You can watch it on youtube for free, its a non profit film. If you use anything that comes from the earth, I suggest you watch this. (Yes I mean everyone)
Its about the earth and its resources and how much we take.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU&feature=watch-now-button&wide=1
"20% of the population consumes 80% of its resources"
"One mammal in 4, one bird in 8, one amphibian in 3 are threatened with extiction
Species are dying out at a rhythm 1,000 times faster than the natural rate"
Yup, it's completely horrid... but as long as we are ruled by the almighty $$$, it won't change. As long as there are people willing to sacrifice our planet and our resources in the name of "scoring a buck", we're all screwed.
A change is going to require a disaster of epic proportions for the people of Earth to wake the hell up. I'm talking *BILLIONS* of lives. BILLIONS of people need to die before enough people will begin to work towards change.
Anything less and Capitalist greed will continue on without skipping a beat.
I glanced at this and misread it as "amazing home video" and thought "oh no, they're posting home videos now".
Quote from: Xanth on May 24, 2011, 13:46:17
Yup, it's completely horrid... but as long as we are ruled by the almighty $$$, it won't change. As long as there are people willing to sacrifice our planet and our resources in the name of "scoring a buck", we're all screwed.
A change is going to require a disaster of epic proportions for the people of Earth to wake the hell up. I'm talking *BILLIONS* of lives. BILLIONS of people need to die before enough people will begin to work towards change.
Anything less and Capitalist greed will continue on without skipping a beat.
change on the way man...here's the start
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_2012_and_the_transition_of_the_ages/whats_happening_towards_2012_our_new_world-t34124.0.html
we will have billions projecting soon, all learning how the world has been operated and will be operated...it's in the pipe line man
good luck
love all
Amazing video well worth watching thanks for sharing 8-)
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The funny thing about futurist predictions is that every age that makes them will just take the current trends of their time, and magnify them 20-fold and say, "that will be the future." I remember in the 80's as a kid we would watch after-school specials, where they featured a view of the future where the world was overcome by pollution, and people in the cities would carry oxygen tanks and gas suits everywhere, as though we would have the opportunity to pollute that long and to that extent. Fortunately for us, we will all die of homelessness and hunger well in advance of that, as we alter the cyclical eco-mechanisms that supply us with the water and the climate conditions for food production and living.
Many people look at it as a great misfortune that "Hubert's peak" is approaching (the time when oil supply will peak for all time, and oil will quickly become too expensive as demand far outstrips the dwindling supply rate), as though they want the oil-era to continue indefinitely. In truth, I think that we are extrememly fortunate, as we probably would not have taken the steps to save our civilization until the very moment we were forced to; we are blessed that some external factor is forcing us to make the change that is direly necessary to mitigate forces which will largely destroy everything we have made in just a couple decades, as we would not have had the foresight to see 20 years into the future and make the changes on our own.
I watched a documentary the other night called "Transcendental Man" that was about Ray Kurzweil, who predicts "singularity" by 2039, where basically AI will reach and surpass the human mind and transform everything into utopia, because it will think and act in ways we cannot. I call BS, but it's still interesting.
Quote from: Stillwater on May 27, 2011, 10:21:42
The funny thing about futurist predictions is that every age that makes them will just take the current trends of their time, and magnify them 20-fold and say, "that will be the future." I remember in the 80's as a kid we would watch after-school specials, where they featured a view of the future where the world was overcome by pollution, and people in the cities would carry oxygen tanks and gas suits everywhere, as though we would have the opportunity to pollute that long and to that extent. Fortunately for us, we will all die of homelessness and hunger well in advance of that, as we alter the cyclical eco-mechanisms that supply us with the water and the climate conditions for food production and living.
Many people look at it as a great misfortune that "Hubert's peak" is approaching (the time when oil supply will peak for all time, and oil will quickly become too expensive as demand far outstrips the dwindling supply rate), as though they want the oil-era to continue indefinitely. In truth, I think that we are extrememly fortunate, as we probably would not have taken the steps to save our civilization until the very moment we were forced to; we are blessed that some external factor is forcing us to make the change that is direly necessary to mitigate forces which will largely destroy everything we have made in just a couple decades, as we would not have had the foresight to see 20 years into the future and make the changes on our own.
Maybe I'm just stupid but I dont understand what you're saying.... Are you saying this video is just over exaggerating the future?
I can understand how you would be confused by what I said, since I said two things at once that seem to contradict if you don't understand the balancing mechanic I am implying between them.
I think the film is spot on, and deadly accurate. I am poking fun at earlier naive notions that pollution would be able to get much further out of control without swiftly destroying our civilization, and much sooner than anyone anticipated. Clearly we will not be able to pollute to that degree, since our pollution is about to have much more dramatic consequences than we first thought- so by that I mean there will be no cities full of people with oxygen masks, since the people populating those cities who would have caused such pollution will have starved or been forced to move away much in advance of that situation being able to arise. So pollution will not be able to get much more out of control, by the technicality that we will have destroyed ourselves in very little time through what we have done already.
The second part of my response dealt with the observation that we are fortunate that our rate of oil supply is dwindling, and is going to externally force us to take positive measures by necessity that we would not have taken merely to prevent the collapse of our civilization later this century.
So I think the film has the correct perspective- I am just bringing in other observations that in one case support its premise, and in the other case state that fate has in one slight sense prevented us from doing even more harm by taking away the oil facilitating it.
ahh ok :-D
Quote"20% of the population consumes 80% of its resources"
"One mammal in 4, one bird in 8, one amphibian in 3 are threatened with extiction
Species are dying out at a rhythm 1,000 times faster than the natural rate"
That may be because only 20% of the population is 'growing' or evolving.
Animals have always faced extinction... that's just natural.
1000x huh?... more BS
I was OBE a couple years ago and found myself in near Earth orbit. Gaia was handy and I asked about the whole global warming thing (now shown to a giant hoax) and She informed me that She has been working on evolving the human race to the present point in order to get some relief from those pesky oil pools under Her skin. It is our job to "lance the boil" so to speak. Once we get it into the atmosphere the natural healing process can be accelerated.
"Long Live Capitalism" She shouted as I returned to my body.
Capitalism along with central banking has done more to increase the wealth of the common man than any other economic system in the history of mankind.
No its because 20% have a material life style and depend on their WANTS
Global warming is a hoax? Uhh no it isnt? This has always happened? The earth has done what it has been doing for hundreds of thousands of years. We just helped increase it by 10% faster or something.... And how do you know it was in fact mother earth and not just your own consciousness making up the thoughts you wanted to hear considering you already believe its all a hoax?
And btw the increase wealth of common man in our society, is only possible because we live off the poor.
"Anthropogenic" Global Warming is a giant hoax.
Earth has been going through warming and cooling cycles all on its own for a very long time now.
If you ask me, imho, here is the real cause of global warming;
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/hmi_igr/512/
(at least, that's what Gaia told me... fer whatever its worth....)
I would not say hoax per se; there is no definitive argument to date that the global-warming aspect of our eco-troubles is necessarily caused by humans, since we don't have another control earth to isolate what we cause and what we don't, and our records don't go back long enough to know what sort of fluctuations are commonplace on a fine scale; that accounted for, it is also folly to assume that we are not the cause of global warming, since it is a big gamble if it is indeed human caused and we assumed innocence. The only rational course is to assume that it is strongly possible we are the culprits and adjust our behavior accordingly. If we turn out to be wrong, and global warming is completely natural, we played it safe; if we are right, and global warming is due to artificial greenhouse effects, then we did something about it.
Look at it this way. Say you work in a hospital, and are in charge of equipment acquisitions, and someone tells you the defibulators are all defective, and there is a general recall. You call up the manufacturer, and someone there says there was a mistake, and that it was not your brand that is being recalled. Would you leave it at that, or would you investigate further, and test all of the equipment in the hospital, assuming that if there did end up being merit to the original claim they were defective, that the consequences might be severe?
Global warming is also not the only thing that will have, and is currently having massive world-wide impact. Even if global warming turns out to be completely natural, there are tons of other things we are doing that we will pay the price for in very little time.
It is not just an assumed innocence. It is just that those who say a thing is thus and so are supposed to prove it. The AGW phonies did present papers that made that claim but then it was shown that they 'fudged' the data. The AGW pushers were openly and undeniably revealed to be giant liars. (a lotta that going around these days).
The true folly would be to crash the world economy in a childish reaction to a big lie.
The Earth is not even close to warming up according to their model predictions. They even had to admit last year that the planet was not warming anywhere near what the CO2 models predicted. The ocean temp data is flat. Arctic ice is normal. Antarctic South pole temps are not rising... antarctic ice shelves that were melting were sitting on top of Pacific Rim volcanic magma flows... the increase in drowned polar bear counts was exactly proportional to the population increase (which has tripled since it was made illegal to hunt them... they are NOT endangered at all)....
On and on and on...
The whole AGW scare is a joke. Serious climatologists are in agreement on that.
Real science has said and continues to say that we are heading into another ice age. In 5000 years half the planet will be under permafrost.
OBE masters and remote viewers, etc. have predicted a heavy reduction in human population but they did not reveal 'how'. It will likely be due to a virus, imho.
And Gaia should be able to manage that much in short order when she is good and ready.
I heard somewhere that those who control oil supply have an insiders joke.
They are more concerned about running out of oxygen to burn the stuff.
Seems wherever one goes, there is someone waiting to tell you the 'news' - and F3 is no different. Distractions. :roll:
Are you saying you doubt "Hubert's Peak" is true about oil supply? It is arguable when it will happen, but that it will happen is a fact of economics. Some even go so far as to say we have already passed the supply peak, and are in downward mean yearly progress now. That is hard to guage except in retrospect though.
Peak Oil involves some assumptions that render it moot.
There is more oil in just the Canadian oil sands and Rocky mt. shale than the rest of the world combined. It just costs a little more than $5 bbl to extract like in Saudi Arabia. But at $100 bbl or higher it is still economically viable to extract. And offshore reserves are still unknown.
But peak oil is about rate of supply, not amount available. There is indeed alot of oil present in the tar sands, but the energy returned vs energy invested is significantly lower than in Mid-East drilling. And it is also a matter of the rate at which we can extract it; we would need to spend hundreds of billions to produce the infrastructure needed to extract that oil at a rate competitive to pure crude streaming out of the ground from wells. And it takes massive amounts of water to harvest that oil, and the water supply and infrastructure to transport it greatly inflates the price as well. If we can't acheive the same rate of supply, even if the oil is there, peak oil will occur.
Offshore oil is not completely accounted for, but that is a matter of rate of discovery vs volume of exploration. We are searching at several times the rate we did decades before, and our rate of discovery is still dwindling, and yielding smaller and smaller fields on average. We will continue to find new fields for decades, but the rate new known accessible oil is added to the world total is not increasing fast enough to offset supply drops from older depleted fields.
I am not sure what your point is. My comment was there is no sense in destroying the world economy out of fear generated by a big lie.
What does peak oil have to do with the price of tea in china? Plus the gazillion$ facility cost and water estimates are based on decades old prototype evaluations. They are exaggerations and dishonest manipulations by lying environmentalists for the most part. (what else is new)
Let the oil situation work itself out naturally by free market forces. What you are saying sounds like a defeatist attitude. We are all going to die someday so we might as well commit suicide, type attitude.
Yes oil supply won't last forever. So what?
There is way more oil than the liars want to admit... enough for the rest of our lifetimes anyway, at least for the USA and Canada. China and India, etc. can work out their own issues.
There is way more oil than the liars want to admit... enough for the rest of our lifetimes anyway, at least for the USA and Canada. China and India, etc. can work out their own issues.
Liars created countries, boarders, domains, money, reasons for warfare, poverty, usury, dependency...the list goes on.
It doesn't stop here either - the ripple effect of what was created by liars is also widespread throughout 'Astral Land' where the illusions from lies take on there own life.
"Work out there own issues" is a statement borne from these lies. It supports the separatism which allows for the liars to prosper and an attitude which believes that Earth in not One.
The only way to see through these illusions of lies is for each and every individual to start thinking - "Work out OUR own issues" as in "We are all in this together".
Liars don't believe so and would argue such thinking is emotive based rubbish
QuoteLiars created countries, boarders, domains, money, reasons for warfare, poverty
I think these are false claims. Please explain with a few examples.
Just offhand I can think of several Revolutionary wars that were not based on lies. They were based on power struggles. That is very honest, relatively speaking.
Birds of a feather flock together. Borders and domains form naturally, no lie there.
Money is no more a lie than a hammer is. Money is a tool. No lie there.
I love the visuals in this movie, really pretty thanks :-)
I think these are false claims. Please explain with a few examples.
"False Claims" = "Lies" Historical Motives – look at history and especially the voices which predominate for further examples.
I stated this:
The only way to see through these illusions of lies is for each and every individual to start thinking - "Work out OUR own issues" as in "We are all in this together".
You reply that this is a false claim.
Just offhand I can think of several Revolutionary wars that were not based on lies.
Really – which ones? ...actually just pick one and together we can uncover the false claims...
They were based on power struggles. That is very honest, relatively speaking.
Ah yes 'relative to who/what?' The 'powers' interpretation of the part of the battlefield they conscript to fight for the possession of?
A 'part' of HOME which, dependant of the victor(s) determines the boarders.
One planet, One specie and many 'owners', cheating, lying, falsely claiming and using every other 'tool' (primarily gold) to reinforce 'their' truth over those under their control.
'Natural' you claim.
Birds of a feather flock together. Borders and domains form naturally, no lie there.
According to the conclusion of the intelligence observing this.
Certainly birds of feather flock together, but they share the same air space and can be 'territorial' – does this signify that nature is showing 'her' nature? Her intrinsic, fixed static qualities?
But these are not at all 'fixed' are they – they are adaptive.
Take a closer look Once, when 'flocks' of people thought that different flocks of humans were a treat to their existence, they defended themselves against the perceived threat. Their leadership did not want these potential threats to become real so they prepared themselves.
Other flocks thought it was more prudent to attack rather than wait to be attacked.
Still other flocks thought it worthwhile to simply attack and reap all the rewards of victory.
False claims instigated much of this. False claims can be seen to be real at the time, due to perception coupled with limited knowledge.
Now we live in a different world where these flocks have proved the can co-mingle, co-create, and live peacefully on One Home Planet.
No boarders.
Thus, what was once 'truth' is proven to be false claims, in hindsight.
What is it then which wants to keep the false claims real in the minds of the flock, through the education of that flock?
Money is no more a lie than a hammer is. Money is a tool. No lie there.
A hammer can be used as a weapon to kill, no lie there. So it is not the tool, but how the tool is being used.
The tool is used to perpetuate falseness.
I shared this recently – kind of tongue in cheek and a pinch of sarcasm, but it is essentially quiet true and 'do able'.
I know! Instead of getting money for what we all DO anyway- we could DO what we DO already, and forget the money system.
We could grow food and build houses and highways and everything else and as a bonus get to enjoy it all for free!
Right now we pay to DO.
Then I would imagine that we would find out what no longer fits into the new free system, and delete it from our program, and anyone who had been DOING anything which supported the governance of the money system - well they could be given something else to DO.
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What I was saying was something that intelligent human life forms could adapt to.
It is definitely in our shared realm of possibility, and that is not a false claim either!
We could remove the 'tool' of money from its insertion into our nature...to be fair, other animals, while they have their 'ways' also move within accordance with Nature.
They might not 'farm' but they don't slaughter to extinction the animals they eat, or even the animals they 'don't like' or don't get on with.
They survive without money, as naturally as, proving that we too, as part of 'Nature' are capable of the same.
We are more than just apes, are we not?
Quote"False Claims" = "Lies"
No. That equivalency simply is not so.
Quote"Work out OUR own issues" as in "We are all in this together".
You reply that this is a false claim.
No I didn't. I did not reply to those statements at all.
Quotejust pick one and together we can uncover the false claims
The American Revolutionary War. But do not bother with uncovering irrelevant 'false claims'. I did not say no false claims were made. Just that the war was not a lie. It was an honest power play.
QuoteNo boarders.
Thus, what was once 'truth' is proven to be false claims, in hindsight.
I think the landlord's problems and your complete scattergun reply are totally irrelevant .
I don't think I can reply to further misreading and misrepresentation on your part. I do not have the stomach for it.
Have a nice day :-)
Quote from: Rudolph on May 27, 2011, 19:45:56
Real science has said and continues to say that we are heading into another ice age. In 5000 years half the planet will be under permafrost.
Rudolph, it's hard to take you seriously with a statement like that. Permafrost is the surface layer of SOIL that stays frozen year round in arctic regions. The only thing "under permafrost" is the somewhat warmer earth a few feet down.
We're not going to buried under permafrost. Under a glacier, maybe.
sorry... I was a little too glib there.
ALL of Canada will be under a glacier. How's that?
:wink:
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 28, 2011, 03:17:50
I heard somewhere that those who control oil supply have an insiders joke.
They are more concerned about running out of oxygen to burn the stuff.
Hey Will, I thought of that one first! :|
I started the Facebook page, "You'll Care About CO2 When all the Oxygen is Gone"...
Here's the link:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=359963394865
Unfortunately nobody cares so it's going to be archived. Here's a news article, however:
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/O2DroppingFasterThanCO2Rising.php
I just joined it, just to 'fight the man'. Or something. :lol:
I don't think I can reply to further misreading and misrepresentation on your part. I do not have the stomach for it.
I hope you stomach improves.
the war was not a lie
Wars are the production of liars. There is no - easy on the stomach - way to rephrase this truth.
your complete scattergun reply
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I had to *search the net* to find out what a 'scattergun' is! Wow, a weapon for war!
So you claim that I am behaving in a war-like fashion, and worse, that I use my words as weapons in an indiscriminate manner.
Admittedly I am in some estimates, an uncouth personality, so I will try to beat my scattergun into a trowel, a useful tool for discriminately digging around.
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It was an honest power play.
Honestly? An agreement betwixt gentle men?
No I didn't. I did not reply to those statements at all.
Okay – my honest mistake. Perhaps you were sweeping while I was scattering.
I am not sure what your point is. My comment was there is no sense in destroying the world economy out of fear generated by a big lie.
I have thought more on this aspect of 'world' and 'economy' and have reached the conclusion (at the moment) that if a system of controlling influence over the affairs of human beings is so vulnerable as to be destroyed by the mere whim of human fear manipulated by gossip and rumor, then it is a weak and useless system.
Weak for its vulnerability.
Useless for its ability to serve the humanity it hasn't realised it cannot really control
That is the strength of all things built on Illusions.
I may be wrong... But I think saying your reply was "scattergun" means "all over the place"
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Quote from: SomeRandom on June 06, 2011, 01:34:30
I may be wrong... But I think saying your reply was "scattergun" means "all over the place"
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Of course, that is what it means.
all over the place
The thing that has been all over the place are the deceptive illusions. This is changing.