Keys to Reality, I need your help

[Steel Hawk]

[ I just started writing the following at random in notepad and need help in flushing it out, if anyone is up to the challenge and can make any sense to this ]

If God taught man speach, he made our vocabulary a trap.

Why can't I get my mind around this? Some type of wall.

Because everything is a thought if no thoughtforms were "there" to experience it then the thought would cease to exist.

If God is a collection of thoughtforms that can act as one, perhaps in the begining God imagined the world and universe as it is.

Only one thoughtform at a time would need to exist in the thought creation at any one time.

While it's true that it does not exist when it is not being thought about at any time one thoughtform of God could recreate the thought creation by talking to the other thoughtforms and merging their experiences.

When thoughtforms return to God or the collective their individual experiences are implanted as a possiblity into the thought creation.

So actual existence is being solidified by whatever thoughtform / part of God is currently experiencing it. This doesn't mean to say that experiences between individuals cannot happen at the same time, but that it can be either way.

Billions of thought forms could be remembering the same existence from the last upload all interacting with eachother simulataneously.

So what happens if one of the thought forms lower self wants to change part of the experience?

It exerts it's will and imagination (the orginally creation tool) into the existing thoughtcreation to such a degree that it can override the others memory of the experience.

So this means if one thoughtform wants to turn the sky purple instead of blue he would need to exert the will more so than any other that the sky was indeed purple. This would be a very hard thing to do since the majority of the other thoughtforms throughout existence remember the sky as blue.

It should be noted you would have to convience the higher selves not the lower selves.

So reality is then the collective experience of all the combined thoughtforms together and perhaps imagination is the individuals sandbox not being co-creatively created and shared by the others which are all ultimately from the same source?

And that's why it's hard to change reality?

Well you can think of it as a collective game. Imagine you linked the minds of 20 people and the all shared the same imagination. At after various fantasies and time had passed the majority (out of pure necessity for progress) would come to a fixed set of rules so that they could all enjoy and create in the fantasy.

For everyones individual fantasy effects the others, no one indivdual would be allowed to ruin this particular game. So if one person was allowed to fly in the fantasy everyone would then be allowed to. If this wasn't part of the majority's will it wouldn't happen.

By majority's will I don't mean the amount of people, but the entire willpower of the driving force. If one individual had more willpower and focus than all the others about one thing they could then bend reality at least for a short time.

But eventually it would return to the steady strong ocean like reality that the group majority was acustom to. The single individual would have to find another game or play by himself if he wanted long term changes.

[Stookie]

That's the reason I think "psi" stuff, while maybe possible, to be a waste of time and energy. It may be possible to bend the laws of the physical to your will, but you'll be fighting against the current of all the beings that hold this reality together, and that's gotta be one heck of a current.

It also makes me think of the movie "Dark City", where the aliens stop the world every night and implant new memories and lives into everyone to study human emotions & reactions. Awesome flick.

[NoY]

I think that both of your perspectives are abit flawed.

Try to think of 100,000 versions of yourself all doing a slightly different version of the same task.
with 6 other universes in your trend making up the seven primary chackras. the absence of a thing would on ballance cause it to become. its just raw binary at the end of the day. if a collective does not want you to do a thing on ballance an equel number of universes would support your will.

the only real obstical you ever had was your spirit the active force against you but again there are the realitys where you support the spirit and so get to do the thing you want to do.

The real challange is proving that you deserve it more than the other you but the problem is the end of the road is different its about focus. as an extream you may decide to swap with a parralel but then die afterwards because that was always how that story was going to end in that version. its just math at the end of the day plus minus reactions ballanced out over the verses but you seem to be thinking on a line and not as a frequency.

if you was to look sideways down the long line of versions of yourself eventually when the frequency had changed enough it would be someone else

if you have 99 on yourside and the spirit is 100 its a 50/50 match but the problem is you dont rule your 99 pals and the math wins because the spirits 100 is perfect union of what ever is.

or to say it another way because you care its more like 199/1 the universe dosent care even if it did because it did half would not its just spazing out for all time in all directions with every concieverbal reality. its only you who think your special thats your version but what about the 100.000.000.000 g-gillen realitys where your nothing? do you see my point. 199 people dident vote for you they voted for the system of what ever they can get and you just like them vote for yourself. all of you are voting for the system of self

also if i ask you to do somthing your doing my will and so its not your will its mine, the only way anybody can truly express there will or an opinon or an ounce of personality is to say no. No is quite litruly the only way you can exist at all and whats worse is its made erelivent by the version of you that says yes

it seems like an ordered reality but its just one, if its brothers are g-gilliense of really warped realitys its not ordered and stable its just a version and you sympatetically resonate with this trend

:NoY:

[Stookie]

Very interesting. My brain is making a "whirring" sound right now...

[Steel Hawk]

Try to think of 100,000 versions of yourself all doing a slightly different version of the same task.

Okay first why would this ego "me" as I am exist in multiple realities, and if so why would it be doing the same thing?

...with 6 other universes in your trend making up the seven primary chackras.

Huh?

the absence of a thing would on ballance cause it to become. its just raw binary at the end of the day.

Huh?

if a collective does not want you to do a thing on ballance an equel number of universes would support your will.

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that I "me" this little ego that is responding to your message exists throughout several different realities? What would be the point to that?

And that some how all the "me's" have the same will?

I don't really follow that...

there are the realitys where you support the spirit and so get to do the thing you want to do.

Huh? And where do you get this from...

The real challange is proving that you deserve it more than the other you but the problem is the end of the road is different its about focus.

What does deserving something have to do with getting something?

as an extream you may decide to swap with a parralel but then die afterwards because that was always how that story was going to end in that version. its just math at the end of the day plus minus reactions ballanced out over the verses but you seem to be thinking on a line and not as a frequency.

if you was to look sideways down the long line of versions of yourself eventually when the frequency had changed enough it would be someone else

if you have 99 on yourside and the spirit........ snip .........

Huh?

it seems like an ordered reality but its just one, if its brothers are g-gilliense of really warped realitys its not ordered and stable its just a version and you sympatetically resonate with this trend

g-gilliense? Are you just making up words now? I know I sound a little insane sometimes, perhaps I should re word my previous thoughts...

[Steel Hawk]

Okee... let me reword this little theory

Thoughtform: Intelligent Spirit Being (Could mean you, me, ghosts, things people imagine like Mickey Mouse, and yes even Mickey Mouse may be an intelligent spirit being as it is now. Find the book Magickal Thoughtforms and their Creation if you want more info on the Mickey Mouse thing)

Thoughtcreation: Anything created by thought via imagination the creative force of all things. For example, if you create a sword while projecting it's a Thoughtcreation. I'd also consider the World, the Universe, our physical bodies all as Thoughtcreations as this lower physical reality I assume was created from above -- via a Thoughtform creating it.

God: Whomever, whoever, whatever force. This may be the God from any religion, it may be a non-sentient force, or perhaps it is us, it doesn't matter for this theory at the moment.

Presumptions.

1. God (whatever that may be) existed at least for a moment before physical reality existed.

Perhaps it was for flash of a second, thousands of years, millions of years, anyway time is relative to physical reality so it doesn't matter and can't be measured.

2. The basis for physical reality was created by God.

This just means that the laws of physical reality were created, billions upon billions of years ago. This is time and space, attraction and repulsion, heat and cold, energy and matter, etc.

3. Physical Reality originated in thought and was created by a thought, and therefore is a thoughtcreation.

[Steel Hawk]

Imagination is the creative force of the universe.

The word "imagination" seems to be avoided when possible metaphysical discussions. Instead it's replaced with visualize or envision. For example: You project and see a dark being, you visualize and flaming sword in your right hand and defend yourself. Isn't that all based in your imagination?

To some degree doesn't everything we create come from our imagination? Especially at the physical level. People create pictures in their minds and then draw them onto paper so that they stay there. And then they use that to create actual objects. As above so below? Meaning as it is in heaven it is also as it is here.

So maybe by now I've convinced you, and even myself that imagination is more than the daydreams of a 5 year old at school. That it is somehow more powerful and important than we're lead to believe. That it was the creative force behind this physical reality and continues to be a powerful force in the next.

But one thing we know is that imagination is very dynamic and doesn't sit still -- or does it? In the astral you can create objects, at first they melt and disappear when you shift your focus away. But through repeated practice an object can become called up as it was and remain in the astral permanently. What enables it to do this?

If the above is true.... Then let's make a metaphor out of this. Say that in the astral there is an unlimited supply of energy in it around it. Ectoplasma if you will, but we'll call it AETHER for now.

This Aether has a natural state, of just being neutral, just energy, there, clean and pure. When we create a flaming astral sword we pull in the surrounding energy and focus it into what we want to be -- a flaming sword. But when we lose focus it returns to the state it is attracted to, just being neutral energy; sort of like a rubberband being stretched.

Now overtime if you left a rubberband stretched out the attraction to it's previous state would be weakened, and left in this state it would then be attracted to it.

So perhaps when we create an astral sword from Aether we naturally draw the energy that was last used to create it... Meaning we're using the same Aether/energy we used to create it the first time, each time we recreate it. This is because that energy is most attracted to the form, because it was it before.

Like attracts like, the way some here believe we are drawn to the hell or heaven that we are most attracted to. Same concept.

And to continue that energy that was molded into a sword over and over again eventually loses it's attraction to it's former natural state of pure Aether/energy. And becomes most attracted to that of a flaming astral sword.

[Steel Hawk]

Maybe we exist in energy.

Meaning, here-now in the physical we are surrounded by energy/aether and in the spiritual it is the same.

Maybe it's been like this since the beginning. Maybe that is the source, maybe it is God? That we exist inside?

So then imagination is only one part of it, you still need this energy/aether that surrounds us as fuel. Perhaps I'm made a mistake here... Is it better to say that thought + aether = imagination? As when we do imagine something it is created, as more of the end step in the process.

Anyway, the entire point of these posts is for me to try to figure out how this reality relates to the next. How the physical and spiritual intersect, maybe to further find more meaning to this existence. Moving on.

Who knows where this aether or energy comes from, let's ignore that for now and just assume there this big ball of white light that is the source of all things, that's the size of an ocean into infinity. And that this ocean is always all around us, in this life and the next. And that we have the power through imagination to use this energy to create. And that is the source of the physical world we live in today.

...So.... if I'm on the right track here then we all live in a thoughtcreation. Essentially god / or a thoughtform / or a spirit or something else took this energy/aether that surrounds all things; and then envisioned/created physical reality via imagination.

It could be very simple at first, just a few sets of laws and held in place. Eventually it could be programmed to take on a life of it's own. Like Mickey Mouse. The entire universe would be a ghost, a spirit, acting in it's programmed ways. THUS WHY WE HAVE PHYSICAL LAWS?

IS THAT THE ANSWER?

A spirit being or a ghost, known to do something over and over. Sometimes called an astral impression, or the wolf that Dion Fortune created, following it's creators original plan. Perhaps that is what the universe is.

THE UNIVERSE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A PROGRAMMED SPIRIT. A THOUGHTFORM. It's laws and rules are impressed upon it during it's creation and it grows and grows.... Like a ghost that does the same thing... Maybe I'm wrong and just into the moment of this thought, but it feels like I hit something right for the first time here....

[Steel Hawk]

And some how we've decided to share this rote... as Monroe would say... we've merged with it.. this is all happening instantly. This entire experience is a rote ball thrown at us? Yup I'm losing it now.

See here's the thing to figure out, a thoughtform / thoughtcreation is usually separate from us... I would think. but some how we EXIST in one, we are merged with this universe, this thoughtcreation, some type of strange game this all is.... I need cigarettes. Someone finish this.