Hello,
i have been trying to AP for sometime about 6 months ago, but i haven't tried for a long time now, because i have so much things to do at school, training and everything so when i come back home at night I am totally dead tired, and in the weekends i sleep long(because i need to get some sleep after the week when i sleep about 4-6 hours max.) and i wake up at about 8 or 9 o'clock in the morning so if i would try to AP it would be another cca. 2 hours so i would get out of bed really late and almost the whole day would be gone... It's quite sad for me because i would really love to have an AP, but no luck yet, and mostly because of the time.
However, I want to ask a different. Today at school we were leaning about the biological creation of the world, and i think it's all just a piece of crap! I mean come on how can they know that 18 billion years ago the universe was created, 5 billion years ago the wolrd was created and 3 billion years ago a tiny organism started some kind of reaction on earth, that should be a similar one like photosynthesis and make oxygen and after that more of them came to life and etc.! WTF! That's just bullsh*t! But that's not important now, i just started wondering about one thing. I have never believed that God created the world, and i was very doubtful that he even existed. I am not saying that i know believe it, but i do think it is actually possible. I never thought i would even think about the existence of God, but i am. Because when i think logically, how was the whole universe created? And who or what created that thing or person who then created the universe?? There's just too much questions that can't be answered! And so i thought that i could ask you how do you think it is with the creation of world and actually even the creation of the astral planes? It's just so interesting that i had to ask what you guys think :D
They know the universe is at least 15 billion years through sound mathematical observations, they measure the rate at which galaxies are moving away from each other to determine the age, however, this age is calculated in relation to how far the farthest light in the universe reaches our telescopes. So in theory, there is more galaxies beyond this "light barrier" and the universe could be much, much older. The age of the earth is determined through radiometric age dating and is about 4.6 billion years old based on the oldest rocks studied from earth and then compared with the age of meteorite material that they also have determined has been in orbit for a similar amount of time as the earth has, and the dates are practically the same, im guessing there is physics equations that back up this age also, as scientists also have a somewhat clear understanding of how solar systems form, including our own. Lunar rocks are also about the same age as the earth's oldest rocks which further backs up the date of 4.6 billion years. They also can compare our star's current state to the observations of other stars in the galaxy and determine the stars approximate age, then its all physics from there to approximate the earth's age. Im not saying these theories explain everything but you are dismissing easily proven facts that you obviously havent looked into for yourself. If you are implying that God has more evidence then basic physics you are gravely mistaken, and honestly these scientific facts dont conflict with beliefs unless you think we just popped up out of the dirt when some unknown God created us.
It is also likely that microorganisms did slowly change the earth's atmospheric conditions over nearly a billions years, as all the requirments to sustain life were already in the ocean's water, it is theorized that microscopic plants released enough oxygen (since plants use carbon dioxide and release oxygen gas) to transform the atmospheric conditions.
Oh yes, you should look up abiogenesis and the experiments conducted for it. Scientists put all the basic building blocks of life in tank of water emulating earth's early oceans. They then continuously struck it with electrical charges, and well no life was created, several amino acid compounds and other complex proteins were created, demonstrating that life very well may have come from non living material. It is not as far fetched of a theory as you think.
So God created the universe, who created God then? Who created whoever created God? Who created whatever led to the guy who created God? That kind of thinking could literally go on forever and there is no answer. As for the astral planes, some people seem to think they existed before the physical universe, I personally think they all came into existence at the same "time" or always existed, as I believe linear time is a product of human counciousness and would not exist if we didnt exist.
Quote from: Capt. Picard on October 14, 2010, 15:26:02
Lunar rocks are also about the same age as the earth's oldest rocks which further backs up the date of 4.6 billion years.
not true. the moon is nothing like earth.
Yes, it is actually, unless youre with the whole "its a giant space ship" crowd. Obviously the moon did not form before the Earth, unless it is really is a giant space craft which I dont personally believe. The moon has been dated at about 4.5 billion years old and did indeed originate from the same interstellar material as the earth, it may possibly have been part of the earth as well. Where is your basis for your statement?
Well, from a lot of places really, over the years.
Spaceships and whatnot aside (though I'm not convinced that it's not artificial), the moon, by all accounts, shouldn't exist. But, specifically in reference to what you said (that the moon is the same age as the earth), based on the currently most accepted lunar creation theory, the moon should be relatively similar in composition to the earth, but it's not. It could have formed within this solar system, certainly, but you can't assert that it is the same age as the earth or that it came from the earth. Interestingly enough some of the oldest rocks found from the moon are a billion years older than anything found on earth (which doesn't prove that the moon is necessarily older than the earth). But there is also other evidence that the age of the earth-moon system can't be as old as the solar system (4.6 billion years). A lot of it has to do with the shape of the earth and the distance between earth and moon. Again, in line with currently accepted theory, if the moon was formed by the "Double Big Whack" (an invading body hit the earth, incinerated part, which coalesced and swung around and collided with the earth again, throwing off a chunk that became our moon), then why does the earth have all the iron and the moon relatively little? And about the lunar creation theories, the mathematics don't really work out as well as one would expect. They've had to tweak the theory numerous times, finally landing on one impact and then more recently landing on the double impact theory. Nevertheless, astro-physicists are still having trouble reconciling all of the math to make this theory work.
There are some really good books on the moon out there.
Like "Who Built the Moon" by Knight & Butler.
Here's a Coast to Coast AM episode with these authors http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2005/12/07 (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2005/12/07)
Here's a good episode of Red Ice Radio about the moon http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/moon.html (http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/moon.html)
Isaac Asimov even commented on the moon. It's just too perfect. you know life wouldn't exist on earth as we know it (or maybe not at all) without our moon being where it is and as big as it is (which the size thing is crazy too, no other body the size of earth has a satellite that big, our gravity shouldn't be strong enough to keep it, which it isn't apparently).
But yea, I'm not really definitively saying anything about artificiality or spaceships or whatever. Just that the moon and the earth aren't proven to be the same age, nor are they proven to have formed together or even from the same material (the solar accretion disk).
and there's plenty more out there
I've always said that everything in existence was built with just the "right" proportions... and just the right "stuff" to survive where it does. ;)
And personally speaking, I think we did a great job putting this universe together. :)
Bruce Moen knows of the creation of the world. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/bruce_moen_afterlife_series_books-t31933.0.html (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/bruce_moen_afterlife_series_books-t31933.0.html)
ugh.
can you sound anymore new agey ryan?! :lol: :lol: :lol: :-D
You are right that the composition is slightly different, but you are incorrect in that moon rocks are older than the earth, the oldest rocks from the moon are about 4.55 billion years old, unless you are referring to foreign meteorite material. The theories you presented appear to only appear in new age literature (which I usually treat as any other religious literature) but I will keep researching before I make any deffinitive statements. I require real sources on these mathematical inconsistencies but so far they dont appear to be actual problems outside of the new age community. But to stay on topic, the moon is only one of many ways I listed on how we know the earth's age, so going off on this tangent seems a little irrelevant, but interesting nonetheless.
UPDATE: The moon's mantel is more iron rich than earth's, either you got the theory backwards or your talking bull.
I moved this discussion to it's own thread
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/the_moon_what_of_it-t32212.0.html (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/the_moon_what_of_it-t32212.0.html)
We can keep talking about it if you want. Whatever.
I don't want to kill this thread anymore than we already have.
:D Thanks for all the info guys, and thanks for moving the ''moon thing'' to a new thread ;) .
Capt. Picard@ I don't know why, but i just don't believe the stuff about how the universe was created. I do, however, believe that what you said about the creating of the atmosphere and you have a really good point that the astral planes wouldn't exist if we wouldn't exist! That's the best thing you said :-). And for the ''who created the universe and who created the one who created the universe, etc. '' i know that i could go on forever, that's why i asked what do you guys think of it... Thanks all for the replies :-), they were all very exhausting. I guess i will now try to make more time and try to astral project, because it's something that really fascinates me. And so i wanna ask if you think i can have success while trying to only AP or should i do some training to have a higher chance for success? If yes, what kind of exercises? Thanks
How are we killing the thread? It is about the creation of the earth is it not?
IMHO it's more concentrated to the moon. Did i ask about the moon? No, but i guess it has more than i think to do with the world, but i am happy it's moved elsewhere.
Quote from: Capt. Picard on October 21, 2010, 16:35:13
How are we killing the thread? It is about the creation of the earth is it not?
Yea, it is. The moon topic just has to potential spin off into uncharted territory and I didn't want that to happen to jan019's thread.