is it possible to go before your time? confused

[LA FORET MAUVE]

there is no "time"...because the death is always here, we can die at any moment...wich makes every moment precious. No time to hope for angels or anything to save our arse ![] We will all die ...

[WalkerInTheWoods]

The error in this is that people view death as something final. While it is your physical body's last active moments on the Physical, it is not the end of your consciousness. You go on. You do not die. If you do not die then physical death really is meanless and thus not that big of a deal as people make it out to be. Whether I die in the next 5 minutes or 100 years from now is not really that important. I will be alive reguardless of what happens.

[Adrian]

Greetings,

Also, it is likely people know how and when they are going to "die", that is to say leave the physical body before they are even born. The next "life" in the physical is chosen according to lessons which need to be learned, karma balanced and other work which needs to be carried out. Of course, people are not aware of these choices after they have incarnated, they simply proceed with what they perceive to their "life", in fact what many believe to be an only life.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Soulfire]

Hi,

My belief is that we create for ourselves what is most useful for us as understood from a higher perspective.  Assuming you believe death is not "the end", then it is not a "bad" thing.  It is only the return to spirit, a way to see more clearly through the illusions of the ego, easier access to that "higher perspective" than we have from the physical, and a continuation of our journey.

I believe that everything that happens in our lives was created by us from this higher perspective to the greatest good as understood from this higher point of view (that our egos or "personalities" are usually completely blind to).  This includes living, dying, and everything else.  To the person who was "saved from death" by some kind of miracle, it was in that person's best interest as seen from their higher perspective to keep working here in the physical and probably also needed to be reminded how precious life is and also to be shown that there is much more to life than what is commonly perceived.  According to my belief, it was not that this person was going to die, but that they needed the experience of THINKING they could have died and the other experiences that came along with that.

That being said, I believe our choices and experiences in the "now" are what create our lives.  I do not believe in destiny, only probablilities created by the current states of energies including their "momentum" in the now.  I believe that momentum is what creates the probabilities that are projected into the future.  For example:

Maybe a girl had reached a point in her life where she was so stagnant or negative that her higher perspective understood that to continue living under those energy conditions would yield very little true value.  The higher self then creates a situation where the personality incarnated in the physical must DECIDE whether they are going to keep going the way they were headed or realize something must change.  It is my belief that it is possible for that person to make a conscious change that will then alter the situation so that it is again more beneficial for that person to continue their physical life here on earth.  If this is true, it was not fate that the person should live or die, but rather a situation that was created to force a choice.  No matter which choice was made, the higher perspective will use that to create the greatest good from that point on.  

Perhaps more specifically, I do not believe the higher self actually creates the higher good for us so much as it keeps creating for us endless OPPORTUNITIES to CHOOSE to make a decision that will create the highest good.  Then no matter what we decide, it uses the current situation that decision created to again create another set of opportunites until we ultimately find our way back to [fill in your personal belief about the state of oneness with God here].

--Soulfire

[Nayru]

I believe that the time of your death, as well as when you're born, is settled. If you are almost dying, but saved last second, I believe that it was not time for you to die yet.

[James S]

A friend of my wifes family has had experiences that tends to support the fact that we do have a time to die.

He has been clinically dead three times, from car accidents and other mishaps. Each time he has gone towards 'the white light' as it is so often described, but each time he has been stopped by a being who has simply told him "No, go back, it is not your time yet". He then recalls clearly seeing himself from above, in the hospital, doctors & nurses running around him, blood all over the place, tubes hanging out of him, and he remembers thinking, "I don't really want to go back to that." But it seems he did not have a choice.

James.

[curiousgirl]

hey, great insights everyone!  i think i'm thinking more along the lines as soulfire.  i was beginning to think about how perhaps when someone is "saved" from physical death that perhaps they weren't really gonna die, but that it was just another lesson to be learned, something to let them know that there's more out there than they think.  maybe that really is what these "rescues" are about... to simply just wake you up to a new perspective, to make you see something you weren't seeing before.

i believe that we don't actually "disappear" after physical death, that we keep going, alive in another form.  but while we're kinda stuck here in this world, it just always sucks to think that you can't really share your experiences here with a loved one anymore... they are in another world, and maybe you can contact them & see them if you have the ability, but you can't really DO things with them anymore.  all you can do is wait for your time to "die" to truly be together again.

[shadowatcher]

To answer your question, watch the movie "Jacobs Ladder". It has a great explanation to Near Death Experiances.

[shaman]

Dear Curious Girl,

may I suggestion to check the following site:

http://www.iands.org/

and click on the discussion forums, or and the NDE narratives, you will find there many testimonies of people who clinically dies and then there were told "it is not your time" and they were "pushed" back into their physical bodies and came back to life. From that it seems that mostly you die when it is your time, when you have accomplished and/or experienced what you were supposed to on this planet.

This will really answer all your questions, a very nice site indeed.

Cheers

[shaman]

Sorry, for the link above, you have to click on

IANDS messages board

then click on

NDE narratives or if you wish on Public Discussions

[curiousgirl]

ok, thanks, shaman!  []

[curiousgirl]

ok, i hope i can explain myself well with this question... ok, people are always giving stories and examples of how they were saved or warned away from death by some mysterious sign, or a guardian angel or some such thing.  at the same time, when someone actually dies from a horrible accident or something, people say "well, i guess it was his/her time to go... god has called them home," or something like that.  why do guardian angels or mysterious occurences or miracles happen to some people, and not others?  why will one person be lifted up from a fall by an invisible force, while others will be left to plummet?  hmm how can i explain this...  

so if when someone dies, it was simply "their time to go", and then if someone gets rescued by a guardian angel, does that mean that they had a close call of dying before they were supposed to die?  could there be instances when the spirits that look out for us fail in rescuing people, and people end up dying before they were supposed to?  is there really any way of knowing if someone died "before their time" or when they were scheduled to go?  or is the "it was his/her time to go" just people's lame attempts at comforting each other?  i know this is a weird question.  it's just when a loved one dies, and then there's all these stories about people being saved by mysterious forces, you tend to wonder where the dead one's guardian was.  and if it really was their time to go.