Did the Bible Code Kill The Planet

[NodesOfYesod]

im out!........ laterz

[kiwibonga]

I would agree that religion impedes on human progress, but I'm not sure I understand:

- The connection between the bible code and the rest of the post (trading and currency existed before the bible, bible code wasn't discovered until the 20th century, and of course, statistically, you can find "hidden messages" in any book that's large enough using those methods)
- The connection between jews and banking (wasn't that originally Nazi propaganda?)

[CFTraveler]

A few thoughts: Like Kiwi, I don't get the connection between the Bible code and the rest of the issues discussed, except for the possibility that you're saying that the writers of the bible knew everything already so all the bad things that have happened as a result of religion in general were created by whoever wrote it.  Am I understanding this correctly?
A few thoughts:  The 'jews' didn't write the whole bible- they weren't even 'jews' until historical times, when they became separate through a process of religion/colonization, etc.  The religious beliefs they had, and you can see this in all religions at all times, reflected the way their society and economy worked.  While some cultures saw God everywhere and in everything, (and you can see this more in societies which were plentiful in resources) other cultures saw God as someone that only favored 'them' (whoever they may be) over other tribes/cultures.  You see this tendency in cultures that had to fight for resources, and I believe I'm not wrong in saying that the ancient israelites and arabs, etc. had to depend on many external factors for their survival and thus this is reflected on their belief in an external God, who resembled very much a feudal "Lord".  Even the use of the term "Lord" supports my idea.
It seems to me that most religions were started by Mystics that realized that they had the power to create reality.  If you take a good look at the new testament, you can see that Jesus not only cured the sick and fed the poor, but showed his followers how to do it.  His mission was not to be worshipped, but to show us how to do it. 
It is my opinion (and this one is mine) that when he said "I am the way and the light" he was really saying "The IAM is the way"- God, who was revealed as the I AM works through us, is being itself.
There are those who believe that Jesus was sacrificed because he symbolized the 'last' sacrifice- Before and during his time God was seen as an entity that 'needed' sacrifice, and he came to change our relationship with God- as his children, not his serfs.  And thus he offered himself as the last sacrifice to be put out there for those that thought that God lacks something, and finished that ugly era of mankind, and changed how we see God.
My opinion is that Jesus came to offer and teach us the idea that we are so powerful that we can transcend the world, that we are eternal, but since we couldn't understand it from our limited viewpoint, he then showed us, by dying approx. 2000 years ago, and it worked- we're still talking about him, although I don't think we get him still.
As to religion being a destructive force, yes, I do agree with that- I do believe that very shortly after his death, the same forces that conspire to take our collective power away did it again, by suppressing what I consider the real meaning of his teachings, and substituting this by teaching us to worship him as something other than us, therefore denying what his message was- that we are all children of God, and that he is our brother.
As to religion and nationality- In effect, that has nothing to do with anything- if there is a conspiracy it has to do with powermongering, not specific to any religion.

[James S]

Just a side note here....

An old numerologist friend of mine told me some documents she'd read about Bible "code" - that there is a gread deal of Kabbalistic numerology all throughout the bible that gives a great deal of added information for those who know to look for it.

[kiwibonga]

the point i was making is this if the code exists in a hugly influential book "could" it sub-conciously cause people to manifest this world for hundreds of years

I see what you mean... But hrmm... Out of all the people who read the bible, how many read it in Hebrew? Right now, the jewish population is about a ten-thousandth of the world's population, and there are more Jews now than there ever were (even before World War two).

Subtract from that all those who don't speak Hebrew....
Then subtract all those who never read the bible in Hebrew...

Do you really think such a tiny portion of the world population subjected to these "subliminal messages" (which were so hard to find they needed computers to find them) could be the reason for the way the world is now?

[kiwibonga]

Well... I highly doubt that the Bible code can be perceived as a subliminal message by the brain. I don't know if you've actually read the book, or seen diagrams... That's just not something the brain picks up...

But even if it were possible, since the code was found in the Hebrew bible, there's just no way it's present in translated versions.

I also wouldn't trust the Bible code at all, since it predicted an "atomic holocaust" for 2006 ; we probably wouldn't be here talking about this if it had happened...