Leyla, read this

[Veccolo]

I ask the moderators to not lock this thread, at least not from the beginning.

I'm sorry MrMougsly that your post has been hijacked to fulfill a personal vindetta against me.

Rofl. Yeah sure, everyone only wants to get you. Get real, girl.

I completly forgot about it, but  many, many months ago there was a post where Veccolo came off as very aggressive and pushy. I told him to quit bullying everyone and drop the argument.

I neither remember one thread where I BULLIED anyone, nor remember I a moderator telling me to stop bullying, which were the case when I did what you say. I could be wrong though, so point me to the thread.

AFAIK, there is only ONE other thread where we, you and I, actually talked.

It's this one: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13362&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0

In this thread we had the classical argument OBEs vs LDs/Dreams, which you, Leyla, started. To your start posting I answered the following:

If it is true that dreams take place on the astral, then we are projecting every night anyway. An unconscious projection is still a projection. Does that mean we are all angelic bastards (uh how rude)? I doubt that. On the other hand, I doubt many things


You see, I wasn't even directly saying that dreams and OBEs are definiteley the same, but you sensed the possible "other opinion" and started to argue.


Your answer to my posting there then started the argument:

Veccolo - OBE's are not dreams.

Lucid dreams occur only during REM sleep, whereas OBEs occur from almost any state except REM.

When hooked up to sophisticated brain scanning devices (e.g., EEG, CT, PET, MRI) to identify brain-wave activity OBEs exhibit niether the brain waves nor REM patterns of persons having a lucid dream. [...]

Apparently, he has laid in wait all this time for me to disagree with him, so he could accuse me of starting argument.

What the hell did you smoke? I have waited for months only to start an argument with you? ROFL!

In fact, his wild post could have just been bait.

"Wild" post? Bait? I only said I don't need guides, god dammit.

I may have taken the bait, but for the record- I still didn't argue.

Not? What did you do then?

I didn't say was wrong to tell his guides to "F*ck *ff" I just thought it was funny....

No, you indirectly said I was a teen who doesn't know it better, which is quite arrogant.

And I didn't say he was wrong when he claimed he didn't need guides, In fact, I said that for his own sake, I hoped he was right!

No, you didn't say that. You said "You better hope you're right." in a way as if I had anything to fear if I weren't right

Veccolo - Are you going to persue me into my grave, or have you satisfied your thirst for revenge?

You surely have a persecution complex. Revenge for what? For our dream-obe discussion? Sure!

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I said I don't need guides, so what? Why does that interest you? Instead of ignoring a "teen boy" (which you believe I am), you, for WHATEVER reason, couldn't resist the urge and jumped in, started with an already sarcastic tone (" OK tough guy [...]") and began to "interrogate" me. I answered and explained why I think I don't need them. Without even responding to what I mainly said, you only commented to the last sentence, which you then combined with a comment about my age and/or physical condition, which you don't even know.

[Veccolo]

For gods sake, Hannah, I admitted I took his bait! He makes very radical, inflamitory posts because he  wants  people to respond.

lol. I said I don't need guides! That's all!

There were others in here who thought his statment was awfully gosh-darned arrogant.

Who? You were the first who responded to my "I don't need guides". What, in the names of the countless gods I can't pronounce, was arrogant about the statement that I don't need spiritual guides?!

But I still think it's insane for him to lay in wait all this time, praying for the moment I would disagree with him on something, anything, just so he could play "turn the tables."

You are crazy, sorry I have to say that. YOU, as a person, doesn't interest me the slightest. What I don't like is when people start attacking me without reason and then turn it the way as if THEY were the victim.

I mean, I didn't even think it was that big of a deal, I had forgotten all about it until this came up!

I thought that too, but then you started with attacking my OPINION.

This has got out of control. I say we bury the hatchet. This needn't turn into "The Hatfields and the Mccoys."

Then be more careful in future. Sorry Leyla, you were the one who started all this.

[Nay]

And I'm sorry...I'm ending it.  Thread locked.

Have you learned anything at all about how we like these forums to be run?  This little personal tete'tete can be taken to PM's or out of the forums all together.

Both of you..stop

Nay