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Astral Chat => Welcome to Astral Chat! => Topic started by: CFTraveler on February 08, 2011, 15:33:58

Title: If you live in the US...
Post by: CFTraveler on February 08, 2011, 15:33:58
Say goodbye to organics.  In fact say goodbye to any rights you may have thought you had to choose non-GMO.:
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_22449.cfm

Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: kailaurius on February 08, 2011, 17:30:50
Community.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxiLUEgN6vQ
Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: Stillwater on February 09, 2011, 01:27:12
MONSANTO.

That is all that needed to be said.

Pretty sure Monsanto is one of the four horsemen... not sure if it is Famine or pestilence though. Maybe it could be both?
Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: CFTraveler on February 09, 2011, 09:50:49
Famine through Pestilence.  Two in one.
Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: Stookie on February 09, 2011, 12:08:24
If my cashews lose their crispness, I'm moving to another country.
Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: CFTraveler on February 09, 2011, 21:14:08
No.  I refuse to give up.
Here is a shopping guide for non GMO foods.  The only way to fight it is to not buy it-even by accident.
http://nongmoshoppingguide.com/download.html
Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: Lexy on February 10, 2011, 00:50:11
outrageous!
Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: Stookie on February 11, 2011, 11:27:05
Quote from: CFTraveler on February 09, 2011, 21:14:08
No.  I refuse to give up.
Here is a shopping guide for non GMO foods.  The only way to fight it is to not buy it-even by accident.
http://nongmoshoppingguide.com/download.html

While I do get some organic things, it seems impossible (for me) to only buy those foods. Where I live there isn't a huge selection. Not even a Whole Foods in my area and I've never seen any of those brands on the shelf at any of my regular grocery stores. I guess what I'm saying is, I really wish it were possible, but I'm stuck in the system like a lot of other people. What to do?
Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: CFTraveler on February 11, 2011, 11:45:22
I believe I read that even Whole Foods is compromised, but I can't remember where.  Somewhere along the lines of Monsanto Execs having a personal relationship with the WF CEO or CFO.
So it's moot according to 'natural' or 'whole', organics (or local gardeners) are the way to go.
Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: CFTraveler on February 11, 2011, 11:46:20
Quote from: Stookie on February 11, 2011, 11:27:05
While I do get some organic things, it seems impossible (for me) to only buy those foods. Where I live there isn't a huge selection. Not even a Whole Foods in my area and I've never seen any of those brands on the shelf at any of my regular grocery stores. I guess what I'm saying is, I really wish it were possible, but I'm stuck in the system like a lot of other people. What to do?
Complain to the people in charge, send letters to the USDA asking them not to allow planting GMO right next to regular crops.
Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: personalreality on February 11, 2011, 13:34:33
You will still be able to grow your own food and buy from private retailers.  these bills are to try and stop farmers markets and that kind of thing.  from what i've read, local markets and that kind of thing will still sell organics.

but the problem is that this is just the first step. 

someone posted something on my facebook the other day about people in India or something burning the GMO seeds that were given to them by their government or something like that.  i thought it was pretty funny.  "we'd rather starve than eat your frankenfood",  nice.
Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: CFTraveler on February 11, 2011, 18:55:50
The only thing I can grow in my backyard is tomatoes, peppers, and lettuce in the dead of winter.  And basil and oregano.
Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: personalreality on February 12, 2011, 10:13:45
i can't really grow anything.  i live in the middle of a city.  i have no dirt in which to grow something.  i could have an herb garden in the house, maybe even a tomato plant, but nothing near a sustainable garden that i could survive off of.
Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: kailaurius on February 12, 2011, 10:57:41
Quote from: personalreality on February 12, 2011, 10:13:45
i can't really grow anything.  i live in the middle of a city.  i have no dirt in which to grow something.  i could have an herb garden in the house, maybe even a tomato plant, but nothing near a sustainable garden that i could survive off of.

This is just one of many reasons where Community becomes critically important.  Individuals who don't have land and want to grow their own food could participate in community gardens.  The community normally utilizes plots of land at places such as school yards, local parks, local farmer's markets, someone's farm (where in some cases even the farmer will even deliver the food to you), or people who have land at their home who enjoy sharing their land for community gardening or yard sharing.  These are just a few examples.  The added benefit to community gardening is bringing people together to interact with each other and helping each other.
Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: Stillwater on February 13, 2011, 05:52:52
Yeah, but even then, it is tough to get by without something processed in your diet. I mean you can grow tomatoes and lettuce, but what about the wrap you put them in, or the pasta in your stir fry, or the potatoes  you can't grow yourself, etc.

It is beyond the means of normal people to sustain their own diets without revolving their entire lifestyle around it, and even then, you cannot grow your full dietary complement.

The only way this can be resolved is legislatively, and we are heading in the exact opposite direction.

Our country is making people helpless, in yet another way.
Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: Stookie on February 14, 2011, 11:39:42
I thought about this thread when I shopped this weekend. But the only organic things I bought were banannas, cashews, cereal, & hemp milk, because that's all they got that's organic. I considered the "natural" cashews and then thought, "What would CFTraveller do". :D

I've got some letters to write.
Title: Re: If you live in the US...
Post by: CFTraveler on February 14, 2011, 15:20:04
"WWCTD"  Sounds dirty.