Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Tao on August 24, 2003, 17:00:20
Post by: Tao on August 24, 2003, 17:00:20
PS: Adrian.. don`t get me wrong.. i`m not blaming you..
Mike
Mike
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Hephaestus on August 24, 2003, 17:16:32
Post by: Hephaestus on August 24, 2003, 17:16:32
The Mysticweb site belongs to people who dabble with the dark side of the occult.
Well. Thats just my opinion from what I keep reading about the place.
Well. Thats just my opinion from what I keep reading about the place.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Allanon on August 24, 2003, 19:48:46
Post by: Allanon on August 24, 2003, 19:48:46
quote:
The Mysticweb site belongs to people who dabble with the dark side of the occult.
Well. Thats just my opinion from what I keep reading about the place.
There is no Light side to the occult.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: goingslow on August 24, 2003, 19:53:33
Post by: goingslow on August 24, 2003, 19:53:33
I would love to see how that would play out in court. "yes mark concedes he is the incarnate of Beelzebub, however he feels beelzebub has gotten a bad rap.. plus the allegations he is now not reformed and working for the light but in a pact with a demon.. outrageous lies!!!".
Think they'd play it on court tv?
Oh boy.. an enlightened master suing a message boards for opinions. He has to be an american incarnate.
Think they'd play it on court tv?
Oh boy.. an enlightened master suing a message boards for opinions. He has to be an american incarnate.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Tao on August 24, 2003, 19:58:29
Post by: Tao on August 24, 2003, 19:58:29
No.. he will say in court:
"They laughed at me.. and i am blezlebluab"
i think adrian should keep that thread online so there will be one mad man less..
Mike
"They laughed at me.. and i am blezlebluab"
i think adrian should keep that thread online so there will be one mad man less..
Mike
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: shadowatcher on August 24, 2003, 20:04:05
Post by: shadowatcher on August 24, 2003, 20:04:05
Theres no such thing as FREE SPEECH...Its a myth created by the US government.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: James S on August 24, 2003, 21:12:14
Post by: James S on August 24, 2003, 21:12:14
quote:
Originally posted by shadowatcher
Theres no such thing as FREE SPEECH...Its a myth created by the US government.
No, I believe there was such a thing once, but it was taken away by money hungry lawyers.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: LA FORET MAUVE on August 24, 2003, 23:58:53
Post by: LA FORET MAUVE on August 24, 2003, 23:58:53
the new and locked "mysticweb/beelzebub topic" must be a sticky one for everyone wondering about mysticweb to see what really is this organistion....sect-like.
When i went to theyr site, i felt that i was on a scientology or another crap like that, you know, with all the little pics of people and interviews like "yes, how my life changed, blahblah". It really look like a commercial operation
When i went to theyr site, i felt that i was on a scientology or another crap like that, you know, with all the little pics of people and interviews like "yes, how my life changed, blahblah". It really look like a commercial operation
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Hephaestus on August 25, 2003, 06:20:28
Post by: Hephaestus on August 25, 2003, 06:20:28
quote:
Originally posted by Allanonquote:
The Mysticweb site belongs to people who dabble with the dark side of the occult.
Well. Thats just my opinion from what I keep reading about the place.
There is no Light side to the occult.
The term 'The Occult' has been advertised to the general public as a dark thing (mainly by the church). It is really supposed to mean all types of magics and rituals, both good and bad.
It is the same as when Witches were advertised as evil doers and the spawn of satan. There are both good and bad witches.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Kazbadan on August 25, 2003, 06:25:03
Post by: Kazbadan on August 25, 2003, 06:25:03
In order to avoid any more problems to Adrian i suggest that it´s better to stop speaking on such matter. There are more interesitng things to speak on than being all the time discussing about a website.
BTW: I believe that there is a "spy" on this forum, maybe someone that usually post here many times...who knows.
BTW: I believe that there is a "spy" on this forum, maybe someone that usually post here many times...who knows.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: WalkerInTheWoods on August 25, 2003, 06:27:42
Post by: WalkerInTheWoods on August 25, 2003, 06:27:42
quote:
There are both good and bad witches.
True, watch the Wizard of Oz for more information. [;)]
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: shadowatcher on August 25, 2003, 11:34:28
Post by: shadowatcher on August 25, 2003, 11:34:28
....Why cant we all just, Get along?
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Michael_E on August 25, 2003, 11:45:01
Post by: Michael_E on August 25, 2003, 11:45:01
i would take a guess that the claim being made by mysticweb.org is a defamation of character one. If this is the case and according to the high court of austrailia where i believe both myticweb and astralpulse work out of, the moderator or administrator of the forum can be sued for allowing the defamation of character to be viewed publically. If you do a search on a topic in the forums at astralpulse in google you will find that the forums are public.
Currently free speech isnt exactally freespeech but involves a legal balance between information that is exchanged for or against an individual's interest in protecting his/her reputation against slander. Slander is a report about someone that is not true and causes some kind of harm or damage to the person's reputation. I can see how mystiweb would be able to conjure up a prosecution showing damage to reputation based on what was said in the forums, but i do not see how they can prove that what was said is false. It takes more than just damage to reputation to win a defamation of character lawsuit, you have to be able to prove that the slander is not true otherwise it is not slander, and you end up getting a washed out case. This proving the truth of the slander part of the equation would be VERY hard for the prosecution(mysticweb) to take advantage of and VERY easy for the defence(astralpulse) to benefit from. On the flip side of the coin it would aslo be hard for astralpulse to prove that the slander is true.
So in the end we have a case in which the prosecutors cant prove the slander is false, and a defence that cant prove the slander is true.
Currently free speech isnt exactally freespeech but involves a legal balance between information that is exchanged for or against an individual's interest in protecting his/her reputation against slander. Slander is a report about someone that is not true and causes some kind of harm or damage to the person's reputation. I can see how mystiweb would be able to conjure up a prosecution showing damage to reputation based on what was said in the forums, but i do not see how they can prove that what was said is false. It takes more than just damage to reputation to win a defamation of character lawsuit, you have to be able to prove that the slander is not true otherwise it is not slander, and you end up getting a washed out case. This proving the truth of the slander part of the equation would be VERY hard for the prosecution(mysticweb) to take advantage of and VERY easy for the defence(astralpulse) to benefit from. On the flip side of the coin it would aslo be hard for astralpulse to prove that the slander is true.
So in the end we have a case in which the prosecutors cant prove the slander is false, and a defence that cant prove the slander is true.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Squeek on August 25, 2003, 12:16:48
Post by: Squeek on August 25, 2003, 12:16:48
Freedoms as they were granted in the Bill of Rights have faded... We can even see it in the headlines of today. The judge that put up the 10 commandments is being fined 5,000 dollars a day until it is removed. That covered 2 freedoms, and the system shut him down. He has freedom of speech to put the statue in front of his courtroom, and he has freedom of religion to put any relgious object anywhere.
Try using your freedom of speech outside the white house shouting that Bush is a joke and he sucks and all, and lets see what happens.
Freedoms are dead. America has too many rules. Thanks alot society! :p
~Squeek
Try using your freedom of speech outside the white house shouting that Bush is a joke and he sucks and all, and lets see what happens.
Freedoms are dead. America has too many rules. Thanks alot society! :p
~Squeek
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Michael_E on August 25, 2003, 12:27:57
Post by: Michael_E on August 25, 2003, 12:27:57
I think that 5,000 dollar a day fine has more to do with preserving the separation of church and state.
quote:
Originally posted by Squeek
Freedoms as they were granted in the Bill of Rights have faded... We can even see it in the headlines of today. The judge that put up the 10 commandments is being fined 5,000 dollars a day until it is removed. That covered 2 freedoms, and the system shut him down. He has freedom of speech to put the statue in front of his courtroom, and he has freedom of religion to put any relgious object anywhere.
Try using your freedom of speech outside the white house shouting that Bush is a joke and he sucks and all, and lets see what happens.
Freedoms are dead. America has too many rules. Thanks alot society! :p
~Squeek
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Adrian on August 25, 2003, 13:07:04
Post by: Adrian on August 25, 2003, 13:07:04
Greetings everyone,
Thank you all very much for your support and understanding in this matter.
I can't comment on any of this situation for obvious reasons, but as the operator and adminstrator of the Astral Pulse you can be sure it is my intention for this resource to be around for a very long time as place where people can freely learn from and help each other, and generally discuss these topics which cannot openly be discussed elsewhere.
With best regards,
Adrian.
Thank you all very much for your support and understanding in this matter.
I can't comment on any of this situation for obvious reasons, but as the operator and adminstrator of the Astral Pulse you can be sure it is my intention for this resource to be around for a very long time as place where people can freely learn from and help each other, and generally discuss these topics which cannot openly be discussed elsewhere.
With best regards,
Adrian.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: WalkerInTheWoods on August 25, 2003, 13:25:22
Post by: WalkerInTheWoods on August 25, 2003, 13:25:22
I respect Adrian's decision. I am sure he has done what he thinks is best for all of us. It is better to just drop it then to take the issue to court and waste resources that would be better used on the site and forums. These forums are not about slandering others, reguardless of how true it might be. So lets get back to sharing, learning, and having fun.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: eomaia on August 25, 2003, 13:53:27
Post by: eomaia on August 25, 2003, 13:53:27
It is not very likely that a mainstream judge would take any of this, or us, seriously.
We should be able to see the correspondence between the two parties since we are all a part of this.
Thank you for everything.
We should be able to see the correspondence between the two parties since we are all a part of this.
Thank you for everything.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Adrian on August 25, 2003, 14:52:48
Post by: Adrian on August 25, 2003, 14:52:48
Greetings pmlonline,
You make some excellent points; actions often speak louder than words [:)]
At the final analysis, that particular topic is only one of over 6500 topics posted on Astral Pulse, and one which had ran its course anyway. There are over 6000 posts each month on these forums and increasing each month, and my main focus is on the ongoing management of this resource for the benefit of all members.
With best regards,
Adrian.
quote:
Originally posted by pmlonline
I am flabbergasted that Beelzebub actually got that thread removed. Unfortunately Beelzebub is entirely ignorant on dictatorship attempts on the world wide web. I can assure Beelzebub's attempt will backfire in the biggest way. If any news about MysticWeb spreads, it will most likely be based on this topic.
You make some excellent points; actions often speak louder than words [:)]
At the final analysis, that particular topic is only one of over 6500 topics posted on Astral Pulse, and one which had ran its course anyway. There are over 6000 posts each month on these forums and increasing each month, and my main focus is on the ongoing management of this resource for the benefit of all members.
With best regards,
Adrian.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: MJ-12 on August 25, 2003, 15:08:27
Post by: MJ-12 on August 25, 2003, 15:08:27
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Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Allanon on August 25, 2003, 16:45:51
Post by: Allanon on August 25, 2003, 16:45:51
quote:
The term 'The Occult' has been advertised to the general public as a dark thing (mainly by the church). It is really supposed to mean all types of magics and rituals, both good and bad.
It is the same as when Witches were advertised as evil doers and the spawn of satan. There are both good and bad witches.
14"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, those who PRACTICE MAGIC ARTS, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: goingslow on August 25, 2003, 16:48:42
Post by: goingslow on August 25, 2003, 16:48:42
Good example right here. Allanon is a misguided person who really doesnt make much sense and is doing nothing but spewing up previously learned religious doctrine.
But he's still allowed to post.
hmm I forgot if i was arguing that was a good thing or a bad thing.
But he's still allowed to post.
hmm I forgot if i was arguing that was a good thing or a bad thing.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2003, 16:54:18
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2003, 16:54:18
Hello Allanon,
Occult means hidden. If you believe in "our Father who is in secret" then you're believing in something occult, that is to say, hidden. Generally, it is used like that, whether it refers to something good or evil. "Practice magic arts" most likely refers to those who practice black magic, and remember what has been said about the Bible. It doesn't matter how inspired by God it may have been because inside I highly doubt that the people who wrote it were totally free of all negativity, even if they were awakened.
You should learn to understand not with the mind but with the heart. The Bible is written for the heart. It's been interpreted with the mind.
The meaning of the Bible may as well still be "occult."
Kevin
Occult means hidden. If you believe in "our Father who is in secret" then you're believing in something occult, that is to say, hidden. Generally, it is used like that, whether it refers to something good or evil. "Practice magic arts" most likely refers to those who practice black magic, and remember what has been said about the Bible. It doesn't matter how inspired by God it may have been because inside I highly doubt that the people who wrote it were totally free of all negativity, even if they were awakened.
You should learn to understand not with the mind but with the heart. The Bible is written for the heart. It's been interpreted with the mind.
The meaning of the Bible may as well still be "occult."
Kevin
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: shadowatcher on August 25, 2003, 19:10:49
Post by: shadowatcher on August 25, 2003, 19:10:49
The bible is the devil.
Ok, I realize that wasnt helpful, but it had to be said...
Ok, I realize that wasnt helpful, but it had to be said...
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: realism on August 25, 2003, 21:06:18
Post by: realism on August 25, 2003, 21:06:18
PmOnline, after visiting your google thread, i realised that i really hope that the rose cross brotherhood refuse you entry, those esoteric organisations are allready murky from to many ignorant zealots. Im not here to re-start any argument, in fact, im not even going to look in this thread after this. But, i will say, if you are going to attempt to revive a dead topic on google, at least get your facts straight. I mean, c'mon, there WERE 20 pages on that topic...
By the way, personally i love astral pulse, so i hope we can all forget this mess. I have recenty been re-evaluating my path, and have decided its no ones business but mine [;)] But apart from that, i will continue to post and learn here at Astral Pulse.
Peace.
By the way, personally i love astral pulse, so i hope we can all forget this mess. I have recenty been re-evaluating my path, and have decided its no ones business but mine [;)] But apart from that, i will continue to post and learn here at Astral Pulse.
Peace.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2003, 22:02:29
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2003, 22:02:29
would just like to say that even though I did not participate in the removed forum, I still would like to express my concerns for the loss of our freedom of speech.
Finally people start realizing the importance of freedom. There's a stone in front of the Vietnam memorial which reads, "Freedom isn't free." Now, I mean no disrespect to the veterans of Vietnam (who were simply another of the government's victims. None of these victims were from wealthy families, you'll notice), but I think the price of freedom is whatever Johnny Cockran's rates are at the time you need to pay for your freedom.
We had absolute and total freedom at one time- then the government came along and established laws, many of which are to prevent us from having too much fun.
Finally people start realizing the importance of freedom. There's a stone in front of the Vietnam memorial which reads, "Freedom isn't free." Now, I mean no disrespect to the veterans of Vietnam (who were simply another of the government's victims. None of these victims were from wealthy families, you'll notice), but I think the price of freedom is whatever Johnny Cockran's rates are at the time you need to pay for your freedom.
We had absolute and total freedom at one time- then the government came along and established laws, many of which are to prevent us from having too much fun.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: shadowatcher on August 25, 2003, 22:42:46
Post by: shadowatcher on August 25, 2003, 22:42:46
What I think we all fail to see, is that it isnt a question of freedom, but of choice. Nobody will ever be able restrict our freedom of thought, and that is why we will always be able to make choices. It is very difficult to create a system of government that satasfies over half the people. This is because a perfect governments laws are designed so that nobodies happiness interferes with anybody elses negatively. But what if your happinies is something that DOES interfere with somebody elses? Thats the problem [:(].
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: realism on August 26, 2003, 22:23:05
Post by: realism on August 26, 2003, 22:23:05
No no, not mad at all, just surprised that after 20 pages of posting, you still managed to gets nearly all your facts wrong. Personally, i dont care if you had 100 anti Mysticweb sites, rather than just one, as long as they all presented the FACTS, from both sides. Im not a follower of anyone, im just a student seeking Gnosis.
I do apologise for my comment, im sure the Rose Cross brotherhood will welcome you, but remember, one of the immutable laws, is that of duality. S, if you wish to be a true student, then present things the way they are.
Peace and Knowledge to you all.
I do apologise for my comment, im sure the Rose Cross brotherhood will welcome you, but remember, one of the immutable laws, is that of duality. S, if you wish to be a true student, then present things the way they are.
Peace and Knowledge to you all.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Tao on August 26, 2003, 23:28:46
Post by: Tao on August 26, 2003, 23:28:46
That was a very smart move.. pmlonline - i mean.. let`s be serious about this.. that law about public forums and stuff is really stupid.. in Romania it is not like this - public is allowed to have an opinion and state it without (much) :) fear..
I`d like to see this on CNN: "A demon drags Google in court because "they sayed ugly things about him"" looool :)
Blezleblob vs Google :) haha - i wonder which of them is worst :)
I saw no reason of deleting that thread.. but as Adrians said there was no point in continuing because that thread was dead :).. but deleting that post was... not letting others know what mysticweb.org is all about..
Mike
I`d like to see this on CNN: "A demon drags Google in court because "they sayed ugly things about him"" looool :)
Blezleblob vs Google :) haha - i wonder which of them is worst :)
I saw no reason of deleting that thread.. but as Adrians said there was no point in continuing because that thread was dead :).. but deleting that post was... not letting others know what mysticweb.org is all about..
Mike
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: realism on August 28, 2003, 02:46:32
Post by: realism on August 28, 2003, 02:46:32
Look, I really cant be bothered going into this, but i will provide one example, just because you asked. In your site, you stated that "This person claims that he is satan, or that his master is Satan"
Obviously, even your definition of Beelzebub is not satan, and MArk does not say that he is "Satan". Also, you decline to mention that (i mention this as if it were true, its up to you to decide) that Beelzebub has redeemed himself, and is now a master of the white lodge. This liiittle statements put the whole issue in perspective. Now wouldnt you rather give people to see the whole thing from all sides? I dont mind what you say, but to preach it false is just unfair.
And one side note, the father of modern Gnosis, from whom Mark Pritchard learnt a great deal (in the astral) actually attended a rosicrucian school in his youth, and has nothing but praise for it, even though it did not fulfill his needs on the path.
Obviously, even your definition of Beelzebub is not satan, and MArk does not say that he is "Satan". Also, you decline to mention that (i mention this as if it were true, its up to you to decide) that Beelzebub has redeemed himself, and is now a master of the white lodge. This liiittle statements put the whole issue in perspective. Now wouldnt you rather give people to see the whole thing from all sides? I dont mind what you say, but to preach it false is just unfair.
And one side note, the father of modern Gnosis, from whom Mark Pritchard learnt a great deal (in the astral) actually attended a rosicrucian school in his youth, and has nothing but praise for it, even though it did not fulfill his needs on the path.
Title: Freedom of speech
Post by: Tao on August 24, 2003, 16:57:15
Post by: Tao on August 24, 2003, 16:57:15
Because of legal... bla bla blahh.. the blezleblub topic will be removed ??!?!!?
We don`t have a right to state our opinion !?!?
I think that whole musticweb.org site is really fishy...
what is this....?? comunnism !??!??
what`s next..?? they`ll take this forum over because they`ll say it`s their ideas we`re using for AP ?!?
WOW... this is too much,
Mike
We don`t have a right to state our opinion !?!?
I think that whole musticweb.org site is really fishy...
what is this....?? comunnism !??!??
what`s next..?? they`ll take this forum over because they`ll say it`s their ideas we`re using for AP ?!?
WOW... this is too much,
Mike