gurus on tv

[tenshi_R]

i was browsing thru youtube videos and one popped out attempting to teach about meditation

and i notticed something hes wearing glasses.

contradiction thousands of books telling how easy it is to loose glasses.
and then on the other side are gurus that seem knowledgeable in the yoga and health department in general yet wearing glasses.

i mean holding your breath, piercing yourself sweating on command and raising body temperature by will.
but cant get straight vision?

what is oging on?


also i ve notticed the robotic voice as with every(with few exceptions) guru has a same monotonous, calm,relaxed voice.
but it sounds fake to me

[Awakened_Mind]

Hmmm maybe try buying a book and reading about it instead of youtube. Might make you see it in a different light.

-AM

[Lighten]

Most real gurus don't speak in monotone. All the good gurus or healers I have met are constantly laughing or smiling, but at the same time they get very serious very quickly.

my 2 cents

[Stillwater]

Hmm....

Well, I guess I would say it this way-

Meditation is really a phenomenal skill, and can indeed have profound theraputic effects on the body, among other things, but I would also caution against the idea some have that becoming active in meditation will instantly cause magic things to happen. If you approach it from that angle, of course you are going to be disappointed, but that is not the purpose.

There are many examples of "gurus" who seem to have had transformative effects on their bodies, but I would say it is not something one should expect as a natural right of course, and I would surely not hold someone to bear for not being able to practice magic as a result of their self-discipline. Meditation is what you make it, but on the same coin, you can't expect the world to conform to expectations- it is really a lot more profound than that anyhow 

I would certainly recommend getting involved with meditation, but, as others have pointed out, since there is a lot of misinformation, and misreprestentation, you generally need to find a large number of sources, and sort out the reality for yourself. Hope that helps!

Just some thoughts,
Stillwater

[tenshi_R]

well i didnt mean that meditation is automatic loose goggles...

i mean eyesight beeing pretty important to humans you would think that people that practice would not put it off for last.

[iNNERvOYAGER]

The clearest vision is not in the physical.

A waist of energy to manipulate the physical body for such temporary perishable gains.

It would be a great temptation though, I'm sure.

[Stillwater]

I think I catch your intention.

While I would reiterate that most meditation is not focused on healing particular bodily ailments, or obtaining this or that ability, as many would view such pursuits as a misplacement of effort, I can certainly agree, as you feel, that there are hundreds of so called wisemen out there making such claims of supernatural happenings tied with meditation, and delivering very poorly. I think it is safe to say that there is a market built around profitting from other people's ignorance and desires to better their situation; it is a sad state of affairs, and among the greatest injury you can do to other people is lead them astray with false claims of knowledge.

That said, I guess I would just suggest that you can't be discouraged by the fact that there are 2 charltans for every sage- there are genuinely people there who have other's best interests in mind- it just takes a good amount of discernment to see who they might be. I think we would both agree one needs to be on their guard against those who would deceive other people, and use their own best judgement to sepparate lies from wisdom. The great irony in this is that the ancient vedantic scriptures stressed the importance of having a guru, yet taking a guru and accepting their word as final is one of the most perilous things a person can do.

Wish you well, and hope you are not too discouraged,
Stillwater

[CFTraveler]

i was browsing thru youtube videos and one popped out attempting to teach about meditation

and i notticed something hes wearing glasses.

contradiction thousands of books telling how easy it is to loose glasses.
and then on the other side are gurus that seem knowledgeable in the yoga and health department in general yet wearing glasses.

i mean holding your breath, piercing yourself sweating on command and raising body temperature by will.
but cant get straight vision?

what is oging on?


also i ve notticed the robotic voice as with every(with few exceptions) guru has a same monotonous, calm,relaxed voice.
but it sounds fake to me

I would say that the abilities learned through body cultivation (that is, control of your metabolism and circulation) would probably have nothing to do with eyesight problems, because most eyesight problems are not fixed through increasing circulation or stimulating the body's own defense mechanisms, which is what most practicioners do when they do these types of exercises.  So yes, they can make themselves burn calories, they can improve circulation, and increase (or speed up) the body's defense mechanisms, lose weight (or gain it) and do other things that are beneficial for the body and mind.
Unfortunately, eye problems are not 'simple', and have many causes- most of these are structural malformations of the cornea or lens- and that can't be fixed by the body's own healing abilities, just like you can't grow a new foot of arm by increasing circulation.
So, I don't think you can gauge a guru's accomplishments or abilities by whether their eyesight is good or bad.

If I were to look for credibility, I'd ask myself- is he trying to teach me something I already know, and does he want lots of money for information I can get for free?

[iNNERvOYAGER]

abilities learned through body cultivation (that is, control of your metabolism and circulation)

good point, reminds me of the documentary study of monks with temperature control that is great enough to dry wet sheets on their body in near freezing climates where common people would quickly die of exposure.

[tenshi_R]

ye thats what i was talking about i was watching that on TV some time ago about the monks drying towels.

sooo   
monks/gurus with glasses VS.books that say its easy to get rid of glasses...

i also understand that there are different types of vision

but regardless of what type of vision you have extra

this is physical world and the only senses we have to experience it are:eyes, ears, skin and taste buds, and smell.
so only a few of them that are well developed.

what you say are physical defect of the crystal is most common, what books  and most of the internet says is the stress, weak muscle(that leads to deformed eyeball), and mental issues.

again who do i belive?

[CFTraveler]

That's really up to you, isn't it?
Sure, as you get older your muscle tone weakens, and the irises are muscles- but things like nearsightedness, farsightedness and stuff like astigmatism are related to the shape of the cornea or lens, and by the age of 3 most children already need glasses that have these types of problems.  So if your problems worsen with age, then it's obvious that muscles are to blame at least in part- but there are other reasons for eye problems, and more of them (like glaucoma) get worse with age and yet are caused by malformations of the capillaries that drain the eye fluid (hence causing intraocular fluid pressure to build up), damaging the optic nerve.
Other things that can damage the optic nerve: Pigment buildup in the drainage capillaries in the eye, diabetic retinopathy (due to high blood sugar), thinning corneas, infections, cataracts, retinal and corneal tears, etc.

My point is there are a lot of structural reasons that are not cured by increasing circulation.  A cornea that is too concave is not going to flatten out no matter how much you increase circulation- unless it's a miracle.  And miracles don't have to follow the laws of physics.

[waterchilde]

You are the only "guru" that you need, learn to trust your intuitive pulls and culture a good relationship with yourself.  If someone "feels" fake to you, just walk on, your true self will lead you to the next experience that you need to learn from.  As for meditation, my personal favorite would be Ken Wilbers' " The spectrum of consciousness " .  Near the back of the book where he describes a guy named Benoit...
read on and try this method, it is amazing!  Breathe, relax, and focus and you can accomplish anything!
We are all unlimited spiritual beings and can accomplish anything that we can imagine, if it is created upon the astral plane, it must manifest in the physical realm, LAW.  PEACE