Astral plane as "time machine"

[Asguard]

So..

Time it doesn't exist in astral plane, in the astral plane everything is an "eternal now", so it's possible travel back in time.

Now, what about alter the past?. This it looks a little more complicated, but i have understand that its possible do it. Go back to that moment that you would like to change and make it. Maybe evoking that moment and change it would works.

[KI Aura]

I don't want to sound rude...but you literally just said time doesn't exist in the astral... so how could you possibly travel through it

[Asguard]

Because in astral plane time is not linear, time is a moment, an eternal now.

That's whay we can go back into the past in astral plane. Cronologic time is just an ilusion.

[CFTraveler]

So..

Time it doesn't exist in astral plane, in the astral plane everything is an "eternal now", so it's possible travel back in time.

Actually it does exist, just differently.  Time isn't supposed to exist in the mental plane, because it's purely conceptual, but the astral has some sort of perceptual component, and perception presupposes distance (as KI Aura cleverly pointed out), and distance presupposes spatiality.  And since time is merely a measurement of change in space, time exists, although not like in the physical.  But time does exist.  That's why when you go to an astral plane and then come back, you can detect changes.  Because time has passed.  Just not physical time.  Astral time.

That's the problem with the mental plane, it's in the 'eternal now', while other methods of perception (or perceptual bodies) exist in a different phase than the mental body.  This makes it harder to access but easier to use.

[Asguard]

Ok.. Maybe could be different, but the point its that is possible back in the past and that possibilities that I said.

[KI Aura]

Hey now, I didn't say that time didn't exist in the astral, i was just referring back to what he/she had once mentioned  , basically what I was trying to point out is that if he/she thought time weren't "real" in the astral, maybe that's why they couldn't travel through it ... I hope you find your answers 

[CFTraveler]

Hey now, I didn't say that time didn't exist in the astral, i was just referring back to what he/she had once mentioned  , basically what I was trying to point out is that if he/she thought time weren't "real" in the astral, maybe that's why they couldn't travel through it ... I hope you find your answers 

I was agreeing with you.

I don't think you 'travel through time' to go back in time, 'cause you're already there, and in the future, and in the now, 'cause it's all the now, you just perceive it one change at a time.
So maybe you can observe the past (or the future) but you have to come to the physical to be able to affect it-and the only thing that can change from the physical is the future, it seems to me, since it stems from your actions.
Maybe that's why the 'many worlds' theory in physics just won't die, no matter how 'magicky' it sounds.

[Asguard]

Past can be changed too.

Or maybe go into another timeline would be possible.

[KI Aura]

The past can't be changed without affecting the present. I honestly don't believe that you can change the past on an astral level. I can't AP and punch my dad in the face..well I can..but it doesnt do anything.. so how do you expect to be able to "change" something that has already been set in motion?

[Stookie]

You have to carry a picture of your family with you. As you travel back and alter things, study the picture for any changes. If your hand starts to disappear while playing guitar at a 1950's senior prom, things aren't going too well and you have to act quick. I saw a documentary on it.

[Asguard]

That's back to the future..

If you are not serious with this, please evit your comments.

Thanks

[KI Aura]

You have to carry a picture of your family with you. As you travel back and alter things, study the picture for any changes. If your hand starts to disappear while playing guitar at a 1950's senior prom, things aren't going too well and you have to act quick. I saw a documentary on it.

HAHAHAAHAHAHAH!!!!!

[Asguard]

I thought that this people could be serious.

Well, nevermind.

Thanks for nothing.

[Stookie]

Sorry, maybe it would be better in another section, like metaphysics or quantum physics or paranormal. If you're really serious, there are a lot of existing threads on the subject. I'm sure it's something that one could work towards, but the first step is mastering astral projection. Skills like psychically looking into the past aren't necessarily easy.

[KI Aura]

I agree, and as for being serious, yeah, it would be nice, BUT, life is too short to insert quick quirks! If you didn't the end result of your research and results would be fun, would you really want to do it? Well, maybe, but still, the above comments you took wrongly. You shouldn't be so harsh, in fact, you should have laughed and said YEAH JUST LIKE THAT! Seriously, if it weren't for humor, this world would be pretty dull don't ya think . Stookie, can't you move topics to other sections of the forum since you're a MOD?

[iNNERvOYAGER]

I'm not expert at this, but you have to consider which past of what universe are you seeing with the possibility of an infinite amount of universes parallel to our own with infinite subtle or great variations in change.

I tend to see the future of alternate existences as my love for SciFI and the desire to see intelligence reach an advanced state has always been with me.

I don't care to see the distant past, or anything that is retro-intelligence, or primitive because ignorance leads to pain, embarrassment, and shame.

The study of history is necessary to help us learn from the mistakes of others. But that is all the past is to me, simply an endless trail of painful mistakes.

Looking into the future is pleasurable because you are leapfrogging the painful process required to achieve the product.

Naturally it has to be possible to see the past of a civilization that is technically more advanced than ours is today, but I still consider anything that is advanced to be the future, so an obvious paradox.

Sorry for the bit of cynicism, but I just got over a crippling back injury, and the future is looking good I hope.

[Stookie]

Stookie, can't you move topics to other sections of the forum since you're a MOD?

If Asguard wants me to. "Chat" is basically for anything.

[volcomstone]

Here's my observations:

  1. Time exists in astral, however there is no "tick" it is simply a measure of "progress". (or understanding/perception)

  2. Places in the astral can be seen as be seen as "timeless", because of the metaprogramming or the fact that no observable* changes in the landscape have taken place. *observable to you*

  3. You can request to travel "backwards" in time, however this isn't time travel itself as the astral (akashic in particular) has already been "overwritten" infinite times over.  What you are seeing is an interpretation of what occured.

4. The viewing of "astral past" and "reality past" are two different executions, however are not exclusive to eachother (they typically blend).  It is nearly impossible to distuinguish an astral symbol that exists in the "reality past" from true events that occured. "astral past" is simply the history of the "astral plane".

5. Observations alter the astral landscape. New perceptions and understandings also alter the astral landscape.

I could go on for a loooong time, but many of these concepts are lost with words.

One anecdote:   Astral landscapes in my mind (the overall geography anyway) tend to be pretty stable.  Some places I haven't visited in a while stay stagnant, others I haven't visited in a while have changes (minor or major). Typically however I am instantly aware and understand how these changes took place (the story is already "known" to me because my life experiences/dreams have already written these intructions to take place)**. Astral perception is uniquely individual, even if changes to the astral are a result of global changes, and have little to do with you as an individual, they are still absorbed into your being, and as part of the whole, you create a perception that is intimate with your own personal being.


** yes written, because although you may be observing these changes for the first time you must first structure it into symbolic representations.

[Asguard]

I'm not expert at this, but you have to consider which past of what universe are you seeing with the possibility of an infinite amount of universes parallel to our own with infinite subtle or great variations in change.

That's the point, see an universe parallel and then stay in that Universe parallel..