How can the Big bang theory account for spirits?

[no_leaf_clover]

the big bang theory *can't* describe this without outside input. the big bang theory is a scientific theory, and science has not yet decided there are spirits []

[Fat_Turkey]

The big bang theory is just that - a theory. It ain't the truth []

[James S]

The Big Bang theory is gaining more support with the advent of bigger & better telescopes, both radio and optical. Astronomers are now starting to be able to see the light from very young galaxies, and galactic nebulae where galaxies are born.

The way they are seeing the progressions now from older to newer galaxies, along with the mapping of regions of dark matter, where there is no visible matter but the same gavity influences as if there were,  there is a definite pattern emerging that seems to point towards a single source of all matter in the universe - a focal point.

How this relates to spirit - I don't think it does. The Big Bang theory describes the creation of the physical universe - the matter from which all elements and compounds originated. It does not go any way towards describing the creation of spirits.

It is believed by many that the spirit realm, though it permeates all matter, also exists outside of space-time, or the physical plane we are part of. It is possible that "God" has always existed in this spirit realm as a sentient non-coporeal energy form. A focus of energy from God that was powerful enough to shift down through the quantum levels of the spirit planes could have ignited a massive release of energy in the physical plane - the Big Bang.

The one thing that makes this idea possible is that matter, when you drill down to the smallest sub-atomic level, is actually energy. The spirit can also be explained as an energy form, as it has most of the characteristics of EM energy. If God can be described as the Source of all spirit and consciousness, and remains a part of all, then as a sentient being of this magnitude it should be possible for the Source to be able to manipulate energy to the degree that the physical universe was formed.

If you look at it this way, the big bang was a way of giving the already existing non-coporeal spirit a physical world to be part of - a different level of existense to be experienced.

James.

[Adrian]

Greetings neg removal5

quote:Originally posted by neg removal5

I'm interested in everyones input on the different theories on how the Big Bang created spiritual entities?

It didn't!

Every Spirit in existence has always existed and always will exist in the eternal now beyond the physical universe of time-space.

A Spirit becomes "individuated" at the point of the first incarnation on Earth, but that Spirit has still always existed.

The "big bang" is a scientific concept relating only to the physical universe of matter, not the higher realms of Soul and Spirit.

Genesis I chronicles (in mystical and symbolic terms) the creation of the Astral realms, not the physical world as religion presumes.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[neg removal5]

I agree with everyone


   I do not think the Big Bang created spiritual entities.  I'm making the above topic to possibly prove that God does exist.  Eventually all the scientists and everyone elso who does not believe in God are going to find out about the spiritual realm, and that spiritual beings are a reality, if some of them haven't already found that out.  At that point in time they are going to have to come up with some kind of theory, of if there isn't a God, then where did the spiritual realm and spiritual beings come from.

At that point in time they have two choices they must try to come up with a theory of how the big bang created the spiritual realm and spiritual beings, or they are going to have to reach the answer that a God does exist whether the big bang theory concerning the physical universe is correct or not (and believe in both of them).  Or they might try a thrid route and try to explain how spiritual beings have always existed even before any one particular big bang occurred.

But one conclusion they are all going to have to reach is that a intelligent spiritual Being or intelligent spiritual beings existed before any big bang did.

As far as the belief I presently hold to, I believe one infinite being from which all spiritual beings at first existed in a non-individualistic form, chose to give us individualistic form and bring us into existence out of his own spirit nature which is infinite in himself.  So he can bring as many of us into existence as he wants, and it will still never affect the quantity of his infinite essence, as that essence is infinite, and capable of extension beyond infinity.  I also believe he had the ability to instantly create the cosmos in it's exact form that it exists in now, and to instantly create it where the gravities and parameters he set up keeps everything in place, and everything has it's own unique motions to itself.  Wether it be comets, black holes. asteroids, or anything else that is part of the physical universe.

but I'm interested in other people's views on what course they think scientists will take when they finally discover there is a spiritual realm and that spiritual beings exist, and that people just don't disappear when they die.  Some of the present day scientists are already aware of these certain realities, but I believe quite a number do not believe.

[kromeknight]

Hello Neg Removal5
This might be off topic but didn't a group of scientists prove the existances of a persons sole/spirit by weighing a person as they died. From  memory they could calculated the percise weight of the spirit as the dead body was lighter after death. As I said it's a bit off topic and off in general.  I wish I could refer to a written account but someone else would know more about it and being a scientific analyses it should convince their own associates of the spirit and give scope to further studies.Maybe even weigh a person before and during an obe ?
Take care

[Terry B]

Although most physicist nowaday accept the big bang theory as near fact, most are open minded enough too admit that it doesn't account for creation of spirit (In fact for that I think we need another theory, which will take a while to come up with[]). Most people in physical science and enginering that I know admit to this. However I happen to notice that those involve with with biological science(whether the are physician, biologist, etc) have more problem accepting with the notion of spiritual existence. Of course, not all are like that, this is only a sweeping generalisation from my limited observation. Could be related to brain and conciousness stuff.

Anyway I was searching for big bang on the net and found something interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ww2/A899067

[MJ-12]

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[Athios]

quote:Originally posted by Terry B

However I happen to notice that those involve with with biological science(whether the are physician, biologist, etc) have more problem accepting with the notion of spiritual existence. Of course, not all are like that, this is only a sweeping generalisation from my limited observation. Could be related to brain and conciousness stuff.

I think that has much to do with the fact that biology relies heavily on the concept of evolution. Add that to the fact that physicians and biologists deal mostly with the physical aspects of 'life' (or lifeforms). So, basically, there's just no 'need' for the notion of spiritual existance.
Unless they naturally have some reason to believe otherwise...

[neg removal5]

Good observations everyone

Hopefully by the year 2050 all of mankind will come to the unanimous conclusion that we have a spirit in our human bodies, and that their is an enormous spiritual realm connected to our physical cosmos.

I believe the final debate will come down to five categories

1) An infinite God made out of his own infinite essence all his offspring that presently exist, and gave us all individualistic form out of his own essence, and endowed each of us with free will.

2) An infinite God created us but not out of his own essence but out of the magnitude of his power to call into existence things that once never existed, and then to endow those things that he created out of thin air, with certain qualites that He has within himself.  For example: emotions, feelings, etc.

3) An infinite God has always existed, and so have billions and billions of other spiritual beings.  God did not create those billion of billions of other spiritual beings, they have always just existed alongside God, as God to has always existed.

4) Their are more than one infinite God, and along with these few infinite Gods, have also existed billions and billions of other spiritual beings like ourselves who have always existed, just as the few infinite Gods have always existed.  They did not create the billions and billions of spiritual beings, but just have existed along side of them.

5)  There is no God or Gods at all, but there has always existed billions and billions of spiritual beings.

I would like everyone's input on which of the categories they think it is, or if they think there is another category? And also why they choose to believe the category that they believe?

[neg removal5]

I'm interested in everyones input on the different theories on how the Big Bang created spiritual entities?