Terence Mckenna - Schizophrenic or Shamanic

[grzazek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEglHjd_gUQ

I would just liek to share this video as it really hits home with me.

Personally I struggle with the idea of what life is, the prison system in which we live. Nothing would make me happier than to be able to break free, take as many bonking drugs as I want without being a burden to society. But unfortunately it's not possible because such actions would upset my family and I'm not that selfish.

[TofuAttack]

what if your idea of a family is a part of the "prison system"

[grzazek]

thats just it we have no choice. every family is part of the prison system

[ingerul9]

thats just it we have no choice. every family is part of the prison system

You have the choice of choosing to see that you have no choice. Isn't that a choice?

[grzazek]

You have the choice of choosing to see that you have no choice. Isn't that a choice?

wow.... just, wow..

[blis]

Couldnt listen to any more than half of it. The background noise was freaking me out; dogs barking, cows mooing, children chanting, african tribal music and all the while him going on in that freaky intense voice like he's trying to brainwash me.

It seems relevant to mention that it was acid and weed that made me this easily freaked out.

I totally get where you're coming from with the family thing. Thats why I dont ever want kinds or strong attachments.

[Stookie]

Nothing would make me happier than to be able to break free, take as many bonking drugs as I want without being a burden to society.

I don't understand the connection of being a drug addict with "breaking free". There's NO freedom at all when under the control of drugs.

[personalreality]

Hahahaha.  I love Terence mckenna.

They say he tried to evolve his brain with DMT.  Interestingly he died of a brain tumor.

[grzazek]

I don't understand the connection of being a drug addict with "breaking free". There's NO freedom at all when under the control of drugs.

The connection is purely personal. Its something I want to do, but can't, I have to conform to societys standards, mortgage career etc. It's gonna be different for every person.

[Xanth]

The connection is purely personal. Its something I want to do, but can't, I have to conform to societys standards, mortgage career etc. It's gonna be different for every person.

Are you trying to say that you can't be a drug addict because society doesn't want you to?
I'm kind of with Stookie, I don't quite get what you're trying to say.

As he said, there's NEVER any good that comes out of drugs.

[blis]

You're not really missing much, trust me.

Drugs seem exciting at first just because they're so different from the natural state of consciousness that we're used to but they get old really fast and you realise they're just draining the life out of you and arent actually enjoyable at all. But by that time you're stuck with them for at least a while, maybe a long while or maybe forever.

[Stookie]

...I have to conform to societys standards, mortgage career etc...

Right there you put the limitations on yourself. It's because people believe that, that society is the way it is. "I want to live out my dreams, but society says I have to own a home and have a boring career." It's an excuse so that you don't have to worry about failing, letting the "system" take care of you. If you want to really live, you have to get out of your safety zone and take some risks. And I'm not talking drugs, that's another excuse that makes failure feel OK.

[personalreality]

As he said, there's NEVER any good that comes out of drugs.

Quite wrong sir.  I learned a great many very good things through addiction. 

AND it inspired me to really turn my critical eye on myself. 

Plus, getting sober took motivation that i just never was able to muster in the past.  Now I have been able to learn the discipline that comes with motivation, learning to create motivation.

[Xanth]

Quite wrong sir.  I learned a great many very good things through addiction. 

AND it inspired me to really turn my critical eye on myself. 

Plus, getting sober took motivation that i just never was able to muster in the past.  Now I have been able to learn the discipline that comes with motivation, learning to create motivation.

Quite the hard road you took, but yeah... I stand corrected. 
Something good DID come out of drugs for you. 

[personalreality]

You're right too in a way.

The actual use of drugs wasn't terribly helpful (though i did learn some things about detachment while using).  It was the process of getting clean that helped.  It's that do or die kind of situation.  Get sober or eventually spend time in prison or wind up dead.  Really forces you to evaluate your life you know?

[aquaman211]

Terence Mckenna is about to save my love life.  He is both a schizo and a shaman.

my love game requires Timewave Zero to be real in order to work.  it's working, and as we get closer to 2012 my subjects seem to fall right into my lap.  i am always catching girls who are in love with me at the right place at the right time, which only feeds this fantasy figure i've created, this projection of my higher self.  it's annoying because i created this competition for my heart all to entertain the the only girl i actually want to sleep with and make my girlfriend but she thinks i'm crazy right now which sucks but true love wins out in the end so i'm sticking with it.  i refuse to sleep with anyone but her until this plays out.  things have been very interesting for me since the november 14th (or 22nd) drop off point.

[Taoistguy]

What's this drop off point thing?

[aquaman211]

What's this drop off point thing?

think about this:  everything about life is becoming so predictable.  corporations shell out millions per year to try to pick up on our habits, things like pandora radio can play music non stop that you would like, google knows your questions before you've finished typing it out.  this is the information age.  the weird part is that we're also on the brink of the age of aquarius, whose tagline is "i know", and are the most unpredictable creatures.  they love shock value.  such is why it's a paradox that things would be rushing towards predictability, while at the same time there's a theory going on that the unpredictable of life is increasing at similar rates.

the unpredictable of life being the irrational, the unseen world becoming more real.  our dreams.  on a macrocosmic scale, while things are making less sense in science (quantum physics), things are makings more sense in the metaphysical world to people (astrology will be common knowledge by the time i have kids).  aquarius happens to be the sign of the paradox.

the way i interpret it, as that chart gets closer to reaching the zero point in 2012, our predictable lives will increasingly become predictably unpredictably awesome.  there are about 2 more major drop off points left before december 21st, 2012, and when it hits zero, the impossible starts happening all the time.

[Taoistguy]

That made no sense and I still don't know what a drop off point is. Try answering the question.