Hello! John Cletus here ( A.K.A Mikel105 ) . Well to start off.. I've been interested in Astral Projection since I was about 12. I'm 16 now. I've attempted it many times, Never really getting anything except Sleep Paralysis and Lucid Dreams. I suppose I've never really been dedicated enough to do something I care so much about. When I was younger I was really interested in it but I never got the chance to fully attempt every night ( Due to never having enough time ). Until 16, I recently had one projection ( Or so I assume ). I woke up in the morning and quickly held still, thinking in my mind " If I hold still I can get sleep paralysis and project! " . As I vibrated and went through the stages of sleep paralysis, I finally tried moving my arm, I can't really explain it but I saw some sort of arm come out of my arm that I could move. Besides all this, I just need some advice and have some questions. Now since about 14, I could never project, so I got really interested in drugs. As I grew older I got extremely interested in drug use. Now, Astral pulse, First I guess I'll try and name every drug I've done from 14 - 16. My questions are pretty simple after I name them, So here we go:
Drug use 14-16.
1. Marijuana ( Heavily/Daily )
2. Cigarettes ( Nearly Daily/ Heavily )
3. K-2/Synthetic cannabis ( Roughly 17 - 18 times, smoked )
4. Dramamine/ Dimenhydramine ( 3 times )
5. Alcohol ( Almost daily now, Abused many times through 14 - 16 )
6. Cocaine ( Used once )
7. Morphine ( Roughly 3 times )
8. Ambien ( Used once in heavy amounts )
9. Hydrocodone ( Used about 5 times )
10. Codeine ( Used once in heavy amounts and also dipped cigarettes in )
11. DXM/Cough Syrup ( Used many times 14 - 16 )
12. DMT ( Smoked a few times )
13. Amphetamines ( Concerta, Aderall, Vyvanse...e.t.c) ( Used heavily 14-15 )
14. LSD ( Used 15 - 16, heavily )
15. Research chemicals similar to LSD ( Used heavily 16 )
16. LSA ( Used Once )
17. Nitrous oxide ( Two Whippets )
18. Zanex ( Used 7 times )
19. Klonopins ( Used once )
20. Suboxone ( Used about 4 times )
I'm sure there's a few more but that's all I can think of. This isn't to " Show off " the drugs I've done, or brag. This is to receive serious help that is in need. Currently I'm drinking every day and smoking cigarettes, and doing LSD every 4 - 6 days. I always tell myself, " Well hey, if I know how to project I won't need to do drugs . " But I've never dedicated time to it. So for now, the questions are:
If known, have any of the drugs I've done affected my ability to Astral Project permanently?
Temporarily?
Will I ever be able to Astral Project normally after having done all that?
Is there any way I can dedicate myself to projection and not drugs, Through a program or something? ( I now have all the time I need to practice, and even though I've researched projection for years I've never really found a Starting Point. Somewhere to begin and actually dedicate myself and some time to projection. )
Are any of these drugs beneficial or helpful towards projection?
Besides binaural beats and what not, Any advice towards projection/ tips will be greatly appreciated.
Again, I'm not trying to get you to help my life or do anything that is too detouring from your time, I just really need some advice and need to get up off my butt and actually dedicate some time towards something I've always really wanted to achieve, but never dedicated time to. It's always " Oh I've got years, I'm sure if I barely try one day it will happen to me! " . Whelp, That's about it. Any help would be greatly appreciated, As I'm really in a bad position in my life. Thanks again everyone!
- John ' Pinback ' Cletus
( Apologies if this is in the wrong board )
You've tried all the bad stuff and now you know it didn't really do any good.
How about trying the stuff that really works?
Yep, thats good.
A detox might be a start. Some of those things, yuk, in your list can stay inside you for over a year.
They are downers, this effect is enough to make you feel like saying, "aahh forget it".
You're here and that's a big step.
Notice no boring lectures..
Stay off the stuff in your list, tobacco and an occasional drink is ok, so the rest can go. That.should.clear your 'need' for more. I'd also suggest 2 litres of water each day too. Yep boring but stick some flavours in it. This does two things, it gets your head thinking in the right direction and clears the junk your body doesn't need. A week or two and you'll see a big difference.
Once this.has.been done and you feel better inside, the getting out part will be easier. You've almost made it out but didn't recognise it. A clear mind and a recogniseable situation is all thats needed.
Give it a go and then the rest will obvious soon enough.
Wow.. it reads like the index page on Erowid.com. :lol:
Szaxx is spot on there.
"If known, have any of the drugs I've done affected my ability to Astral Project permanently?"
I very much doubt it. I've abused myself over the years. I've found that specific ones effect it at the time... but not in the long run. So 'Temporarily?' Yes.
Also.. you are still young... if you have caused any 'mis-wiring' then it will rectify itself anyway.
'Are any of these drugs beneficial or helpful towards projection?'
Not really. They are handy in pointing out alternative realities but that's where the book stops. They just don't cut the mustard compared to the real thing... and this is from experience. :)
Don't worry about the helping with your 'life' thing or taking up time. It's actually 50% of the reason I do it.. is to help people and their ensuing 'life'. Comes with the territory.
It looks like you have your head screwed on tightly - regardless of what you might think - so you have the right 'mind set'.
If you want to learn it I suggest you quit drinking around the time of practice.
QuoteWow.. it reads like the index page on Erowid.com.
I thought I was reading the River Phoenix toxicology report.
First, stop all that stuff and admit to yourself that you weren't using because you couldn't AP.
Even if you were successful under the influence of most of that stuff you would never remember it anyway.
Next, tell us what techniques you have tried or are currently trying. We can work from that.
You are at at a good age to learn how to AP and I believe it will help you put a lot of that stuff behind you.
Its best to have an o.b.e. with out the drugs. They tend to distort your perception , I dont think you could ever trust your experence. To any one using any kind of drug know what you are doing . I have heard that ketamine will give you an o.b.e. feeling , but that could be just a side effect from the drug . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine
Well said Szaxx,
Yea mate, Thats enough with the drugs, Youv done them now. Its a phase, I no iv done my fair share.
No need to continue experimenting, It wont get any better, It will continue to waste your money and
will not help you toward anything, Its more just a crappy life lesson in itself.
My advice would be, Time for a health kick! Im dead serious! No need to go overboard but a start is increasing your water intake as Szaxx said.
What you want is to be clear minded, Unfortunately its one of the nicest natural drugs but the mary jane is actually quite bad for fogging up the head.. So is the booze.
I would suggest thinking toward your body as more of.. Not a temple, Just to realise its very important :) The human body LOVES being treated well. It thrives, And in return it WILL return the favour ! Do you see what I'm getting at ?
Quote from: mikel105 on August 09, 2013, 05:40:36
If known, have any of the drugs I've done affected my ability to Astral Project permanently?
No. From reading what you have wrote you seem perfectly fine, If i was reading this thinking, MAN, This guy is deep fried chicken..! Then maybe i would give a alternate answer.
Quote from: mikel105 on August 09, 2013, 05:40:36
Temporarily?
Yes, Again this is just my opinion... Many of the drugs you listed will temporarily affect you, With projection attempts, Being clear minded/focused, Being able to fully relax, You may find it hard to lay down relax and shut off, Random thoughts constantly coming and going as if they are not even your own. These are just a few examples. But really with the correct actions and a good outlook its just a minor obstacle.
Stay clear of them, Start feeding the body what it
really wants, Youl soon ring out all that crap like a wet towel and start absorbing fresh positive energy.
Quote from: mikel105 on August 09, 2013, 05:40:36
Will I ever be able to Astral Project normally after having done all that?
Yea mate youl be sweet :) Just
really try hard to quit the drugs, Particularly the mind altering and melting ones (e.g, Acid, Ice, Meth, Pcp, Shrooms) and you will be right as rain. Really just stop them all, Theres so much more to life than drugs, And astral projection is just one of the great rewards.
Once your feeding the body correctly you will see clearly, You will realise how stupid it is to take drugs, And how great it is to just know what you want to do, And how to go about things correctly. Youl feel smarter, Its a boost in positive energy.
This is when you will start to feel really dedicated to your projection attempts, Relaxing yourself and getting to a deep state will become easier and easier. Then before you no it, Your out of body.
Quote from: mikel105 on August 09, 2013, 05:40:36
Is there any way I can dedicate myself to projection and not drugs, Through a program or something? ( I now have all the time I need to practice, and even though I've researched projection for years I've never really found a Starting Point. Somewhere to begin and actually dedicate myself and some time to projection. )
Are any of these drugs beneficial or helpful towards projection?
Not really, For me, Shrooms made me realise that i didn't want to take drugs anymore & didnt want to alter my reality because its perfect how it is.
I didn't need to take drugs to explore my consciousness deeper, After being lost and i mean Like
LOST in my own head for about 7 hours and not knowing if i would return, I realised how much i ABSOLUTELY LOVED being straight and clear minded, (in control of my own thoughts, Grounded)
So thats that, Dmt is a stand out, But Like Bedeekin says It just shows you what else it out there, But that didn't help me toward actual projection. What i'v been saying about health and a clear mind has.
Take on the advice, It will be worth it. :wink:
Cheers.
Wow dude, you have experimented with so much already at such a young age. I've had my fun in the past as well, but I eventually realized that all that stuff may seem like a good time in the moment, but it really pollutes your mind, body and soul.
I hope you are able to achieve your goal of experiencing a AP! Good luck!
I almost hate to make a joke about it but from the likes of this one, if we ever see him again, it will most likely be his home in the astral.
Hello again everyone! I just want to thank you all for the helpful advice. I wish I would have seen it 2 years ago :/. Sadly enough that list has significantly increased in size, if not doubled. But that doesn't matter, the will is still here and strong! I'm going to try to stay alot more active on the forums before I join the airforce, most of my friends that I did the ' Projection harming ' substances with are in jail, rehab, or dead. I've stopped smoking marijuana completely, from being a daily user. I quit smoking cigarettes aswell although I still smoke nicotine ejuices from a re-buildable mod. I still drink, moderately heavily as i'm in a bit of a dark place in life. But after reading your advice I know this forum will help greatly. It's Hello again. I just want to thank you all for the helpful advice. I wish I would have seen it 2 years ago :/. Sadly enough that list has significantly increased in size, if not doubled. But that doesn't matter, the will is still here and strong! I'm going to try to stay alot motlre active on the forums before I join the airforce, most of my friends that I did the ' Projection harming ' substances with are in jail, rehab, or dead. I've stopped smoking marijuana completely, from being a daily user. I quit cigarettes aswell although I still smoke nicotine ejuices from a re_buildable to see new faces, and I hope to learn more and more each day i'm on. I'm here to stay this time. :-D