James Randy on Out Of The Body Experience

[embrace]

I just found this short video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NwKkbd2e-c) in which famous skeptic James Randy talks about his own Out of the body experience. The video is pretty interesting, because Randy admits that it actually happened to him, but his interpretation remains skeptic. He claims that many details of the surroundings while out of body did not reflect the reality. I must say it happened to me many times, too. There are other times though, in which I was sure I saw the reality just as it is. But it made me wonder: what if he's right and the times I thought I saw the real thing was a dream, too? Perhaps there were differences between what I saw while out of body and reality, but I just didn't realize it?

What do you think?

[Justin_my_mind]

Good video. It just goes to show how powerful a belief can be and how being skeptical but not open-minded is like surrounding our feet in concrete - curtailing any forward progress.

In my experience, the details are never completely accurate. The "non-physical" version of the "physical" is an approximation and likely the result of the available (or relevant) data and our expectations. Randy's error is in assuming that the state in which his experience took place has to be objective to be real. Real, in my interpretation, has more to do with the level of awareness and clarity than the props. Experiencing, existing, interpreting data, etc... IS real. To have experienced something, and then to deny the realness of the experience, is to deny one's own existence... well maybe not to those who believe in an objective reality.

Randy should recall that at one time the earth was obviously flat (otherwise things would fall off the bottom). Seems to me that the system was offering up an opportunity to expande his awareness. For now, he will have to continue to base "real" on the location of his cat and the color of his bed cover. 

That is my limited and humble take anyway.

[Volgerle]

what if he's right and the times I thought I saw the real thing was a dream, too? Perhaps there were differences between what I saw while out of body and reality, but I just didn't realize it?

What or who tells us (besides a close-minded and materialism-superstitious Randi) that reality fluctuations as well as dream content is "not real"? There are certainly differences to physical 'real'ity, except if you are a pro in using etheric projection or remote viewing techniques.

Remember that physical reality is only stable perhaps because your physical brain is 'tuned' in to it while in beta-waves-state, itis not stable otherwise! I'd say actually it is not stable at all. Maybe it is not even 'real'. Or at least not more or less real than astral planes, dream planes, etc.?

So don't fall into the skeptics traps please. This is what they use to discourage you. Reality fluctuations are normal. If you don't want them maybe try practice etheric projections (ask todd about this). We talked about this in several threads recently, e.g. here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/etheric_projection_and_kundalini_symptoms-t37565.0.html;msg308121#msg308121

Imv, the best explanation for reality fluctuations I found so far is the "sea shell bubble analogy" Juergen, who occasionally also posts here on this forum as MDM (*waves hand to Jürgen, if you read this*).

Allow me to quote from his interesting website regarding this topic:

"The greatest criticism Out-Of-Body travellers face from skeptics is the fact that they are unable to supply proof of their OBE excursions, for example by reading messages out of sight from physical view or information from remote locations. The reason for this becomes obvious if we look at the diagram 1 of the sea shell. The shell represents the physical body and the seabed the physical world. The air bubble represents the projected subtle energy body and the area above the sea the higher dimensional counter part. As the OBE body is composed of the energy of the higher dimension its natural attraction is towards it and it passes very quickly from one dimension to the next, like an air bubble would find the quickest way to the surface and into the air.

It is relatively rare for the energy body to remain for any length of time on the physical level. I can count on one hand the number of times I was able to look at my physical body from the outside. OBE travellers often report discomfort whilst still on the physical level or a strong pull either towards it or away from it. Sometimes this can be accompanied by confusion, blurriness, blacked-out vision or disorientation.

OBE excursion take mostly place on the first dimensional counterpart of the physical, which appears to be an exact copy, but isn't. Travellers often report slight abnormalities which they find confusing, such as the layout of their bedroom having changed, furniture being added or removed, pictures having changed etc. When asked to find information placed at a different location in order to test the authenticity of their experience they will nearly always fail to give an accurate report." - J. Ziewe



Source (pic and text): http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Mechanics_of_Out-of-body_travel.html

Also interesting, Robert Bruce's descriptions of perfectly normal RFs in the "RTZ":
http://books.google.de/books?id=PId1UeRY_TYC&pg=PA225&lpg=PA225&dq=%22reality+fluctuations%22&source=bl&ots=-uNWZOmNmS&sig=4cirqIYFtDmo8laru1BjXmTJdYM&hl=de&ei=fDISTYbEApKn8QPbrYWFBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22reality%20fluctuations%22&f=false

[desert-rat]

James Randi was kicked around some over at Pavlina forums when it was open .  The $1 mil contest is rigged there is no way to win .  I did have an idea of getting inside of his head and make him mumble incorrenherently , but that would only make people think he had had a stroke .  http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/psychic-paranormal/65529-james-randi-s-million-dollar-challenge.html  http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/fun-recreation/71525-what-james-randi-might-have-look-forward-when-he-ghost.html  http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/psychic-paranormal/66342-why-can-no-one-complete-randi-s-1mil-psychic-challenge.html   http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/psychic-paranormal/66582-ways-kick-james-randi-s-psychic.html   desert rat

[Kirkland]

Thing with Randi is that he is a closed sceptic and has spent his life getting famous by 'debunking' people. I personally am a sceptic but an open one I much rather do experiments that may give me subjective evidence rather than being negative and continually trying to disprove someone.

In fact whenever I hear anyone mention Randi all I remember is the hilarious clip of Don Lane telling him off. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIPqUJiiMwc&feature=player_embedded (at 2.19).

[zareste]

That's frickin' hilarious. He has made a fortune off scams and strawman evidence of his beliefs, but now reality is hitting him like a ton of bricks.

It's going to take a lot of delusion to convince himself that his own experiences are fake.

[Volgerle]

In fact whenever I hear anyone mention Randi all I remember is the hilarious clip of Don Lane telling him off. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIPqUJiiMwc&feature=player_embedded (at 2.19).

it's just so frustrating to read the many stupid youtube comments below it, this seems to be a randi-(kiss-a**)-disciple zone really, no open-minded person writes any comments there, bad energy emanating from that page, sometimes it makes me think that these guys are the majority, which is actually not the case, but it is frighting because these people are hooked on writing their world-view (mostly spiced with cynisism or even outright hatred) all over the place in the web, bad energy emanating, hope it is not contagious