The Astral Pulse

Hello General

  Despite your name I`m glad to hear that you are a man of peace.It takes more courage to turn the other cheek than it does to kill your brothers.If you keep on that path you`ll be in good company,in this life and the next.I hope you don`t have to move to Canada, but if you do look on the bright side:you`ll get to play plenty of hockey.

Happy Trails

thats also why i want to move to canada, every day i try to get a game of street hockey going, i even go out on saturday nights to play ice hockey from 12:30am-2 or 3 am at an ice rink. I usualy dont get home till 3:30 or 4:00 in the morning.But then i dont wanna leave behind my Islanders, looks like im gettin a satelite.

Don't worry my friend, we are FAR from calling upon the draft.  Luckily there are thousands of brave young men and women, like my cousin and best friend, who are willing to defend the freedoms we enjoy everyday.  

And hey, don't fret...if things really were to heat up and the draft laws were re-instituted, you and Bill Clinton can hide out in Canada together and smoke pot until the whole thing blows over.  And then, if the US were to lose, you can come back to the US and live under the rule of some fascist, ultra religous Islamic dictator and then you will be really happy.

Legally you have to register when you turn 18.  However the likely hood of a draft actually happening is very slim.  People are voicing the same worries as in 1999 when some started a whole big fuewy about the Gov instituting martial law for the big Y2K flop.  It is now as it was then the speculations of a few people who always think worse case scenario.

As PeacefulWarrior said there are currently plenty of voluntiers.  

However should the need arise and I am called I will go.  I will no join under my own free will but if needed I will serve.  Despite the disgruntled attitude I hold for the way this country is run I can think of far worse places to live.  I see serving when called the duty of all Americans.  It is a fair trade for the freedoms we enjoy.

sorry to say it peacefulwarrior, but you are already beginning to live in a dictatorship under bush.

as for escaping a draft law, sure come to canada. "Canadain Girls Kick @$$!" . you'll love it here after we get rid of jean chretien.

but i don't think that the UN will allow bush to wage his stupid war any way.

~kakkarot

From http://www.lumberjackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/01/23/3e308ffd6cbf1
"The proposed draft, Bill H.R. 163, calls for "shared sacrifice" of all 18 to 26-year-old Americans. The bill allows for no exceptions for women and college students. This would mean all 18 to 26-year-olds would be eligible, unlike past drafts."

Moving on, I looked up the bill H.R. 163, "Universal National Service Act of 2003":
http://www.house.gov/stark/documents/108th/univdraftstate.html

wow, that senator is a really great guy.

but, uh oh. i just remembered that i have dual citizenship; canada and america. does that mean i'd be drafted too? }:) . let them try }:).

[:)] just being playful by the way, i hope no one takes this post seriously.

~kakkarot

bs

Depleted uranium has to be disposed of somehow. I don't know why no one thought to bury it in "enemy" tanks much sooner. Then again, I seem to recall reading about a design for a nuclear reactor that was invented in Canada which can run on natural uranium instead of requiring it to be enriched to 3% or whatever the amount is. If there is no need to enrich uranium then there is no need to make depleted uranium.

The reason for bringing back the draft and not having groups excluded (women and college students) was supposed to be to make Congress want to do anything to avoid declaring war. For now, there are enough people to fight that a draft is not needed just to gather up warm bodies.

i just watched a live video of bush giving a speech before the congress and ... . those people were like trained puppies: everytime bush said the words "peace", "freedom", or "protect the american way" the whole gathering stood up and applauded. [xx(] it was atrocious and made me want to vomit.

and his arguments: (paraphrasing) We want to blow up iran (yes he said iran, not iraq) to protect america. and we want to stop north korea from developing because they can then threaten america. blah blah blah." why did the cia take out the GOOD president? why not take out the morons? (shake head).

errm. i guess this should have been posted in the war with iraq topic, but ... i haven't read through that one yet so i don't wanna post to it.[yeah that's it].[:P]

~kakkarot

(psst. tom! don't mention canada having tech that the US doesn't. the US will try to get it too, and that would make the world a worse off place.  ;) . don't give the US our tech, PLEASE[8D].)

Hey Kakkarot,
This video of Bush "talking to COngress", are you talking about the State of the Union Address?  If so, it's a like a tradition to clap when the President speaks...

Anyway, I assure you that the people shooting at US planes in N. Iraq are not civilian women.  I am not saying that war is good, or is ever fully justified, but calling the US imperialist and saying we are guilty of crimes against humanity is simply wrong and simple minded.  The US sends out more aid than any other country in the world and I think that ONE (of many) reasons the US is going for Iraq is because they know he has weapons of mass destruction because WE gave them to him.  

I don't pretend the US is infallible or that there isn't corruption in high places, but generalizations never fly when you are talking about the socio-political present.

-DT

wo wo wo wo wo. i think something should be distinguished here: the president is not the US. the president (in my opinion) is an evil scumbag, but the US is merely a collection of different individuals who each have their own lives and their own sets of good and evil.

as to people shooting at US war planes, um... i'd have to look into the info on that a bit further before i can develop an opinion.

~kak out. peace all.

Guys,

Lets not turn this into a "defend our country forum" The whole world is screwed up if you think about it. Think about how dumb the whole concept of war is...
people have a disagreement so they kill eachother to "fix" the problem?????

dumb, dumb, dumb...

hate only leads to hate, which leads to anger, violence, and killing, a viciose never ending cycle. Why not find a peaceful alternative?
Most humans are too lost in the web of ignorance to ever see the possibilities of peace.
I for one will certainly not have any part in war, I'd much rather shoot myself in the head.


I am moving to Canada, besides, there are a lot more forests there...
...so Moonbeam (my hamster friend)and all of my plantly buddies will be perfectly happy there.

Oh, Kakkarrot, would you have any information or anything about becoming a Canadian citizen???? It would be much appreciated.

~Child of the Forest

well, child, there's some law about having to live here for ten years or something. don't know much else. i grew up in canada since i was one years old (awwww, isn't that cute?[:o)]).

but you should know, it's really cold up here. really. it's a whole +2 degrees celcius right now, and that could change any minute to drop all the way down to, like, -10 celcius ([:P]). actually we're having a really warm winter this year (and last year... and the year before that. odd that, eh? [:D])

but anyways, just to clarify something, our Prime Minsister (canada's equiv of a pres) is a moron too. he's called the "Lame Duck". it's soooo funny [:P]. and he seems really intent on making his last year his legacy (or something), where he's crashing canada's economy into the ground like the moon hitting the earth. he used to just be laughed at because he did silly-stupid things. now he's being criticized by everyone because he's doing stupid-stupid things. he's horrible. i'd like for canada to hold a referendum now to see if we could get him out of his throne before he really hurts canada.

the newest thing he's been doing is that he's been lying to everyone about whether canada would join in the US if the US went on an unsanctioned war against iraq. he tells the UN he won't, then he tells the US pres he will, then he tells the canadian people that he's thinking about it. horrible. if he tries to instate a draft law i'm gonna try to find him and rewrite his brain using telepathy or chi or SOMETHING}:).

~kakkarot

I grew up in Minnesota . . . it's kind of like Canada, we even talk like Canadians (yup!).  Progressive, liberal, peace loving people huddle up there in the cold.  It must have something to do with the original immigrant population - - - Norwegians, Finns, Swedes, etc.  Look at those countries - they are pretty peaceful and progressive.  Probably it's so cold they feel they have better things to worry about (getting the car started, shoveling 10 foot snowdrifts, keeping the fires burning and avoiding -70 windchills come to mind) than to fuss over what other people are doing.

As for the draft, don't worry.  As long as we have a volunteer Army, the elites of this fine nation can rest assured that the lower classes will make all the sacrifices.   As soon as we have a draft, the elites' own precious children will be at risk.  Think about it: will the U.S. ever have a draft again, knowing there will be no more "college exemptions" to keep the upper classes out of the military?

It's one thing to avoid the draft because you TRULY are a consiencious objector. It's ANOTHER thing entirely to run away like a coward from the responsibility of defending a country that has given you FREEDOM, SAFETY, SHELTER, FOOD and EDUCATION for your entire life. Don't expose yourself as the spoiled, irresponsible result of too cushy a lifestyle.  

There are very few TRUE consciencious objectors in the U.S, but there are a lot of whiners that want all the benefits of U.S. citizenship without paying any price for it.  I believe the problem is that in the U.S., adolescence lasts altogether too long.  In the rest of the world, 16 year olds know what it means to be adult, what it means to sacrifice.  

Oddly, it is the United States' "full-grown children" that the U.S. military recruits (i.e., 17-18 year olds).   So, a big part of military training is teaching young American adults to GROW UP.   The military does a fantastic job of it - - being a Defense employee, I'm simply amazed at what we have in our military, which is comprised largely of teenagers. I can say with honesty that these kids can slam-dunk ANY enemy in ANY war.  

Please know that I'm suspicious of the motives of this whole Iraq conflict.  I don't quite know what to think about it.  HOWEVER.  If a decision is made to go for broke, we need to get in line and get it over with as soon as possible. Remember:  FREEDOM ISN'T FREE!  The world is NOT at peace, regardless of our prayers and wishes.  We live in a universe of creation and destruction, and sometimes we have to play the reaper.  This might be one of those times.

Tish

After reading this other post about the war in iraq, i was wondering, will there be a draft law put up? Will the president reissue the draft laws again? Does he have to power to issue the draft law? Im thinking i should move to canada to try to escape this draft law and maybe get away from the terrorism thats probably coming to the US because i dont wanna die anywhere else except the far future in my own bed.