Hi! I am reading Destiny of souls, by Michael Newton.
Have any of you also read it, and what do you think of it?
Is the afterlife really like these people under hypnosis have told, or is it still a subjective experience for each of them?
I don't know what to think of it and would like to hear other people's opinion. :-)
I guess that if there is an afterlife (and I strongly suspect that there is one), it is whatever you make of it. Have you read Frank Kepple's Wider Reality? A lot of what he said makes a lot of sense when I look at my own experiences. I think that guy was on the money!
http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html
Why aren't people in this site paying more attention to this guy and where is he? Astral Pulse has a gem here. I heard that he probably die. Even if he has, this guy's posts are valuable! Thank god Xanth has collected them!
I also recommend from M. Newton's Institute:
Memories of the Afterlife: Life Between Lives Stories of Personal Transformation
It is case studies from over 30 hynpnotherapist from around the world. Pretty consistent stuff if you ask me.
For me, it also correlates well with e.g. Monroe's accounts of Focus 27 areas.
Quote from: Summerlander on February 25, 2011, 18:15:54
I guess that if there is an afterlife (and I strongly suspect that there is one), it is whatever you make of it. Have you read Frank Kepple's Wider Reality? A lot of what he said makes a lot of sense when I look at my own experiences. I think that guy was on the money!
http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html
Why aren't people in this site paying more attention to this guy and where is he? Astral Pulse has a gem here. I heard that he probably die. Even if he has, this guy's posts are valuable! Thank god Xanth has collected them!
Yes I have read the Wider Reality, although it was more than a year ago. And yes it is a pity that Frank Kepple is no longer around...
Thank you for responding. :-)
Quote from: Volgerle on February 25, 2011, 18:29:44
I also recommend from M. Newton's Institute:
Memories of the Afterlife: Life Between Lives Stories of Personal Transformation
It is case studies from over 30 hynpnotherapist from around the world. Pretty consistent stuff if you ask me.
For me, it also correlates well with e.g. Monroe's accounts of Focus 27 areas.
I will have to see if that book is also in the library so I can read it. Thanks. :-)
Quote from: Timandra on February 25, 2011, 18:01:06
Hi! I am reading Destiny of souls, by Michael Newton.
Have any of you also read it, and what do you think of it?
Is the afterlife really like these people under hypnosis have told, or is it still a subjective experience for each of them?
I don't know what to think of it and would like to hear other people's opinion. :-)
A professional medium I knew told me about this book when it came out, also Journey of Souls, she was really excited about it because it verified what she knew to be true.
Hi Lexy, thank you for your response.
I have been reading several books, and in everyone it says different things about how the afterlife looks like, and they (the authors) act like it is the absolute truth. But that can't be, can it, if they say different things. And that frustrated me a bit. Or maybe it is just the truth for each of them personally and not for a crowd. :-)
Quote from: Timandra on March 01, 2011, 16:08:23
Hi Lexy, thank you for your response.
I have been reading several books, and in everyone it says different things about how the afterlife looks like, and they (the authors) act like it is the absolute truth. But that can't be, can it, if they say different things. And that frustrated me a bit. Or maybe it is just the truth for each of them personally and not for a crowd. :-)
I guess the one thing they all agree on is there is an afterlife, right? I think what you experience when you first pass over might be whatever it is you believe in.
Quote from: Timandra on February 25, 2011, 18:01:06
I am reading Destiny of souls, by Michael Newton.
Is the afterlife really like these people under hypnosis have told, or is it still a subjective experience for each of them?
Just curious. How does the AL description differ from Monroe/Moen?
Quote from: Pauli2 on March 02, 2011, 01:10:45
Just curious. How does the AL description differ from Monroe/Moen?
Well I haven't read Moen yet, and Monroe was a long time ago that I read that. I have read different books. Also I realise that I should have written down the differences that I have noticed and in which books I read them, so that I have a summary. I will do that and later come back to it.
One example is that I have read that we are not judged when we come back. But in the Destiny of Souls they talk about a council of wise men/ elders/ the Holy ones, where you have to go to, to go through your recent life. While somewhere else I read that you talk about your past life and your good and bad choices with your personal guides only.
Reviewing one's whole life in fast forward in the afterlife, seems not to be mentioned by Monroe.
Monroe/Moen writes about some kind of Recovery Center where people heal and go through their lives to get the best result, to learn what they should have done in special situations. But that Recovery Center seldom seem to come into play if people get locked up in a BST area, and seldom in a F 23. The Recovery seems to be a F27 thing, but I may be wrong.
Anything resembling a "council" is only gathered to some degree when people are reborn, and mostly seems to be made up of the members of the person's I-There. Maybe there is a "council" also on completely new incarnations.
Quote from: Timandra on March 01, 2011, 16:08:23I have been reading several books, and in everyone it says different things about how the afterlife looks like, and they (the authors) act like it is the absolute truth. But that can't be, can it, if they say different things. And that frustrated me a bit. Or maybe it is just the truth for each of them personally and not for a crowd. :-)
Ask yourself: are they REALLY saying so different things? Or just the same (or at least similar) things are being said differently?
every experience of the non-physical dimensions (I do not just say afterlife now since I think this expression is too limiting - we also have a 'before-life", btw) is personal and very subjective, it is the case also in this world.
you see, an event witnessed with different witness accounts from different persons with different angles, moods, viewpoints, opinions, reception capabilties, memory capabilties, focus/attention spans and interests, etc... often results in a lot of very different accounts, despite it being the same event at the same time/location witnessed. That is only natural, and the same even more applies to memories from other dimensions.
still, for me, there is a lot of consistency by comparing, weighing and systematizing SUBJECTIVE and PERSONAL accounts and that is what guys like Monroe or Newton (by different methods each) do, the similatities need not be perfect, varyiing descriptions are not perfect in this world, either.
Monroe had his own accounts only first, but later at the TMI he reported that also many people had been e.g. to F27 (without manipulating their perception) and other "localities" and they described it similarly, the same applies to Newton's deep hypnosis reports of his clients, or Kurt Leland's descriptions (for example)
look at it this way: we all had our first school day and have memories of it: the first class teacher, the class mates, the reception at the aula, the celebrations going on, the parents present, the gifts you get, the first introductions, etc pp.
still, everybody has experienced it with variations, but the PATTERN of events, organisation and locations is similar, possibly even the same.
So in the AL/NPR you likewise (and very likely) might be at a different council, a different school class (in F27) then, etc.,
also the teachers / councellors we deal with (or that deal with us) are sometimes called guides or helpers or facilitators, etc. and also received differently
Still, if we compare our experiences, we can say we all had a teacher, council, recreation place, etc...
still, all in all, in the literature, for me it is pretty similar if you compare Monroe's/Moen's F27 "institutions" with Newtons or Kurt Leland's "stages" or "places" (of healing, learning, counceling, recreation, planning, etc.)
All differences for me can be attributed to personal experience and preference of systematization and colouring of the same "afterlife reality", just like a first school day is a physical world reality in this dimension for almost every one - different, and yet "the same".
Quote from: Volgerle on March 23, 2011, 11:18:50
Ask yourself: are they REALLY saying so different things? Or just the same (or at least similar) things are being said differently?
every experience of the non-physical dimensions (I do not just say afterlife now since I think this expression is too limiting - we also have a 'before-life", btw) is personal and very subjective, it is the case also in this world.
you see, an event witnessed with different witness accounts from different persons with different angles, moods, viewpoints, opinions, reception capabilties, memory capabilties, focus/attention spans and interests, etc... often results in a lot of very different accounts, despite it being the same event at the same time/location witnessed. That is only natural, and the same even more applies to memories from other dimensions.
still, for me, there is a lot of consistency by comparing, weighing and systematizing SUBJECTIVE and PERSONAL accounts and that is what guys like Monroe or Newton (by different methods each) do, the similatities need not be perfect, varyiing descriptions are not perfect in this world, either.
Monroe had his own accounts only first, but later at the TMI he reported that also many people had been e.g. to F27 (without manipulating their perception) and other "localities" and they described it similarly, the same applies to Newton's deep hypnosis reports of his clients, or Kurt Leland's descriptions (for example)
look at it this way: we all had our first school day and have memories of it: the first class teacher, the class mates, the reception at the aula, the celebrations going on, the parents present, the gifts you get, the first introductions, etc pp.
still, everybody has experienced it with variations, but the PATTERN of events, organisation and locations is similar, possibly even the same.
So in the AL/NPR you likewise (and very likely) might be at a different council, a different school class (in F27) then, etc.,
also the teachers / councellors we deal with (or that deal with us) are sometimes called guides or helpers or facilitators, etc. and also received differently
Still, if we compare our experiences, we can say we all had a teacher, council, recreation place, etc...
still, all in all, in the literature, for me it is pretty similar if you compare Monroe's/Moen's F27 "institutions" with Newtons or Kurt Leland's "stages" or "places" (of healing, learning, counceling, recreation, planning, etc.)
All differences for me can be attributed to personal experience and preference of systematization and colouring of the same "afterlife reality", just like a first school day is a physical world reality in this dimension for almost every one - different, and yet "the same".
Very good point, I think you may be right. Although I haven't read Moen and Leland yet. I've read some books of 2 Dutch authors and one German. The next time I read them I will take some notes about their beliefs/experiences so I can really find and remember the differences and similarities in their descriptions. Hmm, I have a lot of reading to do. :-)