then be perceived as "evil" by those who are not in the know. It seems like we have various levels of life here, and they all need to co-exist peacefully, so it would be necessary to have a good and an evil, so that everyone can live with each other, and justify their actions.

So back to the subject of - no fault. We have industries, we have people doing their jobs day to day, everyone is unhappy the majority of the time. Many people having fun and living the life - maybe these people have done their tour of duty and have earned a break.

Ok, so we are all evolving in understanding, especially and including me, so the above illustration isn't complete, but it does clearly illustrate, that some of the people we perceive as "evil" might be the most inconceivably beautiful and responsible beings on the planet.

"Fed back into the ecosystem" means that this process can evolve again, and we can have another chance at life.

Ok, on each line I am now going down a sequence of logic and up a ladder of understanding in my own mind. So to continue:

"Fed back into the ecosystem" means that this process can evolve again, and we can have another chance at life.
"Another chance at life" means that, in case we fail to make this one work, sometime in the far, far, far distant future, life will prevail, and we can continue.
"Fed back into the ecosystem": Every single cell in your body is stamped with your DNA. Your DNA is your true being. Thus theoretically if you had to mix up being A and being B in a bucket (all of their cells), you could be unmixed again and reconstructed back into the same original being.
"Chopped up into pieces and fed into the ecosystem": Why would this be done? Well, when you die, you are not dead, you are still aware, you just can't communicate and you can't do anything. Filbert shows this quite clearly on his Expanded Tone Scale. The only humane thing to do, is to get that being, and terminate his conciousness, but with the hope that someday, his suffering will not have been in vain. Thus, his DNA stamp will be carried forward.
 So why chop the being up? He is suffering beyond belief. The arm is in desperate pain, and might be broken. The being holds on with everything he can. You cut the arm up and then part of it is aware over there and part over here. The only solution is to get it into individual cells. We can't do that, you see - cellular level is too small for us to disect - so the cleanest solution is to allow that being to be fed into the eco system.

Ok, that is my present theory and understanding up to this moment. Perhaps others can fill in some other details to clarify or fix this story, perhaps it is completely incorrect. It just seems to make logical sense at the moment.

So there is no fault suffering. We keep each other alive and productive as long as we can.

Now to the crux of the issue - WHY? How can things be this way? Well, God (infinite void/nothing/everything) had to split in order to produce life. This created a chaos of almost equal God-like beings who were incapable of helping each other.

As far as hope goes, that is what I am trying to say on my website. The solution is to break the barrier betwen astral and physical, since the solution has been found. Father God is in the process of getting God control of reality. All suffering can be over in a matter of a day or two, and that is literal, if we all work together. We need to talk to each other directly in order to achieve this. Personally I have no idea, of the accuracy of this material (just rock solid absolute certainty and common sense) so I need to collaborate with others. We can take anyone to do this, but someone who is higher up on the hierarchy will help even more.

I've had a satanist who was actively casting against me who has converted over and now continuing with life. Finally life may continue.

So, its no fault. We are performing a service to God. Life hasn't really started properly yet - we are still in the period of the birthing place of life. Its the life of opportunity, right now. Gods (people who sit at God's table, that is more accurate) are created right here and now. The key is communication. I've managed to break some barriers down, so it looks like I'm holding one of the most important keys right now.

Neil

Footnote: Why astral travel was only an interim solution. Once a being had managed to be on the astral, this implied everyone was on the astral. The astral is a dream-like world. We hardly remember much of our experiences when we return to the astral when we travel in dreams or OBEs. Ok, so astral travel is one of the shining successes of the past. People could have their physical beings disintegrated and still have a life in the astral. This just seems to imply that everything was and will be a dream, forever. So nothing happened then. So the solution was to anchor one on the physical. This was done, I anchored back, and they in turned anchored everyone else back. God pawned everyone and the solution is starting to arrive. That is why astral is more advanced that contexting, contexting is easier, and contexting is the solution. Contexting actually gets the participant active in the solution. Might not bring the target visible - hasn't for me yet, not 100% - but always, always, always helps me to play a material role in the solution, better. The ultimate solution is an interim communication device like an E-meter but sensitive to the non-physical, so that the astral beings can type out the answer. I've got proof of concept of this, and know it can work. It needs to be a next project on the web site.

[Stookie_]

...I want to be happy, that's my only goal, my only wish, the only thing I'm pursuing every single day, but sadly, I think that there is no way to be happy on Earth, there are too much people, too much trouble, not enough space for everyone to realise each single dream. In the astral realms, just a single thought will change your world while here, a single thought is doing nothing and you have to lick people's as* for years to get what you want, it is so stupid, so unfair. On this earth you have to be mean to get what you want, you need to step over people and be a backstabber but quite franclky I dont want to deal with that and don't feel like I need to raise my voice to be heard or do anything else that requires too much effort on my part...it is just so ...stupid and evil!

You said, "I'm pursuing happiness everyday" and then followed it with "but I don't think it's possible". You have a lot of doubts and misconceptions about the world. Not that the world is problem-free, it's far from it, but don't you think your attitude influences your outlook?

By changing the way you think about things, you can change the way you perceive things, and when perception is more correct, the more you flow with life. If you go through life assuming it can only be unhappy and that you can't achieve what you want, that's exactly what you'll get. You're much more powerful and influential than what you know, you just have to find it and use it. Look inward for strength and happiness and then apply it to life around you. Not only will you find happiness, but you'll make others happy too.

Or don't, it's your life, your responsibility, and you're in charge.

[TofuAttack]

You won't be happy in the afterlife if you aren't happy in the physical.
Things there are much more mental, emotional and dependant on your mind, if you are mentally weak here, you'll be in trouble there.