How do you tell the diffrence between lucid dreams and astra projections?
because alot of my projections are like lucid dreams and alot of my lucid dreams are like projections.
usally i have false awakenings then sometimes i get vibrations in them. i usally associate the vinbrations not with obe or lucid dreaming but with becomming conscious.
in which case when i get vibrations in false awakenings am i becoming conscious in my dream making it a lucid dream or i am really projecting cause no matter if its lucid or projection i seem to seperate from whatever body i was curently in wether that was dream or energy or w/e
also when i do project from an awkening i feel really disorientated is there anything to help that.
i gotta admit seperating when in a dream is a million times easier
please help
thanks
Fourthdimension,
it is often said that lucid dreams feel a lot more virtual and astral experiences a lot more actual and that by this, the experienced projector can distinguish between them.
peace
thanks tiny so i just have to trust m gut feeling in order to interpret them?
by virual you mean more interactive and more bizzare for example if you saw a dog flying you knew it would be lucid dreaming cause dogs cant fly (unless they gre wings whilst i was asleep)
by actual do you mean it just feels like you were awake everything is in its right place
thanks tiny . peace
This is what M. vander Keere says about it.
QuoteLucid Dreams or Out-of-Body Experiences? : The Endless Debate
Was my lucid dream an out of body experience? Or was my out of body experience really a lucid dream?This is an endless debate that continually rears its head in many lucid dreaming circles. By definition, an out of body experience is an experience in which you leave your physical body and are able to maintainfull consciousness. While lacking a physical body you usually do possess some form of "out-of-body"body whether it is termed an astral body, your double, or your dreaming body. In some cases you can even exist as a single point of awareness, but even when your perspective is coming from one localized focal point, you are still operating without your physical body. According to this loose definition, a lucid dream would fit into the category of an out of body experience because you have projected your awareness out of your physical body and into a conscious dream. However, even though lucid dreams fit into this category by definition that does not necessarily mean that out of body experiences are lucid dreams. It gets a little more complicated than just heaping the two experiences together because they have several subjective differences.I have experienced both lucid dreams and out-of-body experiences and believe that they are separate but related phenomenon. It is all a matter of how you choose to view it, much like the "observer effect". Ibelieve that the determining characteristic is how you perceive the experience at the time that it is occurring. For example, if you become lucid in a dream, you would be thinking, "Wow, I am in a lucid dream!". When you find yourself in the full-blown vibrational state associated with sleep paralysis and then you feel yourself lifting out of yourself, it's safe to conclude that you will be thinking, "WOW! I am having an out-of-body experience!". The problem is that all these experiences are not clear cut and some have overlapping qualities. Whenever anyone asks me to determine if their experience was a lucid dream or an //out-of-body experience, I usually respond by asking them how they perceived it at the time.There seems to be endless debate over what was this and what was that. Many people are so thoroughly caught up in the labeling and the semantics that they lose sight of the most important thing, the experience itself. From my experience I have concluded that they are definitely two different experiences, but they are extremely related. I liken the differences as being similar to the differences between salmon and mackerel. They are both fish, but they also possess their own specific qualities. Now if we were to compare beef to fish there would be much more difference but still there would be many similar properties. With this in mind we could view our waking "reality" as the beef and our dreaming"reality" as the fish. The out of body experiences and the lucid dreams are just different versions of the fish. Enough with the food analogy, but hopefully that line of reasoning helps you get a better picture of how our different states of consciousness are related and interwoven, yet each state can exhibit its own subtle nuances that account for the subjective differences.
I can give you the link of the ebook if you want it.
Hope this helps. :-)
yes please the link to the e book would be great and this helped alot timadra i guess i am one of those people that lable too much
the first thing i do when i project or lucid is say "what is this lucid dream or projection?"
i did that last night and in the article above it says "if the person was having a lucid dream he would be like wow am having a lucid dream"
mine was totally oppsoite i got lucid asked the question and was like "oh sh** this is a lucid dream. i want to project damn you haha"
one last thing i et vibrations when i have lucid dreams too is that normal when lucid dreaming?
thanks
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11791351/Lucid-Dreaming-Manual-M-Van-de-Keere (http://www.scribd.com/doc/11791351/Lucid-Dreaming-Manual-M-Van-de-Keere)
You'll find the piece on page 98 till 103.
When you have vibrations during a lucid dream you have a great opportunity to project at that moment. I once meditated in a lucid dream and got vibrations immediately, but they were so intense that I stopped. Now I use the method that is also in this book, changing my perception from lucid dream into an OBE. So if you have the need to lable, lable your
LD's as OBE's and there you go! :-D
One of my OBE's came about from a LD.
I remember being out infront of my parents house... which was a pure Lucid Dream at the time.
Then I remember thinking about OBEs and felt the shift and was back in my room staring at my bed and the impression of my body lying there.
i had that last night xanth i thought i was starring at my body but it turns out i seperated from my dream body or something and thats what i was starring at lol
thanks for the book timandra i ll keep you posted on my experiences and thanks for the advice