LOCHNESS A Myth? Say it ain't so!

[no_leaf_clover]

That's pretty conclusive. []

There is a river that either runs to or from the loch (I can't remember which) that's surrounded by steep cliffs. It was suggested on a Discovery Channel program I watched that at times, when the water is higher, some sea creatures native to that area of Europe (and related to the manatee?) can enter the lake during certain times of the year. That might explain some things about Loch Ness.

But, there have also been plenty of decaying bodies drug up from lake beds that were completely unidentifiable and resembled small dinosaurs. I have articles about such occurances in a book, so if anyone wants to see them, I have the articles. There were pictures to go with it, but I don't have a working scanner. The pictures showed a large, extremely decayed object covered in seaweed that looked like a long, thin manatee. So even though dinosaurs living in lakes is near impossible, scientists openly admit we have yet to discover most of the species that live on Earth.

[clandestino]

There's a hotel on the banks of the loch where my dad stayed for a couple of weeks, whilst working up there about 15 years ago.

One night whilst at the bar, the barman pointed out an old man sitting in the corner. Apparently this old man has been trying to catch "nessie" for over 50 years. Every night, he puts a lump of meat on a big cast iron hook, ties it to a rope, throws it in, and then lashes the rope to a big tree. According to the barman, the old man saw nessie when he was younger, and vowed to catch it.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

quote:They hoped the air in Nessie's lungs would reflect a distorted signal back to their sonar sensors

What if Nessie is a fish, thus has no lungs so no distortion? Really I find the article vague. Was this a constant survey leaving on holes for something to slip through? Did they survey part of the lake one day, another part another day, and just assume that anything such as a Loch Ness "monster" would remain stationary? Question everything. Any "facts" can usually be lead to support one theory or another.

quote:people see what they want to see.

This is of coarse true, no matter what plane you happen to be on.


I find the term monster rather offensive. If something exists in the lake it is by no means a monster. It is an animal that should be protected, preserved, and respected. The term monster is fantasy that brings up thoughts of villagers with pitchforks and torches ready to lynch anyone or anything that is different than their way of thinking. That is my rant for today. []

[RandomName]

I beleive people see what they want to see is completely true, but Loch Ness is too big to study and assume nothing is there.

Nessie(if real) is a VERY large creature in a HUGE lake, meaning they aren't going to find crap studying one place at a time.

Also, there are theories about Nessie moving in and out of the lake through the river mentioned earlier.

Nessie survival over the other dinosaurs was theorized to be that Nessie had hung under the ice in the ice age and was breathing through whatever small cracks, but then again, the dinosaur would have a hard time living THIS LONG.

I personally think that the Loch Ness monster does exist, but that everyone is making a big deal about it. So its a dinosaur or some huge fishy, who gives a damn? Science knows enough as it is. Only reason to hunt the sucker is for a cure for cancer/aids, which your not going to find ina  reptile.

[Rob]

Naaaahhh!!!!!
Dont be silly, of course Nessie is real!
Well, actually that isnt really very conclusive, the article. Strange creatures like the lock ness monster, bigfoot (bigfeet?? []), often have aahh highly "irregular" features for our physical dimension eg glowing red eyes, being partly transparent etc, and a tendancy to be seen once but never eg in the same woods later on. Anyway, to be brief, it all indicates that these creatures are actually manifestations of the collective subconscious. Tom Bearden is pretty hot on this topic:
http://www.cheniere.org/books/excalibur/watermonsters.htm
from the book Excablibur Briefing (quite good, though rather dated in places and virtually inpenetrable at first, it has with some excellent concepts)
http://www.cheniere.org/books/excalibur/index.html
Its interesting really, because the first thought is to say that, being "just manifestations of the collective subconscious" they aint real. I mean, they werent there yesterday and all....but what is time? Only what was once the present, not real, the past can be altered (and stay "just as real" as its not in the first place). And, how were we created? In the same way, and we are carrying on the process of creation, little gods in our own right, and collectively. I like that idea.
(theory can also be extended to many of the UFO sightings, although IMO not all as there is probably a wide variety of different things going on including beings that likely "did come from other planets" (AARRGG!!! headache). But, being out of tune with us, they cant be seen, only those whose frequencies of reality impinge in ours, which is again very connected to the collective unconsciousness' of the species....hehe....fun [])

[PeacefulWarrior]

I stumbled upon the following article and I thought some of you might find this interesting.  Ever since I was young I kind of hoped that a monster like the Lochness might exist, so I guess I'll just ignore this![]


Hi-tech study fails to find Nessie
Tuesday, July 29, 2003 Posted: 2:09 PM EDT (1809 GMT)
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There was an anticipation that we would come up with a large sonar anomaly that could have been a monster, but it wasn't to be.  
-- Hugh MacKay, researcher  


LONDON, England (AP) -- The Loch Ness monster is a Loch Ness myth.

At least according to the British Broadcasting Corp., which says a team which trawled the loch for any signs of the famous monster came up with nothing more than a buoy moored several yards below the surface.

The team used 600 separate sonar beams and satellite navigation technology to trawl the loch, but found no trace of any monster, the BBC said in a television program broadcast Sunday.

Previous reported sightings of a large beast in the gray waters of the lake led to speculation that the loch may contain a plesiosaur, a marine reptile which died out with the dinosaurs.

Searching for clues
The BBC researchers said they looked at the habits of modern marine reptiles, such as crocodiles and leatherback turtles, to try to work out how a plesiosaur might have behaved.

They hoped the air in Nessie's lungs would reflect a distorted signal back to their sonar sensors.

"We went from shoreline to shoreline, top to bottom on this one, we have covered everything in this loch and we saw no signs of any large living animal in the loch," said Ian Florence, one of the specialists who carried out the survey for the BBC.

His colleague Hugh MacKay added: "We got some good clear data of the loch, steep sided, flat bottomed -- nothing unusual I'm afraid. There was an anticipation that we would come up with a large sonar anomaly that could have been a monster, but it wasn't to be."

What did they see?
The BBC team said the only explanation for the persistence of the monster myth -- and regular "sightings" -- is that people see what they want to see.

To test this, the researchers hid a fence post beneath the surface of the loch and raised it in view of coach full of tourists.

Interviewed afterward, most said they had observed a square object but when asked to sketch what they had seen, several drew monster-shaped heads, the BBC said.

There have been reports of sightings of a "monster" in the loch since the time of St. Columba in the 6th century.

Many who have reported sightings have described a beast similar to a plesiosaur, but experts say it is 65 million years since the last fossil record of plesiosaurs. Loch Ness is only 10,000 years old, so anything living there must be much younger.

BBC TV plans to broadcast a documentary on the investigation, "Searching For The Loch Ness Monster."